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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:52 AM
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In this thread we post all the evidence of vote fraud.
Any and all evidence. Suppression, intimidation and kinky numbers. There are so many threads I can't keep up. Please please keep this thread alive so that there will be one reference point.

Then I would like a response from the Kerry campaign if there are any insiders here that can let us know if the Dems are going to roll again.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:54 AM
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1. I will start
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 07:55 AM by liberalnproud
AIndependentTexan (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-04 04:07 AM
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E-Voting Machines has a Halliburton/Cheney connection

Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 04:10 AM by AIndependentTexan
E-Voting Machines has a Halliburton/Cheney connection. This might be the smoke and gun people right here.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/April2004/Landes0406.htm

Former President, Chief Operating Officer, and Vice Chairman of SAIC is Admiral Bill Owens, who is now Chairman of the Board for VoteHere. Owens also served as Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and was a senior military assistant to Secretaries of Defense Frank Carlucci and Dick Cheney. Carlucci's company is Carlyle Group, while Vice President Dick Cheney's former employer is Halliburton.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:57 AM
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2. And.........
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 07:59 AM by liberalnproud
AIndependentTexan (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-04-04 11:02 AM
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Here is how they cheated by E-machines votes PAY ATTENION

Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 11:03 AM by AIndependentTexan
I posted stuff in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

I'm going to try to put it all together.

First we started to notice the numbers from this website

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

This is where everything started to get a little fishy. My data is coming from Kerry/Edwards online forum. They were watching the same numbers as we were. Here is one Big clue that someone noticed.

e-machine

reg rep: 2,050,619
exp turnout for reg rep: 1,435,385
reg rep who voted: 1,845,876
% turnout: 90%

reg dem: 2,280,374
exp turnout for reg dem: 1,567,297
reg dem who voted: 1,982,210
% turnout: 86.9%


optical scanning:

reg rep: 1,841,873
exp turnout for reg rep: 1,428,220
reg rep who voted: 1,950,213
% turnout: 105.88%

reg dem: 1,980,875
exp turnout for reg dem: 1,503,404
reg dem who voted: 1,445,675
% turnout: 72.98%
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What the bold means is they f'cked up big time. Optical machines are also made by diebold. How is 105.88% even a possible number for a turnout?

Clues that we were cheated by diebold and they rigged it.

98% of registered republicans have voted. That is without absentees. This isn't hard evidence but it does point out a loophole of why they didn't want the absentees to be counted. If it turns out they have over 100% with absentee votes then that is clear proof that Republicans cheated.

Second optiscan totals are important to pay attention too.
The Diebold totals at the top of the page look OK, but on the optiscan results in county after county Republicans supposedly showed up in numbers that are 2, 3, 4 times the number of registered Republicans living in the county (predominantly Dem counties) while Dem turnout was down. How could you expect a 77% turnout in a predominantly Dem county (7-1 Dem over Rep) and yet have Bush win that county by 8-1?

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:01 AM
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3. Some more
AIndependentTexan (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 11:57 PM
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ALL DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND READ


Read this all DU forum members and start paying attention


Colonel Richard Prouty, a very famous insider in the CIA during the sixties, and a strong proponent of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories, has this to say about conspiracies:

"Conspiracies are easy to formulate and execute. It is the cover-up that is hard."

www.prouty.org

Coverups all have a certain smell to them. I can smell this one a mile away. One particulary smelly aspect of any coverup is the "media blitz" planned a long time before the conspiracy happens. This is what we are seeing in effect yesterday and today about the election.

This his how Prouty knew there was a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination. He saw huge full-blown press releases on Oswald, detailing Oswald's life, appearing in the New Zealand press when Oswald had been in police custody for only a couple of hours. This information could have only come from the US National Security organizations, and would have never been given to the press otherwise. Instead, what was given to the press was full-blown, already written articles about Oswald. Prouty recognized the fashion, style, and "smell" of the articles as being a CIA black op. He knew -- he was involved in black ops himself.

What we have seen in the last two days are a series of press releases already prepared long in advance. One of the most damning press releases is the one asking "Why are exit polls so wrong?" This article says that people started getting suspicious that exit polls were wrong when they were so off in the Florida 2000 election! This is SO ABSURD, because the exit polls were right on the money in the Florida 2000 election. As with 2004, the exit polls were off because the voting count was tampered with.

Another blatant coverup example that was CAUGHT was CNN changing their exit poll predicitons on the web for Ohio. They switched their exit poll results at 1:00 AM on Wednesday morning from showing a 2% Kerry lead in Ohio to a 1% Bush lead in Ohio. THESE WERE NOT ELECTION RESULTS, they were exit polls. You can't switch exit polls results, unless you were to take a new exit poll, which is impossible to do after the election is over. CNN did it. They are lying to us.

Another coverup we are experiencing right here in this forum is the instant flooding of the forum by freepers trying to dampen, smash down, or just deflect any discussion of the voter fraud. A lot of these posts are pretty outrageous, but a lot are very mild -- such as "we need to just accept this and move on". Now I know that a lot of regular forum members are saying this too, but the number of NEW members saying this is off the charts.

The coverup is in effect. You can smell it everywhere.





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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:02 AM
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4. Ohio
Ohio Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Votes


Email this Story

Nov 5, 7:34 PM (ET)

By JOHN McCARTHY

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct. Bush's total should have been recorded as 365.

Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after saying that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result.

Deducting the erroneous Bush votes from his total could not change the election's outcome, and there were no signs of other errors in Ohio's electronic machines, said Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041106/D8661OA80.html



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:05 AM
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5. and....
tkmorris (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-04 02:36 AM
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Still don't believe they stole it? Look here


This chart shows a breakdown by county of Florida, listing the voters in each broken down by party affiliation, and comparing expected vote totals to the reported results. It is further arranged by seperating the results into two sections, one for "touch-screen" counties and the other for optical scan counties.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

Surprisingly, the results reported by touch-screen counties seem fairly accurate overall especially if you take into account the GOTV effort by Dems that was occuring on the ground here. Let me tell you, by dinnertime on Tuesday we KNEW we were getting huge Dem turnout and the Repubs looked demoralized in their efforts. In most areas there simply WAS no organized Repub effort. But all of that is anecdotal and will be tossed aside by skeptics.

Now look at the optical scan counties. Again and again and again, the expected results there based upon party registration were off. In fact they were not even close. In Liberty County for example, the registered voters there are fully 88.3% Democrats versus a mere 7.9% Republican. However the results reported there indicate that fully 65% of the votes cast for President went to Bush. In heavily populated Duval County Democrats outnumber Republicans on the voter rolls by a good 7% and yet Bush won there by over 60,000 votes, winning the actual vote count by around 60/40. In Baker county there are only about 3200 voters registered as Republicans in the whole county, yet on election day Bush garnered over 7700 votes there. These are just examples, the trend was universal in all the optiscreen counties. Don't believe me, look for yourself. And note this: In those Optiscan counties Bush received just over 600,000 votes more than other data suggest he should have. This by itself is far more than his margin of victory in Florida.

Please note that these counties, touch-screen and optical scan, are intermingled all over the state. Some counties reported results more or less as expected and others posted results that are simply eyepopping for Bush and the only difference in them is the method of voting (and thus counting) used.

These results are just not possible. They aren't. Anyone out there who has taken a basic statistics course will recognize right away upon viewing this that it cannot possibly be a true representation of what happened on Tuesday. I believed there was fraud by 10 PM Tuesday but I didn't really KNOW it in my heart and soul until I saw this.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm





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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:07 AM
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6. i shall continue here
deutsey (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-04 03:58 AM
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Evidence of a Second Bush Coup?

Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 03:59 AM by deutsey
Sorry if this is a dupe.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110604.html

By Robert Parry
November 6, 2004


Theoretically at least, it is conceivable that sophisticated CIA-style computer hacking known as cyber-warfare could have let George W. Bushs campaign transform a three-percentage-point defeat, as measured by exit polls, into an official victory of about the same margin.

Whether such a scheme is feasible, however, is another matter, since it would require penetration of hundreds of local computer systems across the country, presumably from a single remote location. The known CIA successes in cyber-war have come from targeting a specific bank account or from shutting down an adversarys computer system, not from altering data simultaneously in a large number of computers.

To achieve that kind of result, cyber-war experts say, a preprogrammed kernel of brain would have to be inserted into election computers beforehand or teams of hackers would be needed to penetrate the lightly protected systems, targeting touch-screen systems without a paper backup for verifying the numbers.

Though there's still no proof of such a cyber-attack, suspicions are growing that the U.S. presidential election results were manipulated to some degree. Voting analyses of some precincts in Florida and Ohio have found surprisingly high percentages for Bush. Others have noted that the large turnout among young voters and the obvious enthusiasm of John Kerrys voters would have suggested a better showing for the Democrat.

More...

PS: Here's something I wrote on Bartcop back in April 2001 that pointed out similarities among CIA coup activities in Guatemala and Chile and what happened in Florida.

http://www.bartcop.com/coupsp.htm




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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:10 AM
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7. Diebold Counties
AIndependentTexan (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-04 01:41 AM
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Record of every county Diebold was in


http://www.why-war.com/features/diebold-campaign.pdf





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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:16 AM
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8. just some common sense.
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-04-04 06:27 AM
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MUST READ: To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:

Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 07:12 AM by TruthIsAll
To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:

1- That the exit polls were WRONG...

2- That Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning OH, FL were WRONG. He was exactly RIGHT in his 2000 final poll.

3- That Harris last minute polling for Kerry was WRONG. He was exactly RIGHT in his 2000 final poll.

4- The Incumbent Rule I (that undecideds break for the challenger)was WRONG.

5- The 50% Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling)

6- The Approval Rating Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election)

7- That Greg Palast was WRONG when he said that even before the election, 1 million votes were stolen from Kerry. He was the ONLY reporter to break the fact that 90,000 Florida blacks were disnfranchised in 2000.

8- That it was just a COINCIDENCE that the exit polls were CORRECT where there WAS a PAPER TRAIL and INCORRECT (+5% for Bush) where there was NO PAPER TRAIL.

9- That the surge in new young voters had NO positive effect for Kerry.

10- That Bush BEAT 99-1 mathematical odds in winning the election.

11- That Kerry did WORSE than Gore agains an opponent who LOST the support of SCORES of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000.

12- That Bush did better than an 18 national poll average which showed him tied with Kerry at 47. In other words, Bush got 80% of the undecided vote to end up with a 51-48 majority - when ALL professional pollsters agree that the undecided vote ALWAYS goes to the challenger.

13- That Voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were NOT tampered with in this election.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:18 AM
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9. Voting Counting guarded for Homeland Security reasons?
chimpy the poopthrower (933 posts) Fri Nov-05-04 01:36 PM
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Warren's Vote Tally Walled Off (Ohio red county)


http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenv ...

Friday, November 5, 2004
Warren's vote tally walled off

Alone in Ohio, officials cited homeland security

By Erica Solvig
Enquirer staff writer


LEBANON - Citing concerns about potential terrorism, Warren County officials locked down the county administration building on election night and blocked anyone from observing the vote count as the nation awaited Ohio's returns.

County officials say they took the action Tuesday night for homeland security, although state elections officials said they didn't know of any other Ohio county that closed off its elections board. Media organizations protested, saying it violated the law and the public's rights. The Warren results, delayed for hours because of long lines that extended voting past the scheduled close of polls, were part of the last tallies that helped clinch President Bush's re-election.

...

Commissioners made the security decisions in a closed-door meeting last week, but didn't publicize the restrictions that were made until after polls closed.

...

"Frankly, we consider that a red herring," (WCPO-TV News Director) Morford said of the county's "homeland security" reason. "That's something that's put up when you don't know what else to put up to keep us out."

...

Having reporters and photographers around could have interfered with the count, (County Prosecutor Rachel Hutzel) said.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:23 AM
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10. 88,000 more votes than voters...hmmmmmmmm
Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters


According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates.

Palm Beach County's supervisor of elections is Theresa LePore who is known for the 2000 Presidential Election and the notorious "butterfly ballot" that caused confusion among seniors and other Floridians.

Other election oddities occurred throughout Florida with some counties registering a 400% increase in expected voter turnout among Republicans while Democrats supposedly experienced a -60% decline in expected support in certain counties. The 50+ counties experiencing the high percentage fluctuations in expected turnout used optical scan voting machines on November 2nd.

Vote discrepancies were also found in Gahanna, Ohio which gave an extra 4,000 votes to President Bush. The error was explained away by Franklin County administrators as a "glitch" in the electronic voting system.

Developing. . .

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000 ...

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:26 AM
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11. ESS and a Bush Connection
mcg (396 posts) Fri Nov-05-04 01:30 PM
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Computer error giving Bush votes caused by ES&S - has Bush connections


At Yahoo News: Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes

<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=2 ... >

"A technician from the Omaha, Neb. company that designed the software,
Election Systems & Software Inc., was working to diagnose and fix the problem."

ELECTION SYSTEMS & SOFTWARE
11208 John Galt Blvd
Omaha, NE 68137-2320
402-593-0101
Aldo Tesi President
Bill Welsh Chairman Of The Board
Michael Limas Chief Operating Officer
Tom Brien Chief Financial Officer
Computer Peripheral Equipment, Optical Scanning Devices

<http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/news/die_bold.htm >

"ELECTION SYSTEMS & SOFTWARE (ES&S).
CEO: Aldo Tesi
Supplies nearly half the voting machines used in the United States.
ES&S is a subsidiary of McCarthy Group Inc., which is jointly held
by the holding firm and the Omaha World-Herald Co., which publishes
the states largest newspaper.
Former conservative radio talk-show host and now Republican U.S.
Senator Chuck Hagel was the head of, and continues to own part
interest in, ES&S (then AIS), who installed, programmed, and largely
ran the voting machines that were used by most of the citizens of
Nebraska, in elections where Hagel won very unexpected landslide victories.
Senator Hagel is a key advocate for the Bush campaign, and with his
experience on the Senate Commerce Committee focusing on telecommunications
and trade, was once considered as a Vice Presidential running mate for
George Walker Bush"

This needs to be media blasted.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:29 AM
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12. House Dems Seek Election Inquiry - Wired
plan9_pub (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 05:47 PM
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House Dems Seek Election Inquiry - Wired


http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65623,00.html?tw ...

Three congressmen sent a letter to the General Accounting Office on Friday requesting an investigation into irregularities with voting machines used in Tuesday's elections.

