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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 06:15 PM
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I think a Kucinich/Moseley-Braun team would be the ticket!
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 06:17 PM
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1. you are funny
fighting fire with a box of matches.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 06:18 PM
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2. Great ticket
I'm sure they'd find a few extra states for us to lose, 50 would not be enough
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 06:20 PM
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3. Dean-Moseley-Braun is my dream team.
Actually, I'd like to see her first but I believe in being realistic.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 06:28 PM
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4. That would be a great team
Moseley-Braun is the perfect running mate for Dennis. Both are honest and intelligent and both have an incredible amount of integrity.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 06:54 PM
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5. I could'nt agree with you more!
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 07:09 PM
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6. okay
I'd vote for that.

But you know it's not likely, even if Kucinich were to pull way ahead. Carol's negatives are rather high, and their issues and constituencies overlap somewhat. He'd be better served rubbing shoulders with a more "moderate" progressive with some foreign policy creds.
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 07:19 PM
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7. Kucinich/Lee
Dennis and Barbara work so well together.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 07:21 PM
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8. I could see one or another - but not both
First, at this moment, I do not believe either candidate is strong enough to win the country and a combination of both of them together would make a weak ticket against Bush. This could very well change with Kucinich in a few months since he seems to be the new "it" candidate - a relative unknown who is moving quickly up the charts. But unfortunately Carolyn isn't going very far with her campaign.

Second, Carolyn and Dennis are both from the same general region of the country - Midwest (Ohio and Illinois). I hate to be trendy, but democrats need someone from the South if they are going to have any chance of winning (doesn't matter if it's president or Vice President).

However, this could change. I've been following Kucinich's campaign ad I'm excited to see his movement is growing. If he doesn't make president, yes, he would make an great vice-president. He's young enough that I'd love to have him oval office for 16 years (please note - I'll say the same of just about every other candidate including my own, Howard Dean)
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 07:41 PM
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9. I'd prefer Kucinich/Clark
myself. I think Clark would reassure people that Kucinich's cuts to military spending wouldn't hurt the troops or defense, as well as ensuring he would use military force with reasonable causes.

Also Clark could be a good ally with some of the more conservative congress-members just because of his experience and blunt honesty. I think he commands respect and has a distinct air of common sense and practicality which would help balance Kucinich's *dreamer* image.
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UpstateNYDem Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 07:54 PM
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10. You reallly...
You really take the time to worry about something like this?
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 08:10 PM
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11. I prefer to imagine in private.
Putting things out there THIS EARLY makes the whole primary selection event more like a HORSE RACE, instead of a studied thoughtful stupendously important decision.

DK would be great in any administration except a Lieberman admin,because DK would mop the floor with Lieberman and JL wouldn't know it happened!!
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 08:27 PM
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12. A one-way ticket to the political wilderness
NT
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 09:17 PM
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13. I like that ticket, but they'd lose big time.
I think they would lose 50 states. Don't get me wrong, if that were the ticket, I'd give them my vote, my contribution and time for volunteering. I think they'd be great. However, I do think they're way too far left for mainstream America, and therefore I think they'd get blown away.

I may be wrong, but at the moment that's what I think. In order for Kucinich to win the general election, he would have to get many, many new voters -- people who were never involved in politics before -- to register and vote for him. I say this because I know there are plenty of moderates who voted for Gore but would never vote for Kucinich (and Gore barely won). So, what are the chances we'd get that many new people to become involved in politics, and what's the chance that all of them would end up becoming far leftists who would vote for Kucinich?

I would think that if more people become involved in politics, they'd statistically fall in about the same places in the political spectrum that the current voters are now: that is, about 25% left-wingers, 25% right-wingers, and 50% middle-of-the-roaders. I have no reason to think that somehow 90% of new voters would automatically agree with us.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 09:21 PM
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14. braun isn't as liberal as kucinich
it may work. but while braun is pretty liberal herself, she also leans towards bill clinton's side on economic issues. she has said this is how she sees herself as different from many other candidates.i think kucinich/conyers would be one of the best though, although conyers would do good on the top of the ticket as well.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 01:38 AM
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18. reminds me
I need to do some transcribing.

