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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:38 AM
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Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 05:58 AM by althecat

George Bush's 8 Million New Votes Found STATISTICAL ANALYSIS


By Alastair Thompson - Co-Editor http://scoop.co.nz
(exclusively so far.. on DU..)

In an earlier thread I discussed the issue of Where Did * Suddenly Get 8 Million New Voters.... To recap this is important because:

"If you think about it , had the Bush Cheney campaign really signed up 8 million odd new republican voters... wouldn't they have been telling us about it for the past six months. Yelling it on the front page of every newspaper. Somewhere in the election statistics is the answer to a simple question. Where were Bush's 8 million new voters..-. find them and you find where this election was stolen.


WHAT I DID
Noticing that nobody was really taking a lot of notice of my ramblings I decided to take a closer look. The raw data is below and I will post an excel spreadsheet of this online soon so people can fill in the gaps (this is really a bit of a work in progress as is the DU tradition). I picked and chose my states on the basis of where I thought it likely that the votes came from and stopped when I got to 90% of the vote difference this only took 31 states.

FINDINGS

1. Bush did not pick up any vote at all on the West Coast.. in fact he lost ground in both Washington and California. This is interesting as this is arguably where the BBV machine manufacturers have been receiving the most heat. However it could reflect a relative lack of interest in so-called "moral issues" out west.

2. The five states I picked on the basis that they are known to have lots of voting machines (and particularly Diebold machines) had a significantly higher percentage increase in bush voters than average 25% compared to 17% nationally.

3. Likewise the swing states also had a higher average rate of new bush voters at 21%. This however might be expected as they also had much more active campaigns.

4. Among the 31 states I examined were three big democratic states NY, NJ and IL. I selected them on a hunch because a) they are unlikely to be suspected of being used in a vote rigging exercise, but b) necessary to include if you want to achieve a large across the board popular vote gain that does not look too suspicious. These three states averaged a 21% vote gains for Bush and NJ and NY achieved around 25%. However between them they contributed 1.7 million new bush votes, or nearly 20% of Bush's total vote gain.

5. The remainder of my selection of states is broadly defined as "red states", they averaged 20% in terms of voting gain for bush. Notably both Kansas and Utah achieved % gains for bush below the national average. I am guessing here but I would have thought both states were "moral issue" based voter heavy.

DISTRIBUTION OF THE VOTES

6. In sheer numeric terms Bush gained far and away the most votes in Texas and Florida, 900k and 700k respectively.

7. 60% of all Bushes new votes, 5.2 million votes, were gained in just 11 statesFL, TX. NY, OH, PA, GA, MI, NJ, TN, NC, IL

8. Add in another 8 states and you get to 82% of all bush's new votes or 7.1 million the states are WI MN IND AL OK KY AZ LOU & MD

9. Put another way 7.1 million votes or 82% of bushes gain was achieved in states totalling 65% of the popular vote. Within these states he achieved an average vote gain of an astonishing 23%.

10. 92% of the vote gain is found in the 31 states I selected data for.

11. The rate of bush vote growth in the remaining 20 states was just 5% on average.

12. In percentage terms Florida and Georgia (both heavily Diebold equipment using states) were the standouts with 32% gains respectively.

13. In percentage terms five other states showed more than 25% growth in the bush vote, in ascending order they were Arizona, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Tennessee. Of these AZ, NM and OK both recently upgraded their machines to new tech machines. NJ and TN also both use computerised voting machines, albeit older models.

CLICK HERE TO SEE WHICH MACHINES ARE USED WHERE VerifiedVoting.Org's Verifier

RAW DATA FOLLOWS


SOURCES
2000 Results Via CNN
2004 Results Via C-Span

2004 --|-- 2000 --|-- difference --|-- % --|-- increase --|--

GWB'S TOTAL VOTE INCREASE
National --|-- 59117523 --|-- 50456169 --|-- 8661354 --|-- 0.171660952 --|--

WHERE THE NEW VOTES CAME FROM BROKEN DOWN

Diebold & ES&S States (where the equipment is i.e. because you can)

GA --|-- 1867988 --|-- 1416085 --|-- 451903 --|-- 0.31912138 --|--
OK --|-- 959655 --|-- 744335 --|-- 215320 --|-- 0.289278349 --|--
AZ --|-- 905379 --|-- 715112 --|-- 190267 --|-- 0.266066015 --|--
MD --|-- 936505 --|-- 770911 --|-- 165594 --|-- 0.214803006 --|--
TX --|-- 4495797 --|-- 3796850 --|-- 698947 --|-- 0.184086019 --|--

SUBTOTAL --|-- 1722031 --|-- 0.254670954 --|--

Big Democratic States (where no one will look and where you can pad the popular vote)

NJ --|-- 1587494 --|-- 1253791 --|-- 333703 --|-- 0.266155204 --|--
NY --|-- 2780749 --|-- 2235776 --|-- 544973 --|-- 0.243751163 --|--
IL --|-- 2313415 --|-- 2019256 --|-- 294159 --|-- 0.145676923 --|--

SUBTOTAL --|-- 1172835 --|-- 0.218527763 --|--

Swing States (logical place where campaign was & where you want to win)

FL --|-- 3838376 --|-- 2909176 --|-- 929200 --|-- 0.319403157 --|--
NM --|-- 364569 --|-- 286417 --|-- 78152 --|-- 0.272860899 --|--
OH --|-- 2796147 --|-- 2294167 --|-- 501980 --|-- 0.218807088 --|--
PA --|-- 2748900 --|-- 2264309 --|-- 484591 --|-- 0.214012752 --|--
MN --|-- 1345168 --|-- 1110290 --|-- 234878 --|-- 0.211546533 --|--
NH --|-- 330848 --|-- 273135 --|-- 57713 --|-- 0.211298442 --|--
WI --|-- 1477122 --|-- 1235035 --|-- 242087 --|-- 0.196016307 --|--
MI --|-- 2306259 --|-- 1947100 --|-- 359159 --|-- 0.184458425 --|--
IO --|-- 745734 --|-- 634225 --|-- 111509 --|-- 0.175819307 --|--
CO --|-- 1017322 --|-- 884047 --|-- 133275 --|-- 0.150755559 --|--

SUBTOTAL --|-- 3132544 --|-- 0.215497847 --|--

(not really a swing state.. but with odd exit poll and VP candidate )

NC --|-- 1919903 --|-- 1607238 --|-- 312665 --|-- 0.194535595 --|--

CONTROVERSIAL BBV STATES (remarkable because of an absence of new bush votes too risky)

(BevHarris's)WA --|-- 921543 --|-- 1101621 --|-- -180078 --|-- -0.163466383 --|--
(KevinShelley's)CA --|-- 4403495 --|-- 4437557 --|-- -34062 --|-- -0.007675845 --|--

SUBTOTAL --|-- -214140 --|-- -0.085571114 --|--

RED STATES (Loosely where you might expect to find more fundamentalist christians and moral issues based voters.)

TN --|-- 1381852 --|-- 1056480 --|-- 325372 --|-- 0.307977434 --|--
AL --|-- 1174278 --|-- 943799 --|-- 230479 --|-- 0.24420348 --|--
KY --|-- 1064504 --|-- 869946 --|-- 194558 --|-- 0.223643766 --|--
SD --|-- 232545 --|-- 190515 --|-- 42030 --|-- 0.22061255 --|--
AK --|-- 566676 --|-- 472120 --|-- 94556 --|-- 0.20027959 --|--
MISS --|-- 657920 --|-- 549426 --|-- 108494 --|-- 0.197467903 --|--
LOU --|-- 1101710 --|-- 924670 --|-- 177040 --|-- 0.1914629 --|--
NB --|-- 486025 --|-- 408719 --|-- 77306 --|-- 0.189142173 --|--
UTH --|-- 608851 --|-- 512168 --|-- 96683 --|-- 0.188772044 --|--
IND --|-- 1474475 --|-- 1242372 --|-- 232103 --|-- 0.186822465 --|--
KS --|-- 711083 --|-- 616829 --|-- 94254 --|-- 0.1528041 --|--
WY --|-- 167129 --|-- 147674 --|-- 19455 --|-- 0.131742893 --|--

SUBTOTAL --|-- 1692330 --|-- 0.162328753 --|--

NEW --|-- VOTES --|-- FOUND --|-- 7818265 --|--
REMAINDER --|-- 843089 --|--

RANKING LIST OF NEW VOTE STATES BY TOTAL VOTES GAINED

STATE --|-- 2004 --|-- 2000 --|-- NEW VOTES --|-- % --|-- Incr --|-- Cumulative --|-- Gain --|--