The congressmen, Democratic members of the House of Representatives from Florida, New York and Michigan, cited a number of incidents that came to light in the days after the election. One was a glitch in Ohio that caused a memory card reader made by Danaher Controls to give George W. Bush 3,893 more votes than he should have received. Another was a problem with memory cards in North Carolina that caused machines made by UniLect to lose 4,500 votes cast on e-voting machines. The votes were lost when the number of votes cast on the machines exceeded the capacity of the memory cards.

In their letter, representatives John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, Jerrold Nadler of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida asked the GAO to "immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to difficulties they encountered and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration."

A shout out for Dems with spines!!!

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.com


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inmania Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:31 AM
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13. kick
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SSX Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:32 AM
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14. Broward County
Broward machines count backward

By Eliot Kleinberg

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Friday, November 05, 2004

FORT LAUDERDALE It had to happen. Things were just going too smoothly.

Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone . . . down.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epap...
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:33 AM
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15. Cobb Calls For Investigation of Voting Irregularities
0rganism (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 10:58 PM
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Cobb Calls For Investigation of Voting Irregularities


Hey, maybe Badnarik will get in on this one, too?

COBB CALLS FOR INVESTIGATION OF VOTING IRREGULARITIES

11/5 - Green Party 2004 presidential candidate David Cobb today called for a thorough investigation of reports of voting fraud, suppression and disenfranchisement.

Its Florida all over again. Except this time, its Ohio where the person responsible for counting votes is chair of the state Bush campaign. Once again there are widespread reports of intimidation, mis-marked ballots and the targeted disenfranchisement of African American voters. Its very possible the election has been stolen for the second time in a row and again the Democrats have conceded rather than standing up for the right to vote and the right for peoples votes to count, said Cobb

Seven counties in Ohio used electronic voting machines which didnt produce paper trails, meaning that fraud would be difficult if not impossible to detect. A number of these counties voting machines were provided by Diebold, Inc., whose CEO is Walden W. O'Dell, a major contributor to the Bush campaign who promised, much like JEB Bush did with Florida in 2000, to deliver Ohio to President Bush. No Republican has ever been elected president without winning Ohio.

There were definitely problems with the vote count in Ohio. For example, I got a call from one reporter at the Ohio statehouse on Election Night who told me the Secretary of State was reporting that Cobb had 45,000 write in votes in Ohio, which was way off the mark. Just the fact that they can count votes without any paper trail whatsoever is truly terrifying. How are we going to know whether the election was valid or not? Why did the exit polls not match the vote? We deserve answers to these questions. Once again, the legitimacy of the entire Bush administration is in doubt, said Cobb-LaMarche Media Director Blair Bobier.

http://www.votecobb.org/news1/document.2004-11-05.81073 ...

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:36 AM
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16. I posted this thread here liberalnproud
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:40 AM
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18. I didn't know someone had done this.
Thanks for the heads up and :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:57 AM
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26. There is so much thanks for trying to get it all in one place
I'm going to post threads here. Maybe you'll know better than I if you have this evidence or not. PLease excuse if you have all this. I don't know if it helps

More evidence of Florida fraud?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

check out the provisional ballots counted in florida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

List of voter intimidation and other poll problems
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Florida Numbers on Op-Scan machines shows HUGE %Drop in Dem turnout??????
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

**WEIRD FL NUMBERS - BRAND NEW**
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Graph of Florida by County by Voting Machine - Change from 2000 to 2004
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Franklin County Vote Tally Attempted Scrub
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Some graphs to further point out how electronic voting was fraudulent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

All current fraud indicators combined into one big thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

:hi:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:38 AM
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17. Vote audit throws results into limbo
jdjkkse (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 04:10 PM
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Vote audit throws results into limbo

Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 05:07 PM by jdjkkse
(Even though this is local (Charlotte, NC) it's important because the error was in our favor so naturally the republicans got the results overturned. Will it be so easy to get the results overturned for the pres. election?)

" A frenzied retallying of early-voting ballots Thursday edged out Democrat Wilhelmenia Rembert out of a Mecklenberg County commissioners seat and added Republican Ruth Samuelson to the board for now...

More than 3,200 votes were removed from results released Tuesday after republicans pointed out a discrepancy in early-voting totals: more ballots than voters."

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/special_pac ...

here's a login from bugmenot if anyone wants to read the whole article:hehateme@hotmail.com/password:zxcvbn



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:43 AM
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19. Computer glitch still baffles county clerk (affects Dem county in Indiana)
shawn703 (632 posts) Fri Nov-05-04 07:44 AM
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Computer glitch still baffles county clerk (affects Dem county in Indiana)


The day after a two-and-a-half-hour delay in counting ballots due to a glitch in a computer program, LaPorte County election officials are still trying to figure out what happened.

"Maybe there was a power surge," LaPorte County Clerk Lynne Spevak said. "Something zapped it."



At about 7 p.m. Tuesday, it was noticed that the first two or three printouts from individual precinct reports all listed an identical number of voters. Each precinct was listed as having 300 registered voters.

That means the total number of voters for the county would be 22,200, although there are actually more than 79,000 registered voters.


more...
http://www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news /...



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:46 AM
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20. Computer May Have Lost 4,500 N.C. Votes
maddezmom (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-04-04 11:49 AM
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Computer May Have Lost 4,500 N.C. Votes


JACKSONVILLE, N.C. - More than 4,500 votes may be lost in one North Carolina county because officials believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did. Scattered other problems may change results in local races around the state.


Officials are investigating whether the lost votes in coastal Carteret County can be retrieved somehow, said state Board of Elections Executive Director Gary Bartlett.


Local officials said UniLect Corp., the maker of the county's electronic voting system, told them that each storage unit could handle 10,500 votes, but the limit was actually 3,005 votes.


Expecting the greater capacity, the county used only one unit during the early voting period. "If we had known, we would have had the units to handle the votes," said Sue Verdon, secretary of the county election board.

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&nci ...

not that it'll matter now, but maybe for next time.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:47 AM
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21. Election problems due to a software glitch (11,283 x-tra for Bush in N.C )
Election problems due to a software glitch (11,283 x-tra for Bush in N.C )

Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 03:56 AM by shawn703
A systems software glitch in Craven County's electronic voting equipment is being blamed for a vote miscount that, when corrected, changed the outcome of at least one race in Tuesday's election.

Then, in the rush to make right the miscalculation that swelled the number of votes for president here by 11,283 more votes than the total number cast, a human mistake further delayed accurate totals for the 40,534 who voted.

<snip>

An override, like those occurring when one attempts to save a computer file that already exists, is supposed to prevent double counting, but did not function correctly, Miller said.


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:47 PM
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97. ES&S has had many problems reported in NC....consistent pattern?
I thought Diebold was the one...yet I keep seeing ES&S cropping up. They are all bad..but which ones seem to be the main culpret in this election?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:50 AM
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22. This shows one way how the media is a co-conspirator
Zorra (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 01:15 PM
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Big Voter Turnout Seen Among Young People


By MARTHA IRVINE, AP National Writer

Under-30 voters came through in big numbers this year, with more than 20 million casting a ballot for president, researchers found. The turnout bested their 2000 showing by more than nine percentage points and heartened activists who worked to get young voters to the polls.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041 ...

Um, am I mistaken, or didn't the RW news sources say on Wednesday morning that young people did not turn out for the election?



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:52 AM
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23. 7. Maybe all this evidence could be sent to the GAO
seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 07:19 PM
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7. Maybe all this evidence could be sent to the GAO


House Judiciary Committee Letter to GAO Investigate voting machines!


November 5, 2004

The Honorable David M. Walker

Comptroller General of the United States

U.S. General Accountability Office

441 G Street, NW

Washington, DC 20548

Dear Mr. Walker:

We write with an urgent request that the Government Accountability Office immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to difficulties they encountered and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration.

In particular, we are extremely troubled by the following reports, which we would also request that you review and evaluate for us:

In Columbus, Ohio, an electronic voting system gave President Bush nearly 4,000 extra votes. "Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes," Associated Press, November 5.

An electronic tally of a South Florida gambling ballot initiative failed to record thousands of votes. "South Florida OKs Slot Machines Proposal," Id.

In one North Carolina county, more than 4,500 votes were lost because officials mistakenly believed a computer that stored ballots could hold more data that it did. "Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes," Id.

In San Francisco, a glitch occurred with voting machines software that resulted in some votes being left uncounted. Id.

In Florida, there was a substantial drop off in Democratic votes in proportion to voter registration in counties utilizing optical scan machines that was apparently not present in counties using other mechanisms. http://ustogether.org/election04/florida_vote_patt.htm

The House Judiciary Committee Democratic staff has received numerous reports from Youngstown, Ohio that voters who attempted to cast a vote for John Kerry on electronic voting machines saw that their votes were instead recorded as votes for George W. Bush. In South Florida, Congressman Wexler's staff received numerous reports from voters in Palm Beach, Broward and Dade Counties that they attempted to select John Kerry but George Bush appeared on the screen. CNN has reported that a dozen voters in six states, particularly Democrats in Florida, reported similar problems. This was among over one thousand such problems reported. "Touchscreen Voting Problems Reported," Associated Press, November 5.

Excessively long lines were a frequent problem throughout the nation in Democratic precincts, particularly in Florida and Ohio. In one Ohio voting precinct serving students from Kenyon College, some voters were required to wait more than eight hours to vote. "All Eyes on Ohio," Dan Lothian, CNN, November 3, http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/blog/1...blog/index ... ..

We are literally receiving additional reports every minute and will transmit additional information as it comes available. The essence of democracy is the confidence of the electorate in the accuracy of voting methods and the fairness of voting procedures. In 2000, that confidence suffered terribly, and we fear that such a blow to our democracy may have occurred in 2004.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this inquiry.

Sincerely,
John Conyers, Jr. Jerrold Nadler Robert Wexler
Ranking Member Ranking Member Member of Congress
House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution
cc: Hon. F. James Sensenbrenner
Chairman

http://forum.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?act=ST&f= ...



from CitySky

when leaders lead judiciously,

let's make sure we darn well support them. From now on, we let them know we're watching -- the good, the bad, and the ugly alike!

Here are my ideas:

1. write to/call the GAO and urge them to follow up on this (contact info above)
2. write to/call Conyers, Nadler and Wexler and thank them (contact info below)
3. write to/call your own Congresscritters and demand they get behind this investigation (contact info at www.house.gov )

Any other ideas?

The Honorable John Conyers, Jr
Representing Michigan's 14th District
John.Conyers@mail.house.gov
2426 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-5126
(202) 225-0072 Fax

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY - 8th)
2334 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Tel. 202-225-5635

Robert Wexler (FL - 19th)
Washington, D.C. Office
213 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-3001 (202) 225-5974 FAX


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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:54 AM
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24. There are so many threads, don't know if this anomoly has been reported ye
desert (185 posts) Fri Nov-05-04 11:42 PM
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11. Are fragments any help here?


There are so many threads, don't know if this anomoly has been reported yet:

Florida Election Results
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us /
Comparing count totals for Turnout from the County Reporting and comparing to the sum for the county for the Presidential Unofficial Returns turns up a red flag here:

Escambia 100.0% reported
scambia
Bush -93,367
Kerry - 48,243
Peroutka -527
Badnarik - 218
Cobb - 48
Harris - 15
Brown - 27
Nader - 545

Total: 142,990
Turnout: 161,183
Missing: 18,193

They expect a percentage of spoiled or undervotes, but this is high in comparison to the others I've checked so far (going alphabetically).


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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:58 AM
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27. Escambia county was where voters were being
run away from the polls. Pensacola Xian College had people harassing and threatening voters.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 04:25 PM
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121. Escambia County is Also Where
among the spolied ballots in 2000, there were hundreds of triple-punched cards and zero double-punched. Clear prima facie evidence of election fraud.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:57 AM
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25. 4. Here is some
shraby (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 06:51 PM
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4. Here is some


More evidence of Florida fraud?
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ... >

Voter Fraud in Volusia Co, Florida:
<http://www.newsjournalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News ... >

Broward machines count backward:
<http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epap ... >

PRELIMINARY PRES. ELECTION FRAUD PROBABILITY ANALYSIS:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ... >

OHIO FRAUD: Bush gets 4258 votes in precinct with 365 voters
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28235-20 ... >

Weird Florida numbers:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ... >



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:01 AM
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28. Did e-voting fraud help Bush steal the election? - Salon.com
Khaotic (13 posts) Thu Nov-04-04 02:58 PM
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Did e-voting fraud help Bush steal the election? - Salon.com


Mentions DU.

I can't help but see that so many of these articles slamming the desent of the election results, the writers refer to the LAST exit poll results.

From what I've seen, the LAST exit poll results are what are in question because they show significant "tweeking" from earlier exit polls; i.e. how can an exit poll go from 1,9** to 2,0** and have the percentage change by 3 or more percent?

Can you say TWEAK?!!!



I'm I wrong on that?

The original article is located at: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/11/04/touch_scre ...

Subscription required.

Time for Americans to start waving the flag and quit wearing it over their heads. Time to question the results if they don't hold up to the only way we have to know if they were skewed; in this case EARLY exit polls.


============================
Did e-voting fraud help Bush steal the election?
The Internets are abuzz with rumors that Bush won with the help of rigged electronic voting machines.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Farhad Manjoo

Nov. 4, 2004 | Lefty Web sites are buzzing with a supposed "statistical analysis" that they say proves that Republicans stole the election by rigging paperless touch screen machines. According to the analysis performed by a Democratic Underground regular who goes by the handle SoCalDemocrat, states that use electronic machines were all showing strong Kerry support in exit polls, but when the results came in, the states went to Bush. The polls (which are based on interviews with voters as they leave the polls) indicate that voters in the state really voted for Kerry, the lefties say; the machines distorted or changed their votes. "Maybe Dubayah believes God will see him through this, but it's going to take more than blind faith to pull the wool over the data and the facts," SoCalDemocrat writes.

But as we see it, SoCalDemocrat's evidence is quite thin. For one thing, he appears to be wrong on the facts. While he's correct that exit polls showed a Kerry victory in many states that actually went to Bush, this didn't only happen in states that use paperless touch screen machines.

The most obvious example is Nevada, the only state in the nation to use what many computer scientists consider to be the safest touch-screen machines -- machines that print a paper ballot that is reviewed by the voter as each vote is cast, a so-called voter-verified paper trail. In Nevada, the last exit polls showed Kerry leading Bush by 49 to 48 percent, with 1 percent for Ralph Nader. The actual result was a win for Bush by 51 to 48 percent.

