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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:20 PM
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Evidence Dramatically Raises Suspicion of Election Tampering
I don't know if this has been posted before, if it has let it die.

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This Excel workbook contains my independent and original analysis of 2004 presidential election results gathered from exit polls and from the New York Times tabulated results site. I have found what, on the face of it, appears to be dramatic evidence of election tampering. The paragraphs below explain my rationale, method, and results.

Red Shift is a term used to describe the amount the 2004 tabulated presidential election results vary towards Bush from the last un-corrected exit poll published on the internet on election night, Nov. 2, 2004. Since we know that votes can be hacked at different stages of the casting and tabulation process, it was more interesting to me to look at the amount of Red Shift in relation to whether a state was a "battleground state, than it was to look at voting technology (e.g. touch-screen) versus Red Shift.
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http://www.selftest.net/redshift.htm
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:21 PM
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1. Send it to Conyers
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 03:23 PM by whistle
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:28 PM
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7. Nice work!
and, you graphics were super! I have seen a similar analogy regarding red shift....I believe it was posted in a thread written by TruthInAll.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:22 PM
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2. Kick!
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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:23 PM
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3. Great
Kick
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mrsblister Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:23 PM
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4. the bigger picture
D.U. Member Old Mouse posted this yesterday under another thread. I am repeating it (and repeating it, and repeating it) for you here with his permission and encouragement. You may also.

time to contemplate the bigger picture?

by Old Mouse


I've wanted to write about this for a long time now, but find it difficult to correctly balance the words. We keep looking at the smaller battles but don't consolidate our facts and think about what this means.

The diligent people here on DU have uncovered a clandestine criminal organization that in an unparalleled act of treason
has spent years illegally placing people, money, propaganda and technology in an attempt to take over and destroy the representative government of the United States.

They are not, as many would believe, neoconservative, fundamentalist Christian, or republican in base, as they use and abandon the principals of these groups whenever it suits their needs. Without understanding their actual affiliation, we can be certain they are pragmatic and capitalist profiteers; dedicated to controlling the United States government, and by extension, the world.

They have the Executive Branch, and their political party dominates the other branches of Government. They are now consolidating a similar level of power on the State level. It is unknown how many ruling members of the Republican party are members of the criminal organization, and how many are only under the sway of their power and propaganda.

They have agents or people sympathetic enough to their cause to be thought of as such throughout our justice and intelligence communities, and have a near compete stranglehold on the main stream media. This is effective in slowing or blocking most investigations into their activities. Additionally, they have perfected methods of operation that move faster than our system of checks and balances can affect.

Since taking power, all of the resources of the executive branch, including its influence over the Republican party and associated social demographic, have been spent in power consolidation. The complex demands of running the nation have been ignored completely, resulting in economic, environmental, social, and geopolitical ruin. They have effectively capitalized on the resulting chaos to further entrench power.

The amazing work of the blogs, DU, BBV, Air America, Greg Palast, et al, have resulting in uncovering and thereby reducing the effectiveness of what may be some of the more clandestine tools used to take power.

Now that is all what I interpret to be fact, available just by paying enough attention to even main stream media, much less what is available here. Enough stalled investigations, Israeli and Saudi connections, intelligence purges, duck hunts and swift boat veterans lead strongly to these conclusions. It is a large and difficult reality to accept, not for DUers because they read and self-educate keeping their critical thinking intact, but for the average American struggling to survive in our increasingly complex world.

Now comes conjecture:

If they are solely motivated by maintaining and expanding their control of government, and they have lost the ability to easily control the outcome of elections (no one, not even Republican voters, will trust voting machines again,)the leaders of this coup will dedicate themselves to finding a new method to stay in power. They also have survival issues... It is doubtful they can afford a non-sympathetic administration to review their sealed records.

To repeat that: Because of the success in reducing the public trust of black box voting machines, we can now expect the full attention of the White House and both houses of Congress to be ending control of the government by the people.

We cannot wait until 2008 to run another Presidential candidate, as many Democrats want. It is dangerous to believe we could even retake control of either house of congress in 2006. We need to overturn this election here and now.

President Kerry must then declare a state of emergency to find and remove the entire criminal apparatus from our government. Every agent that knowing worked to suppress or diminish the constitution must be discovered and tried for treason. The complexities of life and the distorting effect of language have made us complacent to sedition. Redistricting means COUP


Thank you again to Old Mouse for this.