FL --|-- 3838376 --|-- 2909176 --|-- 929200 --|-- 31.9% --|-- 929200 --|-- 10.7%
TX --|-- 4495797 --|-- 3796850 --|-- 698947 --|-- 18.4% --|-- 1628147 --|-- 18.8%
NY --|-- 2780749 --|-- 2235776 --|-- 544973 --|-- 24.4% --|-- 2173120 --|-- 25.1%
OH --|-- 2796147 --|-- 2294167 --|-- 501980 --|-- 21.9% --|-- 2675100 --|-- 30.9%
PA --|-- 2748900 --|-- 2264309 --|-- 484591 --|-- 21.4% --|-- 3159691 --|-- 36.5%
GA --|-- 1867988 --|-- 1416085 --|-- 451903 --|-- 31.9% --|-- 3611594 --|-- 41.7%
MI --|-- 2306259 --|-- 1947100 --|-- 359159 --|-- 18.4% --|-- 3970753 --|-- 45.9%
NJ --|-- 1587494 --|-- 1253791 --|-- 333703 --|-- 26.6% --|-- 4304456 --|-- 49.7%
TN --|-- 1381852 --|-- 1056480 --|-- 325372 --|-- 30.8% --|-- 4629828 --|-- 53.5%
NC --|-- 1919903 --|-- 1607238 --|-- 312665 --|-- 19.5% --|-- 4942493 --|-- 57.1%
IL --|-- 2313415 --|-- 2019256 --|-- 294159 --|-- 14.6% --|-- 5236652 --|-- 60.5%
WI --|-- 1477122 --|-- 1235035 --|-- 242087 --|-- 19.6% --|-- 5478739 --|-- 63.3%
MN --|-- 1345168 --|-- 1110290 --|-- 234878 --|-- 21.2% --|-- 5713617 --|-- 66.0%
IND --|-- 1474475 --|-- 1242372 --|-- 232103 --|-- 18.7% --|-- 5945720 --|-- 68.7%
AL --|-- 1174278 --|-- 943799 --|-- 230479 --|-- 24.4% --|-- 6176199 --|-- 71.3%
OK --|-- 959655 --|-- 744335 --|-- 215320 --|-- 28.9% --|-- 6391519 --|-- 73.8%
KY --|-- 1064504 --|-- 869946 --|-- 194558 --|-- 22.4% --|-- 6586077 --|-- 76.1%
AZ --|-- 905379 --|-- 715112 --|-- 190267 --|-- 26.6% --|-- 6776344 --|-- 78.2%
LOU --|-- 1101710 --|-- 924670 --|-- 177040 --|-- 19.1% --|-- 6953384 --|-- 80.3%
MD --|-- 936505 --|-- 770911 --|-- 165594 --|-- 21.5% --|-- 7118978 --|-- 82.2%
CO --|-- 1017322 --|-- 884047 --|-- 133275 --|-- 15.1% --|-- 7252253 --|-- 83.7%
IO --|-- 745734 --|-- 634225 --|-- 111509 --|-- 17.6% --|-- 7363762 --|-- 85.0%
MISS --|-- 657920 --|-- 549426 --|-- 108494 --|-- 19.7% --|-- 7472256 --|-- 86.3%
UTH --|-- 608851 --|-- 512168 --|-- 96683 --|-- 18.9% --|-- 7568939 --|-- 87.4%
AK --|-- 566676 --|-- 472120 --|-- 94556 --|-- 20.0% --|-- 7663495 --|-- 88.5%
KS --|-- 711083 --|-- 616829 --|-- 94254 --|-- 15.3% --|-- 7757749 --|-- 89.6%
NM --|-- 364569 --|-- 286417 --|-- 78152 --|-- 27.3% --|-- 7835901 --|-- 90.5%
NB --|-- 486025 --|-- 408719 --|-- 77306 --|-- 18.9% --|-- 7913207 --|-- 91.4%
NH --|-- 330848 --|-- 273135 --|-- 57713 --|-- 21.1% --|-- 7970920 --|-- 92.0%
SD --|-- 232545 --|-- 190515 --|-- 42030 --|-- 22.1% --|-- 8012950 --|-- 92.5%
WY --|-- 167129 --|-- 147674 --|-- 19455 --|-- 13.2% --|-- 8032405 --|-- 92.8%

TOTALS --|-- 44364378 --|-- 36331973 --|-- 8032405 --|-- 21.7% --|--

RANKING LIST OF NEW VOTE STATES BY % INCREASE

STATE --|-- 2004 --|-- 2000 --|-- NEW VOTES --|-- % --|-- Incr --|--

FL --|-- 3838376 --|-- 2909176 --|-- 929200 --|-- 31.9% --|--
GA --|-- 1867988 --|-- 1416085 --|-- 451903 --|-- 31.9% --|--
TN --|-- 1381852 --|-- 1056480 --|-- 325372 --|-- 30.8% --|--
OK --|-- 959655 --|-- 744335 --|-- 215320 --|-- 28.9% --|--
NM --|-- 364569 --|-- 286417 --|-- 78152 --|-- 27.3% --|--
NJ --|-- 1587494 --|-- 1253791 --|-- 333703 --|-- 26.6% --|--
AZ --|-- 905379 --|-- 715112 --|-- 190267 --|-- 26.6% --|--
AL --|-- 1174278 --|-- 943799 --|-- 230479 --|-- 24.4% --|--
NY --|-- 2780749 --|-- 2235776 --|-- 544973 --|-- 24.4% --|--
KY --|-- 1064504 --|-- 869946 --|-- 194558 --|-- 22.4% --|--
SD --|-- 232545 --|-- 190515 --|-- 42030 --|-- 22.1% --|--
OH --|-- 2796147 --|-- 2294167 --|-- 501980 --|-- 21.9% --|--
MD --|-- 936505 --|-- 770911 --|-- 165594 --|-- 21.5% --|--
PA --|-- 2748900 --|-- 2264309 --|-- 484591 --|-- 21.4% --|--
MN --|-- 1345168 --|-- 1110290 --|-- 234878 --|-- 21.2% --|--
NH --|-- 330848 --|-- 273135 --|-- 57713 --|-- 21.1% --|--
AK --|-- 566676 --|-- 472120 --|-- 94556 --|-- 20.0% --|--
MISS --|-- 657920 --|-- 549426 --|-- 108494 --|-- 19.7% --|--
WI --|-- 1477122 --|-- 1235035 --|-- 242087 --|-- 19.6% --|--
NC --|-- 1919903 --|-- 1607238 --|-- 312665 --|-- 19.5% --|--
LOU --|-- 1101710 --|-- 924670 --|-- 177040 --|-- 19.1% --|--
NB --|-- 486025 --|-- 408719 --|-- 77306 --|-- 18.9% --|--
UTH --|-- 608851 --|-- 512168 --|-- 96683 --|-- 18.9% --|--
IND --|-- 1474475 --|-- 1242372 --|-- 232103 --|-- 18.7% --|--
MI --|-- 2306259 --|-- 1947100 --|-- 359159 --|-- 18.4% --|--
TX --|-- 4495797 --|-- 3796850 --|-- 698947 --|-- 18.4% --|--
IO --|-- 745734 --|-- 634225 --|-- 111509 --|-- 17.6% --|--
KS --|-- 711083 --|-- 616829 --|-- 94254 --|-- 15.3% --|--
CO --|-- 1017322 --|-- 884047 --|-- 133275 --|-- 15.1% --|--
IL --|-- 2313415 --|-- 2019256 --|-- 294159 --|-- 14.6% --|--
WY --|-- 167129 --|-- 147674 --|-- 19455 --|-- 13.2% --|--

TOTALS --|-- 44364378 --|-- 36331973 --|-- 8032405 --|-- 21.7% --|--

REMAINING STATES --|-- 14635622 --|-- 627595 --|-- 4.3% --|--

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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:44 AM
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1. Thank you for this
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:49 AM
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3. My pleasure... please keep it kicked...
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:07 PM
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38. Is there any way to set up a dedicated site for this?
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:00 PM
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110. Question on finding stats
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 10:59 PM by CAcyclist
Dumb question:

Where can I find the stats to these questions?


% each race historically vote per party - change in percent this year

Michael Moore said 88% of Bush's number were from white voters. Where does this number come from?
I am trying to see if the total number is outside of statistical probability but I don't know where to go.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:46 AM
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2. Kerry may not see this one through, but I knew someone on DU
would pick up the flag and run with it.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #2
62. Can 55 million folks file a civil suit against **?
-----------------------------------------------------------
FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform...
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:52 AM
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4. I've bookmarked this and will take a look later.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:52 AM
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5. gee Wally O'Dell didn't just give him Ohio...
Thanks for this Al. Excellent job. Now how the hell do we get rid of the boxes?
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:49 PM
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52. There is no Point anymore!
All the elections are predetermined. They stole 2000 and now they stole 2004. We will never have a free election again. The Christian Re-constructionist have been planning this since 1974. They are in power and they will never leave. They will run our country on fear and hate forever. The exit polls and all the pollsters all predicted a victory for Kerry. People do not register in record numbers, stand in the pouring rain to keep business as usual. No one's vote was counted, it was decided in advance what the outcome would be. We do not live in a democracy and we have not since 2000. Greg Palast wrote a very good article about this:

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/what_happened_in_ohio....

There is another respected author and journalist Mark Crispin Miller made an excellent DVD called 'A Patriot Act' It explains the Christian Re-constructionists here is a trailer for it:

http://www.patriotnation.us/main.html

My heart and spirit are broken, I will never vote again, there is no point in fighting anymore, it's over, they have won. I am looking into ways to move to Ireland.
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. Here's a little prayer for you.
No, f**k that. Get off your ass and fight :)
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:15 PM
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64. Fight what?
The President, Congress, the Supreme court? When we do and we won (as we clearly did Tues.) They refuse to leave, the change the votes to keep themselves in, they will never give up the power again. They are all ruled by the Christian Reconstructionists. They have the power, we can no longer change anything. We are just spinning our wheels.
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xpat Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #64
83. We beat them after 1776
and we can do it again.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:14 PM
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71. So let's all roll over and stay silent - NOT!

Excellent thread!

It is now becoming crystal clear that they thought we were as dumb as Puppet Boy.

They did not know we could make a spread sheet, tally votes and BINGO! realize that something is fishy.

Let's not forget that Rush Limbaugh and Shaun and all the whores were crying the day before the election. If they knew they were going to have more registered voters and record numbers why would they be so sad.

They were as shocked as We were!