And even in states that did use paperless touch-screen machines, it's not clear that Bush made his gains in the areas of the states that used them, rather than regions that use other machines. For instance, in Florida, it's the state's large South Florida counties that use paperless touch screens. But Bush did worse in these regions in 2004 than in 2000. In the 2000 race in Miami-Dade, Bush got about 47 percent of the two-party share of the vote, while Al Gore received 53 percent; this year, Bush only got 46 percent of the two-party vote there, while Kerry got 54 percent. What this means is that in the move from punch-card machines (which, as everyone remembers, Miami-Dade used in 2000) to paperless touch-screens, Bush actually did worse, not better. At the same time, the president gained in Orange County, Florida. In 2000, Gore beat Bush in Orange County, whose largest city is Orlando; this year, Kerry lost to Bush there. And Bush didn't need rigged machines to do it: Orlando uses paper-based optical-scan voting machines -- which computer scientists consider more reliable than the touch screen systems.

Even if unfounded, the Democratic Underground set's suspicion is understandable. The exit polls were odd. And who can forget the infamous pledge of Wally O'Dell, CEO of touch-screen machine vendor Diebold, to deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush this year? (Ohio, however, used few paperless touch-screens.) It's certainly worthwhile to scrutinize how the technology functioned in this year's election, but to date there simply isn't the evidence to conclude that the election was "stolen" using it. One way to make sure future presidential races are above such suspicion would be to add paper trails to all the paperless machines.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:03 AM
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29. Carteret tries to solve voting problems (Kingston, NC)
wildflower (634 posts) Fri Nov-05-04 11:33 AM
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Carteret tries to solve voting problems (Kingston, NC)


Not surprising this company is called "UniLect." Snip from article below...

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Carteret tries to solve voting problems
(Kingston Free Press, North Carolina)

snip

The problem surfaced Tuesday night as election officials began reviewing Election Night numbers.

After the polls closed at 7:30 p.m., results quickly poured from computers into the elections office from 33 of the county's 34 precincts. While waiting for the Peletier precinct, where voting continued as late as 10 p.m., election workers began tallying the absentees, no excuses ballots and Election Day tallies. They found their numbers didn't match the numbers they were getting from a computerized printout.

"That's when we started looking," Verdon said.

The county's technical consultants contacted UniLect Corp., the manufacturer of Carteret County's electronic voting system. It was determined that the county had been given misinformation about how many votes the system can store.

more

http://www.kinston.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/Glob ...



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flying_blind Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:43 PM
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73. SAVE these webpages to your hard drives!!! Already gone!
Google cache still there verfiying the story was up.
Once Upon a Time.

I am Staggered to see thsi phenomenon in such frequent use in the days after the "election."

It is truly amazing the way people still believe they have a free press and yet there is this kind of evidence of press control in spades...

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:HjAqzHraFUMJ:www.enc...
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:05 AM
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30. Voting Group Finds Irregularities in South
tjdee (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 12:48 PM
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Voting Group Finds Irregularities in South


"ATLANTA (AP) - A national voting rights group says it documented hundreds of voting irregularities affecting poor and minority voters in seven Southern states - from long lines and faulty equipment to deliberate voter intimidation. "


http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=ne-main ...



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:07 AM
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31. Broward Ballot Blunder Changes Amendment Result
shawn703 (632 posts) Fri Nov-05-04 07:48 AM
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Broward Ballot Blunder Changes Amendment Result


The Broward County Elections Department has egg on its face after a computer glitch misreported a key amendment race, according to Local 10 political reporter Michael Putney.

Amendment 4, which would allow Miami-Dade and Broward counties to hold a future election to decide if slot machines should be allowed at racetracks, was thought to be tied. But now that a computer glitch for machines counting absentee ballots has been exposed, it turns out the amendment passed.


"The software is not geared to count more than 32,000 votes in a precinct. So what happens when it gets to 32,000 is the software starts counting backward," said Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman.


more...
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20041105 ...



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:09 AM
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32. Susan wears tinfoil - "Something BIG is coming."
Nightjock (567 posts) Sat Nov-06-04 08:01 AM
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Susan wears tinfoil


When Susan Sarandon was asked by Bill Mahrer last night what the biggest problem we face is she replied "Voting fraud."

The usually informed Bill did not know what she was talking about and she stated a few examples that you can see in many places here on DU.

Than she said QUOTE

"Something BIG is coming."



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:12 AM
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34. From your post to God's ears. N/T
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:58 PM
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83. She's not alone in this type of statement
It better come fast
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:12 AM
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33. Stinky and Smelly
quaoar (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-04-04 09:09 PM
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Report Says Problems Led to Skewed Surveying Data (exit polls)

Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 09:10 PM by quaoar
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/politics/campaign/05p ...

By JIM RUTENBERG

Published: November 5, 2004


The new $10 million polling system used by many news organizations to predict the outcome of the presidential race had a number of problems that led to the early erroneous impression that John Kerry was heading for victory, according to a report prepared by the system's architects.

The report, written by Joe Lenski and Warren Mitofsky and obtained by The New York Times, details systemic glitches that skewed the data in ways of which several news organizations, who paid tens of thousands of dollars for the service, were not aware.

In some cases, the report said, survey takers could not get close enough to the polls to collect adequate samples of voters opinion. They were often stopped by legal barriers devised to keep people electioneering - not necessarily bona fide poll canvassers - away from voters.

The report also theorized that the poll results more frequently overstated support for Mr. Kerry than for President Bush because the Democratic nominee's supporters were more open to pollsters. Whatever the case, according to the report, the surveys had the biggest partisan skew since at least 1988, the earliest election the report tracked.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:20 AM
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35. More bullshit!
quaoar (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-03-04 10:34 PM
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Bloggers blamed for misleading poll information


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1103eln-exit-pol ...

Associated Press

NEW YORK - News organizations promised Wednesday to look into why their Election Day exit polls showed an initial surge for John Kerry, but also blamed bloggers for spreading news that gave a misleading view of the presidential race.

The exit poll data was delivered at several points Tuesday to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel and the Associated Press by the National Election Pool, a company formed in the wake of the networks' blown calls on election night 2000.

The first wave showed Kerry with a lead of three percentage points in Florida and four points in Ohio - both battleground states won by President Bush when the votes were actually counted, giving the president his margin of victory. advertisement

"Once one part of it is in question and is wrong, it kind of puts the whole thing in question," said Marty Ryan, Fox News Channel's executive producer for political coverage. "It was disappointing. ... During the primary season, it worked very well for us, we were happy with it. But that was not good last night."



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:22 AM
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36. From the Royal Queen of BBV
BevHarris (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 10:14 AM
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It's OK. You can say the "F" word: Fraud. Documents begin tonight


Unless we are hacked out again, we will begin releasing documents this evening. It will be drip drip drip, not a knockout punch.

Very small drips, not because we are trying to stall, but because many of the problem documents beget FOIAs for additional, related documents to rule out the bullshit excuses. In many cases we need to avoid calling attention to what we are looking at until we close the exit doors entirely.

But you can expect interesting reading, though the parts we can release at this time without jeopardizing other stuff will appear nonconclusive.

Heh.

Heh heh.

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting (.ORG)
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

P.S. emergency situation in Nevada, certification at 2 p.m. while enough provisionals are uncounted that it may be able to flip the race.




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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:27 AM
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37. Surprising Pattern of Florida's Election Results
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Surprising Pattern of Florida's Election Results
Look at the Percent Change columns
Explanation, Sources, and Graphical Plots are Below the Chart
by Kathy Dopp, kathy@directell.com, Wednesday November 3, 2004



COUNTY Voting Machine PERCENT CHANGE ACTUAL RESULTS REGISTERED EXPECTED_VOTES Turnout
vendor REP DEM REP DEM TOTAL_VOTES %REP %DEM TOT_REG REP DEM
Broward E-Touch ES&S 28.6% 27.5% 236,794 441,733 686,715 26.8% 50.5% 1,058,069 184,152 346,565 64.9%
Charlotte E-Touch ES&S 24.0% 34.6% 44,402 34,227 79,730 44.9% 31.9% 113,808 35,806 25,435 70.1%
Collier E-Touch ES&S 22.4% 40.0% 82,493 43,277 126,916 53.1% 24.4% 168,673 67,388 30,912 75.2%
Hillsborough E-Touch Sequoia 51.2% 11.0% 241,630 210,892 455,970 35.1% 41.7% 621,201 159,843 190,023 73.4%
Indian River E-Touch Sequoia 17.3% 30.0% 36,744 23,850 61,087 51.3% 30.0% 81,643 31,325 18,343 74.8%
Lake E-Touch ES&S 26.7% 13.6% 73,971 47,963 123,269 47.4% 34.3% 161,269 58,388 42,237 76.4%
Lee E-Touch ES&S 24.2% 33.7% 114,153 76,874 193,326 47.5% 29.7% 304,937 91,895 57,513 63.4%
Martin E-Touch ES&S 8.8% 51.5% 41,303 30,149 72,334 52.5% 27.5% 98,857 37,953 19,905 73.2%
Miami-Dade E-Touch ES&S 31.6% 25.4% 326,362 383,032 713,022 34.8% 42.8% 1,058,801 248,045 305,486 67.3%
Nassau E-Touch ES&S 48.0% -28.9% 23,726 8,543 32,656 49.1% 36.8% 41,353 16,031 12,017 79.0%
Palm Beach E-Touch Sequoia 20.4% 34.8% 174,233 275,030 452,061 32.0% 45.1% 729,575 144,679 204,000 62.0%
Pasco E-Touch ES&S 34.8% 18.9% 103,195 84,729 190,861 40.1% 37.3% 265,974 76,531 71,237 71.8%
Pinellas E-Touch Sequoia 26.5% 30.8% 222,630 222,103 448,875 39.2% 37.8% 590,989 175,947 169,789 76.0%
Sarasota E-Touch ES&S 11.6% 45.0% 104,446 88,225 195,183 47.9% 31.2% 240,592 93,552 60,833 81.1%
Sumter E-Touch ES&S 42.9% -10.9% 19,794 11,583 31,835 43.5% 40.8% 40,523 13,851 13,004 78.6%
1,845,876 1,982,210 3,863,840 5,576,264 1,435,385 1,567,297 69.3%
410,491 414,913

