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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:14 PM
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"I Saw it Hacked"....Eye witness to election fraud
It's not just Diebold but they're our "exemplar." This is becoming rediculous...how many times do we have to demonstrate that hacking is possible and if it's possible, why won't people just do it if the need to ;)

Time to have a Cyber Tea Party and toss the machines in the Boston Harbor.

The leaders rule based on legitimacy. Legitimacy is based on election. The election process is run by the leaders but it is of and for the people, hence the conflict and suspicion. The election system must be above suspicion, therefor it must be open, transparent, and subject to thorough examination. If it's not, then the rulers lose legitimacy.

I am autorank and I endorse the above message. Now check this out...


"I Saw It Hacked"
Diebold in Florida


http://www.counterpunch.org/pynchon01232006.html
By SUSAN PYNCHON

I was one of ten people present at the "hack" of the Leon County, Florida voting system, which took place on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 around 4:30 in the afternoon at the county elections warehouse. Leon County's voting system is the Diebold Accu-Vote OS 1.94w (optical scan).

The Leon County Supervisor of Elections, Ion Sancho, authorized a "test" of his Diebold voting system to see if election results could be altered using only a memory card. Harri Hursti, a computer programmer from Finland facilitated the test and it has come to be known as the "Harri Hursti Hack."

What follows is my description of that hack and its significance for our nation, which I hope will correct much of the misinformation circulating regarding this event.

GREAT ARTICLE

& thank you Harri Hursti!!!

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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:42 PM
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1. Kicked & recommended.
:kick:
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:51 PM
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2. Finally
Something you and I can agree on :)

Diebold needs to be scrapped and put out of the election business forever.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:02 AM
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19. Wonder what their banking customers think? I'd be a bit curious about
all the controversy. ESS, now owned by SAIC, huge government contractor, big into defense; Sequoia now owned by Smartmatic, Venezuelan based company, the ownership can't be verified (last time I looked); and AVS (clone of Diebold. Absent the "flakes" in the industry, we're left with about 3% market share for electronic voting.

Time to study up on Canada's paper system, 13 mil votes, I believe, counted in a few hours.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:53 PM
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3. One thing I wasn't completely clear about
what exactly was the preprogrammed memory card programmed to do? If it was in the article and I missed it, I apologize.

onenote
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:57 PM
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15. The most common method is to insert a value
into both sides of the voting tally, f'rinstance: put 2000 votes on the thug side of the ticket and a negative 2000 votes on the dem side. On the initial test, everything looks hunky, the plus 2000 and minus 2000 cancel each other and the memory tests out as a zero count, which, in a way, it is.
However, when the election is tallied, the numbers will be wrong, with 2000 more votes for the criminals than they actually scored and 2000 fewer votes for the dem side than they actually received.

This means that the dems have to make up a 4000 vote deficit, just to break even.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 12:41 AM
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18. thanks for the explanation
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:55 PM
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4. kick
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:57 PM
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5. Go Autorank
And I'll double that big "thank you" to Harri Hursti!

What's so hard not to understand here. The word hackers been 'round since way back when. Everyone knows the word and its meaning.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:13 PM
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11. And I'll raise your double to Double Double!! :)
Go Autorank! Keeping the pushback alive DAY AFTER DAY!

And Hoo-rah to Harri Hursti! For finally being able to get it through the disbelief blinders people have that computers can be programmed to add 2 + 2 to equal 5!

Maybe the focus on proving "IT" happened must be predicated on proving that just because there's a computer, doesn't mean there is some kind of magic protection against cheating and fraud...

All the best!

{B^> FULL_METAL_HAT
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 09:00 AM
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22. And I'll Triple, Ya~
Hoo-rah, you go guy, and that's the way, ah-ha, ah-ha!

Autorank works tirelessly, never giving-up. Commend him.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:14 PM
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6. Speaking of Diebold... you should see TODAY's Anchorage Daily News...
First of all Bush and Cheney were given 101,378 more votes than they actually received..

But this is also very concerning!

Alaskans (Republicans, Independents, and Democrats) were polled for 12 straight months on which U.S. Senate candidate they preferred, (R) Lisa Murkowski or (D) Tony Knowles.

Murkowski was not popular even among many Republicans because she was "appointed" by her father (current Governor) which royally ticked residents off.

Tony Knowles won EVERY SINGLE POLL.

Per Diebold results, Lisa Murkowski won the election by 9,568 votes..

BUT.. Diebold gave her an additional 77,546 votes that she DID NOT RECEIVE !!!

So who won?!!??

Anchorage Daily News- (requires registration, but here's some snips)
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7386582p-7298824c....

