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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 01:10 PM
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BCCI/Plame: JK's list of outstanding questions with names/corporations
This can help all those looking further into the entire connection. The global aspect of this is astounding and is undoubtedly the key to unlock every damn crime of the BFEE and their international cabal of fascists, financiers and terrorists.

The press in this country has done an amazingly poor job of educating the citizens.

Here is Kerry's list - FROM 1992 - of things which warrant further investigation:

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al- Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British
investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including
the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich
remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political
figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 01:16 PM
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1. One note of interest: Lewis Libbey was Marc Rich's lawyer at one point
Edited on Sun Jul-03-05 01:25 PM by blm
and also pushed for his pardon.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 01:22 PM
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2. It's amazing how many things come back to BCCI
and how often the name Charles Keating gets mentioned.

This is why I was enthusiastically in favor of John Kerry as president. He was willing to take this on when no one else would touch it. When the criminal elements in the GOP shut him down, he did an end run around Congress and gave all his information to state and international prosecutors.

BCCI will undoubtedly go down as the biggest scandal of the past century if we're ever able to sweep the DLC and GOP aside and get honest government back again.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 01:26 PM
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3. If only he had an internet back then. 9-11 wouldn't have happened and
the Bush family would have been jailed and ostracized for life as the traitors they are.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 01:36 PM
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4. And don't forget that John McCain got caught trying to
"fix" some issues for Charles Keating in the savings and loan scandal. Perhaps that is why McCain is complicit in the Bush family crime matters.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 02:02 PM
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5. We always knew it had to be something serious considering how
much McCain really hates Bush. This couls very well be the key to that and why McCain keeps defending Bush's policies while someone like Hagel who is so similar to McCain rails against it.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 10:49 AM
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28. Nah... he's too busy on his new cable scam.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 12:55 AM
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56. Oh wow
I didn't know that about McCain! He is a sleaze ball!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 12:54 AM
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55. I agree
Edited on Tue Jul-05-05 12:54 AM by FreedomAngel82
God bless Kerry. He's a true hero. :loveya: I wish he could get on this Plame case. I'm sure he could kick some Rove ass. That BCCI story is amazing and I know I'll always remember it and tell it to any future kids. This story should've been out there more since BCCI was a terrorist bank (BinLaden link).
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 11:02 AM
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60. Yep. Kerry understood exactly how terrorism gets funded and yet the media
kept acting as if no Democrat understood terror and noone could beat Bush on the terror issue.

Irinically, it was Bush who was making money off the same terror banks the terrorists used, while Kerry was working to shut the terror banks down.

The media is made up of a bunch of knownothings who wouldn't know anything about even one of the 20 questions Kerry posed.

And that is the problem with this country. Even when Khan's name came up in current stories about Iran and nukes, did the media once link him to BCCI and Kerry's findings?
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murielkane Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 02:39 PM
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6. Casey and BCCI
This is definitely on the level of allegations and not proven facts. Nonetheless, it includes many points of interest -- far more than I'm able to quote here.
an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus & Mark Aarons 1994

A number of past and present intelligence officers say that it was Casey who opened a new private channel to the British in 1976. It did not take a political genius to realize that the Democrats would take over the White House, the CIA, and the Securities Exchange Commission in 1977. Time was running out to hide a dirty chain of money laundering that stretched back to Dulles. Casey had worked with British intelligence before, and together they had no problem in devising a new and more reliable banking system that would permanently avoid congressional scrutiny. Casey, not Bush, forged the British banking-intelligence connection. George Bush just did as he was told. His only contribution was to chip in CIA funds to set up the new listening post in the Gulf states. The British took care of the rest.


As the old <Nugen-Hand> bank in Australia collapsed, the new one in Abu Dhabi was coming into being with the help of the British secret service, which used the same front men in another British colony, the Cayman Islands. In this "tax haven," Nugan-Hand's legal firm of Bruce Campbell & Company set up the International Credit & Investment Company (ICIC) as a front for the BCCI.

