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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 08:51 PM
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US Rep. Ralph Hall (D) switches parties-



WASHINGTON - Texas Rep. Ralph Hall switched parties Friday night, filing for re-election as a Republican after nearly a quarter-century as one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress.
"I've always said that if being a Democrat hurt my district I would switch or I would resign," Hall said in an interview with The Associated Press. He said GOP leaders had recently refused to place money for his district in a spending bill and "the only reason I was given was I was a Democrat."

In an interview in which he said he had filed to run as a Republican, he also said he didn't agree with "all these guys running against the president."

Hall's switch marked the first fallout from a GOP-led drive -- bitterly contested by Democrats -- to remake Texas' congressional districts more to their liking. Party strategists contend they can gain five or more seats through a mid-decade redistricting, a change that could greatly strengthen their grip on power in the House.

Before Hall's move, the House had 228 Republicans, 205 Democrats, 1 Democrat-leaning independent and 1 vacancy.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=703&e=4&u=/ap/20040103/ap_o n_go_ca_st_pe/party_switch
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 08:52 PM
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1. don't let the door hit ya on the way out..
numbnuts.
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dae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:07 PM
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9. More like NO nuts! IMHO.
:)
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 08:53 PM
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2. Echhh
More DINOs coming out of the woodwork. :mad:
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BobbyJay Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 08:55 PM
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3. We need to take the House back
How many seats are up for grabs in '04?

The Democrats need to have the power to "ivestigate", the way they did with Clinton.
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jfxgillis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 08:59 PM
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5. Don't worry about it
Hall hasn't voted for the Caucus nominee for Speaker for years anyway.

The only practical effect of this is that the GOP has to slot Hall in on one of their GOP Committee assignments instead of stealing it from Pelosi.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:04 PM
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7. Yeah
Now we will get to fill his seat on Energy and Commerce with a real democrat. Also, we can get a new ranking democrat on the Science Committee, probably Bart Gordon of Tennessee based on seniority.

The republicans have a vacant seat on Energy and Commerce because of the vacancy from Ernie Fletcher. John Sullivan of Oklahoma was probably going to get it but I assume Hall will get it now. It is good to actually have democrats in our committee slots. I think that Hall should have lost his ranking member position at least when he didn't vote for Pelosi but I guess they didn't want to offend the Blue Dogs.
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jfxgillis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:14 PM
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11. He didn't even fucking vote for Gephardt
And in a funny way, this chips away one of Delay's new GOP House seats.

Net positive all around for the Dems.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 10:05 PM
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16. Fuck John Sullivan of Oklahoma
Fuck him Fuck him Fuck him!!!
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ChemEng Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:11 PM
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20. Unfortunately, with gerrymandering rampant, not many....
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:30 PM
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24. Well there's another thread
that had a list of house retirements. It seems to me that there were about twice as many Republicans retiring as Democrats, so that might cancel out at least some of the disadvantage Democrats have because of gerrymandering.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 08:58 PM
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4. He said he would switch or resign. Then resign, you weasel
For the benefit of his district, my a**. He's looking out for numero uno.

Goodbye, good riddance, no love lost on a defecting DINO.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:01 PM
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6. This is going to be a big part of 2004 GOP campaign...
They will be highlighting all those Democrats who have switched or who will stay Dem but vote for Bush, like Miller and Ed Koch. They will get as much air timre as Rove wants. Expect more, especially if Dems are deemed the Angry Democrats thanks to youknowwho.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:06 PM
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8. Hall endorsed Bush in 2000
And I don't remember him being used in the Bush campaign. I think that Zell Miller might be used though. I don't know about using Ed Koch though. Nobody really likes him. I think he went senile about a decade ago.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:14 PM
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12. Post 9-11 and terrorism. They'll use Koch.
Guaranteed. Most of the country associates him with NYC.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:08 PM
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10. now wasn't that a brave thing to do
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:24 PM
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13. The next Energy and Commerce Committee chairman?
Billy Tauzin used to be a Democrat before 1995 and then he became chairman of that committee only 6 years later. Hall is going to have the most seniority of any republican if he stays on the committee and I assume he will. Tauzin is expected to resign from the House soon or maybe retire at the end of the year. I know it is unlikely but maybe Hall will replace him instead of Joe Barton of Texas. Hall does have 4 more years of seniority than Barton.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 10:02 PM
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14. sift them all out now
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 10:03 PM
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15. Yo Ralphie you forgot to take Zell with you.
I guess the repugs pay better than the dems.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:06 PM
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18. And Lieberman, they can have both of them!
Because we don't want 'em!!!
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:05 PM
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17. I'm so sad sniff sniff
Take a hike!
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:11 PM
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19. good
Hall was completely worthless to us anyway. He said he would vote for Hastert if that was neccesary to keep a GOP majority, so he had no value at all. Weed out the trash.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:14 PM
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22. I concur.
That's basically what I said on the other thread before it got locked.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:17 PM
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23. The story isn't Hall, the story is the GOP's tactics:
He said GOP leaders had recently refused to place money for his district in a spending bill and "the only reason I was given was I was a Democrat."

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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:33 PM
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25. That's probably the reason
for not getting any money for his district, but that's no reason to switch parties. Maybe if he's a conservative who has found that his values are in now more in tune with the GOP's, then he might have a good reason to switch, but just because the GOP screwed his district over doesn't mean he should become a GOPer.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:44 PM
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26. It doesn't justify his action, but the GOP's blackmail accounts for
his action.

Hall was evidently a weak-willed DINO, but the lesson of the story isn't that Hall's a turncoat. It's as with redistricting: the Republicans are playing for keeps.

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aQuArius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:57 PM
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27. Someone remind me why he said he wa a Democrat in the 1st palce...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 01:33 PM
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29. The Democratic Party used to be more conservative
Especially in the South.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 01:36 PM
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30. This is Sam Rayburn's old district
The district voted 90% for FDR. This used to be democratic territory and he probably wouldn't have won if he was a republican, even as late as 1980. But, things have changed more recently. The district gave Bush 70%.
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aQuArius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:56 PM
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31. I know, but why'd he wait all this time
to "decide" he's republican. To me, it just sounds assinine.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 01:12 PM
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28. Republican blackmail + DINO = Nothing
He said GOP leaders had recently refused to place money for his district in a spending bill and "the only reason I was given was I was a Democrat."

So let's get this straight. He's switching parties because the Republicans are petty bastards. He has been bought by the Republicans and it doesn't mean a damned thing about the democratic party.

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