COUNTY Voting Machine PERCENT CHANGE ACTUAL RESULTS REGISTERED EXPECTED_VOTES Turnout
vendor REP DEM REP DEM TOTAL_VOTES %REP %DEM TOT_REG REP DEM
Alachua Op-Scan Diebold 54.2% 11.1% 47,615 62,348 111,022 27.8% 50.5% 142,358 30,887 56,111 78.0%
Baker Op-Scan Sequoia 220.4% -68.4% 7,738 2,180 9,955 24.3% 69.3% 12,887 2,415 6,895 77.2%
Bay Op-Scan ES&S 61.1% -28.3% 53,305 21,034 74,890 44.2% 39.2% 101,315 33,079 29,351 73.9%
Bradford Op-Scan ES&S 145.8% -51.3% 7,553 3,244 10,851 28.3% 61.4% 14,721 3,072 6,663 73.7%
Brevard Op-Scan Diebold 28.7% 13.7% 152,838 110,153 265,075 44.8% 36.5% 338,195 118,772 96,860 78.4%
Calhoun Op-Scan Diebold 433.2% -56.9% 3,780 2,116 5,961 11.9% 82.4% 8,350 709 4,911 71.4%
Citrus Op-Scan Diebold 37.1% 8.3% 39,496 29,271 69,457 41.5% 38.9% 90,780 28,809 27,039 76.5%
Clay Op-Scan ES&S 34.7% -9.2% 61,813 18,887 81,144 56.5% 25.6% 106,464 45,877 20,794 76.2%
Columbia Op-Scan Diebold 114.1% -43.1% 16,753 8,029 24,984 31.3% 56.5% 34,282 7,825 14,119 72.9%
DeSoto Op-Scan Diebold 128.4% -30.6% 5,510 3,910 9,493 25.4% 59.3% 14,901 2,413 5,630 63.7%
Dixie Op-Scan Diebold 358.1% -60.7% 4,433 1,959 6,440 15.0% 77.5% 9,676 968 4,988 66.6%
Duval Op-Scan Diebold 56.5% -9.9% 218,476 157,624 378,330 36.9% 46.2% 515,202 139,605 174,965 73.4%
Escambia Op-Scan ES&S 49.1% -17.1% 93,311 48,207 142,895 43.8% 40.7% 189,833 62,602 58,149 75.3%
Flagler Op-Scan Diebold 25.2% 26.6% 19,624 18,563 38,455 40.7% 38.1% 47,068 15,669 14,657 81.7%
Franklin Op-Scan ES&S 268.1% -47.7% 3,472 2,400 5,930 15.9% 77.3% 7,620 943 4,586 77.8%
Gadsden Op-Scan ES&S 165.7% -15.8% 6,236 14,610 20,948 11.2% 82.9% 26,884 2,347 17,361 77.9%
Gilchrist Op-Scan Diebold 131.2% -50.9% 4,930 2,015 7,007 30.4% 58.6% 9,035 2,133 4,106 77.6%
Glades Op-Scan Diebold 132.8% -35.6% 1,983 1,434 3,434 24.8% 64.8% 5,963 852 2,227 57.6%
Gulf Op-Scan ES&S 148.8% -50.8% 4,797 2,398 7,259 26.6% 67.1% 9,627 1,928 4,874 75.4%
Hamilton Op-Scan ES&S 268.9% -43.6% 2,786 2,252 5,065 14.9% 78.9% 7,645 755 3,994 66.3%
Hardee Op-Scan Diebold 160.7% -53.5% 5,047 2,147 7,245 26.7% 63.8% 10,399 1,936 4,619 69.7%
Hendry Op-Scan ES&S 91.3% -28.3% 5,756 3,960 9,774 30.8% 56.5% 17,144 3,010 5,523 57.0%
Hernando Op-Scan Diebold 28.2% 19.0% 40,137 35,006 75,832 41.3% 38.8% 109,656 31,303 29,428 69.2%
Highlands Op-Scan ES&S 36.7% -3.1% 20,475 12,986 33,687 44.5% 39.8% 60,176 14,976 13,401 56.0%
Holmes Op-Scan ES&S 261.9% -70.0% 6,410 1,810 8,298 21.3% 72.7% 10,982 1,771 6,036 75.6%
Jackson Op-Scan ES&S 178.7% -46.7% 12,092 7,529 19,750 22.0% 71.5% 27,138 4,339 14,127 72.8%
Jefferson Op-Scan Diebold 112.7% -23.6% 3,298 4,134 7,477 20.7% 72.3% 9,300 1,551 5,408 80.4%
Lafayette Op-Scan ES&S 459.3% -69.3% 2,460 845 3,325 13.2% 82.8% 4,309 440 2,755 77.2%
Leon Op-Scan Diebold 40.2% 8.7% 47,902 79,591 128,316 26.6% 57.1% 171,182 34,165 73,214 75.0%
Levy Op-Scan Diebold 126.5% -38.9% 10,408 6,073 16,649 27.6% 59.7% 22,617 4,594 9,940 73.6%
Liberty Op-Scan ES&S 712.3% -59.9% 1,927 1,070 3,021 7.9% 88.3% 4,075 237 2,667 74.1%
Madison Op-Scan Diebold 238.8% -38.7% 4,195 4,048 8,306 14.9% 79.5% 11,371 1,238 6,605 73.0%
Manatee Op-Scan Diebold 28.0% 29.1% 81,237 61,193 143,469 44.3% 33.0% 191,635 63,489 47,394 74.9%
Marion Op-Scan ES&S 34.8% 3.2% 81,235 57,225 139,581 43.2% 39.7% 184,257 60,279 55,427 75.8%
Monroe Op-Scan Diebold 27.3% 37.6% 19,457 19,646 39,517 38.7% 36.1% 51,377 15,286 14,278 76.9%
Okaloosa Op-Scan Diebold 35.8% -12.7% 69,320 19,276 89,288 57.2% 24.7% 127,455 51,059 22,085 70.1%
Okeechobee Op-Scan Diebold 92.6% -27.7% 6,975 5,150 12,184 29.7% 58.5% 18,627 3,622 7,124 65.4%
Orange Op-Scan ES&S 41.5% 23.9% 191,389 192,030 385,547 35.1% 40.2% 531,774 135,299 154,938 72.5%
Osceola Op-Scan Diebold 57.7% 18.8% 32,812 30,295 63,440 32.8% 40.2% 129,487 20,804 25,508 49.0%
Polk Op-Scan Diebold 50.4% -4.2% 123,457 85,923 210,642 39.0% 42.6% 295,742 82,059 89,651 71.2%
Putnam Op-Scan Diebold 110.6% -30.6% 18,303 12,407 30,960 28.1% 57.7% 45,344 8,690 17,878 68.3%
Santa Rosa Op-Scan ES&S 38.4% -22.5% 51,952 14,635 67,175 55.9% 28.1% 96,359 37,543 18,880 69.7%
Seminole Op-Scan Diebold 30.2% 27.9% 107,913 76,802 185,762 44.6% 32.3% 241,230 82,869 60,037 77.0%
St.Johns Op-Scan Diebold 28.7% 8.0% 58,802 26,215 85,699 53.3% 28.3% 109,635 45,678 24,272 78.2%
St.Lucie Op-Scan Diebold 28.6% 26.5% 38,919 43,367 82,798 36.6% 41.4% 137,951 30,272 34,288 60.0%
Suwannee Op-Scan ES&S 163.1% -55.0% 11,145 4,513 15,785 26.8% 63.6% 21,930 4,236 10,035 72.0%
Taylor Op-Scan Diebold 237.1% -53.0% 5,466 3,049 8,580 18.9% 75.6% 11,481 1,622 6,486 74.7%
Union Op-Scan ES&S 297.4% -64.5% 3,396 1,251 4,675 18.3% 75.5% 7,063 855 3,529 66.2%
Volusia Op-Scan Diebold 33.8% 25.7% 100,209 106,853 208,410 35.9% 40.8% 309,930 74,891 85,000 67.2%
Wakulla Op-Scan Diebold 137.8% -37.7% 6,777 4,896 11,763 24.2% 66.9% 15,396 2,850 7,864 76.4%
Walton Op-Scan Diebold 46.2% -29.5% 17,526 6,205 23,939 50.1% 36.8% 32,777 11,987 8,802 73.0%
Washington Op-Scan Diebold 179.6% -58.1% 7,367 2,911 10,363 25.4% 67.0% 14,421 2,634 6,947 71.9%
1,950,213 1,445,675 3,419,852 4,725,026 1,337,242 1,432,425
0.4583847 0.0092501 612,971 13,250

Note: These numbers were calculated when the Florida vote was 98.6% in.

Explanation of What these numbers are, and how they were calculated:
PERCENT CHANGE for DEM, for example, = (Actual DEM Vote - Expected DEM Vote) / (Expected DEM Vote)

This is a simple percent change measure taught in highschool mathematics.

EXPECTED_VOTES REP = the percentage of registered REP * the total number of voters who voted in each county on Tuesday.

EXPECTED votes would normally vary from the ACTUAL votes due to increased voter turnout or other factors. What seems very odd in these numbers is that the increase in ACTUAL votes from EXPECTED votes has a striking pattern of being so much higher for REPs than that for DEMs in counties using optical scan voting machines.

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us / and http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voterreg/index.shtml for registered voters by county and election results by county
http://vevo.verifiedvoting.org/verifier / for voting machine type by county

Statistical Analysis and Visual Charts of the Data
Interesting Graphical Plots of this Data
Statistical Significance & Graph
Pearson's Correlations

Other Election Results Analyzed:
Florida Presidential 2000
Pennsylvania Presidential 2004


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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:30 AM
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38. Could someone please help me.
My husband is screaming "get off that goddamn demographic underground." I also have to get ready to take my kid to baseball practice. I know it is alot of work searching back pages and pages of threads in different forums. But if anyone is interested, I surely would be most grateful.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:33 AM
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39. I'll help you, liberalnproud.
You've done a kick-ass job here.

I'll post a couple of things I found in another forum.

Have fun at baseball practice! :hi:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:38 PM
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72. Thanks.....
you are the best :hi:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:34 AM
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40. More evidence from FL
Here's a conundrum from the Florida results:

Bush - 3,911,825/52%
Kerry - 3,534,609/47%

Referendum question to raise the Florida minimum wage $1

Yes - 4,834,437/71%
No - 1,990,465/29%

Does this mean that 800,000 conservative Bush voters flip-flopped and became progressives before they got to the end of the ballot?

I've sent this question to Greg Palast for his analysis. Any ideas here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:51 AM
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41. Fraud probability analysis
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts)
Fri Nov-05-04 12:06 PM
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PRELIMINARY PRES. ELECTION FRAUD PROBABILITY ANALYSIS

Historically, Exit polls are accurate within 2%

The deviation is the difference in percent between the first exit polls and the vote.

All the following states final results agreed with the exit polls

THEY ALL HAD PAPER TRAILS.

State...% voting deviation from exit polls
+2B means the change was + 2 for Bush

AZ 0
LA +2B
MI 0
IA +1B
ME 0 <no BBV
NV 0 < paper trail
MO -1B
IL 0 paper ballot

..............................................................
Now look at the states that were in play where there was NO paper trail. They ALL had Bush doing MUCH better than the Exit polls indicated.

They were ALL WAY OUTSIDE the 2% MoE.

WI +4B
PA +5B
OH +6B
FL +7B
MN +7B
NH +15B
NC +9B
CO +4B
NM +3B

ALL RESULTS WERE SKEWED TO BUSH!

IS THAT JUST A COINCIDENCE? HOW COME THE SHARP DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BBV PAPER TRAIL AND NON-PAPER TRAIL STATES?

Any deviations above 5% have a probability of 0 to 1%.
Deviation = 4% has a probability of 2%.
Deviation = 3% has a probability of 4%

The JOINT COMBINED probability is VIRTUALLY ZERO that these were just random deviations!

THIS HAS THE MAKINGS OF A CLEAR CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE THAT THIS WAS A MASSIVELY TAINTED ELECTION.

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:58 AM
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42. Minority vote suppression in Detroit
JanMichael (1000+ posts)
Sat Nov-06-04 08:51 AM
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07.21.04: "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote..."

"If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election."

State Rep. John Pappageorge, R-Troy

Read all about the old fascists comments here:

Democrats blast GOP lawmaker's 'suppress the Detroit vote' remark

Wednesday, July 21, 2004

ASSOCIATED PRESS


Democrats on Wednesday denounced a Republican lawmaker quoted in a newspaper as saying the GOP would fare poorly in this year's elections if it failed to "suppress the Detroit vote."

State Rep. John Pappageorge, R-Troy, acknowledged using "a bad choice of words" but said his remark shouldn't be construed as racist.

Pappageorge, 73, was quoted in July 16 editions of the Detroit Free Press as saying, "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election."

"I'm extremely disappointed in my colleague," state Sen. Buzz Thomas, D-Detroit, told reporters Wednesday during a conference call. "That's quite clearly code that they don't want black people to vote in this election."

more... http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm20777_20040721.h...

True, Kerry won Michigan, but I think that the comment pretty well sums up what happened this last week. The fact that electric voting machine companies are mostly a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party, and were likely used in highly anti-Democratic ways, is ugly BUT the Repukes still subscribe to the oldest trick in the book, suppress the vote of those that are likely to oppose you.

I guess that the Bushites don't take the The Voting Rights Act of 1965 seriously? Also that "spoilage" issue falls into the "suppression" camp IMO as well.

We've been suppressed.

I suppose that question that follows is "Now that we know, what are we going to do about it?"

Stay the course?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:09 AM
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43. Parma, Ohio, precinct 5-E
jmknapp (81 posts)
Fri Nov-05-04 02:49 PM
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Ohio precinct number 6450

Kerry 310
Bush 340
Badnarik 3
Peroutka 1

Voinovich 609
Fingerhut 241

total voted for president = 654
total registered voters in 5-E = 972
total ballots cast = 917

Kerry % = 47.4%
turnout = 917/972 = 94%
ballots with no vote for president = 917 - 654 = 263 (40% of total)

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/boe/results/history/2004/1...

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:13 AM
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44. Sarpy County Nebraska
Meritaten1 (172 posts)
Fri Nov-05-04 12:23 PM
Original message

Two recent news stories about a recount in Sarpy County Nebraska (Omaha area) due to unexplained additional votes:

http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=1673

(See "Recount in Sarpy County will begin today" near bottom of page)

-snip-

"Technicians with Election Systems & Software, a company that assists the election office in counting the votes, worked all day Tuesday to analyze the problem.

Gilbert said officials ruled out their earlier theory that some of the computer disks containing vote tallies had been loaded twice. They now suspect that the disk contained "a fatal error" that produced the bad numbers, he said"

-snip-

Apparently, a computer glitch added thousands of votes to the final total.

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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:16 AM
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45. What this means is that there isn't much point in staying to fight.
There won't be fair elections again.
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:24 AM
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46. Zogby predictions on young voters
I posted this here before. A huge statisticial anomaly:

Zogby expected a very large turnout among young voters, with at least 55 percent voting in today's election.

Among voters ages 18 to 29, polls indicate that 0 percent are undecided, Zogby said. He believes that group will give Kerry the edge.

Kerry will get 64 percent of those votes followed by Bush with 35 percent and third-party candidate Ralph Nader with just 1 percent, Zogby said.

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=10289

So Zogby predicted 64:35 for Kerry
It turned out to be 55:45 for Kerry, according to CNN.

This election was stolen from the young voters.

Btw, Zogby now claims he predicted the results quite accurately. That's not true. He predicted a landslide for Kerry.



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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:03 PM
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47. More than 4,500 North Carolina votes lost
Book Lover (1000+ posts)
Sat Nov-06-04 09:51 AM
Original message

Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 09:52 AM by Book Lover

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004...

More than 4,500 North Carolina votes lost because of mistake in voting machine capacity


JACKSONVILLE, N.C. (AP) More than 4,500 votes have been lost in one North Carolina county because officials believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did. Scattered other problems may change results in races around the state.

Officials said UniLect Corp., the maker of the county's electronic voting system, told them that each storage unit could handle 10,500 votes, but the limit was actually 3,005 votes.

<snip>

Officials said 3,005 early votes were stored, but 4,530 were lost.

Jack Gerbel, president and owner of Dublin, Calif.-based UniLect, said Thursday that the county's elections board was given incorrect information. There is no way to retrieve the missing data, he said.

"That is the situation and it's definitely terrible," he said.

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:17 PM
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48. Computer glitch still baffles county clerk (affects Dem county in Indiana)
shawn703 (633 posts)
Fri Nov-05-04 08:44 AM
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The day after a two-and-a-half-hour delay in counting ballots due to a glitch in a computer program, LaPorte County election officials are still trying to figure out what happened.

"Maybe there was a power surge," LaPorte County Clerk Lynne Spevak said. "Something zapped it."

At about 7 p.m. Tuesday, it was noticed that the first two or three printouts from individual precinct reports all listed an identical number of voters. Each precinct was listed as having 300 registered voters.

That means the total number of voters for the county would be 22,200, although there are actually more than 79,000 registered voters.


more... http://www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news/...

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:47 PM
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49. OSCE Says US Election "Mostly" Fair
Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts)
Sat Nov-06-04 07:01 AM
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Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 07:01 AM by Minstrel Boy

Note: The OSCE is the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which deployed 92 observers, including 52 parliamentarians.

OSCE Says US Election "Mostly" Fair
Deutsche Welle, Nov 6

...

The newly implemented voting computers with touch screen technology were a source of much concern before the election, though they appear to have passed OSCE muster. There were only "occasional" failures, the organization said.

But several individual observers were more critical in their personal remarks. Polish observer Konrad Olszewski told the International Herald Tribune that the e-voting system in Venezuela was better protected against failures and errors than the computers used in Florida.

"To be honest, monitoring elections in Serbia a few months ago was much simpler," he added. Serbia uses a unified voting system with paper ballots, which Olszewski said he prefers over all other systems.

His Canadian team partner, Ron Gould, also said he thought Venezuela's e-voting system was more fraud-proof than the touch screens used in Florida. "Each electronic vote in Venezuela also produces a ticket that voters then drop into a ballot box," Gould told the IHT. "Unlike fully electronic systems, this gives a backup that can be used to counter claims of massive fraud."

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1386897,00.htm...