According to our sources in the intelligence community, what no one knows is that this little British island played an integral role in international money laundering for several of the Arab intelligence services. The British used their M16 base on the Cayman Islands as headquarters for an "International Consortium for Intelligence Collection (ICIC)," a joint venture of several spy agencies that would secretly own the stock of an international bank. Later on several witnesses tried to tell Congress about the "consortium" entity for "Intelligence Cooperation," or IC, that had been established in the Cayman Islands. What no one realized was that the ICIC spy consortium was the same ICIC that secretly controlled all the stock of the BCCI.


It took the Mossad a long time to figure out that the BCCI was an intelligence consortium among the British, the Americans, and the Arabs. it took them even longer to find out who was behind the setup back in 1976. Finding out the truth did not do them any good. Many years later, in 1992, when Israeli intelligence planted items similar to the following in the American Jewish press, no one would listen: "The CIA had a covert relationship with BCCI in 1976. At the very same time, George Bush was director of the CIA. We are told the late William Casey ... met secretly and regularly with the BCCI bank's founder, Aga Hassan Abedi. Unfortunately there are so many coincidences."

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 03:41 PM
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7. BFEE spells "Treason"
The Bush Family Evil Empire sounds crazier than anything Ian Fleming ever conjured up for SMERSH, Blofeld, or SPECTRE.

A little background:

Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

Know your BFEE: Poppys CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

Know your BFEE: Hitlers Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

Know your BFEE: James R Bath Bush bin Laden Link

Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

This ones not labeled Know Your BFEE, but its meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 03:52 PM
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8. What's the difference between Osama and George W Bush?
Osamas at least declared himself an enemy of the United States.

The Coward of Crawford is too chicken to admit hes a traitor.

The Bush-Saudi Connection




Salem bin Laden, Osamas brother, has conducted all his American affairs through James Bath, a Houston crony of the Bush family. Baths former business partner Bill White testified in court that Bath had been a liaison for the C.I.A. In 1979 Bath invested $50,000 in Arbusto, George W. Bushs first business venture. Rumor had it that Bath was acting as Salem bin Ladens representative. "In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests." (4)

In addition to doing aviation business with Saudi sheiks, Bath was part owner of a Houston bank whose chief stockholder was Ghaith Pharaon, who represented the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI), a criminal global bank with branches in 73 countries. BCCI proceeded to defraud depositors of $10 billion during the 80s, while providing a money laundry conduit for the Medellin drug cartel, Asias major heroin cartel, Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, the C.I.A., and Islamist terrorist organizations worldwide. (5)

Big Three wheeler-dealer Khalid bin Mahfouz, one of the largest stockholders in the criminal bank, was indicted when the massive BCCI banking scandal blew apart in the early 1990s. The Saudi royal family placed him under house arrest after discovering that Mahfouz had used the royal bank to channel millions of dollars through fake charities into bin Ladens organizations, but Mahfouz was not so much punished as inconvenienced. (6) Members of the Wahhabist Saudi oligarchy are driven by the sometimes conflicting emotions of power lust and religious fervor. Their support of radical Islamists follows from their ambition to dominate the Muslim world, but their fear that radical Islamists might overthrow the Saudi regime at home motivates them to fund and encourage holy warriors in countries other than their own.

As Daniel Pipes points out, jihad (holy war) is a central tenet of Muslim belief . "According to one calculation, Muhammad himself engaged in 78 battles, of which just one (the Battle of the Ditch) was defensive. Within a century after the prophet's death in 632, Muslim armies had reached as far as India in the east and Spain in the west. " (7) Pipes traces the bloody advance of fundamentalist jihadists against their twentieth century co-religionists. "Islamists, besides adhering to the primary conception of jihad as armed warfare against infidels, have also adopted as their own Ibn Taymiya's call to target impious Muslims. This approach acquired increased salience through the 20th century as Islamist thinkers . . . promoted jihad against putatively Muslim rulers who failed to live up to or apply the laws of Islam. The revolutionaries who overthrew the Shah of Iran in 1979 and the assassins who gunned down President Anwar Sadat of Egypt two years later overtly held to this doctrine. So does Osama bin Laden."


