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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:18 PM
Original message
Blackwell Lockdown (thread 3)
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 09:21 PM by shraby
A story was posted this morning that said Blackwell had ordered the lockdown of Board of Election (BOE) records in Greene County Ohio.


Here is the original posting from "Twist_U_Up"
<http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwe... >

Subject: Blackwell Locks Down Ohio Voting Records Breaking news, more to come. This afternoon, two election volunteers working with the Ohio recount were denied further access to public voting records in Greene County Ohio. At the Greene County Board of Elections in Xenia, two California women working with the recount coalition (CASE and the Green party) were copying public records and requesting access to other voting records, per Ohio statute. The Board was told by Secretary of State Blackwell's office to deny any further access to voting records, a clear violation of statute. Apparently, the quote was: "These records are no longer public. There is a lockdown on all Ohio voting records." Ohio is no longer the Ukraine. Ohio is now Soviet bloc and Blackwell has made his office the Politburo

Also posted at Radio Left:
<http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2004/12/11/202... >

MORE NEWS FROM GREENE COUNTY OHIO:

I just spoke to Katrina Sumner who's cell phone is listed at the end of this story:
<http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/ohio-el... >

Katrina is at the Greene County BOE in Ohio right now. She said they got their early this morning to begin canvasing.

They noticed a light on in the building that was not on last night. They checked the door and the BOE in Greene County and it was unlocked. She suspects that it had been unlocked all night!

This would mean that the Voting Records that Mr. Blackwell "locked down" were available for anyone who decided to walk into the building during the night, according to Katrina.

She has sent the earlier story to her media contacts but this new information has not been reported because they are waiting on law enforcement and lawyers.

Stay tuned... it sounds like we will be hearing more soon.




The original thread is here:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >

2ND Thread here:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:22 PM
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1. Orders Must Be Coming From Karl Rove
After the Conyers forum on 12/8 and after the announcement of the next on one 12/13, Karl Rove MUST know that Dubya has only ONE chance of remaining in office: destroying the evidence. Naturally, that is not a sure-fire gambit since the affidavits have been signed and the calculations made but it is his only remaining one with ANY chance of success. What a shame!

Kerry's chances now look better with EVERY passing day!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Kick
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #2
53. Anyone have an update? Was the lockdown just for Greene County?
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:25 PM
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3. Update - Saturday 9 PM ET
First of all, I wrote Katrina's name as "Kristen" in an earlier post. I don't know what I was thinking.

We got cut off before we could finish the call but I hope this info will help. I wrote this up kind of fast so please excuse the mistakes.

One more thing, Katrina can only be contacted by cell phone right now so if you send email to the media then please include her cell phone number (937-608-5861) or they will have a difficult time confirming this story.

Katrina said that "I definitely have some very good news." but couldn't share it on advice of the attorney. If you read this closely you might be able to figure it out.

Here is the basic timeline of events:

Friday - Katrina, Joan and Eve arrive at Geeene County BOE to gather information needed to canvas African-American voters.

Friday, 3:30 PM Friday - Eve and Joan are informed that voter records are "locked down" and they have to stop viewing the records.

Friday, 10:30 PM - Katrina stops by the BOE to see if there is anything strange going on. All lights were off.

Saturday, 8:30 AM - Katrina, Joan and Eve are first to arrive at BOE. They notice that one lights in the building is on.
They check the door and it is unlocked. They enter the building and call out but no one is there so they leave the building.
A few minutes later, they enter the building again and "did something to make sure that other people could tell that no one was there."
(Katrina says that this may give us some hint as to the good news that she can't yet share.)

The local TV station WDTN Channel 2 (PBS or Link TV) and Xenia Gazette are contacted.

WDTN and Xenia gazette arrive at BOE and contact Law enforcement.

Saturday, 11:00 PM - Local law enforcement arrives and checks out the building. Law enforcement can't detect tampering with the door or inside the building.
Law enforcement contacts a locksmith who makes a new key for the door. The locksmith also claims that the door was not forced or picked. At least, we think it was a locksmith because the sign on the truck said "Heating and Air".

Saturday, 12:00 PM - Carol Garmin with BOE arrives. She is interviewed by WDTN and Xenia Gazette. She claims that the door was accidentally left unlocked. She can't explain how the light came on between Friday at 10:30 PM and Saturday at 8:30 AM.

Saturday afternoon - A call has gone out asking for people to help watch the BOE in Greene County 24 hours a day. They are using digital cameras with video capture in case anything else suspicious happens. If you can help in this effort, please contact Katrina at 937-608-5861. You can also contact Peter Jones at 937-320-9680. If you need a place to stay then Peter may be able to help. They need help watching this building. Please try to help if you can.

Here's a little more background:
Katrina says that they were canvasing the minority vote in Greene County because they new the day after the election that something was wrong. For example, Precinct 440 is an African American Precinct with two Universities each having about 1500 African-American students. The town in this precinct is also predominately African-American. According to their records there should be about 3200 registered African-American voters in this precinct. Yet the BOE only has 678 registered African-American voters. Also, in this precinct, Kerry only received a total of 58 votes. Based on these numbers they knew that the vote needed to be canvased.