It was a Rove fix and may God make him rot in hell.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:42 PM
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113. kick
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:21 AM
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97. Yea, so why come here and post anymore also?
:cry:

Sometimes being disingenuous has it's rewards :evilgrin:
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Joefess Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:54 AM
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6. Thanks, going to try to take all this in...
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 05:59 AM by Joefess
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:57 AM
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7. Stage 2 Of This Research.. any help would be greatly appreciated....
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 06:00 AM by althecat
60% of all Bushes new votes, 5.2 million votes, were gained in just 11 statesFL, TX. NY, OH, PA, GA, MI, NJ, TN, NC, IL

We now need to know which counties within those states produced the vote gain.

If anyone wants to take up a job it would be sensible to establish a thread for each state and then post an analysis of the county by county comparisons bush 2000 compared with bush 2004. Again we do not need the results for all the counties... just the ones showing significant bush gains.

2000 results county by county are available here
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results /

and

2004 results county by county are available here
http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/election_n...

(click on your state and then scroll down and click on "By county -- President" )

Once we have identified the counties the votes appeared in we can then see if there is any correlation by voting equipment which you can do here.

Stage 2 Of This Research.. any help would be greatly appreciated....

CLICK HERE TO SEE WHICH MACHINES ARE USED WHERE VerifiedVoting.Org's Verifier

If you like making your research fun... it is quite cool to try and guess where you will find your new bush votes on the basis of the equipment being used. If the technique works it sort of proves the theory as you are doing the job.

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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:08 AM
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10. 60% of all Bush's new votes...
60% of all Bushes new votes, 5.2 million votes, were gained in just 11 statesFL, TX. NY, OH, PA, GA, MI, NJ, TN, NC, IL

What percent of registered voters do these states represent?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:12 PM
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43. The counties produced 45.5% of Bush's vote in 2000 and 47.5% in 2004
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 02:35 PM by althecat
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:16 PM
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58. States that had gay marriage props for comparison
Oklahoma, Georgia, North Dakota, Ohio, Kentucky, Michigan, Montana, Utah, Mississippi and Arkansas backed constitutional amendments limiting marriage to a union between a man and a woman.

Oregon, which had been expected to reject the proposed ban, was backing a similar amendment by a smaller margin.

Ohio is reported to have also backed an amendment against civil unions for gay couples.

FL, TX. NY, OH, PA, GA, MI, NJ, TN, NC, IL
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:55 AM
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100. George S...
...somebody later on may have already said this, but... your post really puts the lie to this "morality vote" bullshit. If the gay marriage issue drove people to the polls in massive numbers, then why don't the states with the gay marriage amendment on the ballot also match the states where Bush gained the most votes? Logic says they would.

Yes, the amendment was on the ballot in OH.

So, in other words, you'd think Bush would have high gains in Utah, yet Bush votes were DOWN in that state...! You'd think they'd be up in Mississippi and Montana, too... yet Montana just elected a Democrat for governor.



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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 06:06 AM
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102. VERY TELLING POINT HERE n/t
Big thread needum pointers... :)
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:33 PM
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86. not showing 2000 countie data there
I get "page not found, may have been removed"

At least for 3 counties I tried in PA

Usually the states secretary of state sight will have results by county as they're responsible for the vote count. Or they'll have a link to a seperate elections board site or similar.

Thanks for the machines link.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:39 PM
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90. Arizona
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 05:41 PM by mulethree
All electronic?

Heres a paste from excel, don't know how this will look, will put a CSV after it.

County Apache Cochise Coconino Gila Graham Greenlee La Paz Maricopa Mohave Navajo Pima Pinal Santa Cruz Yavapai Yuma Total
2000 AZ Gore "13,025" "13,360" "20,280" "7,700" "3,355" "1,216" "1,769" "386,683" "17,470" "11,794" "147,688" "19,650" "5,233" "24,063" "12,055" "685,341"
2000 AZ Bush "5,947" "18,180" "17,562" "9,158" "6,007" "1,619" "2,543" "479,967" "24,386" "12,386" "124,579" "20,122" "3,344" "40,144" "15,708" "781,652"

2004 AZ Kerry "15,658" "16,219" "26,513" "7,107" "3,185" "1,146" "1,849" "427,730" "16,267" "14,224" "154,291" "25,652" "6,909" "30,377" "12,668" "759,795"
2004 AZ Bush "8,384" "24,828" "20,619" "10,494" "7,467" "1,899" "3,158" "576,017" "29,608" "16,474" "138,431" "34,813" "4,668" "49,675" "18,398" "944,933"

dem gain "2,633" "2,859" "6,233" -593 -170 -70 80 "41,047" "-1,203" "2,430" "6,603" "6,002" "1,676" "6,314" 613 "74,454"
dem gain % 20.21% 21.40% 30.73% -7.70% -5.07% -5.76% 4.52% 10.62% -6.89% 20.60% 4.47% 30.54% 32.03% 26.24% 5.09% 10.86%

rep gain "2,437" "6,648" "3,057" "1,336" "1,460" 280 615 "96,050" "5,222" "4,088" "13,852" "14,691" "1,324" "9,531" "2,690" "163,281"
rep gain % 40.98% 36.57% 17.41% 14.59% 24.30% 17.29% 24.18% 20.01% 21.41% 33.01% 11.12% 73.01% 39.59% 23.74% 17.13% 20.89%

turnout gain 26.7% 30.1% 24.5% 4.4% 13.8% 7.4% 16.1% 15.8% 9.6% 27.0% 7.5% 52.0% 35.0% 24.7% 11.9% 16.2%

E-vendor diebold ESS diebold diebold ESS diebold diebold ESS diebold diebold diebold diebold diebold diebold diebold
e-machine accuvote M100 accuvote accuvote M100 accuvote accuvote Eagle accuvote accuvote accuvote accuvote accuvote accuvote accuvote
e-OS GEMS Unity GEMS GEMS Unity GEMS HPS130 GEMS GEMS GEMS GEMS GEMS GEMS


CSV - (Comma seperated values - should load right into a spreadsheet)

County,Apache,Cochise,Coconino,Gila,Graham,Greenlee,LaPaz,Maricopa,Mohave,Navajo,Pima,Pinal,Santa Cruz,Yavapai,Yuma,Total,
2000 AZ Gore,"13,025","13,360","20,280","7,700","3,355","1,216","1,769","386,683","17,470","11,794","147,688","19,650","5,233","24,063","12,055","685,341",
2000 AZ Bush,"5,947","18,180","17,562","9,158","6,007","1,619","2,543","479,967","24,386","12,386","124,579","20,122","3,344","40,144","15,708","781,652",
2004 AZ Kerry,"15,658","16,219","26,513","7,107","3,185","1,146","1,849","427,730","16,267","14,224","154,291","25,652","6,909","30,377","12,668","759,795",
2004 AZ Bush,"8,384","24,828","20,619","10,494","7,467","1,899","3,158","576,017","29,608","16,474","138,431","34,813","4,668","49,675","18,398","944,933",
dem gain,"2,633","2,859","6,233",-593,-170,-70,80,"41,047","-1,203","2,430","6,603","6,002","1,676","6,314",613,"74,454",
dem gain %,20.21%,21.40%,30.73%,-7.70%,-5.07%,-5.76%,4.52%,10.62%,-6.89%,20.60%,4.47%,30.54%,32.03%,26.24%,5.09%,10.86%,
rep gain,"2,437","6,648","3,057","1,336","1,460",280,615,"96,050","5,222","4,088","13,852","14,691","1,324","9,531","2,690","163,281",
rep gain %,40.98%,36.57%,17.41%,14.59%,24.30%,17.29%,24.18%,20.01%,21.41%,33.01%,11.12%,73.01%,39.59%,23.74%,17.13%,20.89%,
turnout gain,26.7%,30.1%,24.5%,4.4%,13.8%,7.4%,16.1%,15.8%,9.6%,27.0%,7.5%,52.0%,35.0%,24.7%,11.9%,16.2%
E-vendor,diebold,ESS,diebold,diebold,ESS,diebold,diebold,ESS,diebold,diebold,diebold,diebold,diebold,diebold,diebold,
e-machine,accuvote,M100,accuvote,accuvote,M100,accuvote,accuvote,Eagle,accuvote,accuvote,accuvote,accuvote,accuvote,accuvote,accuvote,
e-OS,GEMS,Unity,GEMS,GEMS,Unity,,GEMS,HPS130,GEMS,GEMS,,GEMS,GEMS,GEMS,GEMS,
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. Pennsylvania
Only the CSV file for this one.
Mostly lever, optical scan and paper ballots
There are 6 or so counties using electronic

General trend is Bush improved 5:4 versus Kerry/Gore.
The electronic voting trends all fairly close to that and well
within the ranges of the lever, optical and paper areas.