Gee. Now we've got three: Rove. Bath. O'Neill.
How many will turn on Bush?

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 04:05 PM
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9. BFEE is a Global Enslaver.
On the surface, it just looks like the BFEE just wants to make money off of war.

In reality, they want to perpetuate war to perpetuate power.*

Cheney Helped Cover-Up Pakistani Nuclear Proliferation So US Could Sell Fighter

By: Jason Leopold
March 06, 2004
Independent Media TV


Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and top members of the administration reacted with shock when they found out that Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistans top nuclear scientist, spent the past 15 years selling outlaw nations nuclear technology and equipment. So it was sort of a surprise when Bush, upon finding out about Khans proliferation of nuclear technology, let Pakistan off with a slap on the wrist. But it was all an act. In fact, it was actually a cover-up designed to shield Cheney because he knew about the proliferation for more than a decade and did nothing to stop it.

Like the terrorist attacks on 9-11, the Bush administration had mountains of evidence on Pakistans sales of nuclear technology and equipment to nations vilified by the U.S.nations that are considered much more of a threat than Iraqbut turned a blind eye to the threat and allowed it to happen.

In 1989, the year Khan first started selling nuclear secrets on the black-market; Richard Barlow, a young intelligence analyst working for the Pentagon prepared a shocking report for Cheney, who was then working as Secretary of Defense under the first President Bush administration: Pakistan built an atomic bomb and was selling its nuclear equipment to countries the U.S. said was sponsoring terrorism.


Cheney went to great lengths to cover-up Pakistans nuclear weaponry. In a New Yorker article published on March 29, 1993, investigative reporter Seymour Hersh quoted Barlow as saying that some high-ranking members inside the CIA and the Pentagon lied to Congress about Pakistans nuclear arsenal so as not to sacrifice the sale of the F-16 fighter planes to Islamabad, which was secretly equipped to deliver nuclear weapons. Pakistans nuclear capabilities and the had become so grave by the spring of 1990 that then CIA deputy director Richard Kerr said the Pakistani nuclear threat was worse than the Cuban Missile crisis in the 1960s.


* Think "Plame" and you'll see how they WILLFULLY reduced our nation's ability to defend itself from nuclear proliferation. Dr. Khan? He's the CIA's boy...bankrolled by BCCI...which was funded by petrodollars...which helped finance Smirko's drywells in Midland...which greased the wheels for the mullahs...It's maddening.

Hersh demonstrates how Cheney did all he could to help the spread nuclear weapons.

On the Nuclear Edge

by Seymour M. Hersh
The New Yorker

In the past few weeks, news reports have revealed troubling information about the possible export of Pakistani nuclear technology to countries such as Iran and Libya, and about the role played in the transfers by Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, who is known as the father of the Pakistani bomb. There have long been questions about Dr. Khan, who has, whenever possible, avoided the public eye. In this piece from 1993, Seymour M. Hersh takes a prescient look at Pakistans nuclear proliferation, and at Dr. Khan.

On May 30, 1990, President Mikhail Gorbachev of the Soviet Union arrived in Washington for his second summit meeting with President George Bush. The Cold War was over, and the publicly announced agenda reflected that fact: the two world leaders would concentrate their talks on the future of unified Germany and on renewed negotiations to reduce long-range nuclear weapons. Most Americans were increasingly upbeat about the prospects for world peace. A Times/CBS public-opinion poll of more than eleven hundred Americans taken a week before the summit showed that fewer than one in five believed nuclear war to be likely by the year 2000far fewer than those interviewed in earlier polls.