Braun's position has evolved somewhat, as has the DLC's, but hers more so. A few weeks back she was saying that her vote on NAFTA was wrong. Although she still promotes global trade, she now says she would insist on labor and environmental standards before entering into any trade agreement. She got hearty applause in Iowa for her absolute stand against importing products made with child labor.

And while she talks about new industries and a changing economy, she has been saying more about revitalizing manufacturing.

Like Clinton, iirc, she also has been tying health care to competitiveness, particularily in the export sector. Her plan for universal coverage, I believe, goes farther than what Clinton was proposing.

Curious. How does Clinton himself assesses Clintonomics now?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 09:37 AM
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19. shows a need to improve rather than turn back
i don't know about clinton himself says, but i do believe if he did not have a right wing congress that hated him his policies would have been better than they were. i think many of the things we are finding out show where we can change or improve things rather than totally going back on the policies. there are positives and negatives, we should continue with the positives but fix the negatives. working on social and economic policies isn't so simple. it takes learning and experience. your point about moseley braun on nafta is a good example. while she liked the intention of it, she also saw a negative side which she wants to fix.
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 09:51 PM
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15. It can't work
While I really like Carol Moseley Braun, her biggest detriment is that her last election was a loss. If she'd managed to beat Peter Fitzgerald (she nearly did, against all odds, in a fairly good year for Democrats) then she wouldn't be considered such a longshot. I doubt she'd be running for president (she'd probably be focused on being elected to a third senate term) but she'd be considered one of the top three or four senators.

Though I do believe that a Southerner needs to be on the ticket somewhere, I also feel that a liberal could fill out the ticket. If Edwards or Graham win the nomination, someone like Russ Feingold, Patty Murray, or Debbie Stabenow could be nominated.
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RBitt Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:26 PM
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16. Kucinich is a good guy,
but the steaks are too high. The 30% of the vote that is in play is not as forward thinking and progressive. I like his ideas, but the political realities give me pause. The rest of the folks out there arent going to investigate the issues as well as you and I will. We all have made some thoughtful analysis of the issues and have come to our own conclusions.
I don't expect that from the general public. More people listen to shity pop music than the classics, but it does not mean that pop is better. We need to look at the saleability of the whoever we put up there. That is the most important issue> Anyone but *, or Liberman. After that let's try to draw that candidate to support our core issues.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:38 PM
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17. You summed it up perfectly.
Edited on Tue Aug-19-03 10:38 PM by GOPBasher
"More people listen to shity pop music than the classics, but it does not mean that pop is better."

I could not have said it better.

By the way, welcome to DU! :)
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 05:29 PM
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23. I understand what you're saying
But I respectfully disagree. The number one problem with Kucinich's chances right now is simply that his message isn't getting out there as fast as it should to make a good leap forward.

The press is pushing him aside to put more emphasis on centrist candidates, a lot of the time, or that's the way it appears to me. Several articles have out and out lied, saying that Dean was the only candidate to oppose the Iraq war, and so on.(BTW,that's not a Dean slam it's a shot at the lousy press who don't bother to check the facts)

I don't know why the press blows him off, but they do. I think most people in America are fed up enough they'll welcome a radical change like Kucinich. The real trouble is they don't know he's even out there.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 10:56 AM
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21. She has a lot in common with Lincoln
He lost a Illinois Senate race before being elected President. He had it more difficult though. One of his opponets was the guy who had just beat him out for Senator.
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 09:45 AM
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20. Moseley-Braun I dunno
I've been surprised at how well Moseley-Braun has been sounding and carrying herself these days. I lived in Illinois when she was a senator, and there's a reason why she lost her senate seat in a reliably democratic state: she was flaky, met criticism with arrogance, didn't always seem like the brightest bulb in the lamp shop, and had a thing for west african dictators. But she was mostly a dependable liberal. Maybe she's changed...
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 04:07 PM
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22. How many votes can you control with Ohio and ILL?
at the convention?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 07:30 PM
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24. It Would Close The Field and Pool Their Resources
As neither has a realistic chance at winning, they could at least fortify their position for awhile longer. This is a win-win situation.

However, I think Ms. Braun was given the green light by people wanting to undercut Sharpton's claim on black votes. If that is true, I can't see how this move would help that scenario.
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