CSV - Comma seperated values

County,Adams,Allegheny,Armstrong,Beaver,Bedford,Berks,Blair,Bradford,Bucks,Butler ,Cambria,Cameron,Carbon,Centre,Chester,Clarion,Clearfield,Clinton,Columbia,Crawford,Cumberland,Dauphin,Delaware,Elk,Erie,Fayette,Forest,Franklin,Fulton,Greene,Huntingdon,Indiana,Jefferson,Juniata,Lackawanna ,Lancaster,Lawrence,Lebanon,Lehigh,Luzerne,Lycoming,Mckean,Mercer,Mifflin,Monroe,Montgomery,Montour,Northampton,Northumberland,Perry,Philadelphia,Pike,Potter,Schuylkill,Snyder,Somerset,Sullivan,Susquehanna,Tioga,Union,Venango,Warren,Washington,Wayne,Westmoreland,Wyoming,York,
2000 PA Bush,"20,848","235,361","15,508","32,491","13,598","71,273","28,376","14,660","121,927","44,009","28,001","1,383","9,717","26,172","100,080","9,796","18,019","6,064","12,095","18,858","54,802","53,631","105,836","7,347","49,027","20,013","1,371","33,042","3,753","5,890","10,408","16,799","11,473","5,795","35,096","115,900","18,060","28,534","55,492","52,328","27,137","9,661","23,132","9,400","23,265","145,623","3,960","47,396","18,142","11,184","100,959","9,339","4,858","29,841","8,963","20,218","1,928","10,226","9,635","8,523","11,642","9,290","37,339","11,201","80,858","6,922","87,652","2,281,127"
2000 PA Gore,"11,682","329,963","11,127","38,925","5,474","59,150","15,774","7,911","132,914","25,037","30,308",779,"10,668","21,409","82,047","5,605","11,718","5,521","8,975","13,250","31,053","44,390","134,861","5,754","59,399","28,152",843,"14,922","1,425","7,230","5,073","13,667","5,566","2,656","57,471","54,968","20,593","16,093","56,667","62,199","14,663","5,510","23,817","4,835","21,939","177,990","2,356","53,097","13,670","4,459","449,182","7,330","2,037","26,215","3,536","12,028","1,066","6,481","4,617","4,209","8,196","7,537","44,961","6,904","71,792","4,363","51,958","2,485,967"
2004 PA Bush,"27,883","268,387","18,871","39,705","16,586","82,486","35,422","16,753","153,424","54,654","33,837","1,599","12,458","32,789","119,106","10,546","20,458","7,991","15,914","21,785","67,175","64,816","116,728","7,813","56,895","24,484","1,511","40,764","4,731","7,766","12,124","20,116","13,242","7,063","44,562","144,291","21,542","36,796","69,702","64,751","32,497","10,749","24,545","11,628","27,708","172,206","4,867","61,636","22,124","13,885","125,732","12,328","5,602","35,449","10,521","23,686","2,018","11,420","11,849","10,288","14,213","10,971","46,944","13,591","98,792","7,724","114,651","2,755,150"
2004 PA Kerry,"13,600","363,674","11,999","41,874","6,007","72,499","17,972","8,420","162,220","29,913","32,397",794,"12,169","30,396","108,670","5,830","13,471","5,802","10,598","15,856","37,577","54,653","157,531","6,578","67,067","28,299",953,"16,127","1,461","7,649","5,878","15,734","6,021","2,759","59,305","73,395","21,131","17,917","73,180","68,665","15,509","6,206","22,761","4,878","27,674","217,342","2,634","62,974","14,517","5,408","524,875","8,577","2,244","29,091","4,319","12,802","1,201","7,237","5,341","5,665","8,886","8,035","47,357","7,995","76,966","4,914","63,628","2,885,077"
2004 Dem gain,"1,918","33,711",872,"2,949",533,"13,349","2,198",509,"29,306","4,876","2,089",15,"1,501","8,987","26,623",225,"1,753",281,"1,623","2,606","6,524","10,263","22,670",824,"7,668",147,110,"1,205",36,419,805,"2,067",455,103,"1,834","18,427",538,"1,824","16,513","6,466",846,696,"-1,056",43,"5,735","39,352",278,"9,877",847,949,"75,693","1,247",207,"2,876",783,774,135,756,724,"1,456",690,498,"2,396","1,091","5,174",551,"11,670","399,110"
2004 Dem gain %,16.42%,10.22%,7.84%,7.58%,9.74%,22.57%,13.93%,6.43%,22.05%,19.48%,6.89%,1.93%,14.07%,41.98%,32.45%,4.01%,14.96%,5.09%,18.08%,19.67%,21.01%,23.12%,16.81%,14.32%,12.91%,0.52%,13.05%,8.08%,2.53%,5.80%,15.87%,15.12%,8.17%,3.88%,3.19%,33.52%,2.61%,11.33%,29.14%,10.40%,5.77%,12.63%,-4.43%,0.89%,26.14%,22.11%,11.80%,18.60%,6.20%,21.28%,16.85%,17.01%,10.16%,10.97%,22.14%,6.43%,12.66%,11.66%,15.68%,34.59%,8.42%,6.61%,5.33%,15.80%,7.21%,12.63%,22.46%,16.05%
2004 Rep gain,"7,035","33,026","3,363","7,214","2,988","11,213","7,046","2,093","31,497","10,645","5,836",216,"2,741","6,617","19,026",750,"2,439","1,927","3,819","2,927","12,373","11,185","10,892",466,"7,868","4,471",140,"7,722",978,"1,876","1,716","3,317","1,769","1,268","9,466","28,391","3,482","8,262","14,210","12,423","5,360","1,088","1,413","2,228","4,443","26,583",907,"14,240","3,982","2,701","24,773","2,989",744,"5,608","1,558","3,468",90,"1,194","2,214","1,765","2,571","1,681","9,605","2,390","17,934",802,"26,999","474,023"
2004 Rep gain %,33.74%,14.03%,21.69%,22.20%,21.97%,15.73%,24.83%,14.28%,25.83%,24.19%,20.84%,15.62%,28.21%,25.28%,19.01%,7.66%,13.54%,31.78%,31.58%,15.52%,22.58%,20.86%,10.29%,6.34%,16.05%,22.34%,10.21%,23.37%,26.06%,31.85%,16.49%,19.75%,15.42%,21.88%,26.97%,24.50%,19.28%,28.95%,25.61%,23.74%,19.75%,11.26%,6.11%,23.70%,19.10%,18.25%,22.90%,30.04%,21.95%,24.15%,24.54%,32.01%,15.31%,18.79%,17.38%,17.15%,4.67%,11.68%,22.98%,20.71%,22.08%,18.09%,25.72%,21.34%,22.18%,11.59%,30.80%,20.78%
2004 turnout gain,"8,953","66,737","4,235","10,163","3,521","24,562","9,244","2,602","60,803","15,521","7,925",231,"4,242","15,604","45,649",975,"4,192","2,208","5,442","5,533","18,897","21,448","33,562","1,290","15,536","4,618",250,"8,927","1,014","2,295","2,521","5,384","2,224","1,371","11,300","46,818","4,020","10,086","30,723","18,889","6,206","1,784",357,"2,271","10,178","65,935","1,185","24,117","4,829","3,650","100,466","4,236",951,"8,484","2,341","4,242",225,"1,950","2,938","3,221","3,261","2,179","12,001","3,481","23,108","1,353","38,669","873,133"
2004 turnout gain %,27.52%,11.81%,15.90%,14.23%,18.46%,18.83%,20.94%,11.53%,23.86%,22.48%,13.59%,10.68%,20.81%,32.79%,25.06%,6.33%,14.10%,19.06%,25.83%,17.23%,22.01%,21.88%,13.94%,9.85%,14.33%,9.59%,11.29%,18.61%,19.58%,17.49%,16.28%,17.67%,13.05%,16.22%,12.21%,27.40%,10.40%,22.60%,27.39%,16.49%,14.85%,11.76%,0.76%,15.95%,22.52%,20.37%,18.76%,24.00%,15.18%,23.33%,18.26%,25.41%,13.79%,15.13%,18.73%,13.16%,7.52%,11.67%,20.61%,25.30%,16.44%,12.95%,14.58%,19.23%,15.14%,11.99%,27.70%,18.32%
e-vote vendor,,,,Unilect,,Danaher,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Danaher,,,,,,,,Unilect,,,,,,,,,,,,,Unilect,,,Sequoia,,Sequoia,,,Danaher,,Sequoia
e-vote machine,,,,,,Guardian,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Guardian,,,,,,,,Patriot,,,,,,,,,,,,,Patriot,,,AVC Advantage,,AVC Advantage,,,guardian,,AVC Advantage
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,some precincts
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. Ditto... i.e. would be nice to get emailed as a spreadsheet...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #91
94. You are a gem indeed mulethree
Tis Sunday night here.. I need to get these in a spreadsheet and do the analysis.... we are starting to get a wider picture here..

BTW... someone has volunteered to do texas...

al
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. Cool... thanks a million
Might be best to email this to me as a spreadsheet.... then it will be easier to read. Arizona was a good state to do as you say it is all Diebold and all electronic...

al
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:10 AM
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95. Have a volunteer for texas...
Someone has volunteered to do texas... so that's covered.. we are making fantastic progress here thanks to Mulethree.

Tis late Sunday night here... will get on with some analysis on this new data tomorrow.

Can't wait!!!

THANKS AGAIN MULETHREE!!!!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:12 AM
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96. Florida...
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Expat_Kristen Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #7
105. Florida county -by-county results
Okay, I just computed Florida county-by-county results for
Bush votes in 2000, 2004, difference, and precentage
difference.

First of all, in most counties Bush gained around 30-35% of
votes in this election than he did 2000. 

His top 3 gains were in the following counties:

Sumter 63.2%
Osceola 64.3%
Dixie 64.37%

His least 3 gains were in the following counties:

Jefferson 8.45%
Miami-Dade 9.0%
Monroe 21.16%

Unfortunately, I didn't find any correlation between these
results and voting methods in those  counties. I'm not a
statistician, so maybe others can find more interesting
anamolies. I don't know how to explain the wide margins here
at all. 