There was a fearful irony in the poll, because in the days before Gorbachevs visit the Bush Administration became convinced that the world was on the edge of a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India, as both nations continued their tug-of-war over control of the state of Kashmir, on Indias northern border, whose status has been in dispute since the collapse of the British Empire in India, in 1947. During months of increasing tension, India had massed two hundred thousand troops, including paramilitary forces, in Kashmir, and had deployed five brigades of its most sophisticated attack unit, the Indian Army Strike Corps, fifty miles from the Pakistani border in the south. Pakistan, against which the much larger India had foughtand wonthree wars since 1947, openly deployed its main armored tank units along the Indian border and, in secret, placed its nuclear-weapons arsenal on alert. There would be no repeat of the disastrous two-week war of December, 1971, when Pakistan, outgunned and outgeneraled, was dismembered by an Indian blitzkrieg and lost what is now Bangladesh.

The American intelligence community, also operating in secret, had concluded by late May that Pakistan had put together at least six and perhaps as many as ten nuclear weapons, and a number of senior analysts were convinced that some of those warheads had been deployed on Pakistans American-made F-16 fighter planes. The analysts also suspected that Benazir Bhutto, the populist Prime Minister of Pakistan, had been cut out ofor had chosen to remove herself fromthe nuclear planning. Her absence meant that the nations avowedly pro-nuclear President, Ghulam Ishaq Khan, and the Pakistani military, headed by Army General Mirza Aslam Beg, had their hands, unfettered, on the button. There was little doubt that India, with its far more extensive nuclear arsenal, stood ready to retaliate in kind.

Since the last week of May was summit week, President Bush and his top aides were preoccupied with Gorbachev and crucial questions about his status inside the Soviet Union. A full understanding of what could happen in South Asia during those days was thus most vivid to the men and women running American intelligence, who knew that Pakistan had long been Americas ally in the clandestine war against the Soviet Union. As early as 1950, the Pakistani government had effectively ceded remote areas of its northern provinces to the Central Intelligence Agency and to the National Security Agencythe larger and still more secretive group that, from its headquarters, at Fort Meade, in Maryland, is responsible for communications intelligence. It was from northern Pakistan that the N.S.A. eavesdropped on the Soviet nuclear facilities in Kazakhstan; it was Pakistan that provided secret bases for Americas U-2 spy flights; and it was Pakistan that served as a key jumping-off point for intelligence gathering and anti-Soviet activities by the C.I.A.

Pakistan was rewarded for its support with large amounts of American military and economic aid. The American intelligence community, to protect its investment and its continuing operations, spent many millions of dollars to recruit agents and to install technical equipment to learn as much as possible about the inner workings of its ally. Those agents and that equipment enabled America to ascertain, in the early spring of 1990, that Pakistan had gone nuclear, and that its leadership was fully prepared to use the weapons, if necessary, in a war against India.


What are you sneering at?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 04:09 PM
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10. All I want to know is the names associated with #20.
Edited on Sun Jul-03-05 04:10 PM by Just Me
Why the f*ck is BCCI still in operation? :grr: DAMN!!! That establishment has laundered every human bile (weapons, drugs, slaves) possible on the face of the earth!!!!! :grr:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 04:19 PM
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11. BCCI closed down, no thanks to Poppy Bush.
His "Justice Department" did all it could to derail the investigations. Oddly, the Clinton DoJ also did all it could to keep the thing covered up.

The folks that got it shut down are the Manhattan state attorney Robert Morgenthau and Sen. John Kerry. Why JK didn't make more of it during the campaign is a mystery to me. I advised everyone I knew in his campaign to bring it up to show the world how hard he was on the world's premier terrorist organization, one with ties to -- among others -- the KGB, Abu Nidhal, the Carter White House, the Reagan-Bush White Houses, Ollie North and the CIA.

Today the BFEE has other banks, like Riggs, for instance, that handle the money laundering. Meanwhile, the little people keep getting littler.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 04:38 PM
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12. Oh, *blush*, I thought I recently read of yet another suit against it.
Edited on Sun Jul-03-05 04:39 PM by Just Me
I thought the damn thing was still operating on its last leg. Thanks for bringing that fact to my attention. Riggs has basically replaced BCCI, huh. *embarassed* Maybe, we should drop BCCI except to summarize the transference of ties to other institutions. Otherwise, we may be spreading confusion. Just a thought.

