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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:57 AM
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Poll question: How Do you Feel About The News Today of Saddam's Capture?
I have to expound on number 6--because I ran out of room. What I mean is there'll be lots of celebrating, gloating, etc., before the media settles down and starts asking about why it took so long, why it cost so many lives, and when the eventual attacks keep on coming, everyone realizes that our soldiers aren't any safer, nor is the world safer now that we've got him.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:58 AM
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1. I'll watch the local weather forecast.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:00 AM
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2. I get the weather forecast sent to me via e mail
through my-cast.com. So there is no need to watch the weather reader on the corporate news.
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:03 AM
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3. I am glad he has been captured
He needs to stand trial and answer for what he has done to his people. Our troops may be home sooner than if he hadn't been captured. I don't care for the mission, but I support the troops.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:05 AM
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4. well...I guess I'm "supposed" to feel good about this
Because he is a <repeat like the good sheep that I am> "brutal dictator" who "killed thousands of his own people."

But he was also a guy who posed no threat to us. And a guy who managed to keep a hostile area of the world relatively sedate (albeith through brutal tactics). And a guy who was a secular muslim leader instead of a hardcore fundamentalist.

But I think in cold, crass political terms. I think it's good for Bush so I think it's bad for me. So I'm not happy, and I don't care if it's politically incorrect to say so.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:35 AM
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14. My gut reaction was "Shit"--good news for Dumbo
And speaking of politically incorrect, I'm glad it happened now instead of next October!
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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:06 PM
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45. but what really being a liberal?!?!?
Not too long ago, when dictators-for-life (who slaughtered a third-of million of his own people and dumped them into mass-graves) were finally captured and brought to jutice, liberals would cheer! Truly celebrate! Wrongs righted...and all that.

Now we're just supposed to sulk because it's temporarily not expedient, politically?! I'm not real comfortable with such a thick layer of hypocracy, so I'm going let myself feel good about the Iraqis cheering that Saddam is off their backs. We can stand a fight another day. This is a historical moment that's been a long time coming. AndI'm not going to let DU's bizarre, rampant pessimism submerge my common sense. This is good news. Even Dean said so.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:10 PM
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46. Hey, how good is it? He never posed a threat, it doesn't change the
situation in Iraq--the attacks on US troops will continue, and the world is now a less safer place because Dumbo spent all our resources on this pointless charade.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:06 AM
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5. I'm tellin' ya....
the WMDs were in there with him, but the soldiers thought it was just empty whiskey bottles and a shopping cart.

When they went back to look again, they were gone....AGAIN.:tinfoilhat:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:08 AM
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7. Yeah, and they completely overlooked the command center he
had set up in that hole.

Seriously, how are they gonna spin it when the attacks just keep on comin'??????????????????????????
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:08 AM
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6. Other: what are they going to do with this man???
:scared:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:09 AM
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8. A so-called trial, and then execution--what else?
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:13 AM
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10. But ...
oh, Im not sure, but: then he would be kind of martyr or so. No good idea.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:17 AM
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12. I absolutely agree with you that it's not a good idea--he will become
a martyr. But I doubt the folks in charge of the whole shebang will agree with us. I think they see the execution as setting an example.
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:51 AM
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18. so...suicide?...cancer?
:scared:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:58 AM
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No, they'll execute him--and make a big to-do about it!
But only Faux News will get the exclusive rights to showing it live!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:13 AM
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9. CNN just said that Gen. Sanchez has said that we can expect attacks
to go up for a while now. I think he's being tooooo optomistic. The attacks are going to increase. The Iraqi people will not demand our exit because the main focus of our supposed intentions has been captured. The Shi'ites will really start to kick Sunni ass, and the Sunni's who've suddenly lost power and status will start to fight back.

This is the non-event of the season. The guy was never going to come back into power in Iraq anyway. He was doomed to spending the rest of his life hiding in "holes". And I would sure hate to be an Iraqi native of Tikrit right now. That whole town will be declared a "terrorist" region simply because he was there hidden for so long.

In the long run this will make the Shi'ites bolder, they will demand we leave now and let them decide the fate of THEIR country because of this.

By the way, can't you hear the negotiations for Saddam's confession as we sit here? "Hey Saddam, you just tell the world that you had WMDs and chemical and biological weapons and we'll see to it that you spend your remaining years in a nice, country-club type prison with all the amenities of home. Satellite tv, microwave, the works."

Oh yeah, and how much access will the outside world have to the guy? We'll never know what he really has to say, what really was going on. Because just like the rebuilding contracts in Iraq that we are going to control completely, the Administration is going to tie this guy up so tight and cut off all access to the outside world. The only stuff that's going to come out is what they want to come out. And I think it will be as dependable as the rest of the "intelligence" that we've gotten about the Iraq situation to date.