County	       2004	2000	Difference	Gain
Alachua	       47,615	34,062	13,553	        0.39789207915
Baker	       7,738	5,610	2128	        0.37932263815
Bay	       53,388	38,682	14706	        0.38017682643
Bradford       7,553	5,413	2140	        0.39534454092
Brevard	       152,838	115,253	37585	        0.32610864793
Broward	       243,699	177,279	66420	        0.37466366575
Calhoun	       3,780	2,873	907	        0.31569787678
Charlotte      44,402	35,419	8983	        0.25362093791
Citrus	       39,498	29,801	9697	        0.32539176538
Clay           61,881	41,903	19978	        0.47676777319
Collier	       83,485	60,467	23018	        0.38067044834
Columbia       16,753	10,968	5785	        0.52744347192
DeSoto	       5,512	4,256	1256	        0.29511278195
Dixie	       4,433	2,697	1736	        0.64367816092
Duval          219,251	152,460	66791	        0.438088679
Escambia       93,367	73,171	20196	        0.27601098796
Flagler	       19,632	12,618	7014	        0.55587256301
Franklin       3,472	2,454	1018	        0.41483292584
Gadsden	       6,253	4,770	1483	        0.31090146751
Gilchrist      4,934	3,300	1634	        0.49515151515
Glades	       2,443	1,841	602	        0.32699619772
Gulf	       4,794	3,553	1241	        0.34928229665
Hamilton       2,792	2,147	645	        0.30041918957
Hardee	       5,047	3,765	1282	        0.34050464807
Hendry         5,756	4,747	1009	        0.21255529808
Hernando       40,137	30,658	9479	        0.30918520451
Highlands      25,874	20,207	5667	        0.28044736972
Hillsborough   244,606	180,794	63812	        0.35295419096
Holmes	       6,410	5,012	1398	        0.27893056664
Indian River   36,869	28,639	8230	        0.28737036908
Jackson	       12,115	9,139	2976	        0.32563737827
Jefferson      3,298	3,041	257	        0.084511673792
Lafayette      2,460	1,670	790	        0.47305389222
Lake	       74,382	50,010	24372	        0.48734253149
Lee	       144,414	106,151	38263	        0.36045821518
Leon	       51,594	39,073	12521	        0.32045146265
Levy	       10,408	6,863	3545	        0.51653795716
Liberty	       1,927	1,317	610	        0.46317388003
Madison	       4,196	3,038	1158	        0.38117182357
Manatee	       81,272	58,023	23249	        0.40068593489
Marion	       81,267	55,146	26121	        0.47366989446
Martin	       41,350	33,972	7378	        0.21717885317
Miami-Dade     358,613	328,867	29746	        0.090449938729
Monroe	       19,462	16,063	3399	        0.21160430804
Nassau	       23,732	16,408	7324	        0.44636762555
Okaloosa       69,654	52,186	17468      	0.33472578853
Okeechobee     6,987	5,057	1930	        0.38164919913
Orange	      192,390	134,531	57859	        0.43007931257
Osceola	       43,108	26,237	16871	        0.6430232115
Palm Beach     211,894	152,964	58930	        0.3852540467
Pasco	       103,198	68,607	34591	        0.50419053449
Pinellas       225,627	184,849	40778	        0.22060168029
Polk	       123,532	90,310	33222	        0.36786623851
Putnam	       18,305	13,457	4846	        0.36010997994
Santa Rosa	51,988	36,339	15659	        0.43091444454
Sarasota	104,630	83,117	21513	        0.25882791727
Seminole	108,126	75,790	32336	        0.42665259269
St. Johns	59,178	39,564	19614	        0.4957537155
St. Lucie	47,519	34,705	12814	        0.36922633626
Sumter	        19,795	12,127	7668	        0.6323080729
Suwannee	11,153	8,009	3144	        0.39255837183
Taylor	        5,466	4,058	1408	        0.34696895022
Union	       3,396	2,332	1064	        0.45626072041
Volusia	       111,544	82,368	29176	        0.35421522922
Wakulla   	6,777	4,512	2265	        0.50199468085
Walton	        17,553	12,186	5367	        0.44042343673
Washington	7,368	4,995	2373	        0.47507507508

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madrigal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #7
115. New Jersey - Step 1 done
Sorry if format is confusing - i'm new at this. Each section is in CSV format. I have it in a spreadsheet - how do I get it to you?

Sources Used (2004 results are uncertified):
Link: http://www.state.nj.us/lps/elections/2004gen_results/04 ...
Link: http://www.state.nj.us/lps/elections/elec2000/results/2 ...
Link: http://www.state.nj.us/lps/elections/2004generalelectio ...
Links: http://www.state.nj.us/lps/elections/elec2000/2000g_tur ...


Bush, CSV file
COUNTY,BUSH 04 votes,BUSH 00 votes,Diff,%bush 2000,%bush 2004,% change bush,,
Atlantic,"46,705","35,593","11,112 ",39.07,46.70,7.63,,
Bergen,"178,304","152,731","25,573 ",41.65,47.71,6.06,,
Burlington,"90,113","72,254","17,859 ",40.70,46.07,5.38,,
Camden,"76,925","62,464","14,461 ",31.73,36.84,5.11,,
Cape May,"26,316","23,794","2,522 ",49.99,56.79,6.79,,
Cumberland,"23,186","18,882","4,304 ",38.78,45.91,7.13,,
Essex,"80,822","66,842","13,980 ",25.75,29.36,3.61,,
Gloucester,"59,760","42,315","17,445 ",39.44,46.93,7.50,,
Hudson,"55,530","43,804","11,726 ",26.17,32.60,6.43,,
Hunterdon,"39,449","32,210","7,239 ",57.05,59.86,2.80,,
Mercer,"53,469","46,670","6,799 ",34.43,38.09,3.66,,
Middlesex,"119,436","93,545","25,891 ",36.14,42.95,6.81,,
Monmouth,"161,693","119,291","42,402 ",45.51,54.57,9.07,,
Morris,"126,761","111,066","15,695 ",53.78,57.90,4.12,,
Ocean,"143,797","105,684","38,113 ",48.84,60.29,11.45,,
Passaic,"73,568","61,043","12,525 ",38.99,44.15,5.16,,
Salem,"15,635","12,257","3,378 ",45.44,52.83,7.39,,
Somerset,"72,056","59,725","12,331 ",49.61,51.75,2.14,,
Sussex,"42,085","33,277","8,808 ",57.88,64.53,6.65,,
Union,"77,621","68,554","9,067 ",36.78,40.52,3.73,,
Warren,"29,323","22,172","7,151 ",54.34,61.32,6.98,,
TOTALS,"1,592,554","1,284,173","308,381 ",40.29,46.48,6.19,,


Kerry/Gore CSV
COUNTY,KERRY 04 votes,GORE 00 votes,Diff,%gore 2000,%kerry 2004,%change kerry,,
Atlantic,"52,494","52,880",(386),58.04,52,-5.55,,
Bergen,"192,827","202,682","(9,855)",55.27,52,-3.67,,
Burlington,"103,971","99,506","4,465 ",56.05,53,-2.89,,
Camden,"129,918","127,166","2,752 ",64.60,62,-2.39,,
Cape May,"19,614","22,189","(2,575)",46.62,42,-4.30,,
Cumberland,"26,410","28,188","(1,778)",57.90,52,-5.60,,
Essex,"191,999","185,505","6,494 ",71.47,70,-1.72,,
Gloucester,"66,476","61,095","5,381 ",56.94,52,-4.73,,
Hudson,"113,603","118,206","(4,603)",70.63,67,-3.94,,
Hunterdon,"25,727","21,387","4,340 ",37.88,39,1.15,,
Mercer,"85,682","83,256","2,426 ",61.42,61,-0.38,,
Middlesex,"156,168","154,998","1,170 ",59.88,56,-3.73,,
Monmouth,"131,808","131,476",332 ,50.15,44,-5.67,,
Morris,"90,476","88,039","2,437 ",42.63,41,-1.30,,
Ocean,"92,621","102,104","(9,483)",47.18,39,-8.35,,
Passaic,"91,934","90,324","1,610 ",57.69,55,-2.52,,
Salem,"13,650","13,718",(68),50.86,46.12421437,-4.74,,
Somerset,"65,885","56,232","9,653 ",46.71,47,0.61,,
Sussex,"22,282","21,353",929 ,37.14,34,-2.98,,
Union,"112,542","112,003",539 ,60.10,59,-1.35,,
Warren,"17,876","16,543","1,333 ",40.55,37,-3.16,,
TOTALS,"1,803,963","1,788,850","15,113 ",56.13,53,-3,,


Total VOtes Cast/Total Registered by COunty:

COUNTY,Total Votes Cast 2004,2000 VOTES CAST,2004 REGISTERED VOTERS TOTAL,2000 REGISTERED VOTERS - AMENDED TOTAL,,
Atlantic,"100,007","91,102","153,016","135,471",,
Bergen,"373,708","366,721","522,490","492,719",,
Burlington,"195,586","177,541","264,532","239,412",,
Camden,"208,836","196,861","314,033","293,752",,
Cape May,"46,343","47,594","68,828","68,561",,
Cumberland,"50,501","48,684","82,343","76,709",,
Essex,"275,274","259,573","428,942","429,546",,
Gloucester,"127,328","107,298","173,793","157,352",,
Hudson,"170,339","167,361","303,325","277,048",,
Hunterdon,"65,907","56,455","81,155","74,435",,
Mercer,"140,385","135,559","208,067","197,989",,
Middlesex,"278,104","258,849","427,032","420,922",,
Monmouth,"296,284","262,141","407,776","378,268",,
Morris,"218,922","206,508","311,550","292,457",,
Ocean,"238,514","216,393","353,098","324,795",,
Passaic,"166,629","156,573","254,569","239,064",,
Salem,"29,594","26,972","42,242","39,644",,
Somerset,"139,234","120,377","172,753","149,208",,
Sussex,"65,219","57,490","89,679","80,793",,
Union,"191,574","186,373","283,270","272,236",,
Warren,"47,819","40,801","63,466","58,645",,
TOTALS,"3,426,107","3,187,226","5,005,959","4,699,026",,