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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:53 PM
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50. It says both sides did it, but maybe there's something here
Voters double-dip in Ohio, Fla.
More than 27,000 are registered in both states, could cast ballots in either place

Sunday, October 31, 2004
Scott Hiaasen, Dave Davis and Julie Carr Smyth
Plain Dealer Reporters
Hundreds of voters could easily cast ballots Tuesday in both Ohio and Florida because they are eligible to vote in both states and have received absentee ballots from election officials in Ohio, The Plain Dealer has found.

And if they do, they almost certainly will go undetected.

These people are among more than 27,000 listed as active voters in both Ohio and Florida who could cast ballots in either of the two states, both among the most closely contested in the presidential race.

Despite increased scrutiny of voting procedures following the 2000 election - and a federal reform law aimed at shoring up the patchwork system - virtually nothing prevents transient voters from casting ballots in multiple states, testing a system that relies more on the honesty of individual voters than on any checks and balances.


http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/ba...
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:44 PM
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51. Miami County, Ohio. Fraud or incredible coincidences?

Miami County, Ohio, pre-official results as of 9am EST Wednesday:

Miami
Bush, George W. Republican 20,807 65.80%
Kerry, John F. Democratic 10,724 33.92%
Badnarik, Michael 55 0.17%
Peroutka, Michael Anthony 34 0.11%
Cobb, David Keith-WI 0 0.00%
Duncan, Richard A.-WI 0 0.00%
Schriner, Joe -WI 0 0.00%
Parker, John T.-WI 0 0.00%
Harris, James -WI 0 0.00%
Zych, Thomas F.-WI 0 0.00%
Precincts Reporting: 100.00% 31,620

After that, they found nearly 19,000 more ballots and changed their results to:

Miami
Bush, George W. Republican 33,039 65.77%
Kerry, John F. Democratic 17,039 33.92%
Badnarik, Michael 101 0.20%
Peroutka, Michael Anthony 56 0.11%
Cobb, David Keith-WI 0 0.00%
Duncan, Richard A.-WI 0 0.00%
Schriner, Joe -WI 0 0.00%
Parker, John T.-WI 0 0.00%
Harris, James -WI 0 0.00%
Zych, Thomas F.-WI 0 0.00%
Precincts Reporting: 100.00% 50,235


Note that they had 100% of their precincts reporting on Wednesday, and still 100% now.

More importantly, note that the Kerry percentage of the votes stayed exactly the same to the one-hundredth of a percentage-point (or, one in 10,000) even after the nearly 19,000 ballots were added to the 31,620 reported earlier. And the Bush percentage was only three one-hundreths of a percentage-point different after the revision. Also, the vote counts for both Bush and Kerry end in the digits 039.

Is all of this a long-shot coincidence? Or, were the revised vote counts scaled up by using the ratios from the first set of results? Was a database or all of the voting machines programmed to cough up results in preset ratios?

If the latter two questions above are true, we have election fraud.

Statistically speaking, it is all but impossible for two sets of ballots, each having tens of thousands of ballots, to have exactly the same mean for Kerry and almost exactly the same mean for Bush.

Coupled with the Gahanna fiasco discovered yesterday, Friday by another DUer, it is evident that Ohio elections are open to fraud and incompetence. Apparently, no one is guarding the chicken house there.

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx...





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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:53 PM
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52. Not sure this fits here, but posting anyway because no known glitches
favoring Kerry adds to my suspicion of chimp fraWd.

holiday (36 posts)
Sat Nov-06-04 10:36 AM
Original message

Did ANY votes accidentally go to Kerry?

I have shown some repubs all these countless articles of votes accidentally going to Bush and they just act like we are nutjobs. Oh well mistakes happen.

But did ANY votes accidentally go to Kerry? I haven't found any article stating that. If it's true wouldn't that seem a little weird? Wouldn't that make people finally step up and listen? Yes mistakes are going to happen but every single mistake just so happens to go in Bush's favor???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:04 PM
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53. E-Voting Machines has a Halliburton/Cheney connection
E-Voting Machines has a Halliburton/Cheney connection. This might be the smoke and gun people right here.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/April2004/Landes0406.htm

Former President, Chief Operating Officer, and Vice Chairman of SAIC is Admiral Bill Owens, who is now Chairman of the Board for VoteHere. Owens also served as Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and was a senior military assistant to Secretaries of Defense Frank Carlucci and Dick Cheney. Carlucci's company is Carlyle Group, while Vice President Dick Cheney's former employer is Halliburton.

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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:06 PM
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54. We have our proof of fraud
Remember diebold's own creator promised he would deliver Ohio and Florida to Bush.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epap...

Officials found the software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts counting backward.

Why a voting system would be designed to count backward was a mystery to Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman. She was on the phone late Wednesday with Omaha-based Elections Systems and Software.

-----------------------

Here is how they cheated by E-machines votes PAY ATTENION

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Stock symbol of Diebold - DBD and history

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

saw this on another forum

Diebold used the old underhanded ATM trick.....Negative vote count aka negative numbers when doing a withdrawl.....So easy to do, it actually reverses the percentages immediately, making it seem like no fraud could happen!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:08 PM
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55. Voter News Service (VNS)
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Landes_Projectio...

The news networks don't just report election news, they create it. But do they also conspire to control election results?



Voter News Service (VNS) is a top-secret private consortium owned by ABC News, The Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC News. It's current headquarters is in Brooklyn, New York. It's been around (under different names) since 1964. It's the only company whose exit poll results are used by the news media to announce the "projected" winners in races for the president, U.S. House and Senate, state governors, and select races.



By 1964, computers were used to predict election outcomes, as well as to count votes on "punch cards." With the use of computerized vote counters and the news networks exclusive control over polling data in major elections, the gates to election fraud were wide open. Computerized voting machines have now made election fraud as easy as stealing candy from a baby.



So how could VNS help rig an election? VNS could conspire with corrupt government officials and crooked voting machine companies (whose reputation for fraud and "error" grows with every election) to come up with projections that closely mirror the expected election results. Then all that's needed is some 'tweaking' in targeted precincts where voting data can be manipulated, voting machines rigged ....and elections swung. VNS follows through with its de facto certification of election results that have already been fixed. If someone suspects vote rigging, there's always VNS to say that the results match their projections.



And with no oversight, who's to know?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:04 AM
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104. What secret?
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 02:05 AM by aquart
They hire college students. I was a college student doing intake at the World Trade Center offices during several elections.

I was there before and after computerization. I took the intake for Texas during Ann Richard's election, and then during her defeat. Once the office went to computer input, we weren't divided by states anymore, we just took whatever calls came. We had two or three long training sessions with tons of practice intake calls from the precincts. They were damn serious about getting this right. There was a set procedure for answering and repeating to make sure the numbers and districts were correct. There was no one in that room who did anything but take the project seriously.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:09 PM
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56. Kenneth Blackwell was the one who assigned diebold to ohio
The same Blackwell that tried to illegally stop Ohio people from voting because of the 80lb paper.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb04/Fitrakis0226.htm

If Ohios Republican Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell has his way, Diebold will receive a contract to supply touch screen electronic voting machines for much of the state. None of these Diebold machines will provide a paper receipt of the vote.

Diebold, located in North Canton, Ohio, does its primary business in ATM and ticket-vending machines. Critics of Diebold point out that virtually every other machine the company makes provides a paper trail to verify the machines calculations. Oddly, only the voting machines lack this essential function.

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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:11 PM
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57. E-Voting machines violate Voting Rights Act
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/April2004/Landes0406.htm

When voting machines are used, critical parts of the Voting Rights Act can't be enforced. Under Section 8 of the Voting Rights Act, 42 U.S.Code 1973f, Federal Observers are authorized to observe" . . . whether persons who are entitled to vote are being permitted to vote ...(and) whether votes cast by persons entitled to vote are being properly tabulated..."


Under "Prohibited acts" in 1973i, the "Failure or refusal to permit casting or tabulation of vote" . . . can result in civil and criminal penalties. "No person acting under color of law shall fail or refuse to permit any person to vote who is entitled to vote...(and) Whoever...knowingly and willfully falsifies or conceals a material fact... shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five year, or both."

Voting machines violate those provisions. Vote casting and tabulation take place inside of a box. Federal Observers can't observe "... whether persons who are entitled to vote are being permitted to vote . . . (and) whether votes cast . . . are being properly tabulated.." Voting machines by their very design "conceals a material fact."
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:12 PM
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58. SAIC is a behemoth military defense contractor
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles7/Landes_SAIC-Vot...

SAIC is a behemoth military defense contractor with a shadowy, if not tarnished, reputation, while former SAIC executives also have ties to VoteHere. Why is that important? VoteHere is a growing company, which aspires to provide cryptography and computer software security for the electronic election industry.



Former President, Chief Operating Officer, and Vice Chairman of SAIC is Admiral Bill Owens, who is now Chairman of the Board for VoteHere. Owens also served as Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and was a senior military assistant to Secretaries of Defense Frank Carlucci and Dick Cheney. Carlucci's company is Carlyle Group, while Vice President Dick Cheney's former employer is Halliburton.



Another former SAIC board member, also on the board of VoteHere, is ex-CIA director Robert Gates, a veteran of the Iran/Contra scandal.



VoteHere is already benefiting from the Diebold debacle, as it will be partnering with Sequoia Voting Systems, "to provide a new level of electronic ballot verification to customers of the AVC Edge touch screen voting system," according to the VoteHere website.



SAIC, which is supposed to vet Diebold's elections software, is itself in the elections business.



On a webpage of Diversified Dynamics (recently purchased by Northrop Grumman), a 1998 legal notice states, "Diversified Dynamics has brought the election process to the technological level of the new millennium by designing the world's most advanced electronic vote recording and election management system. We were supported in this effort by the engineering and software capabilities of Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), a world leader in systems development and integration."



All of the above companies are military defense contractors as well as information technology (IT) firms, whose clients include state governments and federal agencies.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:01 AM
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101. SAME COUNTIES FRAUD 2000/2004 PROOF OF FRAUD
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-13.pdf

Volusia County, Florida:
John Ellis, hired as an analyst for Fox TV News, knew exactly
the margin needed to call the 2000 presidential race for George W.
Bush. He was privy to the Voter News Service data, and he spoke
several times during the evening to his two cousins: Jeb and George
W. Bush.
At 2:09 a.m., the required vote margin appeared from Volusia
County, Florida. At 2:10 a.m., this margin was enhanced by a 4,000-
vote bump in Brevard County, and at 2:16 a.m., Ellis called the race
for George W. Bush. Within four minutes, NBC, CBS and ABC
followed suit. 5
Precisely the right margin appeared on a Volusia County machine
(Global Election Systems, now Diebold), amplified by a Diebold/
Global Election Systems machine in Brevard County. Unfortunately,
these vote totals were incorrect and soon disappeared, along with a
card no. 3 which helped to create them.
If Al Gore had publicly conceded on election night, would we ever
have learned that these votes were bogus? Would there have been a
recount, and could the Help America Vote Act have passed, triggering
the rush to touch-screen machines?
Well never know, but thanks to an internal CBS report and a memo
written by Talbot Iredale, vice president of research and development
at Diebold Election Systems, we now know that the unexplained
replacement of a set of votes on a Diebold optical-scan machine in Volusia
County triggered a premature private concession from Al Gore to George
W. Bush and resulted in TV networks erroneously calling the election
for Bush instead of deeming it too close to call. The final offical
tally showed Gore losing by 527 votes, though the hand recount stopped
by the Supreme Court later gave the election to Gore.
Fox News Network, 29 November 2000: Brit Hume, host: ... It seems a
broken computer modem and a faulty memory card were culprits in the
erroneous election-night call of George W. Bush as the Florida winner ...
computers with a bad memory card caused it to appear for a time that Al
Gore had lost more than 16,000 votes, which seemed to put George W.
Bush up by 50,000 at that stage in the night, an insurmountable margin.
Every network saw that as a basis for calling the state for Mr. Bush. ...
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:14 PM
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59. Teacher's politics disturbs students
http://www.s-t.com/daily/11-04/11-05-04/a01lo839.htm

Teacher's politics disturbs students

First-graders were told Kerry 'kills babies'
By STEVE URBON, Standard-Times senior correspondent

FAIRHAVEN -- A Rogers School music teacher sent first-graders home on Election Day to warn their parents against voting for pro-choice presidential candidate John Kerry because he "kills babies," according to a School Committee member.


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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:15 PM
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60. Colonel Richard Prouty
Colonel Richard Prouty, a very famous insider in the CIA during the sixties, and a strong proponent of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories, has this to say about conspiracies:

"Conspiracies are easy to formulate and execute. It is the cover-up that is hard."

www.prouty.org

Coverups all have a certain smell to them. I can smell this one a mile away. One particulary smelly aspect of any coverup is the "media blitz" planned a long time before the conspiracy happens. This is what we are seeing in effect yesterday and today about the election.

This his how Prouty knew there was a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination. He saw huge full-blown press releases on Oswald, detailing Oswald's life, appearing in the New Zealand press when Oswald had been in police custody for only a couple of hours. This information could have only come from the US National Security organizations, and would have never been given to the press otherwise. Instead, what was given to the press was full-blown, already written articles about Oswald. Prouty recognized the fashion, style, and "smell" of the articles as being a CIA black op. He knew -- he was involved in black ops himself.

What we have seen in the last two days are a series of press releases already prepared long in advance. One of the most damning press releases is the one asking "Why are exit polls so wrong?" This article says that people started getting suspicious that exit polls were wrong when they were so off in the Florida 2000 election! This is SO ABSURD, because the exit polls were right on the money in the Florida 2000 election. As with 2004, the exit polls were off because the voting count was tampered with.

Another blatant coverup example that was CAUGHT was CNN changing their exit poll predicitons on the web for Ohio. They switched their exit poll results at 1:00 AM on Wednesday morning from showing a 2% Kerry lead in Ohio to a 1% Bush lead in Ohio. THESE WERE NOT ELECTION RESULTS, they were exit polls. You can't switch exit polls results, unless you were to take a new exit poll, which is impossible to do after the election is over. CNN did it. They are lying to us.

Another coverup we are experiencing right here in this forum is the instant flooding of the forum by freepers trying to dampen, smash down, or just deflect any discussion of the voter fraud. A lot of these posts are pretty outrageous, but a lot are very mild -- such as "we need to just accept this and move on". Now I know that a lot of regular forum members are saying this too, but the number of NEW members saying this is off the charts.

The coverup is in effect. You can smell it everywhere.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:16 PM
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61. Record of every county Diebold was in
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:17 PM
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62. DIEBOLD'S VOTE-TALLY SOFTWARE- Security Review Instructions
http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html

http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html

Its actually so amazingly open source a young 10 year old could freely fuddle the results.