That's all I was able to put together before we were cut off.
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thanatonautos Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. KICK!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Dang!
I want to know how they made sure no one else went in there. When will we find out the rest of the story?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. Question...What do you think the good news is?
Did they get somebody on video coming out?
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #9
36. Maybe they yelled FIRE!!! Hoping that someone would run out.
I can't wait to find out more.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #3
11. Can I copy your timeline to media e-mails?
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #11
25. Copy the Timeline if you want...
Just keep in mind that I haven't verified this entire story with independent sources... but then again, maybe it's not so bad for the press to start vetting this.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #25
35. Thanks-
In process of contacting Japan Times also.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #3
38. I wonder if they
left the door unlocked and hired some "good public employee" to trash the place destroying any records or evidence of fraud?
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #38
124. "good public employee" or plumbers? n/t
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #3
146. DON'T use digital cameras
The images can be altered and have less credibility than emulsion film. With slides or negatives, you have a hard copy that is difficult/impossible to alter and offers better resolution.
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pleiku52cab Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:33 PM
Response to Original message
6. It's really starting to amaze me
that the awol/blackwell machine in Ohio could get this many 'smallfries' in so many different locations to do their dirty work for them. Do we really have that many bigots and repug true believers running our election systems?
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Yes we do.
These people are brainwashed.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. Yes!
These lying cheating dumbasses will do anything and I do mean anything! It wouldn't suprise me if someone doesn't end up being killed over all this crap before everything is said and done. Especially if we get a whistleblower or two. Hell this shit reminds me of the Nixon administration and Watergate.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Killed.... There may be a war right here!
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. I'm telling you ....
Nothing and I do mean nothing would suprise me. The shit is going keep getting deeper and deeper. These are a bunch of lying, cheating, dirty ass people that will do anything to stay in power. I really believe that.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #19
119. The sad thing is, they get away with this crap!
Time and time again these criminals do whatever they want and get away with it. You watch -- somehow Blackwell will come out smelling like roses. Rove will see to that.

I really do hate these motherfuckers...
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #119
173. Not This Time. I Repeat Not This Time.
I fucking left the USA in 2002 because I did not want my daughter now age three a part of this shit. These fucks have pushed their last pawn/rook/bishop/queen and it isn't enough. Their strategy is BUST. Their King is in BIG jeopardy.

Cliff Arenbeck is about to show them the doors of hell. Rove is a punk ass fat fat fat TOAD. Fuck him. Greasy asshat. Yuck.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:38 PM
Response to Original message
8. I spoke with some from the GP in Ohio
He had gotten a call on his answering machine that people were needed to watch the BOE 24 hours a day but he can't confirm the rest of the story.
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delphine Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #8
43. What's interesting is that they wouldn't bother with
all of this if they didn't have something to hide.

Blackwell didn't "fix" this as seamlessly as he was paid off to do, so he's panicking.

He thinks he's gonna go the way of Witch Harris and get into congress, but the more he scrambles and fucks up the less chance there is of that.

The repukes will disavow him.

He messed up - because there are too many people watching.

The sad thing is that it's possible whatever tampering there might be has already happened during the night.

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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #43
79. He had a month to mess with things..why wait till now? Ideas?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #79
92. He arrogantly thought he could run out the clock.
And he almost did. Election skeptics are catching up in the closing minutes, though. Now anything can happen.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #92
108. I Sooooo Hope you are right! I just cannot imagine being that
DUMB. IF I were a bad guy....
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #43
132. Ever try to hide a dead horse in your basement?
Dead horse theory.

The stolen election is like a big dead horse. Sooner or later the stink will get to everybody.

Kerry People "What the hell is that smell?"
Bushists "Well, their is some smell but not enough to go to the basement
and look. Besides we have a terrorist warning, We love God, &
why do you hate the troops?
Fox News "Bill Clinton Horse Killer?"
Mainstream Media "More coverage of the Peterson trial."

:kick: :bounce:
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Chelsea Patriot Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #43
149. Katherine Blackwell is no Katherine Harris!
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #149
160. no, more like Wormtongue from Lord ot the Rings.
Kenneth 'Wormtongue' Blackwell. Let's hope he meets the same fate as that namesake.
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #149
174. Chelsea You Nailed It
Harris is a bitch from fucking hell and ugly to boot but the cooze has some smarts. Blackwell is what I'd call woefully inept IOW a fucking retard. Bush Co is going to rue the day they put Blackwell into the mix. He just Keriked the election fraud. Ruh Roh. Bad move GOP.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:42 PM
Response to Original message
10. This isn't an isolated incident of not allowing the public to view the
election records. I've watched a 90 minute videotape of the 11-13 Public Hearings in Ohio and at least three people in it have claimed they were denied access to the voting records per order of Blackwell.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #10
86. Remember Volusia? Same thing there too
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:46 PM
Response to Original message
13. What the fook! Why wasn't someone watching 24/7 already....
We already know they're FUCKING CHEATERS AND THEIVES AND LIARS.....
I hope someone was smart enough to know that this was going to happen and has been videoing 24/7. Someone needs to fucking camp! Come on people. Shit do I have to fly to Ohio!
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. LMAO
Your statement is so true but I couldn't help but laugh. You would think they would have this under surveillence 24/7 already. Hell they know these people are running around like a bunch of damn chickenhawks trying to cover their asses. Hell anything can happen.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. unfuckingbelievable!!!!!!
Sonsabitches!
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #16
161. Maybe they did and someone will say, 'let's go to the videotape......"
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #13
39. Too many to watch, unfortunately.
Where are you going to get the literally thousands of volunteers needed to do this--staying up all night, blowing off work, etc.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:48 PM
Response to Original message
15. kick kick kick
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:51 PM
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17. About the unlocked door...
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 10:13 PM by RevCheesehead
I've been wondering if this was a set-up to lend "plausible deniability."

If I were Blackwell (gag), I would tell the person at BOE to take the books home and leave the door unlocked. No evidence of fraud. No records to examine: they were stolen.

Or, leave the books there and leave the door unlocked. Any irregularities found could be blamed on the "mysterious intruder" who entered after hours and "planted false evidence of fraud."

Very disturbing indeed.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. I wonder
if the police took any fingerprints!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:56 PM
Response to Original message
20. Last Update Tonight - 9:45PM
Katrina called me back to finish the call.

Yes, they still need people to help watch the building tonight. If you live near Greene County then please call Katrina at 937-608-5861.