Machines Used By County:
COUNTY,Voting System/Manufacturer,Type,Absentee Ballot System/Manufacturer,Type,,
Atlantic,Shouptronic 1242 (Shoup),Electronic,Teamwork-Model 25 (Sequoia Pacific),Optical Scan,,
Bergen,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,Model 550 (ES&S),Optical Scan,,
Burlington,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,Paper Ballots Counted Manually,Manual,,
Camden,Model 2.5 (Shoup),Mechanical,Paper Ballots Counted Manually,Manual,,
Cape May,Model 2.5 (Shoup),Mechanical,NCS OpScan 6,Punch Card,,
Cumberland,AVM Printomatic (Automatic),Mechanical,Paper Ballots Counted Manually,Manual,,
Essex,AVM Printomatic (Automatic),Mechanical,AIS-550 Vote Tabulation (ES&S),Optical Scan,,
Gloucester,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,Teamwork Optical Scan (Sequoia Pacific),Optical Scan,,
Hudson,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,OPS Scan 6 (Sequioa Pacific),Optical Scan,,
Hunterdon,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,NCS OpScan 5 (Sequoia Pacific),Optical Scan,,
Mercer,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,OPS Scan 6 Scanner (Sequoia Pacific,Optical Scan,,
Middlesex,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,Fiber Optic Scan Model #650 (ES&S),Optical Scan,,
Monmouth,Model 2.5 (Shoup),Mechanical,Model 650 (ES&S),Optical Scan,,
Morris,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,NCS OpScan 5 (Sequoia Pacific),Optical Scan,,
Ocean,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,NCS OpScan 5 & 6 (Sequoia Pacific),Optical Scan,,
Passaic,v-2000 (ES&S),Electronic,Model 150 Optical Scan (ES&S),Optical Scan,,
Salem,EDGE (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,Op Scan (Sequoia Pacific),Optical Scan,,
Somerset,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,Datavote/MP Version 3.0 (Sequoia Pacific),Optical Scan,,
Sussex,iVotronic (ES&S),Electronic,Model 150 (ES&S),Optical Scan,,
Union,AVCAdvantage (Sequoia Pacific),Electronic,Teamwork 25 (Sequoia Pacific),Optical Scan,,
Warren,Optech III-P Eagle (ES&S),Electronic,Optech IV-C (ES&S),Optical Scan,,
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #115
121. Fantastic... Madrigal...
That said I might just start you a new thread anyway... as this one is pretty hard to manage. I see you only have six posts so you probably can't do it yourself. Should have noticed that B4

:)
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:39 AM
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122. I HAVE ESTABLISHED A NEW THREAD TO POST NEW DATA HERE
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smurfygirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:02 AM
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8. good job but we have run into a interesting
thing at the kerry forum please read this thread and see what I mean. We could use some help.


http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=112163
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:05 AM
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9. It requires a subscription.
You have a low count no. for a DUer. It might be difficult to get people to subscribe.
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smurfygirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:09 AM
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11. It shouldn't require a subscription.
I don't follow what your saying. You should be able to get in without any type of login
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:40 AM
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22. The site isn't allowing new
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 09:44 AM by FlaGranny
registrations. I know I am registered for the site, but I can't log in. For some reason (maybe I forgot what it was) it won't recognize my login.

Maybe you could post the info here?

Edit: You do need a login. You are probably being logged in automatically with cookies and forgot. :-)
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:57 AM
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30. Same here...If someone could post the info at the JK thread, would be
helpful. I too lost my account info, but get emails from them every day, so I know I have an account...can't log on.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #22
123. I was logged in but when I clicked on that link above, it said
that thread was no longer there.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:13 PM
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44. Can't register or login sorry
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:15 AM
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12. The fix is in...
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 06:16 AM by crozet4clark
The Fix is in...OHIO delivered....Bush/Diebold'04

Stark County
Updated: 5:03 p.m. ET

Democratic Kerry
92,295 51% 100% of precincts reporting
Republican Bush
(Incumbent)
89,859 49%
Non-Partisan Badnarik
463 0%
Non-Partisan Peroutka
397 0%
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:18 AM
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13. Kick for a great Post
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:52 AM
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14. You better hurry with this information because CNN is already
reporting that the election was a vindication for the electronic voting. There were no problems reported, they say. This is why Kerry has failed us. We really can't use the media to push this as we would have had the full count been allowed to take place. Now this information will be buried and the next election will be stolen as well.
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KCS72000 Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. NPR also reporting how well the electronic machines worked.

Wednesday morning around 7:00 am
Reporter Dan Gretch

:puke:

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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. what else would you expect from the fascist media?
CNN and NPR are far more vile and pernicious than Fox.
Please stop presuming they are anything like legitimate.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. There was a disclaimer on CNN that they're own by Time/Warner
What is Time/Warner's connections to the right-wing?
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:03 AM
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26. more important, what is NPR's connection
Time-Warner minus Ted Turner is pretty obvious. any major corporation is obviously corrupt and complicit. NPR is run by VOA people. THAT is much more significant.
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:25 AM
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132. This is just sickening
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #14
61. The same media that pumped up the WMD issues and Iraq
Which was another bald face lie that we knew and kept on and proved wrong. Which many bush supporters still believe there were and are etc. People on this board made fun of the WMD issue months ahead of the extra blatant lies that proceeded the invasion.

We discredited the effing corporate press and all the rest of the malarkey. So NOW we need to give the corporate press validity again so they can make this fraud come clean. You have got to be dreaming because they are in on it. Just like so many other things they have been doing.

I think it would be better to just tip over the apple cart and forget about winning anything, because wining isn't going to happen if you can't tell. They can invent all the fairy tales they want but not reality. We find where the fraud is and expose it, keep files on it, find background on it.

Keep our records mirrored in many places so they can't get back at us or stop us and network it out so we cant be a single target. We need to gather people who want to keep track of the truth, this how we will win. Give up on them prizes other than the truth, because that is only thing that cannot be taken away.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:52 AM
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15. kick
thank you for your energy -- hope to get mine back soon
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:23 AM
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16. Great post, great information!
I think you're on to something.

To play devil's advocate, some of the Bush increase in NY, NJ and FL could be due to either conservative Jewish voters who support Bush's Isreal policy or to people who support Bush due to 9/11. I did GOTV in Monmouth county--an area which lost large numbers of people in the World Trade Center and it's true that some registered Dems switched sides. This was a tiny minority. My guess also is that the real conservative Jews were Bush supporters in 2000 if only due to lifestyle issues.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:45 AM
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17. So you saying there is a correlation between increased (above average)
Bush vote gains and BBV technology?

Do we know by percent of machines, counties or per capita the extent of BBV deployment in each state?

How about spoilage analysis due to antiquated/defective voting technologies affecting the Kerry vote?

I'm sure exit poll analysis would be interesting too, since its the only secondary measure we have....
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:23 AM
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19. Finally someone answers my question! Thank you!
I notice NY is not on your list - because we still have the old lever machines.
The illustration to your data is here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. kick
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:29 AM
Response to Reply #20
78. kick
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:33 AM
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21. I made a post early in the morning of 11/3
asking why the vote margins were widening for Bush when the votes from the West were being tabulated. We ALL expected the margin to narrow, but it did not. It grew by a couple of million votes. It was so very, very obvious.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:45 AM
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24. *kicking* with pleasure!
Has anyone figured out the final vote tally....without the Diebold counts?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:13 AM
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27. It get's MUCH WORSE than THIS
Check this out: http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=112163

We have found VERY STRANGE discrepencies in the county-by-county numbers in FL. It definitely does not look probably that Bush got this many votes.

We've gone to several press/media contacts with a full analysis.

In most counties, Bush got SEVERAL TIMES MORE VOTES THAN REGISTERED REPUBLICANS and it means that at least 2/3'ds DEMOCRATS had to DEFECT which isn't realistic.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:15 PM
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45. Please post your findings here... we can't register for JK.com
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:05 PM
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54. And I contributed to Kerry
The board administrator is no longer accepting any new registrations at the moment.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
50. Might bush not have received lots and lots of independent votes?
I am not attempting to downplay the findings. But I could really do with a gander at the data.

In the abence of someone helping me with this thing... it looks like I will need to do it myself. And given the circumstances FLorida is definitely the place to start.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #50
98. Consider what you are asking here
An independent voter is usually just that. Not followers, going through the motions of change. Sure some this or that, but one would mostly think they break for the challenger when current office holder is not doing a good job.

Also would think they would be less swayed by fear with the go it alone attitude, not favoring the incumbent also. Even with just common sense all these new magical numbers of voters for Bush don't add up
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #50
136. Doesn't make sense
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 11:51 PM by latteromden
CNN exit polls said independents broke 49-48 for Kerry.

(Weird, I seem to remember CNN saying they'd gone more heavily for Kerry?)
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #27
67. can't get into the forum either
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chriscol Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:01 AM
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133. I'm working on Iowa n/t
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:18 AM
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28. extremely KICK
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. There's a big difference in these two issues
On the Kerry Forum, we are discussing BAD DATA (doesn't add up) in actual VOTES... (that is 5.88% more republicans voted than there are registered).

No one is going to care about discrepencies in Exit Polls vs. Results. The media has already discredited that argument.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. The media "discredited"? So, it's untrue then. The liberal media? Wow!
So, berni. whom do you believe: the liberal media or your lying eyes?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. I agree that there is a discrepency
In Exit Polls, but the media has explained it away... I don't think the exit poll argument alone is enough. I think together, with actual # problems in the results combined with this, we have a decent case.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
51. This is nothing to do with exit polls!!!
read the post...
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #36
120. Thanks for setting us straight on this. The media explained it away.
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 01:30 AM by txindy
The same media that relentlessly marched us off to war in Iraq with detailed descriptions and images of the massive amounts of WMD in Saddam Hussein's Iraq? That MSM? Oh, wait, they got that data and those pictures from the White House. Well, I'm sure they haven't gotten their orders from the WH this time. This time it's COMPLETELY different.