It is odd that JK abstained from making it a HUGE issue. Perhaps, he decided that the information was simply too alien to the general public.

I still want to know U.S. and European institutions perpetuating the same (as referenced in the inquiry). Hell, I want to know ALL multi-national financial institutions engaged in money-laundering. Other than Riggs, do we have information about others?

On edit: I'll check back when I can, matters doncha' know! :bounce:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 05:08 PM
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14. You're right. BCCI-Bank Of England case has been going on since Jan2004
It gets daily coverage in the British press.

That is likely why you thought it was still around.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 11:47 PM
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64. Actually it was Shrum who decided it was too complex an issue
for your average sheeple.

Shmuck. People were genuinely impressed especially when I told them he was the one who started the Iran/Contra investigation.

Soft on crime and terror my ass.

Not to mention his work as a prosecutor, whom I'm told never lost a case.

John Kerry, the best candidate who's qualifications were never told. I still say, good candidate -- lousy PR department.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 09:11 AM
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21. I've been thinking about it differently lately, thanks to the newer info
on Plame from H2O. Maybe BECAUSE it connected to Plame more couldn't be said. One sure way to make sure something collapses or evidence gets shredded is to let these thugs know you're even thinking about it.

BushInc knew agents were working with Kerry and shortly after Nov 3, sent Goss the order to purge all agents suspected of supporting Kerry.

There is a whole underbelly to what's happening in DC that the people and most of the media have no clue about and that does make the story more difficult to convey.
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 12:23 PM
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38. Octafish, when are you going to write a book?
You are just a wealth of knowledge and information. Thank you for sharing it with us and for all you do. You, my friend, are a true patriot!

P.S. BLM, H2O Man, et. al. are invaluable, too!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 01:46 PM
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43. I am merely a prodder.
Edited on Mon Jul-04-05 01:48 PM by blm
I understand the story but have difficulty articulating it...I am no writer....and am a really lousy at keeping it all organized as I have NO discernible computer skills. ;))))

That's why I prod folks like Octafish on BCCI and Cell Whitman on RevMoon. They are depenable in areas I am definitely not.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 07:37 PM
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53. You want to know why? Ask Bob Shrum.
I swear I have never heard anything in my life so stupid as the reason Shrum explained why he advised Kerry not to introduce his role in BCCI in the campaign.

OMG, can you believe it, but Shrum thought people would confuse BCCI with BBC. I swear, it's the truth, it was on a Newsweek article on MSNBC.

I literally ran around my house screaming "Idiot, idiot, idiot!!" as I tried to tear my hair out.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 07:16 PM
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63. I could kick Shrum's ass from here to eternity for that remark.
I think they were hampered by what they could NOT say without sinking the Plame investigation, and Shrum couldn't come up with a way to explain the rest in an easy way that the surrogates could convey.

The one bright bulb I saw was Jon Winer, and I think that was because he actually worked in Kerry's office during the investigation.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 05:06 PM
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13. It's not. But, everything going on today is contained in the bowels of the
BCCI story.

Many of the same names, characters, tactics and methods of operation pop up in everything Bush has been doing
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 10:42 AM
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26. Bank of New York
For starters:

Bank of New York probe exposes ties between Western financiers and Russian Mafia

By James Brookfield
27 August 1999

When the history of the first ten years of capitalist restoration in Russia is written, it will have to include two fundamental points. First, that never before was so much money stolen by so few people in so short a span of time. Second, that the thieves included not only elements of the old Stalinist nomenklatura and a new generation of Russian gangster-businessmen, but also a good number of Western bankers and government officials.

An important chapter in this history is now unfolding in the United States. Federal officials, working with their counterparts in Britain and Switzerland, are engaged in an investigation of what may be the largest money-laundering scheme in US history. They allege that billions of dollars from Russia, some of it from Mafia elements, were channeled through accounts at the Bank of New York. Two BNY vice-presidents have already been suspended as a result of the probe.