= snip =
"The official vote results from the last general election are riddled with discrepancies and impossible for the public to make sense of, the Democrats said Monday."

= snip =
At this point, it's impossible to say whether the correct candidates were declared the winner in all Alaska races from 2004, Brown said.

= snip =
******* Diebold told the state it owns the format, which can't be released because it's a company secret.

=snip=
Democrats also contend more than 2,000 Alaskans cast valid absentee ballots that weren't counted in official totals.

Unless they get the entire file, they won't be able to understand what caused the "bizarre and inaccurate reports" from Alaska's 2004 election, they say.

"These votes belong to us," Brown said. "These are all public record. It's wrong that a contractor like Diebold can keep us from seeing the record."


Alaska Democratic Party Press Release-
http://www.alaskademocrats.org/e-news/article.asp?Artic...

Election Results per Diebold night of election: http://www.ltgov.state.ak.us/elections/04genr/data/resu...

In short.. I have no idea whether Bush won or not, it was close.. But I have a feeling that Democrat TONY KNOWLES should have easily won as the polls predicted he would..

We were SCREWED. I'm not sure yet what further action the State Democratic Party will be taking yet..
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:28 PM
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8. Your post is excellent. Thank you. I read that and this is a great summay
Like those Alaska Democrats, no B.S. in the North Country, just naming it and claiming it.

Thanks
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:52 PM
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10. The next step, we are learning in OH, is to outlaw contesting of elections
In that way, if a candidate is discovered to be fraudulently elected, it is too bad (ie Ohio HB 3). If Repukes can win legitimately, why the need for secret proprietary machines and disenfranchise techniques? Hmmh...
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 10:03 PM
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16. We're looking at that on the ER Forum
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:26 PM
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7. The only way to get rid of these machines once and for all
and make the quote in the original post the law of the land is for someone to hack an actual election and elect a third party candidate by some sort of unprecedented number.

Until then, no matter how many times they are proved to be hackable and unreliable, all of this will continue to be swept under the rug.

How many times does our democracy have to be proved to be at stake before press or even our own elected officials for that matter decide that it's important enough to actually give a shit?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:30 PM
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9. Good point, the rug is getting pretty lumpy, all that stuff under it.

The true custodians of elections are the people, nobody ever told us. The politicians have their own stuff going. We need to ride them right into the ground. We're not here to make them happy or to keep them from being upset. They're here to serve and they need to start doing it. Honest elections are fundamental along with not taking "legal" bribes from donors and trips from fat cats. Just do your job politicians and get it right. We are annoyed at your impertinence Senator and Representative X, regardless of party.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:57 PM
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12. Holy shit, autorank! What a great article!! K & R
This should be sent to ALL senators & reps ..... state & federal level.

:applause: Time to have a Cyber Tea Party and toss the machines in the Boston Harbor. :applause:


THAT'S THE TICKET!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 12:15 AM
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17. It's "tea time"...doesn't need to be Boston either. Boston is a state of
mind!
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sirjohn Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:08 PM
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13. We need a larger majority, so close elections will
not be subject to our votes being swindled.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:45 PM
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14. Well, I want a huge majority...but...
We had 60-30% majorities by the Columbus Dispatch Poll on two amendments that would have shut down a lot of garbage in Ohio elections. When the special election took place the results were 30%-60% against the reform measures. The poll was conducted by the "BEST" polling group in the country for political polls, the Dispatch mail in poll. Articles are written on the accuracy of these polls.

Funny thing, just before the election Diebold touch screens were installed in 1/2 the Ohio counties, with more than 1/2 the vote.

We need to get rid of lousy elections then you'll be surprised at the majority that shows up on the final count. I agree we need to win big but even when we're ahead big and they really need it, things like this happen.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:19 AM
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23. That's working on a false premise: that a larger majority will help
Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 11:19 AM by loudsue
balance out any computer hacking. That's not how it works. All they do is switch the names next to the totals, and wha-la! It looks like the loser WON by the margin actually given to the opponent. All they do is pull a switch, or pre-program the "counting" to add one for the bad guy for every lever pulled for the good guy. Large majorities don't help, except the totals for the bad guys.

:kick:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 05:35 AM
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20. Thanks, autorank.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 06:39 AM
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21. Argh.
Hacking away at Democracy.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:29 AM
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24. Kick!
...until the Kerry "comes home" to the WH...where he rightfully belongs!
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 12:55 PM
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25. I support these tests, but the witness witnessed the test
not the actual fraud during the election itself. I think your thread title gave me false hope.

This test confirms the obvious.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 06:19 PM
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26. Any and all hopes must be cultivated now.
LOL :)
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