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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:54 PM
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Dixiecrats or not, FL results unbelievable:
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 11:14 PM by ccarter84
So I was told I didn't have a sexy enough title...so i'm
hoping this one is more eye catching.
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	gore/kerry				shrub			
	2000	2004	change	%change		2000	2004	change	%change
*pre	4,075	4,522	447	10.97%		8,006	11,153	3,147	39.31%
*post	4,113	4,522	409	9.94%		8,026	11,153	3,127	38.96%
*suwanee pre and post 2000 florida recount 

Sources: 
Results 2k pre recount
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/downloadresults.asp?ElectionDate=11/7/00&DATAMODE=

(questionable) post recount results 2k
http://www.unknownnews.net/election2000.html

Results 2k4
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/downloadresults.asp?ElectionDate=11/02/2004&Datamode=E

florida elections site uses some unknown file extension, but
they open in excel.

p.s. if anyone is bored feel free to doublecheck my numbers
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:58 PM
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1. Miami Herald hand recount of 3 Florida counties: significant Kerry gain
Miami Herald hand recount of 3 Florida counties indicates signficant Kerry gain and possible Kerry win in Florida

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20021 ...

Here are the tallies for Union County:
Bush original: 3396 Bush hand count: 3393 (-3)
Kerry original: 1251 Kerry hand count: 1272 (+21)
Net change: Kerry +24

Here are the tallies for Lafayette County:
Bush original: 2460 Bush hand count: 2452 (-8)
Kerry original: 845 Kerry hand count: 848 (+3)
Net change: Kerry +11
I
t's a bit more complicated for the third county they looked at, Suwannee County, because they only report the totals for a hand
count of "almost 60%" of the ballots. Here is the result of their 60% hand count:
Bush 60% hand count: 6140
Kerry 60% hand count: 2984
Which gives us the following tally for Suwannee County:
Bush original: 11153 Extrapolation of Bush 100% hand count: 10549
Kerry original: 4522 Extrapolation of Kerry 100% hand count: 5126
Net change: Kerry +1208
In the original count, 71.2% of the votes cast for Bush or Kerry (n=15675) went to Bush. In the hand count, this drops to 67.3%. That is a significant drop. Let's translate that into numbers. If you take the percentages from the hand count and extrapolate, here's
what you get:
Bush = 15675 x .673 = 10549 (loss of 604)
Kerry = 15675 x .327 = 5126 (gain of 604)
Net change: Kerry +1208
A switch of 1208 votes in a county with less than 16K votes cast is obviously huge. Which begs the question...why did they stop counting in Suwannee County when their tabulation of 60% of the ballots deviated so much from the original total? And without actually counting those remaining ballots, how can they possibly report that nothing is amiss when the data they have so far suggests a possible problem?

What I see is a possible gain of 1243 votes for Kerry from three small counties in which only 23627 ballots were cast. That
represents about 0.3% of the ballots cast for Bush and Kerry statewide. If Kerry gained votes at the same rate statewide, he picks up nearly 400,000 votes and wins Florida.
Thanks Miami Herald, you just revealed to us in your hand counts that there's a possibility that
Kerry won Florida.
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Timebound Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:00 AM
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3. I'm not surprised...
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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:18 AM
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17. This falls in line with all of the SOE's
from the big counties in Florida stalling BBV on their FOIA's, Personally speaking from 1 of the non compliant counties here in Florida,

Pasco county that is.

angry Floridian from 2000 and 2004

there is no way Kerry recieved fewere votes in Florida than Gore did and also there is no way that Castor recieved more votes than Kerry did.

Any one in Florida knows how motivated people were about this election this whole thing

Stinks!!!
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:00 AM
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2. I've looked at all the counties
and out of 67, Bush increased in 64 as a percentage over 2000, whereas Kerry decreased in 57, AND Kerry got fewer votes than Gore in 5 counties. Considering the efforts taken here in Florida by MoveOn, ACT, etc, I would say that fraud occurred somewhere, even given the Dixiecrats.
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:07 AM
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4. very cool
do you have a spreadsheet or anything that we could also take a gander at?
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:30 AM
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5. kick. n/t
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 08:03 AM
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14. I just have to figure out how to post the graphic...
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:41 PM
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19. I worked in Miramar, Fl
I saw southern Broward county--they voted for Kerry proly 70% to 80%.
EArly voting locations in my area had 8 machines--In Palm, Anentura IIRC had 30 in one locale.
Moveon was all over-as well as -ACT, Voter Protection .
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:37 AM
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6. titles are tricky...
i'm surprised you didn't get more traction the first time... we'll see.
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:52 AM
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7. 'too true, thanks for the suggestion SnD'
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:04 AM
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8. Kick
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:47 AM
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9. wonder what Truth Is All would think?
yet another title? sheesh...
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:50 AM
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10. Kick
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:50 AM
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11. Kick
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:06 AM
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12. kick. n/t
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:30 AM
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13. how 'bout "significant Kerry gain"
as yet another title?
I think you did really good work and deserve critical attention.
keep da faith...
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AusTexDem Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 09:06 AM
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15. Question about Dixiecrats
Are these Dixiecrat voters older voters who registered as Democrats back when LBJ or even Carter ran for office?
shouldn't the numbers of these voters be declining? Why would new voters register as Democrats if they identify as Republicans?
Is there still a significant number of these so called
Dixiecrats?

i don't get it.
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:11 AM
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16. good poin
you'd think some of them might start to die off...or something. maybe all these current dems were just confused and thought they had democratic values...but voted repub

I think I might wait a while before reposting this thread again
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:34 PM
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18. kick. n/t
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:02 PM
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20. Anti-Abortion Dems?
Maybe there are some Dems who are anti-abortion and voted for Bush. A theory there. They'd love fetuses but despise already-born babies who are getting maimed and killed in Iraq, but it's a possible mindset. Maybe they know that it's not rational, smart, or patriotic to support Bush, but some fear makes them vote for him and deny it, like one denies masturbating even if they do it. They're not Dixiecrats; they're jerk-offs.










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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:23 PM
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21. The numbers would indicate...
That this is a new breed of Dixiecrat, who registered anew as Democrat, but planned on voting Republican all along, and of course were too embarrassed to speak up at the exit polls.
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AusTexDem Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:15 AM
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22. just a southern thing?
And I wonder if there are an equal number of people who registered as republican but planned on voting democrat?

from now on instead of Dixiecrat i think i'll call them idiotcrats.
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