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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:15 AM
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11. Yeah, just like the non-event of the statute toppling
Dumbo, Holy Joe and Fux news were gloating ad nausea, and then reality set in.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:34 AM
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13. BFD
where's osama been forgotten? waz up in afganistan? Jobs?
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:45 AM
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15. BFD is certainly the reality of this story, but it's not how the media wil
play it.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:09 PM
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29. what is "BFD"? n/t
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:04 PM
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31. SeriouslY? If you are, then BFD stands for....
Big Fucking Deal!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:48 AM
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16. OTHER!
Poppy Bush should have caught Saddam years ago!
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:51 AM
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17. I expected this closer to election time
You should feel proud of our military for getting him. Keep your heads up, we can still win in November. I expect some wmd by then but still keep on fighting.

And where the hell is Osama, the guy who actually attacked us?
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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:47 PM
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27. Yeah the Kurds who tipped off Iran really messed it up for BushCO
I bet Rove is just steamed, they were supposed to capture him next year in October!!!!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:53 AM
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19. I'm surprised more than anything
I never thought they'd take him alive--not because he'd fight to the death--but because a live Saddam is dangerous to the Bush GOPNAC Cabal.

As for the occupation of Iraq, I doubt it will make much difference.

This still begs the question about why we invaded in the first place. Conquering the country, killing Iraqis, capturing Saddam--it all only has meaning because the Bushies tell us so. By what authority do we invade and occupy another country and arrest its citizens?

The American media will never ask this or any other of the right questions.

He was never a threat to me or any other American (at least until Bu$hco invaded), so his capture is inconsequential. I'll go about my family and holiday activities today as usual.

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:57 AM
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20. I would rather watch this
than anything dealing with Michael Jackson.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:58 AM
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21. glad he is off the streets
and happy he will not be an October Suprise. Face it, he would be caught sooner or later--he has too many enemies
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:03 PM
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23. So you think, they ll have him at Guantanamo till next summer
and then have a show trial? NO good idea
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:02 PM
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22. "No Gloating"
is the official word from the White House.

yeah, right
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:10 PM
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25. Welcome--and you're right! Gloat is Dumbo's permanent expression!
He can't physically wipe that smirk off his face if he tried--it's genetic!
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amandae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:10 PM
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24. Still trying to figure out how he plays into the "war on terror"
Where's Osama??????????? Now that capture I could get behind celebrating (even though I realize that it wouldn't be the end to al Qaeda and someone else would take his place as leader once he's captured!). It's difficult to celebrate the capture of this man when I don't feel we should have been there in the first place. Yes, he's an evil man, but it's something we didn't mind (hell, we SUPPORTED him!!!) not so many years ago, all of a sudden he's the devil incarnate???

How can repugs gloat over this?? The attacks against soldiers will still continue, because the people of Iraq don't want us there!! They don't want us to occupy them and maybe our soldiers haven't been briefed on this but our policy with Israel doesn't exactly make us the most popular country among Arabs! I firmly believe that the attacks against our soldiers were not in support of Saddam as much as they were to show that they don't support U.S. occupation.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:38 PM
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26. Good rant--and you're absolutely right!
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:59 PM
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28. Thrilled!
The next four weeks is going to be very interesting.
Signed,
an information junkie
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:05 PM
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32. Do you believe there'll actually be "information" coming out of all
of this, or just more propoganda????????
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amandae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:07 PM
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34. If you live in the U.S. - propoganda
If you live anywhere else in the world - information.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:16 PM
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35. True, the capture of Saddam is merely symbolic, and hard questions
that will expose this farce will NOT be asked.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:21 PM
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30. I thought: "Damn! Good, albeit irrelevant, news for BushCo"
Then I thought... "Well, at least now that he's captured, we can concentrate on bringing to justice every other tinpot homicidal dictator we've installed throughout the world".


HAHAHAHAHA! I KILL me!
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45th Med Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:06 PM
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33. TV OFF! Can't stand all the gloating and sucking up going on right now...
how pathetic!
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:23 PM
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36. I agree, TV News Off!
I'd rather watch VH-1 Classics and laugh at the 80s videos than watch CNN.

Today's capture was good news for the Iraqi people, but I hate to see all the media slimbags verbally masturbating all day. Barf.

I still don't think this bodes well for Bush in the long run. I still think he'll be removed from power.
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Liberal Christian Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:32 PM
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37. Call me a cynic
I just can't help wondering about some timing. I can't help wondering if we actually knew where Saddam was for awhile and were keeping him under wraps for capture when the Evil White House Cabal needed something to deflect attention from something like the current allegations about Halliburton overcharging.

Am I tooooo cynical???
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Braden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:48 PM
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38. Saddam was a murderous thug
but it still doesn't justify the war. Thats how I feel. They can gloat all they want. Our soldiers will continue to die over there. This war is hardly over.