Left their entire flawed garbage source code out lying around, so we got the proof of how bad the voting counter is
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:18 PM
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63. Diebold's official locations and states that rejected diebold
They put Diebold's G.E.M.S system in pretty much every state besides 20

The states that don't have Diebold's G.E.M.S are ones that rejected it like california, colorado, and so on
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:19 PM
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64. Letter asking GAO to investigate voter fraud claims
Letter to House Judiciary Committe asking GAO to investigate voter fraud claims. Cites AP article and several other stories.

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2...
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:21 PM
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65. Aviel D. Rubin studied 49,000 lines of leaded code from Diebold
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=12961997&BRD=...

Johns Hopkins University Professor Aviel D. Rubin has become a leading opponent against high-tech voting systems. Rubin published the first in-depth security analysis of Diebold's touch-screen voting software.

"He studied 49,000 lines of leaded code from Diebold...and found it contained incorrect use of cryptography and bad software engineering," the Collin County Democrats' release states.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:23 PM
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66. chap. 13 blackboxvoting.org
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:26 PM
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67. Ohio still has hanging chads that isn't being reported on
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:32 PM
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68. Kerry Won
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110504V.shtml

Kerry Won
By Greg Palast
TomPaine.com

Thursday 04 November 2004
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:41 PM
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69. Really Look at the Data, Florida results just don't add up!
Posted at commongroundcommonsense online forum by livvy

http://commongroundcommonsense.ipbhost.com/index.php?sh...

I've been doing some browsing through the posts here today, going to links, etc. One of the links led me to this site: http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

The data is at first glance unimpressive. It looks just like so much of the data of county/state results I've looked at, but look closer, and really study it. There has to be much more data like this out there. I would suggest when we find data like this, we point out the inconsistencies and send it to our Representatives in Congress, particularly the three that drafted this letter:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2... which I picked up from this thread today:
http://commongroundcommonsense.ipbhost.com/index.php?sh...
It's a pdf file which took a while to load on my computer.

Check out this data!
On this chart be sure to read the explanation below the charts, before trying to make sense of the data. Then really look at the expected votes vs the actual votes in the op-scan chart. There are some cases where the numbers are almost flipped, and many where the actual vs the expected votes are doubled/tripled/or more for the Rep. and reduced for the Dems (see Holmes, Putnam, Suwannee, and Union Counties for some examples). This does not make sense at all considering what the pre-election polls for Florida were showing. Could that many Dems in Florida suddenly have had a fit of the "lazies" on election day, and just not voted? Doesn't seem very likely to me.
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:21 PM
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70. Palm Beach County Logs 88,000, More Votes Than Voters
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000...

According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates.

Palm Beach County's supervisor of elections is Theresa LePore who is known for the 2000 Presidential Election and the notorious "butterfly ballot" that caused confusion among seniors and other Floridians.

Other election oddities occurred throughout Florida with some counties registering a 400% increase in expected voter turnout among Republicans while Democrats supposedly experienced a -60% decline in expected support within certain counties. The 50+ counties experiencing the high percentage fluctuations in expected turnout used optical scan voting machines on November 2nd.

Vote discrepancies were also found in Gahanna, Ohio which gave an extra 4,000 votes to President Bush. The error was explained away by Franklin County administrators as a "glitch" in the electronic voting system.

Update: Palm Beach County has updated their numbers and added 91,802 absentee ballots and 1,041 provisional ballots. The vote totals for president increased by 1,543. To view an archived copy of the previous report, click here. While Palm Beach County appears to have accounted for the discrepancy, this underscores the flaws in the system and data compilation
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:27 PM
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71. Remeber this county and the butterfly ballots? This is highly suspect
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:46 PM
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74. DU INFO ALERT: Why Recounting in New Hampshire Could Save Democracy
IdaBriggs (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-04 07:42 AM
Original message
DU INFO ALERT: Why Recounting in New Hampshire Could Save Democracy

Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 07:58 AM by IdaBriggs
Earlier this week I did an analysis of the New Hampshire voting data comparing 2000 to 2004 because of work posted by Faun Otter here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ... .

The results are posted here: www.invisibleida.com/New_Hampshire.htm

The biggest non-trend anomalies occur where AccuVote (Diebold) machines are used. The only way to verify what the heck is going on is to compare the RAW DATA with the REPORTED DATA and New Hampshire has a paper trail.

So I started begging/nagging for a New Hampshire recount. The problem was that only a candidate could request it. Bush wouldn't, I couldn't get a hold of Kerry despite playing Kevin Bacon for two days, and so I BEGGED Ralph Nader (ON EDIT: through his campaign team) to do it instead, and he is doing it.

I believe this is going to help heal the nation -- either there is fraud (intentional or otherwise), and it will be uncovered, or there isn't, and we need to cope. If New Hampshire shows fraud, then we move on to the next state, and the next, and the next...hopefully, before the Electoral College meets in December!

You can read some of the threads I've posted about this in greater detail over in the "Presidential" board. I'm sorry, but I've been working my tuckus off (and I've been sick with bronchitis), so I haven't been doing my part to keep folks updated. I'll try to do better.

Meanwhile, we're going to need some more volunteers on Monday to make phone calls to the states for recount qualifications. (I think the team doing that has 12 (ON EDIT: states, not people) so far!) Also, there is going to be "running different places with paperwork" requirements (this was almost our undoing on Friday!), as well as a whole bunch of other stuff that I'm sure will pop up unexpectedly. If you want to help with this effort, speak up!

TWO THINGS YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW:

1) Read this thread so you know what's going on (and keep it kicked, please) -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

2) and then then THIS thread (kick again) AND E-MAIL THE RALPH NADER STUFF TO EVERYONE like I asked (but please delete my excited commentary at the top and keep it private to DU, okay?) -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

I'll try to do better at keeping folks informed. For those who care, I can tell you straight out -- this whole thing started because of DU -- and the people who have helped out -- NBI, BBV, AND MORE -- deserve the thanks of this nation.

Its not over, people. Its only JUST BEGUN.

ON EDIT: If you don't read the thread links before making (negative) judgments, please don't bother responding. I've got too much work to do wasting my time on people who WANT to stay uninformed when the data is easily available. Also, if you don't think it will work, that's fine; everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I've still got a lot of work to do.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:52 PM
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77. THANK YOU!!! Thank You For Doing This!!!
I see alot of people complaining here but I haven't read about how to take action.

Thank you for posting this.

Please let me know if I can help.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. You are absolutely awesome!
And owe us no apology for anything.

Feel better soon!
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:20 PM
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96. I'll help out. . .
Kick!!!
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:49 PM
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75. The Exit Polls vs. the Actuals: Who do you believe-CNN or your lying eyes?
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-04 08:21 AM
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The Exit Polls vs. the Actuals: Who do you believe-CNN or your lying eyes?

Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 09:06 AM by TruthIsAll

Exit Poll 2PM Exit Poll 4PM.........Actual Votes
Kerry Bush Diff Kerry Bush Diff Kerry Bush Diff BushGain
AZ 45 55 -10 45 55 -10 45 55 -10 0
LA 43 56 -13 43 57 -14 42 57 -15 1
MI 51 48 3 51 48 3 51 48 3 0
IA 49 49 0 49 49 0 49 50 -1 1
NM 50 49 1 50 48 2 50 50 0 2
ME 53 45 8 55 44 11 53 45 8 3
NV 48 51 -3 48 49 -1 48 51 -3 2
AR 45 54 -9 45 54 -9 45 54 -9 0
MO 46 54 -8 46 54 -8 46 53 -7 -1
IL 55 44 11 55 44 11 55 44 11 0

average 48.5 50.5 -2.0 48.7 50.2 -1.5 48.4 50.7 -2.3 0.8


ALL THESE STATES SHIFTED TO BUSH BEYOND THE MOE - NO PAPER
TRAIL
AVERAGE BUSH NET GAIN: 6.25%

Kerry Bush Diff Kerry Bush Diff Kerry Bush Diff BushGain
WI 52 48 4 52 47 5 50 49 1 4
PA 60 40 20 53 46 7 51 49 2 5
OH 52 48 4 51 49 2 49 51 -2 4
FL 51 48 3 50 49 1 47 52 -5 6
MN 58 40 18 54 44 10 51 48 3 7
NH 57 41 16 58 41 17 50 49 1 16
NC 49 51 -2 48 52 -4 43 56 -13 9
CO 48 51 -3 46 53 -7 46 52 -6 -1

average 53.38 45.88 7.50 51.50 47.63 3.88 48.38 50.75 -2.38 6.25


See reply #1 to this thread to use these graphics links:

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:52 PM
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76. All current fraud indicators combined into one big thread.
requiem99 (484 posts) Fri Nov-05-04 10:25 PM
Original message
All current fraud indicators combined into one big thread.


If this isn't enough to get it out, I have no idea what will do it. More stuff is coming in every few hours, too.

The first thing I'm going to point out is that the media is claiming the pollsters all got it "way wrong", especially the exit pollers, and in states Kerry was projected the clear winner by the exit polls, Bush won, often by a clear margin.

This is a lie. The exit polls were ONLY way off in states with electronic and optical scan voting. States with paper ballots were just fine, and the exit polls were almost never off more than 1 or 2 percent. This graph will help, taken from official election statistics and AP exit polls:








Next, here are some basic Florida election calcs, provided with sources at the bottom:

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

In order to believe that these numbers are legit you have to believe that in Calhoun county, just as one example, which has 11.9% registered Republicans and 82.4% registered Democrats, voted in favor of Bush 3,780 to Kerry's 2,116.

To put that number more clearly for you, those numbers assume that even if every single one of the 994 registered Republicans (based on the 11.9 percent number) turned out AND voted for Bush (100 percent party loyalty and 100 percent turnout rate), 2,786 democrats crossed party lines and voted for Bush, and considering John Kerry only got 2,116 votes, that means he only got 43.2 percent of the Democratic vote. FOURTY THREE PERCENT. And that means the other 57 percent voted for Bush (minus 0.5 for Nader/Others). Do any of you buy all that? Also, while some of these counties did go to Bush in 2000 despite a heavy democrat registration favourability, they didn't go to him by NEARLY the numbers he got this year. Also, places where Dem registration was way up, like Miami-Dade county, Kerry didn't win by much. Somehow Bush managed to get tons of new voters from areas his registration didn't go up much in. Hmm?

Now, I know Independents are left out of this graph, but lets give George Bush the benefit of the doubt and assume that he carried the Independent chunk of the vote (20 percent or so at most) by 100 percent, EVERY SINGLE VOTE. In the county we just talked about that STILL would not get him NEARLY the vote he got, and that would mean Democrats turned out at about 35 percent to vote for Kerry. NOT. POSSIBLE.


Now here are a few media articles beginning to trickle out commenting on voting 'irregularities' -- Notice how these nearly always favour Bush, and these are only the ones we know about.

Broward County (HEAVILY democratic county in FL) machines count backwards:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/cont...WVOTE_1105 ...

638 Voters total in county, Bush got 4,258 (Ohio, of course!)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/...s.ap/index ...

Palm Beach county FL somehow has 88k 'extra' votes to account for

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum...ves/000715 ...

European commentary on some of the graphs from my earlier post, and other things. If you think WE don't believe in our system, imagine how these people are seeing this.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4175

*** This last bit was taken from TRUTHISALL's post, sorry I cleaned up the wording a little bit to make it more clear and less inflammatory. Also the summary is partly mine. ***

Exit poll numbers compared with final vote tally numbers:

These are PAPER BALLOT states:
AZ LA MI IA NM ME NV AR MO IL

HERE ARE THE EXIT POLL AVERAGES FOR THESE STATES:
Exit poll
.....Kerry Bush
2pm 48.50 50.50
4pm 48.70 50.20
Final vote: Kerry 48.50, Bush 50.70

Not much change, right?
The EXIT POLLS did just fine, right?

Now check this out.

These are the NON-PAPER BALLOT states:
PA OH FL MN NC CO

HERE ARE THE EXIT POLL AVERAGES FOR THESE STATES:
Exit poll
.....Kerry Bush
2pm 53.50 45.88
4pm 51.50 47.63

Final: Kerry 48.38 Bush 50.75. The numbers get turned around for Bush. In fact, they look just like the final 51-48 result.

What happened here? Bush was losing in these very critical states, but then the EXIT POLLS started to change, unlike those in the paper ballot states in which the exit poll percentages held constant and were EXTREMELY ACCURATE until the polls closed.

Explain this, if you can: ONLY states without paper ballots suddenly started to move from Kerry to Bush.

Stumped? I'm not, but then, I'm not afraid to use the F word.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:57 PM
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78. From the BBV Goddess
BevHarris (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 10:14 AM
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It's OK. You can say the "F" word: Fraud. Documents begin tonight


Unless we are hacked out again, we will begin releasing documents this evening. It will be drip drip drip, not a knockout punch.

Very small drips, not because we are trying to stall, but because many of the problem documents beget FOIAs for additional, related documents to rule out the bullshit excuses. In many cases we need to avoid calling attention to what we are looking at until we close the exit doors entirely.

But you can expect interesting reading, though the parts we can release at this time without jeopardizing other stuff will appear nonconclusive.

Heh.

Heh heh.

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting (.ORG)
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

P.S. emergency situation in Nevada, certification at 2 p.m. while enough provisionals are uncounted that it may be able to flip the race.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:04 PM
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79. Franklin County Vote Tally Attempted Scrub
RBHam (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-05-04 08:04 PM
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Franklin County Vote Tally Attempted Scrub


UPDATE! November 5, 2004: Here is a *big* surprise: The Franklin County voting results .pdf files have *suddenly* been removed from the Franklin County Board of Elections homepage.

Everyone, please contact these Reichwing whackjobs, and DEMAND that 'Unofficial Abstract of Votes - General Election - November 2, 2004, Franklin County, Ohio Offices,' page 23, be restored.
And, I do mean *demand.*

Cheers, the CLG investigation team, http://www.legitgov.org /

Here is their contact information: webmaster@co.franklin.oh.us .

Email GOP Ohio Secretary of State, J. Kenneth Blackwell's office: guide@sos.state.oh.us . Oh. Be sure to call Blackwell, too: 614-466-3910.





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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:06 PM
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80. Nader asks for NH recount! Official news! Will prove fraud!
FullCountNotRecount (589 posts) Sat Nov-06-04 10:27 AM
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Nader asks for NH recount! Official news! Will prove fraud!

Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 10:32 AM by FullCountNotRecount
I hadn't heard this in the news (but what do you expect from the media?)Nader as a candidate is the only one who can request a recount. He made the 5pm deadline but will have to go to court about the check.

I don't understand those on DU who don't want to see if we can prove Fraud. Maybe that secret meeting with Kerry was about doing this.

Please support this. Ralph may need money. If we win this one it sets a precedent for checking the computers in every other state.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?artic

Edit: Meeting where Kerry and Nader didn't reveal what they talked about early in the campaign.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:11 PM
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81. I have to do some housework.
Please keep this kicked. Anyone who wants to add to this thread will be greatly appreciated.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:07 PM
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84. No Stolen Elections!
Sunday, November 7th 2004 08:00 am
Denver, CO USA

Several Denver area voting activism groups will be meeting on Wednesday evening to discuss all of the vailable information and will plan appropriate action based on what specific problems are.


Contact:
Karen Trietsch
CodePinkCO@justpeaceworks.orghttp://www.codepinkcolorado.org
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:24 PM
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87. Thanks for the kick n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:38 PM
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85. Linked records of voter fraud and intimidation. Comprehensive.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 05:43 PM by bigtree
VotersUnite!

presents the following compilation of problems reported in the media about the 2004 general election. Starting with early voting, we are seeing a wide array of problems, some of which appear in multiple states. This page allows you to see how widespread the problems are as they accumulate: http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp

Active local communities increasing your voice by uniting with others across the nation. http://www.votersunite.org/info/groups.asp

Compare and Contrast:

Election equipment
malfunctions
across the U.S. http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?sort=da...

Vendors pat themselves
on the backs.
Hart: http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.j...

ES&S: http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.j...


Spread the Truth! Inform your local election officials about e-voting. http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/distribute-mythbr...

Participants have confirmed that "Myth Breakers for Election Officials" has been delivered to 827 local election officials. But there's still a lot to go! http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/mythbreakers.pdf

Sign up for your county
http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/myth-signup1.asp

Check the status of your state
http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/mythbreaker-count...


Votergate
Worth the time! http://www.votergate.tv /

Mess-up du jour: http://www.votersunite.org/info/mess-updujour.asp

Mess-ups
by vendor: http://www.votersunite.org/info/messupsbyvendor.asp

Local Groups: http://www.votersunite.org/info/groups.asp

ElectionIntegrity, Washington State: http://www.electionintegrity.com/scripts/default.asp

A news article (http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1084316008117 ) published May 13, 2004 tells about a "serious bug" found by Orlando Suarez in Miami-Dade's ES&S election equipment nearly a year earlier. ES&S had known about this serious bug for nearly a year and has not fixed it.

The audit log and the vote image report are unreliable. For example, the audit log failed to report machines at the precinct and reported "phantom" machines instead. It assigned votes from the missing machines to the "phantom." The vote image report failed to report machines AND failed to report votes.

Fri, Jul. 09, 2004
Documents detail more voting machine flaws: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/9111841.htm?1c

Voting news articles are provided here for research and educational purposes. They do not review each article in its entirety prior to its posting: http://www.votersunite.org/news.asp

Thoughts on Paper http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29461-20...
Editorial Washington Post 06 November 2004
PREDICTIONS THAT touch-screen voting machines would enable massive fraud on Election Day seem to have gone the way of Y2K. Still, watchdog groups are continuing to report machine failures, including screen malfunctions that voters said hindered attempts to record their choices accurately. That is the haunting question still not addressed in most states using touch-screens: Without any paper records of how votes were cast, who will ever know how accurate the machine tallies were?


Samuelson campaign manager alleges votes were also undercounted http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/110504ccjrw...
TONY BURBECK WCNC-TV 06 November 2004
After Mecklenburg County election officials announced they believed they had overcounted the number of ballots in the hotly contested congressional race, campaign staff believes some votes were undercounted in the recount.


Democrats' leader decries voting glitches http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/288078640794824.php
By HAROLD GWIN The Valley Vindicator 06 November 2004
SHARON, Pa. Mercer County Republicans aren't really concerned about glitches with county voting machines that caused problems in Tuesday's election.


Paper trail tested for e-vote devices Story Here Archive
Elise Ackerman San Jose Mercury 06 November 2004
During the two weeks leading up to the presidential election, one of the country's most sophisticated polling places was in one of the most unlikely locations: a parking lot behind the Mirage Hotel on Las Vegas' famous neon Strip.


Election problems due to a software glitch http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/10115218.htm
Sue Book New Bern Sun Journal 05 November 2004
A systems software glitch in Craven County's electronic voting equipment is being blamed for a vote miscount that, when corrected, changed the outcome of at least one race in Tuesday's election.


Stop the buck: Management, not system, at heart of election fiasco http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/editorials/article/0,171...
Editorial DailyCamera Boulder News 05 November 2004
More than two days after most voters in Boulder County marked their ballots, there was understandable outrage, intense water-cooler conversation and general amazement that, for all intents and purposes, their votes meant nothing.


Gambling vote glitch mars tally http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/10103931.htm
ERIKA BOLSTAD AND CURTIS MORGAN Miami Herald 05 November 2004
Broward County corrected a computer glitch Thursday that had miscounted thousands of absentee votes, instantly turning a slot-machine measure from loser to winner and reinforcing concerns about the accuracy of electronic election returns.


County resets software, recounts 81,000 ballots http://www.theolympian.com/home/news/20041105/topstorie... SHANNON THE OLYMPIAN 05 November 2004
The Thurston County elections staff recounted an estimated 81,000 ballots first tallied Election Day after learning that computer software wasn't set up properly for the first count.



Computer Loses More Than 4,000 Early Votes http://www.wsoctv.com/news/3892151/detail.html
The Associated Press 05 November 2004
Jacksonville, N.C. More than 4,500 Carteret County votes have been lost because officials believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did.


State readies for touch-screen voting http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/10108...
Associated Press 05 November 2004
SIOUX FALLS, S.D. - The state will use $5 million in federal money to buy touch-screen voting machines that will be in place for disabled voters in 2006.


L.A. County May Stick With InkaVote Ballots http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-inkavote5nov05,...
Stuart Pfeifer, Los Angeles Times 05 November 2004
Los Angeles County may continue to use its temporary InkaVote balloting system for several more elections, despite complaints from some voters that the system is difficult to use and evidence that it's less accurate than touch-screen machines.


Software flaw found in Florida vote machines http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/shared/news/p...
By Eliot Kleinberg Cox News Service 05 November 2004
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. It had to happen. Things were just going too smoothly. Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone ... down.


Ohio Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Votes http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/articles/2004/11/05...
JOHN McCARTHY Associated Press 05 November 2004
COLUMBUS, Ohio - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.


Fanello Wants Audit Into the New Election Equipment http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=2528788&nav=3w... 05 November 2004
The President of the Vanderburgh County Commission says she won't spend another dime on election equipment until there's an audit on its performance.


Glitch Found in Ohio Counting http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/06/politics/campaign/06o...
JOHN SCHWARTZ New York Times 05 November 2004
An electronic voting machine in hotly contested Ohio added 3,893 votes to President Bush's tally in a suburban Columbus precinct, even though there are just 800 voters there.


Winner so far: Confusion http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/101045...
By MARK JOHNSON for The Charlotte Observer 05 November 2004
RALEIGH For a few brief hours on Wednesday, N.C. Agriculture Commissioner Britt Cobb saw his Tuesday election loss turn to a win. By Thursday, he was losing again.


Incoming elections chief eyes scanners http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/local_new...
By Mary McLachlin Palm Beach Post 04 November 2004
WEST PALM BEACH When Arthur Anderson takes over as supervisor of elections in January, he wants to explore trading in Palm Beach County's $14 million electronic touch-screen voting system for an optical scanner system, he said Wednesday.


Waiting in Wichita http://www.timesrecordnews.com/trn/local_news/article/0...
Robert Morgan/Times Record News 04 November 2004
Wichita County's voting solution may come today in the form of two officials from the Texas Secretary of State's office and a computer programmer from Elections Systems and Software.


Lancaster County counts by hand after malfunction http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/100943... BOTZENMAYER-BROWN Charlotte Observer 04 November 2004
LANCASTER, S.C. - Huddled in the basement of the Lancaster County Administration Building, election officials late Wednesday were manually tallying results of about 1,600 absentee ballots.


Over 2000 more stories- Start Here: http://www.votersunite.org/news.asp?offset=20

Related News: http://www.votersunite.org/relatednews.asp

Add Voters Unite News To Your Site: http://www.votersunite.org/news-rss.asp

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:23 PM
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86. kick
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BQueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:28 PM
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88. ES&S "Former Employee" accessed rural OH BOE Computer in Oct.
Found this story in today's local rag:
http://www.theeveningleader.com/articles/2004/11/06/new...

Saturday, November 6, 2004
Board awaits state followup
By ERIN MILLER

WAPAKONETA -- Auglaize County Board of Election members say they have not heard any more from the state regarding a possible investigation after receiving notice of being placed on administrative oversight last week.

(snip)

In a letter dated Oct. 21, Ken Nuss, former deputy director of the Auglaize County Board of Elections, claimed that Joe McGinnis, a former employee of Election Systems and Software (ES&S), the company that provides the voting system in Auglaize County, was on the main computer that is used to create the ballot and compile election results, which would go against election protocol. Nuss claimed in the letter that McGinnis was allowed to use the computer the weekend of Oct. 16.

Nuss, who resigned from his job Oct. 21 after being suspended for a day, was responsible for overseeing the computerized programming of election software, according to his job description. His resignation is effective Nov. 11.
(snip)
****************************
This is a county where I *thought* they had stopped the purchase of the machines, otherwise I would have considered being a plaintiff -- so I did check. Surprised to find an ES&S machine waiting to eat my vote. All the precincts (St. Marys) I watched the next day had ES&S as well -- one was a bellweather precinct that had been manipulated shortly before the election (3 precincts merged to 2 -- all low income -- and polling place merged with another 6 precincts). Maybe screwed with Kerry's projected numbers?

Plenty of other weirdness here as well -- the BOE moved prior to last November, but all their info on their own web site and all local directories still list at the old address and phone -- no signs at old address (perhaps so only those who paid attention to local Wapak news would know where to go?) When I complained about that, this BOE Director was extremely defensive.

Also, our local Dem Chair endorsed w, was forced to resign, and we only got an HQ 2 weeks before the election -- they knew this county was gonna go under the radar...

Sent the article to BBV crew and posted in the Auglaize County Forum on BBV-- Any other ideas what I should do with this?

My polling place was DESIGNED to screw with people just as much as any urban center, and I really wonder about why that was -- emailed and spoke with other rural area voters, no lines, no problems (so far).
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BQueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:51 AM
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98. Add some Law = FRAUD
The Ohio Revised Code

" 3599.42. Prima-facie case of fraud
A violation of any provision of Title XXXV <35> of the Revised Code constitutes a prima-facie case of fraud within the purview of such title."
http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com/oh/lpExt.dll?f...
and

" 3599.16. Misconduct of members or employees of board of elections
No member, director, or employee of a board of elections shall:
(A) Willfully or negligently violate or neglect to perform any duty imposed upon him by law, or willfully perform or neglect to perform it in such a way as to hinder the objects of the law, or willfully disobey any law incumbent upon him so to do; ***"
http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com/oh/lpExt.dll?f...

heh heh heh...

There may be a more directly applicable passage, I haven't had time to comb the code since I saw the story -- been disseminating it....but that offense covers a lot of territory...
:bounce:

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MassLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:10 PM
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89. kick n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:41 PM
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90. .
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:42 PM
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91. Here we Go, Florida Democrat Goes to the FBI
AIndependentTexan (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-04 01:37 PM
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Here we Go, Florida Democrat Goes to the FBI


The Democratic contender for US House of Representatives in Florida's 16th disctrict, Jeff Fisher, has gone to the FBI, claiming conclusive proof of the hacking of the 2004 and 2002 elections. Things are moving, people, don't stop putting the pressure on the media and our reps:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:45 PM
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92. Election-day footage from Michael Moore: Video the Vote
jinuu (481 posts) Sat Nov-06-04 05:53 PM
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Election-day footage from Michael Moore: Video the Vote

Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 05:55 PM by jinuu
(snip)

Dave Pentecost is one of a number of volunteer filmmakers who worked with Michael Moore to document election day conditions at polling sites throughout Ohio. Background on the project in a previous BoingBoing post: Link.

Dave sends BoingBoing this short movie comprised of excerpts from footage they captured on November 2, 2004. Much of it was apparently edited on laptops in the back of a bus. He says:

"Our thanks to People for the American Way and Election Protection. My apologies to the Jayhawks for not clearing the music first. (I'm still waiting to hear back, their rights person is in transit, I'll do it next week). The decision to go ahead was mine. This was shot by a dedicated group of 20 volunteer filmmakers, but any faults in the editing or focus of this video are my responsibility. The organizers of the trip will release a longer selection of statements by voters who had problems voting."

links to download movie here:
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/11/06/electionday_footag ...

**Edited to warn you that it took me almost 2.5 hours to download on my dialup.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:49 PM
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93. They think they have dodged a problem.......stinky stinky
spotbird (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-06-04 02:37 PM
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Voting Problems in Ohio Set Off an Alarm


Voters in Ohio delivered a second term to President Bush by a decisive margin. But the way the vote was conducted there, election law specialists say, exposed a number of weak spots in the nation's election system.

"We dodged a bullet this time, but the problems remain," said Heather K. Gerken, who teaches election law at Harvard. "We have problems with the machines, problems with the patchwork of regulations covering everything from recounts to provisional ballots, and problems with self-interested party officials deciding which votes count."


Had the electoral math been only a little different, lawyers would be examining even closer finishes in other states.

*more*

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/politics/campaign/07e ...


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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:56 PM
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94. In Duval Co. Fl 219,251 votes for Bush, only 190,111 registered Republican
Fla Dem (482 posts) Sat Nov-06-04 01:01 PM
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In Duval Co. Fl 219,251 votes for Bush, only 190,111 registered Republican


I've been reviewing numbers for the past few days, and this one struck me as a little odd.

Duval County in Florida was the scene for a lot of accusations in the 2000 vote, mostly for voter suppression. So it certainly deserves some scrutiny. Add to that the County Supervisor for Elections resigned suddenly for health reasons just prior to the 2004 elections. Duval County is considered to be Republican country, however the voter registration numbers do not bear that out. Here are the numbers for 2000 and 2004.