Just one last important snippet for tonight:
This relates to the "very good news" that Katrina can't yet tell us...

The BOE Director for Greene County, Carol Garmin(or Darman), was interviewed on video by LinkTV today. The voter records at the Greene County BOE are kept in the basement. The Director stated in the video interview that the door to the basement was locked and that no one could have tampered with the voting records even if the outside door had been left unlocked.

Katrina says that there is evidence that will show "that's 'show' not just claim" that the statement by the Director could not be true. Keep in mind that the media got there before the BOE Director did.

The BOE does not have a security system or any video surveillance equipment.

The BOE Director also said that someone with the BOE computer staff was going to make sure that no electronic tampering had been done. At this time, Katrina has not seen anyone show up to look at the computer equipment but maybe they were doing that by remote.

A county truck also came into the parking lot and left while I was talking to her at about 8:30 CT. Why would a county truck be at the BOE this late? Who knows.

The attorney that Katrina has been talking to "several times today" is none other than Cliff Arnebeck.

That's all for tonight unless something new happens. Katrina says she will call if there is any news.

Thanks to everyone that kept me going on this today!

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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. awesome
feels reassuring that Cliff Arnebeck knows about this.

Thank you for all the updates.
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #26
118. Kerry won get over it...that looks great
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #118
144. I second that!
Kerry won, get over it!
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. If Arnebeck is on it,
then I am happy as a clam.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #20
30. Thank you!
Thank you! Thank you for the updates.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. at least it was Arnebeck
that makes me feel a little better about this situation, but I can't get over this quesy feeling that this is some sort of a set-up.

I think the door was left unlocked purposely, that they (BOE) suspected the volunteers would be returning Saturday morning, that they wanted them to enter the unlocked building.

So, when the data doesn't fit, they can claim either:

1) unknowns entered and tampered with it or
2) the people who found the bldg unlocked did it

Worst case, BOE people get their hands slapped for "accidentally" failing to lock a door (is that a crime?)

It's even *worse* if there's evidence that the data in the basement was not secured! Same scenario applied. At least if it were truly locked and secure, no claims of tampering could be made.
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #31
109. Hiya Dot!
Good to see ya posting here! I just got in a while ago, and am catching up on all of this. Whoa... and Wow! I hear ya on your queasy feeling. ugh

Thanks to all who've been following up on this and reporting here (especially you, dzika!). It's much appreciated.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #20
167. That's good news that she's been talking to Arnebeck n/t
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:56 PM
Response to Original message
21. This Crap is just mind blowing
:grr:Isn't there somebody that we can call? The FBI or State Police and have Blackwell Thrown in Jail? :mad:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. They "own" the FBI
so outa luck there.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Is it just me and my imagination or...........
Does this shit remind you of Watergate. With this f*cked up neocon chimp and his neocon administration, this damn war that is another Vietnam all over, and now all this shit that is looking like another Watergate in some respects. Hell it's as if we are having a damn flash back of the 70's. :hippie:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #29
44. We need Martha mouthpiece to fess up on somebody!
:headbang: :hippie:
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #29
46. Yes, there is that distinct whiff in the air... n/t
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #29
55. I'll second that. n/t
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #21
95. We need Jimmy Carter out front in a pick up with a shot gun.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #95
110. and a big yellow dawg!
or if you prefer, the Big Dawg!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:01 PM
Response to Original message
24. kick
:kick:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:07 PM
Response to Original message
28. I bet I know what they did!
My guess is they either cleaned all of the door handles and door knobs, so if someone left, they would good clean finger prints or set up video cameras inside all the exit doors. :think:

Comments?

Also, not seeing any coverage on CNN or CNN Headline "News" :mad:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #28
40. From Katrina's hints
that sounds about right...
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #28
41. Maybe So!
Regardless of what it is, I'm actually thankful the evidence was gotten by someone other than Bev this time, so it actually has a shot of getting into the hands of the MSM!
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idealista Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #28
48. maybe they opened all the window blinds - open house! n/t
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #28
56. I'm pretty sure I know.

And it is best to stay vague about it. If you put the reports all together, reading carefully and comparing sentences, you can probably figure it out.


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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #56
67. Well, they had video cameras with them.
I imagine they did a walk-thru of the building, noting which doors were unlocked or secure.

Call it CSI: Ohio
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #56
68. I agree
I think I know as well, and if anyone else figures it out it is best not to discuss it.
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thanatonautos Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:02 AM
Response to Reply #56
129. Agree it's not hard to guess and better to stay vague n/t
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:14 PM
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32. I smell trouble, or is it the smoke from the gun?
Votergate in person.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:14 PM
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33. If I were the first to arrive on the scene, I'd pull the fire alarm.
I am so disturbed that it took the police over 2 hours to respond! Good lord, doesn't anybody CARE anymore??
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. kick it kick it good!
:kick:
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delphine Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Unfortunately that
might have set off the sprinklers.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #33
42. Might set off the sprinklers and ruin the votes.
Or is that what you had in mind???? hmmmmmmmmm
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Why do you presume there were sprinklers?
This building didn't even have SECURITY CAMERAS, for heaven's sake!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #47
60. OH... Well someone may have run into the building with a hose if they
are stupid enough not to have been watching the building 24/7 already! With good video cameras!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #47
72. Generally sprinkler systems work off of heat...
Not the alarm. Each head has a vial that blocks the water flow from the head. When it gets to a certain temp, there are different vials for different temps, the liquid expands enough to shatter the vial and starts the water.

There is such a thing as a deluge sprinkler system, but in general they are only installed in industrial areas like Foundries.