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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:29 PM
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8. Agreed!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:30 PM
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:08 PM
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20. Visiting? n/t
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:25 PM
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5. Terrific: Why Do Laws of Chance always favor Bushitler ?
The only way to explain it is faith based:

JESUS CHRIST IS LOOKING OUT FOR GEORGE WALKER BUSHITER !!

JESUS CHRIST HAS DEEMED GEORGE WALKER BUSHITLER TO BE A HOLY MAN !!

LET US ALL GET DOWN ON OUR KNEES, AND THANK JESUS FOR SENDING US GEORGE WALKER BUSHITLER IN OUR OUR OF NEED !!

PRAISE THE LORD !!

AMEN.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:26 PM
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6. Dramatic...but....
I'd feel a lot better if there was an attempt to determine if there were other factors involved that could account for the shift...

like...last minute GOTV efforts....
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:30 PM
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9. this is a good post
i want to keep it.
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thedevilinthedetails Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:42 PM
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10. Without the actual raw data from the exit polls however
your analysis relies on the data from the web sources of the exit poll numbers being correct. Perhaps errors were made getting this information out to the various websites?

Additionally, while I agree that the red shift numbers in battleground states is very interesting, one thing that everybody needs to keep in mind is the right wing talk radio. With over 12 million listeners nationwide (probably more on election day perhaps) Hannity has a big base. When the exit polling numbers early on showed Kerry ahead and things sounded bleak, Hannity went into overdrive mode, he even had Cheney on his show. He was FREAKING OUT and begging people to vote, especially in FLORIDA and OHIO. One could possibly make the argument that the change in exit polling numbers which showed the race getting tighter throughout the day shifted in correlation with the airing of his show (3-6 EST).

How much of an impact could Hannity have on the vote? Hard to say, but considering the margin of the vote in Ohio and Florida, it wouldn't take much to swing things one way or another, especially if the ratio of voting machines at each pecinct was manipulated in favor of long waits for largely dem precints and short waits for repug precincts. An entire cities worth of Hannity listeners who hadn't voted yet could have probably gone and voted at precincts where the lines were short while people in other precints were still in line from 7 in the morning!
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:24 PM
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15. right......
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 04:26 PM by Kellis
and so whats your point?


I mean....the lines are evidence of FRAUD in themselves;They withheld voting machines from poor/democratic areas and fawned all over the republican areas w/ more than enough machines......That in itself is a crime against Democracy and needs to addressed.

Further.....I don't think exit polls lie.But I know Bush & Crew do.

SO I will take your post of rationalizing why the exit polls "may be off" with a grain of salt and get this information out to the appropriate people.


Thanks for posting OP.Good Work.
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thedevilinthedetails Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:08 PM
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19. And how do you prove that exactly?
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 05:08 PM by thedevilinthedetails
I mean....the lines are evidence of FRAUD in themselves;They withheld voting machines from poor/democratic areas and fawned all over the republican areas w/ more than enough machines......That in itself is a crime against Democracy and needs to addressed.

I agree with that 100%, but how do you PROVE it? Isn't it just circumstantial unless you have a smoking gun memo?
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:57 PM
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18. no way in hell are 12 million people listening to hannity
right wing hate radio always, always pads #s. Plus to listen to his tremendously partisan program you are already voting for Bush and not waiting until he tells you that day. You're whole theory is absurd.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:47 PM
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22. True that fewer registered dems vote?
I agree with you because we're always told that so many registered democrats don't vote. If that's true, the republicans would have voted or knew they were going to vote by the time this begging would have started. This kind of begging (from say Jon Stewart) would have helped democrats who stayed home, thinking everyone else's votes would have been enough.
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:57 PM
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23. Thank you- I agree with you
It seems odd to me that a DUer would know so much about "Hannity" in the first place.
I personally couldn't tell you the first thing about him much less tell you who was on his show on Nov 2 04.

Sorry dude-but there is no rationalizing away the exit poll numbers.

They don't add up!Never did and Never will.And don't worry-We are going to prove it.Bet on it.
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MarkusQ Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:07 PM
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24. The key point is the line lengths. (n/t)
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:42 PM
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11.  Bump to the Top of the Charts !! n/t
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:42 PM
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12. Send it to Cliff Arenebeck
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:28 PM
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16. agree
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:48 PM
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13. Excellent; have forwarded it to Brad Friedman (n/t)
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:52 PM
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14. Interesting. eom
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:37 PM
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21. Great Post...Kick!.. n/t
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