Republican

2000 Regs....152,008...36%
2004 Regs....190,111...41%

2000 Votes...152,098...58% / 98 more votes than registered Republican.
2004 Votes...219,251...45% / 29,140 more votes than registered Rep.

Democrat

2000 Regs....211,762...50%
2004 Regs....238,264...46%

2000 Vote....107,864...41%...Only 51% of Reg Dem count.
2004 Vote....158,121...42%...66% of Reg Dem count.

I know there are crossover voters, but the total turnout for Duval was 74% of registered voters. Republicans get 115% of their registration, while Dems get 66%. Doesn't seem right to me. But someone with a little more political statistics savvy should take a look.

Couple of other issues jumped out at me all in Florida:

Highlands County had 7,495 more votes than turnout.
Collier County had 943 more votes than turnout.
Miami-Dade had 51,979 more votes than turnout.
Palm Beach had 90,774 more votes than turnout.
Osceola had 18,589 more votes than turnout.
Volusia had 19,306 more votes than turnout.

At first I thought these may be absentee, but that seems a little high.

Escambia County had 18,193 fewer votes than voters.
Lee County had 1,001 fewer votes than voters.

These numbers may mean nothing, and may be normal for any general election. However I don't have the expertise to say whether these aberrations are normal or not.

I've put together several Excel spreadsheets for the Florida vote:

1.) 2004 Presidential Results, total vote/voter turnout by county, also showing which type of equipment was used.

2.) Voter Registration for 2000 & 2004, by Republicans/Democrats by county.

3.) Presidential Results, by county, Republican/Democrat 2000 & 2004.

Don't know how to upload or post but if anybody is interested, let me know.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:03 PM
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95. According to Florida voter data this election was stolen. PERIOD
Caution (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-04-04 02:29 PM
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According to Florida voter data this election was stolen. PERIOD

Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 02:30 PM by Caution
of the 36 counties which have a majority of registered Democrats only 8 of them voted Kerry. 28 went Bush. Not a single county with a majority of Republican regsitrations went Kerry. The numbers are staggering. When you look at voter registrations in the various Florida counties and then look at the "actual" results, there is simply NO WAY that something didnt go wrong.

Just one example:
Calhoun County - 8,350 registered voters
82.4% of whom are registered as Democrats. (6,880)
11.9% of whom are registered as Republicans (933)

Actual results?
Kerry - 2,116
Bush - 3,780

And this wasnt even the most egregious example.

I find it VERY hard to believe that assuming 100% repub turnout that 41% of the registered Democrats in Calhoun county voted Bush.

In op-scan counties, 108,340 more ballots were case Republican than there were registered republican voters.

Adjusted based on the voter turnout, 612,971 non-republicans voted for Bush in these counties.

so that's 41% of the democrats voted Bush.

And notice that the 41% of total dems voted Bush across the state is exactly the same percentage in Calhoun county alone.

This is FUCKED.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm


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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:54 AM
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99. kick
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100. kick 2
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:02 AM
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102. LIST OF ERRORS
"We know that in ONE PRECINCT in suburban Columbus, the voting machines were wrong by almost 4,000 votes.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/200...

"We know that in Broward County, Florida, the same type of machine had similar errors and was off by 70,000 votes.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/10103931.htm?1c

"We know that in Jacksonville, North Carolina, a computer glitch lost 4,500 votes.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&nci...

"We know that in Michigan City, Indiana, a computer glitch caused a 57,000 vote error -

"We know that in Craven County, NC, Bush received credit for 11,283 more votes than were actually cast in that county

http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/Gl...

"That's a combined error of roughly 150,000 votes that have been confirmed by the mainstream news media thus far.

These are machines that have no paper trail. Is this acceptable to you?"

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/48089077.html

Get aboard the real story - evoting has been discredited (http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00196.htm ;

Florida registrations versus actual votes

http://www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm

Government officials ask for investigation

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2...

Nader requests a recount of NH
http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=400
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:17 AM
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107. Thanks there Mr. Texas.
Love your posts recently :-)
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:59 AM
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103. kick'd
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 03:43 AM
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105. .
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 07:23 AM
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106. I'm surprised at the light response to the effort here.
Then again, on reflection, given the conversations I've had with scores of depressed Dems, I guess I'm not all that surprised. Just disappointed I guess. It will probably pick up as the coverage increases, but it won't increase unless we blast the info to our media outlets . . .
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:21 AM
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108. All that matters is that people read it.
On the same note I am hoping someone from the Kerry campaign sees it and passes all of it on.

And...........

If they don't make a move, I am finished, I am done being an advocate. The BBV effort to inform congressmen and senators and media has been huge. THEY KNOW, if they don't do anything about it now, then I will conclude THEY ARE IN ON IT.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 06:06 PM
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110. I always say I'm done
then I just shift focus a little and keep going. I think it's a sickness. :P

Hope the Kerry camp will not fold just yet. Lots to be done to keep their pledge to see that all the votes are counted.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:44 AM
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112. How about including the European press?
Visualize SCREAMING HEADLINES WORLDWIDE, "*STOLEN ELECTION PROVED BY ANGRY CITIZENS"
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:51 AM
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113. There is an effort here in this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



But I got to tell you. I am getting very bummed out. It really seems that the efforts are going to be futile.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 03:09 PM
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109. kick
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 07:00 PM
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111. EVOTING FRAUD RESOURCE CENTER
Find info here - make suggestions

http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud.htm


Sections:

Article Sections:

11-2-04 and newer:

Featured

Evoting

On Site

Other voter fraud

Older



Other Sections:

Web sites

New Additions

Legislation

Things you can do



Hundreds of resources available through these pages

UPDATED CONSTANTLY. CHECK THE "New Additions" PAGE EACH TIME YOU COME BACK


SPREAD THE WORD. PROPAGATE THIS EVERYWHERE!

(Lots of bandwidth)
Du post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Please send me suggested links, etc.

I'm not getting here 'nuff to keep up completely here.
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:14 AM
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114. Kick!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:26 AM
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115. Update from VotersUnite
11/7/2004 Provisional ballots FL Broward County accepted on 2428 provisional ballots out of a "ton" of them. In many cases, clerks at the polling places gave provisional ballots to people who could have voted regularly, deputy registrar Salas said. She thinks many clerks had trouble with last names of voters with compound names -- they simply couldn't find their names in the precinct registers, even though they were there. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/10112736.htm

11/7/2004 Registration fraud NJ Hundreds, perhaps thousands of students at Rutgers University thought they were registered only to find that they weren't on the rolls and could only vote provisionally. Many colleges are reporting the same problem. http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-7/1099810...

11/7/2004 User-unfriendly design TX Willacy County. Too few memory packs somehow caused the County Clerk to read machine reports wrong and initially report double the votes for president. http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/10123432...

11/6/2004 Machine malfunction PA Mercer County. Problems shut down Unilect Patriot electronic voting machines for all or most of the day. http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/288078640794824.php

11/6/2004 Machine malfunction PA Mercer County. Accuracy of the Unilect Patriot machines are in serious question. One machine recorded 51 votes for president out of 289 ballots cast. The county's Web site reports that 51,818 people cast ballots but 47,768 ballots were recorded in the presidential race, including 61 write-ins. About 4,000 votes could be unaccounted for. http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/288078640794824.php
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:45 AM
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116. News updates from VotersUnite

http://www.votersunite.org/news.asp


E-voting goes (mostly) smoothly, but suspicions, critics remain http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2004/1108/news-evote-11...
Michael Hardy Federal Computer Week 07 November 2004
Electronic voting technology got its first major test in the Nov. 2 election, and for the most part, the machines seemed to work well.


Willacy County elections figures corrected http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ts_comments.php?id=P62...
ELIZABETH PIERSON Brownsville Herald 07 November 2004
AUSTIN, November 7, 2004 In an attempt to save money on election materials, the Willacy County Clerk inadvertently gave Sen. John Kerry a false boost in the countys tabulations.


'Florida happens' - even in North Carolina http://www.jdnews.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/Globa...
MADISON TAYLOR TheDailyNews (NC) 07 November 2004
The state Board of Elections, motto: "We generally pooh-pooh boo-boos large, small and in-between," issued an uncharacteristically stern order Friday. They did so to a previously little-known California company by the name of UniLect Corp. This is what the order said:


Carlos Guerra: Is it wise to gamble with the integrity of our elections? http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA1107...
Carlos Guerra San Antonio Express-News 07 November 2004
After a firestorm of voter suppression charges and election results contests in Florida paralyzed the nation for weeks in 2000, leaders in both parties vowed never to let it happen again.


Officials tepid about ballot change http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2004/11/07/news/...
MATTHEW VAN DUSEN Northwest Times 07 November 2004
VALPARAISO | Down in the basement of the Porter County Administration Building, there is a room with huge stacks of gray attache cases that make up the technology of democracy.


E-voting reliability still has a ways to go http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/business/technolog...
Dan Gillmor San Jose Mercury 07 November 2004
It didn't take long after last week's elections for the conspiracy theories to take flight. One, in particular, started to ricochet around the Internet even before John Kerry conceded the election to President Bush and it blamed alleged tampering with electronic voting machines for Kerry's defeat.


Board awaits state followup http://www.theeveningleader.com/articles/2004/11/06/new...
ERIN MILLER The Evening Leader 07 November 2004
WAPAKONETA Auglaize County Board of Election members say they have not heard any more from the state regarding a possible investigation after receiving notice of being placed on administrative oversight last week.


Thoughts on Paper http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29461-20...
Editorial Washington Post 06 November 2004
PREDICTIONS THAT touch-screen voting machines would enable massive fraud on Election Day seem to have gone the way of Y2K. Still, watchdog groups are continuing to report machine failures, including screen malfunctions that voters said hindered attempts to record their choices accurately. That is the haunting question still not addressed in most states using touch-screens: Without any paper records of how votes were cast, who will ever know how accurate the machine tallies were?


Samuelson campaign manager alleges votes were also undercounted http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/110504ccjrw...
TONY BURBECK WCNC-TV 06 November 2004
After Mecklenburg County election officials announced they believed they had overcounted the number of ballots in the hotly contested congressional race, campaign staff believes some votes were undercounted in the recount.


Democrats' leader decries voting glitches http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/288078640794824.php
By HAROLD GWIN The Valley Vindicator 06 November 2004
SHARON, Pa. Mercer County Republicans aren't really concerned about glitches with county voting machines that caused problems in Tuesday's election.


Paper trail tested for e-vote devices http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/10115218.htm
Elise Ackerman San Jose Mercury 06 November 2004
During the two weeks leading up to the presidential election, one of the country's most sophisticated polling places was in one of the most unlikely locations: a parking lot behind the Mirage Hotel on Las Vegas' famous neon Strip.


Sarpy County Recount: 3,000 phantom votes detected http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/editorials/article/0,171...
WOWT Omaha 06 November 2004
The recount is over in Sarpy County and 3,000 phantom votes were apparently in the mix on Election Day.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:33 PM
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117. Do you have any information on New Hampshire.
Or Ohio. Is there gonna be recounts?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:17 PM
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122. Try Newslink to monitor local newspapers and television
http://newslink.org /


Nader requests N.H. vote recount

By KEVIN LANDRIGAN, Telegraph Staff
landrigank@telegraph-nh.com

Published: Saturday, Nov. 6, 2004

CONCORD - Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader requested a hand recount of ballots in New Hampshire after getting seven-tenths of 1 percent of the vote.

>>>>Naders recount request came in as a fax at 4:59 p.m., one minute before the deadline.

The application is not legal, however, because it did not come with payment, according to Assistant Attorney General Bud Fitch.

At this point, we arent considering it to be a valid request, he said.

Anyone who loses by more than 1 percent of the vote has to pay for a recount, he said, noting the cost statewide could be $80,000.

Nader can appeal that decision to the state Ballot Law Commission.

More:
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:03 PM
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118. Election stolen, group suspects
struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-08-04 09:58 AM
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Election stolen, group suspects


60 meet at UW, plan next steps

By Bill Dunn
November 8, 2004

American democracy: a shining city on a hill or gutter politics that steals votes and suppresses voter intent?

To about 60 people who gathered Saturday at the UW Humanities Building, it's more like the latter.

Sue West of Rockford, Ill., saw notice of the "No Stolen Elections" meeting on the Madison Area Peace Coalition's Web site. The meeting followed an anti-war rally that attracted 500 to 600 people to State Street and the Capitol.

"I think we need to protest this election no matter what Kerry does," said West, originally a Dennis Kucinich supporter. "I think it's fraud, pure and simple." <snip>

http://www.madison.com/tct/home/topstories/index.php?nt ...





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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:09 PM
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119. Some "prophecy"
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:33 PM
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120. "MSNBC's Olbermann to Focus on '04 Voter Fraud Tonight and/or Tomorrow"
"MSNBC's Olbermann to Focus on '04 Voter Fraud Tonight and/or Tomorrow"

Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:31 PM by liberalnproud
"MSNBC's Olbermann to Focus on '04 Voter Fraud Tonight and/or Tomorrow"
Posted by Khaotic
Go get 'em Keith!

==========================
George, John, and Warren
Keith Olbermann

<a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=9&k=new%20yo ... " illegal code"window.status='NEW YORK'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">NEW YORK</a> - Here's an interesting little sidebar of our system of government confirmed recently by the crack Countdown research staff: no Presidential candidate's concession speech is legally binding. The only determinants of the outcome of election are the reports of the state returns boards and the vote of the Electoral College.

That's right. Richard Nixon may have phoned John Kennedy in November, 1960, and congratulated him through clenched teeth. But if the FBI had burst into Kennedy headquarters in Chicago a week later and walked out with all the <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=9&k=file%20c ... " illegal code"window.status='file cabinets'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">file cabinets</a> and a bunch of employees with their raincoats drawn up over their heads, nothing Nixon had said would've prevented him, and not JFK, from taking the oath of office the following January.

This is mentioned because there is a small but blood-curdling set of news stories that right now exists somewhere between the world of investigative journalism, and the world of the Reynolds Wrap Hat. And while the group's ultimate home remains unclear - so might our election of just a week ago.

Rest of story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...



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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:18 AM
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123. kick
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RyomaSakamoto Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:20 AM
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124. MSNBC's Keith OLBERMANN is reporting it ----------------> mp3
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 12:20 AM by cpryor19
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:30 AM
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125. Kick
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126. Kick!
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