-Hoot

Central State U. Students, send an email to ohvotefraud@yahoo.com
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #72
76. Well thanks for that info dude.... I'll remember that.
LOL
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. For the next time you storm a BOE? :-)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:37 PM
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82. Yeah sure....
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #33
50. You would at least think the police would, especially after the way the
Chimp has screwed them over the last 4 effin' years!!!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #33
74. It didn't take the Police 2 hours to get there
If Katrina got there at 8:30, they probably called the press by 9:30 or 10:00. She says that the press actually called the police and the police got there around 11:00.

I just didn't have a chance to get a detailed timeline from her.

It probably didn't take the police longer than an hour to get there.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #33
96. False alarms are illegal. Probably not a good idea.
eom
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:27 PM
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45. kick
:kick:
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moonkat Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:31 PM
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49. good news, bad news ...
good - they are acting as if they are guilty;
bad - they destroyed the evidence

now, its not a matter of whether they are guilty but of what they can be convicted. the crime of violating Ohio voting law is a lesser offense than the treason which is actually being committed in subverting democracy.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:32 PM
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51. Anyone have an update? Was the lockdown just for Greene County?
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #51
75. The quote from the original story said:
On Friday December 10 two certified volunteers for the Ohio Recount team assigned to Greene County were in process recording voting information from minority precincts in Greene County, and were stopped mid-count by a surprise order from Secretary of State Blackwells office. The Director Board of Elections stated that "all voter records for the state of Ohio were "locked-down," and now they are not considered public records."

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2004/12/11/202...

I haven't heard any additional info about the rest of the state.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. You would think after this type of behavior that Ohio election totals
would be null and void and Ohio should get a new statewide election?
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:33 PM
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52. Carole Garman's interview with Xenia Gazette.
http://xeniagazette.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSection...


Elections board prepares for recount

JOHN W. URSCH
Staff Reporter

GREENE COUNTY The regular meeting of the Greene County Board of Elections will be held Wednesday at 9 a.m.

At that time, the board will be conducting a requested recount of the Nov. 2 presidential candidates.

The recount will encompass slightly more than three percent of all ballots in Greene County, said Executive Director Carole Garman.

Three teams will recount three precincts from Beavercreek, Fairborn and Yellow Springs totaling 2,446 ballots, she said.

"When all three are proven to be correct, then every ballot will be sent through the reader for the final count," Garman said.

Garman has presided over more than 10 recounts, she said.

"The one good thing that will come out of this is that the vote totals of the final official count recently taken are true and clear," Garman said.

Friday at the Greene County Board of Elections, workers were finishing the absentee voters' list and checking envelopes to verify return dates, said Administrative Assistant Betsey Crawford.

"We do this to make sure absentee ballot records are correct," she said.
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #52
59. this was on the Gazette website before all the events of today
somehow I don't think she's going to be so nice and cheery in the next interview
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #52
62. They're preparing alright!
Theiving packrats!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #52
77. Thanks mdb
That's the first real media I have seen regarding Greene County. I'm still wondering why the "lockdown" story hasn't made the press.

Maybe they are waiting for Blackwell to make a comment on Monday? Maybe this is another "hold the story for a few days" request like they did with CBS and the Iraq prison scandal.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:37 PM
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57. Japan Times this is what I wrote
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 10:38 PM by rumpel
Dear Editor:

This is breaking news, regarding the Ohio (USA) presidential election recount.
As you may already know, US Congressman Conyers (D) Minority Chair of the House Judiciary Commitee held a forum this past week regarding election irregularities, which was televised on C-Span. The 3 hour forum can be viewed on http://www.cspan.org
There will be another forum in Ohio organized by the Democratic House Judiciary Committee on Monday at 10:30am.

As of mid day today 12/11/04 the following problem has occured:

From
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Here is the basic timeline of events:
Friday - Katrina, Joan and Eve arrive at Geeene County BOE to gather information needed to canvas African-American voters.
Friday, 3:30 PM Friday - Eve and Joan are informed that voter records are "locked down" and they have to stop viewing the records.
Friday, 10:30 PM - Katrina stops by the BOE to see if there is anything strange going on. All lights were off.
Saturday, 8:30 AM - Katrina, Joan and Eve are first to arrive at BOE. They notice that one lights in the building is on.
They check the door and it is unlocked. They enter the building and call out but no one is there so they leave the building.
A few minutes later, they enter the building again and "did something to make sure that other people could tell that no one was there."
(Katrina says that this may give us some hint as to the good news that she can't yet share.)
The local TV station WDTN Channel 2 (PBS or Link TV) and Xenia Gazette are contacted.
WDTN and Xenia gazette arrive at BOE and contact Law enforcement.
Saturday, 11:00 PM - Local law enforcement arrives and checks out the building. Law enforcement can't detect tampering with the door or inside the building.
Law enforcement contacts a locksmith who makes a new key for the door. The locksmith also claims that the door was not forced or picked. At least, we think it was a locksmith because the sign on the truck said "Heating and Air".
Saturday, 12:00 PM - Carol Garmin with BOE arrives. She is interviewed by WDTN and Xenia Gazette. She claims that the door was accidentally left unlocked. She can't explain how the light came on between Friday at 10:30 PM and Saturday at 8:30 AM.
Saturday afternoon - A call has gone out asking for people to help watch the BOE in Greene County 24 hours a day. They are using digital cameras with video capture in case anything else suspicious happens. If you can help in this effort, please contact Katrina at 937-608-5861. You can also contact Peter Jones at 937-320-9680. If you need a place to stay then Peter may be able to help. They need help watching this building. Please try to help if you can.
Here's a little more background:
Katrina says that they were canvasing the minority vote in Greene County because they new the day after the election that something was wrong. For example, Precinct 440 is an African American Precinct with two Universities each having about 1500 African-American students. The town in this precinct is also predominately African-American. According to their records there should be about 3200 registered African-American voters in this precinct. Yet the BOE only has 678 registered African-American voters. Also, in this precinct, Kerry only received a total of 58 votes. Based on these numbers they knew that the vote needed to be canvased.