Investigators are also looking into the possibility that Russian Mafia elements took $200 million from IMF loans that were made to the Russian government.

A series of articles by New York Times writer Timothy L. O'Brien has brought the salient facts to light. Sometime during the summer of 1998 British officials investigating Russian mob activities alerted US authorities to a link between YBM Magnex, a front company for suspected Russian gangster Semyon Yukovich Mogilevich, and Benex, a firm owned by Peter Berlin, the husband of one of the now-suspended BNY vice-presidents. From October 1998 to March 1999, $4.2 billion in suspect money passed through the BNY accounts of Benex and other firms. Investigators allowed the account to remain open after March as they continued their probe, and the total amount laundered may prove to be as much as $10 billion.

The traces of criminal wrongdoing extend beyond suspected organized crime figures like Mogilevich and point to high-level officials in the US and Russia. Investigators are looking into whether funds from the now insolvent Russian bank, Menatep, were also involved in money laundering at BNY. Menatep is owned by Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky and recently employed, as a senior executive, Konstantin Kagalovsky.


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 10:47 AM
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27. Riggs Bank
Jonathan J. Bush and Joe Allbritton were big wigs in this one.


The Bush-Riggs Connection

The decision last week by federal regulators to fine Riggs Bank $25 million for a "willful, systemic" violation of anti-money-laundering laws is raising new questions about whether the Bush administration's ties to powerful moneyed interests is unduly influencing U.S. foreign and national security policy. Riggs Bank is headed by longtime Bush family friend Joe Allbritton, employs President Bush's uncle Jonathan as a top executive, and other executives have been financial donors to the Bush campaign. The bank is at the center of a controversy, according to the Wall Street Journal, for failing to monitor "tens of millions of dollars in cash withdrawals from accounts related to the Saudi Arabian and Equatorial Guinean embassy," including "suspicious incidents involving dozens of sequentially numbered cashier's checks and international drafts written by Saudi officials, including Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan." Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) "said members of the bank's board of directors should be held to account for failing to exercise their watchdog role over Riggs's operations" and said refusal to follow money laundering laws "allows terrorists to funnel their blood money through the system."

CONNECTION JONATHAN BUSH AND RIGGS: Jonathan Bush, President Bush's uncle, was appointed CEO of Riggs Bank's investment arm in May of 2000, just months after his nephew secured the nomination for the presidency. At the time of the appointment, Jonathan Bush had already become a major financial backer of his nephew, rising to "Bush Pioneer" status by raising more than $100,000 for his nephew in 2000. The move solidified the relationship between Jonathan Bush and Riggs, which was originally initiated in 1997 when, according to American Banker newsletter, Riggs paid Bush $5.5 million for his smaller investment firm. That transaction, according to the NYT, "deepened links to the Bushes." While Riggs denies any connection between Bush and the accounts being investigated in the money laundering probe, Riggs President Timothy Lex told the Washington Times in 1997 that "there's a blurring of distinctions between banks, mutual-fund families, broker dealers and everything else across the board."

CONNECTION - ALLBRITTON-BUSH LINK: Allbritton, who said during the federal probe that he was stepping down from Riggs's board, also was close to the Bush family. As the NYT reported, he (along with Riggs client Saudi Prince Bandar) was a financial backer of the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum, with National Journal noting he contributed between $100,000 - $250,000 to the project. And there also appears to be a personal bond with the current President Bush: As the 2/15/01 WP noted, "When President Bush climbed out of his limousine on Inauguration Day at the corner of 15th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, he spotted Allbritton, waved and said, 'Hey Joe, how are you doing?'" That might have something to do with the fact that, according to the 11/7/2000 Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Allbritton-owned TV station KATV in Little Rock broke 39 years of precedent and publicly endorsed Bush in the 2000 presidential election. The station, which is the biggest in the state, proceeded to air its endorsement 10 times throughout Arkansas, and refused to give equal time to Democrats "who asked for the time to present an alternative to the station's endorsement."

