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doubles Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:16 PM
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Dean never wanted the nomination....
There is no way someone so intelligent could screw up royally on so many different occasions with the crowning moment being that Iowa speech.

As a Dean supporter, I am very much aware that the Democratic establishment and the media contributed in a major way to his demise BUT Dean should have known better. From his confederate flag pickup truck flop (and subsequently refusing to apologize) to his screaming in Iowa, to almost publicly questioning whether the scum of the earth, Osama Bin Laden, was guilty and hoping he gets a fair trial to the American public after the suffering of 9/11 was downright stupid (no matter what conspiracy theories you may have) to many other major goofs. I have questioned from the beginning whether he really wanted it. Months ago, I suggested he maybe was in it for the money and after being fried on this forum, I retracted that statement. I also am perplexed as to what Dean has done with his record breaking monetary contributions he received. Would he now transfer that money to Kerry? Again I ask, how could someone so smart screw up on so many different occasions publicly?
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:20 PM
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1. You raise an interesting point
BTW, I think that money has been spent on ads, etc.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:21 PM
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2. Wow, what a supporter... Hope he doesn't have too many of this type
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:21 PM
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3. Dean supporter eh?
This piece is just asking to be locked. There are enough incendiary threads on this forum, why keep adding gas to the fire with something like this?

I believe Dean was serious in his wanting the nomination. He speaks off the cuff, and he hasn't said anything stupid, it's been the media's inability to be objective and fair to someone they pidgeonholed as being a "lunatic" that hurt Dean more than anything else.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:22 PM
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4. 3.........2.............1....................
:nuke:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:24 PM
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5. you're a Dean supporter?
yet months ago you wondered if he was in it for the money? as for the money-- it was spent. And no I doubt he will transfer what money his true supporters are raising once again on behalf of a Great man who has stood up to Bush from the beginning to another candidate when he still is a viable candidate in this race.
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doubles Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:30 PM
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11. Believe it or not I AM a Dean supporter, I am not lying, I realized he
blew it in Iowa! It turned me off as well. Not that I think he will be unstable as president, it's just I knew that there is no way the American public would accept him as a viable candidate after that arsenine display!
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:25 PM
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6. Here are my hypotheses
All his life he has been able to say what he thinks and have people be ok with it. In a small state, where people know him, they are going to be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt if he says something like this. But when you are a front runner in a national campaign, it's a completely different story. The other leaders in the race have learned for the most part to be more careful with their words. It makes some people perceive them as "phony" but that is our political system.

A second H is that what he has said and done HAS been twisted unfairly at times because the media IS RW biased and biased in their interest to grab reader interest with a sensational headline. You seem to have bought some of this yourself. He DID apologize for the confederate flag comment. He was RIGHT about Osama having the right to a fair trial (that's known as the American way, is it not?). Did he use the best judgement in choosing the context, or the best wording in that incident or others? Maybe not, but the point is the media have made "gaffes" out of minor comments or comments on which he is FACTUALLY correct, or expressing a very reasonable opinion shared by many of us who are not wingnuts. Why hasn't he learned from the incidents? I'll leave that for the psychologists.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:27 PM
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7. extrapolating from your second hypothesis
I remember listening to Bill Maher on Wolf Blitzer's how about a week ago and they were talking about the Iowa speech, the discussion was like:

Bill Maher: it was a stupid thing to do, but the media didn't have to make such a big deal out of it

Wolf Blitzer: well he didn't have to give a speech like that

It's almost unbelievable, but my two year old godson is more mature than the assholes who run the media
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:27 PM
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8. A Dean supporter, you say?
I dunno, but it seems like a Dean supporter would believe in the message the man carries: a message of hope, of change, of better lives for all Americans, not some extraneous BS.

Every candidate has his/her ups and downs. Kerry's campaign had troubles. Clark had his woes. But if you truly believe in a candidate and the message they convey, then you stick with them until they decide to wave the white flag.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:28 PM
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9. The problem with that is
Dean didn't screw up so much. He was often quoted out of context and his words twisted.

Dean isn't stupid. His only fault was allowing himself to be manipulated by the media.

I don't want to be rude, but most Dean supporters know he did apologize for offending people with the confederate flag statement, and the Iowa scream was a media set-up.

My candidate has also said that Osama should be tried by the Hague. What's the other option? Assassination? That would be justice.


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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:30 PM
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13. if found alive, Osama should be tortured
and I know the worst type of torture: force him to listen to Mike Gallagher and read William Kristol's columns :D

I don't know how believing in due process was a stupid statement.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:30 PM
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10. There's nothing wrong with any of those things that he said or did.
As a "Dean supporter," you should know that. Dean supporters are those who know that making a rallying speech to one's supporters IS presidential, that guys with confederate flags on their trucks need health care too, and that Osama bin Laden DOES need a trial- they call that justice, here in America. Dean supporters are those that have stood tall and proud, defiant in our principle, while the rest of the America has let theirs slip away from them out of fear of the right-wing war and hatemongers.

I KNOW the difference between right and wrong. I know what justice is. So does Dean, and he's going to do things the right way and call things as he sees them whether the right-wing media approves of it or not. That's leadership, and that's what we need in Washington.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:30 PM
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12. locked
inflamatory
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