For further information please contact :
Katrina can only be contacted by cell phone right now her cell phone number (937-608-5861) to confirm this story.

Sincerely,

xxx
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:38 PM
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58. Oh, come on, that sounds like some third rate burglary...um...I mean...
:7
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. Ohhh! LOL!!! Can anyone say Watergate redux? n/t
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #61
85. Anyone remember who was the head of the RNC when Watergate took place?
George H.W. BUSH! :think:

Coincidence?

I think NOT. :mad:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #85
111. After which he was rewarded with the CIA Director post.
Kinda helps tie it up nicely, doesn't it?
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:43 PM
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63. Talk about guilt
Maybe Blackwell feels safer behind bars, surely this is criminal?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #63
87. This is not just Criminal
:grr:I think this would qualify as TREASON! :mad:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:45 PM
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64. kick
:kick:
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:48 PM
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65. 3 "Coincidences" in 24 Hours = Enemy Action
Within less than 24 hours, 3 "coincidences" occurred:

1. Suspicious records are found in Greene county

2. Blackwell declares a lockdown

3. Building is penetrated overnight

Like they say in spy novels:

The first time is circumstance
The second time is happenstance
The third time is enemy action
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. "Enemies" - Yes, that's exactly how I would refer to these fascists thugs!
Especially, DOMESTIC Enemies!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:50 PM
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66. kick
:kick:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:01 PM
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70. kick
:kick:
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:02 PM
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71. DU Kicks Butt !
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:11 PM
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73. kick
:kick:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #73
78. thanks for the posts all. Whow--what next!!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:31 PM
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81. kick
:kick:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:39 PM
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83. kick
:kick:
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. kick n/t
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #83
88. Would You PLEASE Stop POSTING those STUPID Kicks
:grr:This is far too important to have someone screwing around here! :mad:
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #88
90. Ummm.... they're only preventing the thread from dropping off page 1....
Up2late -- better go get some sleep...
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #88
97. kick.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #88
139. HaHaHaHA
What A Riot. What A Contradiction.

"Hey, this thread is too damn important! Will You PLEASE stop kicking it so that it can disappear into oblivion in the back pages!"

What a riot.


Kick.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #139
163. It took me awhile to find out what the kicks were, maybe up2late didn't
know what they were for.

Meanwhile,

Kick!!! :kick: :kick: :kick:
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #163
177. kick
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:00 AM
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89. 4th Coincidence: Arnebeck's Lawsuit Filing Monday
Blackwell might have decided that breaking the law (locking down the records) was a risk worth taking to keep incriminating evidence out of Arnebeck's hands before he files on Monday.

Question is - how long can he maintain the lockdown, and will there be a ruling from the Ohio Supremes on Arnebeck's suit before Blackwell is forced to relent?

This just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #89
91. Apparently Blackwell wants to
stop the recount.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #91
93. apparently blackwell is gonna be
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #91
94. Is this one of 88 counties that should be watched?
There are just 88 that need to be watched, right? Can Satellite work at night? I'm surprised they haven't been watched all this time.

trudyco
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #91
121. Now I remember Blackwell saying over and over that the
recount would go on as soon as the vote was certified. Remember. He said the 3rd parties WOULD get their recount. Gee, is Blackwell a FLIP-FLOPPER TOO?
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Red State Blues Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:40 AM
Response to Reply #91
125. You Think!?
"Apparently Blackwell wants to stop the recount."

You Think!?
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #89
112. Another question:
If Blackwell's lockdown is in fact illegal, doesn't it stand to reason on Monday morning an Ohio judge will put an end to the lockdown?
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mackdaddy Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:21 AM
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98. Xenia is home to Triad GSI who programmed the Tabulators
for 41 Ohio counties including Greene. Is that a Fourth coincidence?
It looks like Triad may also offer database services for many county BOEs to keep their voter registration data for them.

Does any one have any technical information or instruction sheets on the Triad Tabulators? There is quite a bit out there on the Diebold Gems tabulators, but they are not used in most of Ohio. Any information on Triad or their tabulators would be useful as we do the recounts here in Ohio.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #98
143. I don't have much info.
But Susan Truitt said on the Conyers committee that triad could be used to tabulate optical scanned, touch screen and punch card ballots. Kind of puts a lot of power in the tabulator manipulators.
See: Rove in the white house with a bank of computers.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:23 AM
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99. I'm gone for a day and a half and see what I miss!!!
Holy Shit.
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imaginary girl Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:29 AM
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100. It concerns me that "they" are picking the 3% of votes to compare
with the machine counts. Anyone know for sure how they selected those areas?

And couldn't they select areas in which they didn't mess with the vote? If so, wouldn't a recount just give the same totals as before?

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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #100
102. It says "randomly" selected
It is also very unlikely that the recount would give the same total as the machine count. This rarely happens even when everything is on the up and up.
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imaginary girl Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #102
104. Yes, I know it "says" randomly selected,
but that would be pretty difficult to know, wouldn't it?
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #104
105. Here's my thought.
Seems to me that the precinct(s) would have to be truly randomly selected--using a random number tables or something, with the observers present--otherwise you could challenge the count as violating the provisions in the Ohio constitution. Hopefully the Cobb/Badnarik group has thought all of that through and is prepared to challenge any selection process that isn't truly random.
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #105
107. And to follow-up on my other point...
...even if they deliberately chose precincts they felt were "safe" for a recount, it's very unlikely that a hand count would yield exactly the same totals. There are almost always votes that can be discerned in a handcount that didn't get counted by the machines.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #105
150. I've been harping on this point too...
In my dreams, I see some variation of that scene from "The Untouchables" where the Capone-bought jury is replaced at the last minute...
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #104
106. A random selection would likely miss the ones where strange noted already
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 01:15 AM by berniew1
But the official recount is unlikely to catch most of the ways that fraud would occur since they only do hand recount of 3% of precincts and don't do audits of the computer counting software at precincts or county, and that doesn't include comparison of precinct logbooks to official counts. Most of the fraud is being found by other individuals looking at the logbooks to see if lots of signatures in same handwriting; or in number of signatures match the official total; or the official percentages make sense for the voters who signed in; or irregularities in absentees, or quirky results indicating glitches or possible fraud; this has to be done by someone outside of the actual official recount.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:33 AM
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101. Kick!! n/t
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:01 AM
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103. This settles it. We're all stuck in a very cheesy mystery novel.
The kind that starts off with the unique, "It was a dark and stormy night..."

