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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:54 PM
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Report from Recount Observer, Lucas County, Ohio
Report from Recount Observer, Lucas County, Ohio
Emailed report from Lucas County, Ohio, Recount Observer:
I was a witness for the testing of the optiscan machines on Tuesday the 14th.

What is puzzling to me, after the tests of the scanners were finished, the witnesses were not allowed to compare the hand count results to the printed results from the scanners. The ballots, the hand count sheets and the printed tapes were all taken away, to another room, out of sight of any witnesses and about 40 minutes later, the director comes out and tells us everything checks out.

We go to lunch and when we come back, we find ourselves waiting in the lobby. Why? we were waiting for diebold to reprogram the scanners. What? Didn't they just verify that everything was on the up and up? What is the need to reprogram the scanners?

Also, during the testing process, one precinct, Sylvania 3, continuously had the test ballots spit back out at least 3 times for approximately 50% of them. During the election, how many times did this occur and what poll worker is going to stand there and continuosly feed the scanner to get it to scan 1 ballot? Therefore, how many of the ballots were put in the spoiled pile that were really not spoiled?

Another thing that was very interesting was the two people that I was witnessing actually did not know how to run the scanner. Are they the type of people that were the normal who were overseeing the election? am I crazy? What is wrong with this picture?

After witnessing the fiasco of a test recount being conducted at the lucas county government center, I am definitely for scrapping this election and having a re- vote. There isn't any other way we are going to get a legitimate election.


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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:57 PM
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1. cool
glad you could make the party!
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procinderella Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:59 PM
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2. More obstruction
These stories are what is going to bring down the White House. You think I'm exaggerating?

Watergate, Iran/Contra, the Clinton affair...these guys were all caught in the Obstruction of Justice, not the act.

Send this to Arnebeck.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:04 PM
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4. It's the cover up that gets 'em every time.
And I expect that Senators Kerry and Edwards know this much better than I.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 02:08 AM
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14. with the mounting numbers of obstruction
I would think that there is more than enough cause to invalidate the Ohio results without having to prove fraud. Que no?
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Lauri Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:04 PM
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3. That is really crazy.
You were supposed to be witnessing that the exact thing they stopped you from seeing - comparing the the hand count results to the printed results from the scanners. That is crazy.

I keep wondering how much fraud there can possibly be. Reprogramming and recalibrating scanners!!! This needs to be documented and used as evidence of tampering with election equipment.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:09 PM
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5. Thank you for posting these updates, Carolab!
This is the shit right here. I can't wait until it hits the fan!

:bounce:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:10 PM
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6. This is good news. The cover-up incidents are reaching critical mass.
The people can overlook one, two, three, four, five incidents. Then you start adding another coverup, then another, then another, and so on and so on.

Pretty soon, well, frankly, it begins to look like a cover-up, and once that duck starts walking and that duck starts quacking, it's going to be impossible to shut it up. People that just a couple weeks ago looked at me and rolled their eyes, are now asking me for updates on the situation.

So here's my message to the Ohio fraudsters: Bring 'em on. Cliff Arnebeck and crew are ready and waiting.
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KerryReallyWon Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:18 PM
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8. Very good point...
The behavior of these election officials is very revealing. Every where! We can't have this, and we can't look at that....why the hell not??
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:18 PM
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7. I sent it to kerry's attny and the Green's contact person
mctiguelaw@rrohio.com

and hhartus@yahoo.co

It may very well be on the Greens web page. I am simply trying to get the info in the right people's hands.

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wlubin Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:20 PM
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9. what is the link to that site that is listing all of the voter fraud
reports? sorry i can't ask this is new thread, it is saying that I have to be a donor in order to post.
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pleiku52cab Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:22 PM
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10. Was that position as a witness
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 10:24 PM by pleiku52cab
an official position for this recount - did they actually certify these results?
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:26 PM
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11. The stonewalling and cover-up is bigger news that any difference in votes.
I don't know how anyone could look at the pattern of stonewalling, cover-up, and violation of Ohio law regarding access to information and not be extremely suspicious.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:33 PM
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12. Carolab, thanks for posting that...I have one question.
Does anyone know if these witnesses are getting these shenannigans on tape (audio or video)?

We all know that these guys are crooks, thugs and amoral weasels. Furthermore, they are skilled at lying their arses off.

What's to stop them from saying that we're lying?

Is there proof of what they are doing?

Personally, I wouldn't go near any of this without one of those hats that has a hidden camera in it! There are continuous reports of horrendous acts.

I am really hoping that there are ways to prove what is really happening. They'll deny every scintilla of reality and somehow turn it back on us. We need to protect ourselves, with video/audio equipment so we have proof.

That's my biggest concern for all of these courageous people in the trenches, dealing with these third-rate, unAmerican thugs!
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 01:05 AM
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13. kick!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 02:20 AM
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15. Carolab, Thanks for the info
How many times have we heard stories of machines being reprogrammed, fixed, replaced and otherwise tampered with since Nov. 2 and during the recount?

"and then they fight you"
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