Please. :eyes:


The media explains nothing. If they did their jobs, we wouldn't be in Iraq today.

Watch NH for exit poll vs. actual vote investigation results. Then we'll see. Until then, don't bother with the WH talking points about the exit polls.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #35
59. question: where did you get these charts?
I would love to use them and to offer the proper citation. Thanks.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #29
47. This is nothing to do with exit polls...
It is simply about identifying where bush won the election.
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #29
116. how would they do that?
The issue in any case is not as you portray it - exit polls versus results. The exit polls don't consistently or explainably vary from the results. In one location they are wildly off, while in others they are very close. That is suspicious no matter what the media says and no matter what your opinion is as to what people will or won't care about.
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LuLu550 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:00 PM
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31. Glad you did a narrative
your numbers hurt my brain. But thanks for the post.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:09 PM
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32. I believe it was rigged, but it's not going to do any good unless
somebody comes up with proof. this analisysing numbers shit is going to do anything but put the bush country to sleep. we need proof, or all this is whinning.

lets start a fund and begin with the basics, and see where it goes.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. We need the DNC to stop worrying about image for a moment
and fight like they said they would. Good grief, the image of the party at this point could probably withstand a few more knocks. Fiesty might not be such a bad thing in the long run.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #32
48. In order to find proof we need to identify where to look for it.
Hence this exercise... finding vote rigging on this scale is like finding a needle in a haystack. Or more like finding a bunch of needles in a big bin full of pins.

I have now identified the states where bush made his gains.

Next we identify the counties.

Once we have done that we can determine if there is anything odd about all this. If the 30% of vote turnout increase bush experienced in Florida is spread unevenly that will provide some clues.

The exit polls contain clues.

This exercise contains some clues.

This is the basics.

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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #32
118. the "where's the proof" false argument
The "where's the proof" misdirection is being used all over the Internet.

If proof were required before any investigation could begin,then no crime could ever be solved. We are not calling for indictments, let alone guilty verdicts, so the call for "proof" represents either a very poor understanding of how justice works or a willful attempt to discredit and insult people. We are calling for an investigation. That requires reasonable suspicion, and no more. That I believe we have established.

Beyond that, the government is not just any defendant. The government, according to all of our law and theory of government, is answerable to the people. We have a right to transparency in our government, and demanding it is not an "accusation" that requires "proof" in order to be valid.

It is not up to the citizens to prove that the government is acting in a tyrannical manner, it is up to the officials in government to gain our confidence by demonstrating that they are acting in our interests. The officials hold a public trust. We are the public. The trust is in question. That is enough to open a full investigation. Then, if there is no "proof" so be it.


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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:11 PM
Response to Original message
33. isn't there a way to get the voter rolls, and see if a person
actually voted, and what his registration is. that would be a start right there.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:59 PM
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37. kick-y-poo...
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:19 PM
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39. Kick
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Lucypher Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:28 PM
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40. Kick
I'm glad I am not the only one the types "Bushes" when I mean "Bush's"

Great article!!
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:36 PM
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41. OHIO DID NOT USE DIEBOLD
That is the state we needed
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:11 PM
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56. Ohio USED touchscreen machines. n/t
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:24 PM
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65. Why do people keep repeating that?
They absolutely did!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:11 PM
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107. I'm sick of stupid people...
Do some research.

"At least 35 counties in the state of Ohio have chosen to use a touch screen voting machine manufactured by Diebold, a company based in North Canton, Ohio."


http://www.gristforthemill.org/010418diebold.html

You can't spread disinformation on DU - this place is full of empiricists.

That shit only works on Freepers and fundies.

(Shit - I'm starting to talk like these guys!)
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:14 AM
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117. you need to get a better understanding perhaps
It is a little more complex and much more important than you are implying. We are talking about, in the words of Thomas Paine, the first principles of government, and our primary right - the right to vote.

You say "Ohio didn't use Diebold and we need Ohio"... therefore... ?

This is about a widespread pattern of suspicious results. It isn't so simple as what "we need" or Diebold or Ohio.

What we need - we the American people and future generations of American people - is restoration of the foundation of our freedom.

"The right of voting for representatives is the primary right by which other rights are protected. To take away this right is to reduce a man to slavery, for slavery consists in being subject to the will of another, and he that has not a vote in the election of representatives is in this case. The proposal therefore to disfranchise any class of men is as criminal as the proposal to take away property."

Thomas Paine
Dissertation on the First Principles of Government
1795
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch1...

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Richglo Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:41 PM
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42. STOLEN AGAIN!!!!!
BUSH STOLE THIS ONE AND WE MUST NEVER EVER EVER LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT!!!!!! WE NEED TO DRAG HIM DOWN LIKE THE DOG HE IS!!!!!!WE NEED TO GUMM UP ANYTHING HE TRIES AND MAKE THIS TERM A LIVING HELL!!!!!!!!!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:46 PM
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75. Turn about is fair play!

Even if we were on his case 24/7 it could not make up for what they have done to this country.

I refuse to sit quietly by and not express my thoughts that this election was stolen too!
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:26 PM
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46. They had to do this, it was the only way they steal it
We knew they would, we no there would be no paper trail like in past and they did it almost blatantly like all the other scams. I am not surprised and thanks for the Info. This makes feel a lot better knowing, because the numbers can't lie and get away with it :-)

:kick:
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:42 PM
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49. We have to get this out to the media
We have to get this out to the media, this is total fraud on a huge scale.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:00 PM
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53. From the information that blackboxvoting.org and other groups..........
It's is easy to ascertain that it all could have been done on a couple laptops. Doesn't even seem very complicated
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:15 PM
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57. You are probably already aware of Kevin Shelley's
antagonism to the Diebold machines after the last election and the recent "investigation" of Shelley by the SF Chronicle and the Sacramento Bee. We all know its retribution for his opposition to using those machines and this is a concerted effort to either get him out of office so the governor can replace him with a republican or to neutralize the office by freezing the voter funds.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:06 PM
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63. That's why we have to do it ourselves
Leave the public figures out there, like the flotsam and jetsam they have become :kick:
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:14 PM
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60. Kick
:kick:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:43 PM
Original message
kick
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:43 PM
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68. kick
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:34 PM
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66. Wasn't it much more than 8 million new voters?
I heard many, many stories about Republicans who had voted for Bush in 2000 but who were switching to Kerry on November 2nd. Bush perhaps obtained 8 million more votes in 2004 than he did in 2000, but I think it would be worth exploring how many votes he LOST from 2000 voters who had previously voted for him, but who voted for Kerry this time. I think his real number of new voters is much, much higher than 8 million.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:43 PM
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69. Only problem is doing that is effectively impossible...
I agree though that that would have happened.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:51 PM
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70. Thank you for the time you spent on this report. It looks like I will be
looking at this for awhile. I'll copy my son, a statistician.
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:44 PM
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72. Kick
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alpaca Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:00 PM
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73. kick
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:24 PM
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74. Putman Co. FL 123% increased vote for * in 2004? [from TableTalk-Salon]
http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?14@@.773a529d/115

This is interesting. Take Florida's Putnam County. According to 2000 Census data, Putnam County has 53,098 citizens who are age 18 and above. They are pretty middle of the road politically - last presidential election they gave Gore 12,107 votes, and gave Bush 13,457. The turnout as you can see was almost 50%

Forward to 2004. Let's optimistically assume that the new over-18 population has now grown to 58,000. How did they vote? Well, they gave Kerry 12,409 votes, and gave Bush 51,988 votes. For a total of 64,397 votes (not counting third party candidates). A nice, patriotic 123% turnout!

http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?14@@.773a529d/117

This is my own research, I got the numbers from various gov't websites. Spam this info if you like, I'm on the way home right now and when I get home I'll post source links to show you where I got the figures.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:04 PM
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76. Proof you shouldn't beleive all you read on the net
Putnam County

Bush 2004 18305
Kerry 2004 12,409

Bush 2000 13439

al
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:50 PM
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77. Yes - oops. Thanks - update from original author
http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?13@@.773a529d/126

Re: Putnam County -

I'm embarrased to say I erred with my figures - I accidently transposed Putnam County's Bush figures with Santa Rosa's Bush figures. I'm putting all this stuff on a spreadsheet and sometimes my mind goes faster than my fingers. Mi Apologia.

That being said we are still on the right track. Florida was stolen again and the popular vote was stolen.

I'm now going to see if the county tallies jibe with the state tallies.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:15 AM
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79. Kick
I have training in Statistics -- have done some research using statistics -- but am a bit rusty.

Might as well put some stat software to use and relearn some spreadsheet programs.

How do we make this very easy for the average person to understand -- chunk down the information into information easily swallowed?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:14 AM
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80. Have I kicked you lately?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:58 AM
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82. kick
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:44 AM
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84. and again
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:40 PM
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85. feel the burn!
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:21 PM
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89. Kick for America!
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:51 AM
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81. Are you getting this info to someone who can do something? n/t
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:41 PM
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87. fascinating
but let me say this Kerry got millions of more votes than Gore did as well...
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Willy Lee Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:18 PM
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88. kick for voter fraud
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:48 AM
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99. #5, to me, is very telling...
5. The remainder of my selection of states is broadly defined as "red states", they averaged 20% in terms of voting gain for bush. Notably both Kansas and Utah achieved % gains for bush below the national average. I am guessing here but I would have thought both states were "moral issue" based voter heavy.