If anyone actually made a movie of these events, it would be panned relentlessly for being so incredibly banal.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #103
113. kick.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #103
114. LOL, you are so right!
Colonel Mustard did it in the study with the candlestick! :silly:

I say impeach blackwell!
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #114
136. I'll tell you what I'd like to do...
to Miss Blackwell in the parlor with that candlestick....
Nah-better not....Repugs TOUGH on porn...
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #136
145. nah, repukes pretend to be tough on porn, they actually are
the one's that get off it more than others - blackwell would enjoy that too much
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #114
164. Most def, impeach Kenneth Katherine Harris Wormtongue Blackwell !!!
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KeireG Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:04 AM
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115. When?
When will we hear about the "good news"?
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senegal1 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #115
117. kick
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:11 AM
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116. Contact the Media
This was posted in the previous threads but I wanted to remind everyone to try to get this story out. Please tell anyone that you contact that Katrina Sumner can be contacted on her cell phone at 937-608-5861. They can also contact Peter Jones at 937-320-9680. Joan Quinn can be contacted at 916-396-9714. Any of these people should be able to vouch for the this story.

There have been a lot of great suggestions. Please excuse me for not mentioning the author of each suggestion.


DU MEDIA BLASTER:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blast...

and this is a large list of national media sources http://www.rumormillnews.com/MEDIA_EMAIL_ADDRESSES.htm


INTERNATIONAL MONITORS:
Tell them we need for them to issue a strong statement to the international and US press.
Tell them:
1) The issue is not over because Kerry conceded; we, the citizens of the US, have a right for the world to know that our election was fraudulent.
2) The Bush administration is stonewalling our efforts to get at the truth.
Beg them!!!!
Urdur.Gunnarsdottir@odihr.pl
nell@fairelection.us

and write Danish Reporter because he has access to some of them:
bo.elkjaer@eb.dk

Mention the connection between Greene County and Triad if it is something you know about.


CONTACT BLACKWELL:
I have just updated Blackwell action to reflect this new info
http://www.stolenelection2004.com/alerts.html#blackwell

Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell
Email: blackwell@sos.state.oh.us
Phone: (614) 466-2585 (New)Fax: (614) 644-0649
TOLL FREE: 1 877 767 3453

You can also contact Ohio media
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/?command=...

C. You can contact the Ohio Governor at http://governor.ohio.gov/contactinfopage.asp phone: 1614 466-3555

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:18 AM
Response to Reply #116
122. Has anyone sent this story to Reuters? AP? UPI?AFP?BBC?
:hi:I just searched the Reuters site, for this story, over the last 2 days and found nothing. :shrug:Checked the BBC too, nothing.

Most of the MSM won't touch a story, unless it's in the Wire Services.

:shrug:And do you have a full list of links for all the bits and pieces of this story, for all the lazy MSM folks?
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:23 AM
Response to Reply #122
123. This might help
..."The BOE Director for Greene County, Carol Garmin(or Darman), was interviewed on video by LinkTV today. The voter records at the Greene County BOE are kept in the basement."
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:47 AM
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120. Updated Info on Daily Kos
Here is a story and link you can send to the media.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/12/1633/6877

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Locked-Down Ohio Poll Records Left in Unlocked Building

DAYTON Saturday December 11, 2004

-snip-
Greene County election records that were the subject of Secretary of
State Blackwell's personal lockdown order on Friday December 10 were
left vulnerable in an unattended, unlocked Board of Elections
office. According to Joan Quinn and Eve Roberson, two election
observers researching voting records, revisited the office the next
morning to find the building unlocked and unoccupied.

-snip-
The records taken from Quinn and Roberson's hands on Friday stood in
an unlocked Board of Elections office Saturday morning, apparently
overnight. Several observers arrived Saturday morning, noticing cars
in the parking lot, and looked for officials in the office, but
found nobody in the unlocked building. Law enforcement and media
contacts had been alerted and were at the site before County
officials arrived. Deputy Director of Elections Lynn McCoy arrived
later and stated that all election records were still "locked down"
and remained unavailable to the public. However, metal boxes with
sealed locks had been stacked in the unlocked basement immediately
accessible to the unlocked entrance. The Deputy Director would not
confirm that these boxes contained original ballots.


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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:14 AM
Response to Reply #120
127. Just as I thought.... They are fixing the ballots as well
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #120
165. Now, you've got to wonder if they've already switched the ballots and the
ones found are the substituted ones. My head is spinning, why wasn't someone watching these people every minute since November 2nd? I've got to hope someone really was and we just don't know about it yet.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:09 AM
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126. from # 52
Three teams will recount three precincts from Beavercreek, Fairborn and Yellow Springs totaling 2,446 ballots, she said.

"When all three are proven to be correct, then every ballot will be sent through the reader for the final count," Garman said.

WHEN ALL THREE ARE PROVEN TO BE CORRECT..!?!?!?!?!!?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:34 AM
Response to Reply #126
128. Are those the ballots in the basement?
Maybe they got corrected.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:35 AM
Response to Reply #128
130. Garman is the BOE Director for Greene County
Carol Garman is the BOE Director for Greene County. Greene County BOE stores the ballots in the basement. So, maybe the votes have been "corrected".