The whole future of a nation hangs in the balance and we just removed the one man all Iraqi's feared. Who's next?
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:11 PM
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39. True, and he obviously wasn't a murderous thug behind all the recent
attacks--wonder how they'll spin it as the bombings and killings continue.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 07:27 PM
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40. I smell a plea bargain ( if Saddam squeals on Osama)
Nothing would get the Chimp all hot and aroused than Saddam spilling the beans on the whereabouts of Osama binLaden. I bet there will be some type of plea bargain or special dispensation offered by the US for Saddam if he can tell exactly where Osama is hiding.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 07:37 PM
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41. The problem with that is that I'm sure Saddam has no friggin' clue
where Osama is.

No correlation--that's the huge problem with us invading Iraq--it's not part on the war of terror.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 07:44 PM
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43. This presupposes that Saddam knows where OBL is...
It's no secret that OBL *hates* the secular Saddamn, so it's a fair guess that the ousted dictator hasn't the foggiest notion of OBL's whereabouts.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 07:41 PM
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42. It's a sideshow, designed to "wow" and divert...and it changes *nothing*
Sad to say that Saddam, human-rights nightmare that he has been, is rather irrelevant now. His capture changes nothing about our situation in Iraq, nor will it appreciably soften the feelings of the Iraqi people and the Middle East at large toward the American presence there.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 07:55 PM
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44. Amazing how the world's most dangerous man was in a lousy hole
Like he ever posed a threat to us.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:10 PM
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47. The Attacks on Our Troops Will Continue; I'm not Hopeful
Saddam was a man on the lam with only a few allies left in Iraq. I would feelbetter if they got the WMDs, but we know they never existed.

Since he had nothing to do with 9-11, I still worry about the security at home. I would feel safer if they committed some of the money to securing our country rather than giving it to Halliburton to 'rebuild' Iraq. Oh, by the way, where's Osama?
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:13 PM
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48. We don't have TV right now.
And I've never been happier about it. Too bad NPR was falling over itself with the news, too. Had to turn it off. Don't people realize that it doesn't change anything? Bush. Lied. To. Get. Us. To. Go. To. War.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:49 PM
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49. I answered this in a thread that will probably...
...be archived with zero replies in about 10 minutes over at GD

link
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:01 PM
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50. A mix between gloating and turning off the tv
I'm just pissed right now, yet saddened
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:24 PM
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51. If I beleived the "bringing democracy" crap
I could be MUCH happier - Hussein is gone, something that some of us have been calling/agitating for, for a long time (way back when Rummy was all pally with him and shaking his hand for a photo op)

but as I don't beleive for a second that the US will allow free elections (as they would without a shadow of a doubt elect a party that will nationalise the oil industry and repeal a number of the dodgy "contracts for rebuilding") I don't see a lot to celebrate from the Iraqi point of view - does it really matter which dictator is oppressing you, and as the US has a vested interest in NOT having a trial (way to many skeletons waiting to come out there) and justifying the lies they told to go to war in the first place I fully expect to see a "confession" from Hussein detailing that he HAD WMD's, was actually sleeping with Osama and planned to attack the US at the first possible opportunity...then off to live comfortably in exile for a while - Saudi could do after all they were happy to put up Idi Amin - what's one more local dictator to feed.

The ONLY reason Saddam has been left alive is to bail out chimpy
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:45 PM
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52. Repulsed.
I'm tired of the Bush sideshows, and I don't like what America has become. This is a very temporary coup for Bush, but once they keep showing the weary and pathetic-looking Saddam complicently being taken into custody, I think it's going to backfire. They should have cleaned him up, gave him some PCP, waited until it kicked in good and hard, and then arrested him. But hell, I'm not going to tell Rove how to do his job.

I'm happy for the Iraqi people, if that means a damn thing, and it doesn't. We've bombed their country into the stone age in order to find non-existent WMD's and to pad an idiot's presidential resume, but they should thank us, because we saved their asses by pulling their former dictator, a pathetic shell of a man, out of a hole. At least our soldiers now have something tangible to grasp when they wonder, 'What the hell am I doing here?'

So what if it's a fantasy, and Saddam was a third-rate dictator among a slew of dictators who would not have the fraction of power they gained had it not been with the help of our tax dollars?

So what if our tax dollars are right now being spent in an attempt to overthrow yet another democratically elected leader--Chavez, no doubt to replace him with a Saddam-like monster who will disappear his people, but what the hell? He'll sell us cheap oil. And then, when another Bush needs a poll boost, he can capture, then parade his former friend in front of the cameras and have the American people indignantly screaming for blood and revenge against a dictator that was never a threat to them, while the people who actually suffered under this monster have no recourse whatsoever.

Time for another beer to take the bad taste out of my mouth.
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