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The Donkey Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 11:49 AM
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Bill O'Reilly's False Statement About New York
By now, we've all read that Bill OReilly went on a rant last week in reaction to a ballot initiative in San Francisco that opposed military recruitment in public schools. Please note that the measure did not actually ban military recruitment and thus will not really change anything. Rather, the new initiative merely codifies the citys disapproval of such action.

Predictably, OReilly overreacted to the measure by inviting terrorists to attack the City of San Francisco. On the November 8 broadcast of The OReilly Factor, he stated the following:

Hey, you know, if you want to ban military recruiting, fine, but I'm not going to give you another nickel of federal money. You know, if I'm the president of the United States, I walk right into Union Square, I set up my little presidential podium, and I say, "Listen, citizens of San Francisco, if you vote against military recruiting, you're not going to get another nickel in federal funds. Fine. You want to be your own country? Go right ahead." And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.

Now you would think that after saying something like that on the air, OReilly would at least say his quotes were taken out of context, and that he meant something slightly different. But just a few days later on a radio talk show in San Francisco, Bill said the following:

I mean, look, everybody knows whats going on there. What I said isnt controversial. What I said needed to be said. Im sitting here and Im looking at a city that has absolutely no clue of what the world is. None. You know, if you had been hit on 9/11 instead of New York, believe me, you would not have voted against military recruting. Yet the left-wing, selfish, Land of Oz philosophy that the media and the city politicians have embraced out there is an absolute intellectual disgrace.

Ah yes, if only San Francisco were more like New York City. Only then would they see the error of their ways and think exactly like Bill OReilly, whose world outlook mirrors that of every other New Yorker.

Well it seems that on this measure, Bill O'Reilly has once again failed to do even the most passive level of research to back up his claim. I did a five-minute Google search and discovered that just this past July, the New York City Council drafted a measure for deliberation that would have effectively banned military recruitment in public schools (you can find the link to it here).

So not only is Bill OReilly a ridiculously poor journalist, he also has no knowledge of the political makeup of his own city. Nice going!

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:02 PM
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1. Jeez! The only thing he left out of his SF description was...
"Cake eating friends of Dorothy."

We all know that's what he meant.

Maybe he'll leave his heart in SF one day.

Ice chests are on sale at Wal-Mart.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:06 PM
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2. Good work
O'Reilly certainly knows an "intellectual disgrace" when he sees one

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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:09 PM
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3. Was it enacted?
I, in no way, am defending or agreeing with BOR (and to prove it, I'll link to this awesome column by Mark Morford on the the whole affair: ) BUT, unless they actually enacted that measure, BOR would likely say something like "Yeah, but the voters didn't vote for it, like they did in San Francisco." or some other such idiotic thing...

If it was enacted, then that bit of info should be spread far and wide.
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The Donkey Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:17 PM
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4. From what I can tell,
It has only been drafted at this stage. I don't believe that it has come up for an up or down vote yet by the council, but it likely will soon.

But the fact that it has been deliberated to the point where the actual language has been written shows that at least the City Council considers banning military recruiting in public schools to be worth consideration.

Furthermore, military recruiters have already been kicked out of Harvard and Yale law schools, which also receive some federal funding. The Supreme Court is expected during the next session to determine the legality of tying federal funding with the caveat of allowing military recruiters on public school grounds, as specified in the No Child Left Behind legislation.

San Fransisco is by no means outside of the mainstream on this issue. O'Reilly should know this, especially when it might happen soon in his own city.
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BloodyWilliam Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:07 PM
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5. I work in Manhattan and live in the metro area
And Bill O'Reilly's a cock.
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