I'm pretty certain that there were not any ballot "corrections" on Saturday Night/Sunday morning as I spoke for several hours with the person that was watching over the Greene County BOE building all night. The Sheriff also stopped by several times last night to check on the building.

I actually have audio recordings of the Sheriff stopping several times to check on our faithful BOE watchers. I just switched on the recording in case something strange happened... but it didn't. Besides having very tired volunteers, nothing really happened last night in Greene County.

It's sad that we have to watch building to know that nothing happened. The Sheriff was not even aware that Ohio was doing a recount. In fact, the Sheriff said he voted for B*. No surprise there.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #130
131. k-k-k-k-k-kick
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:07 AM
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133. just sent about 90 emails
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 08:10 AM by anamandujano
a variety of press & political organizations here and around the world--and about 10 senators
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #133
134. Daily Kos is blasting the media also.
They have a bunch of email addys for them to use on their site.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:20 AM
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135. The unlocked door is damning...
After a few hours of sleep, I think that the "unlocked door" looks damning for Blackwell and his minions but I think that it may not be the *real* story here.

The real story might just be the reason that they went Greene County in the first place. Consider the following paragraph from an earlier post:

Here's a little more background:
Katrina says that they were canvasing the minority vote in Greene
County because they new the day after the election that something
was wrong. For example, Precinct 440 is an African American Precinct
with two Universities each having about 1500 African-American
students. The town in this precinct is also predominately African-
American. According to their records there should be about 3200
registered African-American voters in this precinct. Yet the BOE
only has 678 registered African-American voters. Also, in this
precinct, Kerry only received a total of 58 votes. Based on these
numbers they knew that the vote needed to be canvased.


Kerry only had 58 votes?!?!

The fact is that by Nov. 3rd they were pretty sure that fraud occurred in the county. Katrina said that if they had a chance to make photo copies of the voter records before the lock-down then "we would be in a lot better shape".

The "unlocked door" story really happened but I think that the story is the fraud that occurred in Greene County on Nov. 2nd.

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thanatonautos Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #135
138. Yes. I noticed those numbers, too. Do they exist on the net somewhere?
Or is this information only something based on their records.

I looked for the Greene County precinct level canvass sheet on the
net, but so far only have found the county wide results.

I'm hoping that in the few hour Katrina et al. had with the
records that they copied the names of a lot of
African-Americans, who they can now go and ask personally
how they voted.

If something like 620 witnesses could be added to Cliff
Arnebeck's lawsuit, I think it might help meet the threshhold
for the case to go forward.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #138
141. I have only heard these number from Katrina.
But I haven't been looking. I don't know if they are on the net or where. I'll try to find out the next time we talk, though.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #135
148. I bet you could find 60 black people in the County to verify their vote.
It's a small number. Run an ad in the newspaper. YOu'll probably get hundreds. Changing the ballots would be tougher if this happened.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #148
152. kick n/t
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #135
159. I just thought of another possibility re: the unlocked door.
The BOE person complies with Blackwell's directive to "lock it down," and removes the books. Those in the office know the GLIBS will show up the next morning. Knowing in their heart that there is massive fraud, they decide to leave the info in the office, and conveniently forget to lock the door...not to be devious, but to be helpful.

They have to follow the directive from above, but they can also conveniently look the other way. "What? What door? Who was supposed to lock the door? Uh, it was an accident. Yeah! That's it! An accident!"

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #159
166. Oh boy, I hadn't even considered that
But you're right, that is a plausible scenario IF the BOE people are sympathetic to the recount cause.

What a horrible irony, though, huh? The recount people are just too honest to take advantage of such an opportunity, even when handed to them on a silver platter!

Of course, I can think of other parties who wouldn't be so conscientious... not naming names or anything ::cough:: Rove ::cough::

Had it been me, I would have also called the police on the unlocked building and not have taken the golden opportunity to photograph the "evidence" that I had in my hands the day before.

Some people are just *too* honest. (thank god)
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:38 AM
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137. "Locked Door" story in Dayton Daily News
"Locked Door" story make Dayton Daily News

I believe that this story came from the Xenia Gazette who was at the Greene County BOE yesterday along with WDTN Ch. 2 (LinkTV).

http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localn...

Greene County elections board scrutinized
Office containing ballots found unlocked overnight
by Michael Srivastava email: msrivastava@DaytonDailyNews.com
Dayton Daily News

-snip-
XENIA | Election observers examining Greene County voter records were told Friday
the records were to be sealed after Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell ordered
county boards of election to consider all election-related records as falling
within a "canvassing period."

This period usually lasts about 10 days after the election, but was being
extended because an official recount is under way in the state, according to
Blackwell spokesman Carlo LoParo.

LoParo said the records are to be treated with the "utmost care" until the
recount is over.

The two election observers say they later found the Greene County Board of
Elections office unlocked Saturday morning, fueling their suspicions they weren't
allowed to examine records that might have been tampered with.

"It is shocking that they would first deny us access, and then leave the records
unlocked overnight," said Joan Quinn, a retired lawyer from Sacramento, Calif.,
an election observer acting on behalf of the Green Party, which asked for a
recount of the Ohio presidential vote.

-snip-
But Quinn and her colleagues say that when they entered the unlocked building,
voting machines and voter records had been left in the open.

Quinn said that she and her fellow observer were looking into the low turnout
recorded in minority precincts, especially precincts 354, 224, and 355, which
recorded voter turnouts in the 50 percent range, while the average for Greene
County was 74 percent. While examining those records, she said, they were
informed of the "lockdown" order.