This, to me, is indicative of just how badly Bush would've been beaten if they hadn't stolen votes. There base had eroded much more than grown - that mandate shit is just that, shit.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 03:10 AM
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101. That's because they are not even good liars
But of we all figured that out a while ago, didn't we


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:54 AM
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103. What was the increase for the 11 states that had the marriage
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 09:55 AM by lizzieforkerry
amendments on the ballots?
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:40 AM
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104. kick
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Expat_Kristen Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:42 AM
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106. ALTHE CAT - FLORIDA COUNTY BY COUNTY STATS
Hey there,

Okay, I just computed Florida county-by-county results for
Bush votes in 2000, 2004, difference, and precentage
difference. (I think this is what you wanted...)

First of all, in most counties Bush gained around 30-35% of
votes in this election than he had in 2000. 

His top 3 gains were in the following counties:

Sumter 63.2%
Osceola 64.3%
Dixie 64.37%

His least 3 gains were in the following counties:

Jefferson 8.45%
Miami-Dade 9.0%
Monroe 21.16%

Unfortunately, I didn't find any correlation between these
results and voting methods in those  counties. I'm not a
statistician, so maybe others can find more interesting
anamolies. I don't know how to explain the wide margins here
at all. 

County	       2004	2000	Difference	Gain
Alachua	       47,615	34,062	13,553	        0.39789207915
Baker	       7,738	5,610	2128	        0.37932263815
Bay	       53,388	38,682	14706	        0.38017682643
Bradford       7,553	5,413	2140	        0.39534454092
Brevard	       152,838	115,253	37585	        0.32610864793
Broward	       243,699	177,279	66420	        0.37466366575
Calhoun	       3,780	2,873	907	        0.31569787678
Charlotte      44,402	35,419	8983	        0.25362093791
Citrus	       39,498	29,801	9697	        0.32539176538
Clay           61,881	41,903	19978	        0.47676777319
Collier	       83,485	60,467	23018	        0.38067044834
Columbia       16,753	10,968	5785	        0.52744347192
DeSoto	       5,512	4,256	1256	        0.29511278195
Dixie	       4,433	2,697	1736	        0.64367816092
Duval          219,251	152,460	66791	        0.438088679
Escambia       93,367	73,171	20196	        0.27601098796
Flagler	       19,632	12,618	7014	        0.55587256301
Franklin       3,472	2,454	1018	        0.41483292584
Gadsden	       6,253	4,770	1483	        0.31090146751
Gilchrist      4,934	3,300	1634	        0.49515151515
Glades	       2,443	1,841	602	        0.32699619772
Gulf	       4,794	3,553	1241	        0.34928229665
Hamilton       2,792	2,147	645	        0.30041918957
Hardee	       5,047	3,765	1282	        0.34050464807
Hendry         5,756	4,747	1009	        0.21255529808
Hernando       40,137	30,658	9479	        0.30918520451
Highlands      25,874	20,207	5667	        0.28044736972
Hillsborough   244,606	180,794	63812	        0.35295419096
Holmes	       6,410	5,012	1398	        0.27893056664
Indian River   36,869	28,639	8230	        0.28737036908
Jackson	       12,115	9,139	2976	        0.32563737827
Jefferson      3,298	3,041	257	        0.084511673792
Lafayette      2,460	1,670	790	        0.47305389222
Lake	       74,382	50,010	24372	        0.48734253149
Lee	       144,414	106,151	38263	        0.36045821518
Leon	       51,594	39,073	12521	        0.32045146265
Levy	       10,408	6,863	3545	        0.51653795716
Liberty	       1,927	1,317	610	        0.46317388003
Madison	       4,196	3,038	1158	        0.38117182357
Manatee	       81,272	58,023	23249	        0.40068593489
Marion	       81,267	55,146	26121	        0.47366989446
Martin	       41,350	33,972	7378	        0.21717885317
Miami-Dade     358,613	328,867	29746	        0.090449938729
Monroe	       19,462	16,063	3399	        0.21160430804
Nassau	       23,732	16,408	7324	        0.44636762555
Okaloosa       69,654	52,186	17468      	0.33472578853
Okeechobee     6,987	5,057	1930	        0.38164919913
Orange	      192,390	134,531	57859	        0.43007931257
Osceola	       43,108	26,237	16871	        0.6430232115
Palm Beach     211,894	152,964	58930	        0.3852540467
Pasco	       103,198	68,607	34591	        0.50419053449
Pinellas       225,627	184,849	40778	        0.22060168029
Polk	       123,532	90,310	33222	        0.36786623851
Putnam	       18,305	13,457	4846	        0.36010997994
Santa Rosa	51,988	36,339	15659	        0.43091444454
Sarasota	104,630	83,117	21513	        0.25882791727
Seminole	108,126	75,790	32336	        0.42665259269
St. Johns	59,178	39,564	19614	        0.4957537155
St. Lucie	47,519	34,705	12814	        0.36922633626
Sumter	        19,795	12,127	7668	        0.6323080729
Suwannee	11,153	8,009	3144	        0.39255837183
Taylor	        5,466	4,058	1408	        0.34696895022
Union	       3,396	2,332	1064	        0.45626072041
Volusia	       111,544	82,368	29176	        0.35421522922
Wakulla   	6,777	4,512	2265	        0.50199468085
Walton	        17,553	12,186	5367	        0.44042343673
Washington	7,368	4,995	2373	        0.47507507508
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:32 PM
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108. Send voter fraud info to Cam Kerry!
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:03 AM
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125. From Cam Kerry
From Cam Kerry:

I am grateful to the many people who have contacted me to express their deep concern about questions of miscounting, fraud, vote suppression, and other problems on election day, especially in Florida and Ohio. Their concern reflects how much people care about the outcome of this election.

I want to you to know we are not ignoring it. Election protection lawyers are still on the job in Ohio and Florida and in DC making sure all the votes are counted accurately. I have been conferring with lawyers involved and have made them aware of the information and concerns people have given me. Even if the facts don't provide a basis to change the outcome, the information will inform the continuing effort to protect the integrity of our elections.

If you have specific factual information about voting problems that could be helpful to the lawyers doing their job, please send it to vri@dnc.org rather than to me.

The election protection effort has been important to me personally, and I am proud of the 17,000 lawyers around the country who helped. It's obvious that we have a way to go still, but their efforts helped make a difference. Their work goes on.

Thank you,
Cam Kerry
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 08:37 PM
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109. Do you have a statistical analysis for the strange #'s in CO?
I raised the question earlier today in this Thread





Why are those numbers for Kerry and Coors so similar?

Just a coincidence?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:51 AM
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111. Wow now there are some numbers THAT REALLY STAND OUT
I am going to have a damn hard job pulling all this together... Monday is the day though.

Goodnight
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:32 PM
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130. Pulling that kind of number game in Vegas will get you arrested
Bev and many others talked about how that was practice which was a real possibility of flipping the vote when they knew they were going to loose. It would make it easy and very low maintenance way of doing it. No muss no fuss.

The whole country wide election looks too complicated for them to pull this off across the board though. Must of been a variety of ways it was set up.

Complex things can often multiple reasons for failure, and who would know better than the people who built them?
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:53 PM
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114. No oddity here.
Colorado went for Bush the first time around, too. Overall, the state is more conservative than liberal, with the Denver and Boulder areas going democratic, but everywhere else (i.e., the rural population and conservative population in Colorado Springs) going republican. The state is changing rapidly, however, with the influx of people who are moving to CO from California.

The senate race didn't go to the republicans because Pete Coors is simply a doofus when it comes to politics. Plus, in local races there was a backlash against the very right-wing governor who's implemented policy after policy against the will of the people.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:40 PM
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112. Kick. This one should have been on the homepage. nt
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:23 AM
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119. No surprise to hear that Junior's #'s were padded in Texas & FL
I'm in Texas and I know Kerry had more support here than was reflected in the results. Not everyone in Texas is dumber'n dirt. We know better than most what he's about. But given the assumption that so many folks have that he is beloved here (**gag**), padding Texas' numbers would not make them look all that suspicious. Not unless someone did a detailed analysis of those numbers. ;)

As for Florida,.... Jeb. 'Nuff said.
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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:51 AM
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124. not Canada or Ireland...
we should take the states of Texas and Florida.
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 04:29 PM
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131. Completely agree about Tx
In 2000, Gore signs were a real rarity. In 2004, I saw Kerry signs all over the place and scattered around so-called Bush bastions. In 2000, you could get your tires slashed for having a Gore sign. In 2004, it was perfectly acceptable to support Kerry.

All our early voting machines in Tarrant County are Diebold Touchscreens and the mainstay of the precincts are Diebold optical scanners. This switch happened awhile ago....

I also firmly believe this is how they got rid of Cleland in GA.
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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:40 AM
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126. Hey this is the thread I said I was looking for
I found this last Thursday when you posted it and I wrote the stats out by hand. But I wrote how many extra votes Bush got in each of these states and the negatives for Calif. and Wash.

My teenagers in class got the significance of this immediately. If you just show the total increase in votes by blue states, swing states, red states (with emphasis on lack of large increase in Bible belt states like mine, Kansas, and Nebraska) and then show the negative votes for the two states who insisted on the paper trail...people get it and quickly.

great work
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:05 PM
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127. kick
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:13 PM
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128. kick
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:53 PM
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129. Kick for a true patriot ... althecat! nt
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:54 PM
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134. Big Kick!
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Debbie13 Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:57 PM
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135. Voting Fraud
Do you think Texas was probably ground zero for voting corruption?
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jdog Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:50 AM
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137. I gotta ask.
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 09:09 AM by jdog
Given the machine in Broward County that started counting backwards at 32,000, how many of those machines would have to be in place to reverse the results - that is, take away the 3.5 mil lead to Kerry? Why would the code in ONE machine be written that way and not in any others? And, is this just one or two lines of code in thousands on this machine? Do we have access to the programs for verification purposes?
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