"I haven't heard anything about it," said Fred Hall III, president of the Greene
County elections board.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
140. "Why is my R* party in Ohio stalling and fighting the recount?"
An interesting post on ChuckHerrin.com Blog:
(emphasis is mine)

http://www.chuckherrin.com/main.htm

-snip-
My thought for 12/12/2004
Some Conservatives just can't stay mad at George Bush - he's kind of like the retarded guy in your neighborhood you broke your window last year. He just keeps screwing up, and you want to be mad at him, but you know that bless his heart, he just can't help it.

Why is my Republican party in Ohio stalling and fighting the recount? What's the harm in counting all the votes? What is the POSSIBLE harm in counting the votes - they already made the Greens and them pay for it!

We have a chance, right now, to show that the election is legitimate and end all of the furor and screaming from the left. What's the harm in counting all of the votes if Bush won legitimately?

He did win legitimately, right?

Right?

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:41 AM
Response to Original message
142. kick
:kick: I'm outa here....Protest time!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:35 AM
Response to Original message
147. As it is in flagrant contravention
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 12:15 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
of a specific current law prohibiting such actions, would it not be possible to find a friendly policeman to be handy, while somone makes a "citizen's arrest", to hand over to him?

It's not just a smoking gun. He's carrying it around, all the time, firing it! Read this:

http://www.geocities.com/s911surprise1/memorandum_of_la...

It would be like seeing Haman strung up on the gallows he'd had erected for Mordecai in the Book of Esther.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #147
151. kick n/t
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #151
157. A pipe-dream, of course,
and Seventh Heaven, but imagine Al Gore and Bill Clinton frogmarching Kathleen out of the building, into the custody of a police officer!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #151
158. kick n/t
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:28 PM
Response to Original message
153. Just sent whole story to Detroit Free Press
Major paper in Michigan and Ohio.

Editor: Ron Dzwonkowski - dzwonk@freepress.com

News Editor, Nation & World: Nancy Laughlin - laughlin@freepress.com
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #153
168. Great!
I'll check tomorrow to see if they print anything. So far, I haven't seen a thing about any of the election fraud in the Detroit News or in the combined News-Press on the weekend.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:35 PM
Response to Original message
154. Update - Conyer's Press Release about Greene County "lock-down"
FROM: Ohio Election Fraud Blog
http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/congres...

December 12, 2004

CONGRESSMAN CONYERS ALARMED AT EFFORTS TO OBSTRUCT OHIO RECOUNT EFFORT, CALLS WITNESSES TO MONDAY HEARING


PRESS RELEASE
CONGRESSMAN JOHN CONYERS, JR.
FOURTEENTH DISTRICT, MICHIGAN
RANKING MEMBER, COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
DEAN, CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS
__________________________________________
IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
December 12, 2004
CONTACT:
Dena Graziano (202) 226-6888

-snip-
Conyers Alarmed at Efforts to Obstruct Ohio Recount Effort, Calls
Witness to Monday Hearing to Detail Such Efforts

Yesterday, it came to the attention of the House Judiciary Committee
Democratic Staff that efforts to audit poll records in Greene
County, Ohio are being obstructed by County Election officials
and/or Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell. According to Joan
Quinn and Eve Robertson, two election observers researching voting
records, Greene County officials initially gave Quinn and Robertson
access to poll records, and then abruptly withdrew such access.
Greene County Director of Elections Carole Garman claimed that she
had withdrawn access to the voting records at the direction of
Secretary Blackwell. Regardless of who ordered the denial of this
access, such an action appears to violate Ohio law. Later, at the
same office, election observers found the office unlocked, and what
appeared to be locked ballot boxes, unattended. Prior to the
withdrawal of access to the books, observers had found discrepancies
in election records, and possible evidence of minority vote
suppression.

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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #154
155. great, thank you
Conyers is great! :loveya:
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #154
169. This Is BIG, dzika - Another Turning Point - Time for Thread 4 ? nt
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:24 PM
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156. Volunteer Witnesses Needed ASAP! Cuyahoga County
The Cuyahoga County, Ohio recount will begin next Thursday, Dec. 16. An effort will be made to complete the recount in a single day but if necessary it will be continued on Friday, Dec. 17. Hours will be 8 am - 8 pm with a 1-hour lunch break.

All persons wishing to act as witnesses MUST have their names on a list to be faxed to the Board of Elections on Wednesday, Dec. 15, and MUST be present at a Board of Elections training to take place at 8 am sharp Thursday morning Dec. 16. Persons wishing to witness for the Green/Libertarian Party candidates - that's us - should also attend our training session on Sunday: 2:30 p.m., Dec. 12, at First United Methodist Church, E. 30th and Euclid in Cleveland. If anyone cannot attend on Sunday it will cause a problem, and he or she should make special arrangements with us in advance. Democratic Party witness training is taking place Sunday as well, coordinated by Dora Rose.

We are expecting to divide Thursday and Friday into three shifts. All must be present for the 8 am Thursday training, with no exceptions. Then the first shift probably will run until noon, the second from 1-5 pm, and the third from 5-8 pm. Shifts will be prepared for Friday in case they are needed.

Further details will be made available at or before Sunday's meeting. Those wishing to commit to shifts at this time should email cuyahoga-recount@systemsforchange.com .

Final scheduling will take place on Sunday and Monday and confirmations will be made then.

--Turo Dexter
Cuyahoga County Green/Libertarian Party Recount Witness Co-coordinator
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:58 PM
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162. kick!!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:14 PM
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170. kick!
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:19 PM
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171. This baby stopped crawling, started walking: Kick to thread 4 ?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #171
172. Thread 4 is set up.
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 07:37 PM by shraby
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #172
175. Cool...shraby...each new thread takes it to a higher level....
How high can this scandal reach ????
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:56 PM
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176. Updates are in the new thread.
n/t
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