ACTION LOOSENING BANKING REGS THAT COULD AFFECT RIGGS: According to Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon's "Age of Sacred Terror," upon taking office the Bush administration tried to halt efforts to tighten international banking laws some of which may have affected Riggs. As he notes, the new Bush Treasury Department "disapproved of the Clinton administration's approach to money laundering issues, which had been an important part of the drive to cut off the money flow to bin Laden." Specifically, the Bush administration opposed Clinton administration-backed efforts by the G-7 and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that targeted countries with "loose banking regulations" being abused by terrorist financiers. Meanwhile, the Bush administration provided "no funding for the new National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center."

ACTION - HIDING INFORMATION THAT COULD BE DAMAGING TO RIGGS: Newsweek reported that checks to "two Saudi students in the United States who provided assistance to two of the September 11 hijackers" may have come "from an account at Washington's Riggs Bank in the name of Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, the wife of Saudi Ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan." This, and other details, were reportedly part of the bipartisan House-Senate Intelligence Committee investigation into the Saudi money flow after 9/11. Yet, instead of allowing the committee's final report to be published in full, "Bush administration officials, led by Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller, have adamantly refused to declassify the evidence" surrounding the transactions.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 10:56 AM
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29. Oh so we are actually funding the terrorists we are fighting!
Another Ollie North deal only worse.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 10:57 AM
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30. Imagine how the FBI treats its people who point that out.
From Irvine Reed, one conservative who puts the Constitution of the United States ahead of the interests of the BFEE.

Another FBI Whistleblower

By Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid | June 14, 2002

FBI director Robert Mueller now admits that the bureau had enough information to be able to stop the 9/11 terrorist attacks. FBI agent Robert Wright has gone further, holding a Washington news conference where he tearfully apologized for the bureau's inaction. One of Wright's investigations led to the seizure in June 1998 of $1.4 million in terrorist funds. The money was linked to a Saudi businessman tied to Osama bin Laden.

After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the Bush Administration designated the businessman, Yassim Kadi, as a financial supporter of bin Laden. But that was after the fact October 12th. Wright's attorney, Larry Klayman, said that "these monies were moving through some powerful U.S. banks" and affected "some very powerful interests in the U.S." He said the resistance to taking the investigation forward stemmed from conflicts of interest because top officials "are tight" with Saudi Arabia, where the businessman is based. Klayman insisted that if Wright's investigation had been pursued, "the money to fund terrorist operations, such as 9/11, would have been cut-off."

Speaking of these high-level connections, Klayman noted that President Bush's father stayed with the bin Laden family during trips to Saudi Arabia. Yassim Kadi admits that he met bin Laden and that he was in a diamond business with the bin Laden family. But he says he gave money to support refugees. Political and financial connections to Saudi interests could have played a role in the FBI's failure to support agent Wright's probe. Klayman said FBI officials had to be nervous "when the rich and powerful in Washington, D.C. are doing business with some of these entities" that could be coming under investigation. But there could be another equally serious explanation.

FBI agent and whistleblower Coleen Rowley has said that FBI resistance to getting at the facts about the 9/11 plot was so intense that her colleagues speculated about terrorist moles in the bureau. That statement is relevant to Wright's case because he is accused of having insinuated that one Muslim FBI agent was a plant of Hamas, a Middle Eastern terrorist group. He denies saying that, but he does contend that the agent refused to wear a recording device to gather evidence about terrorism from other Muslims.

The FBI has not approved Wright's book about the bureau's mishandling of the terrorist threat and has assigned him to a meaningless job shuffling paper. Klayman said that when his group Judicial Watch went to the Justice Department after 9/11 offering Wright's expertise, he was told by Michael Chertoff of the Criminal Division that they were not interested in conspiracy theories.


And there's audio:. . . if Wright's investigation had been pursued, "the money to fund terrorist operations, such as 9/11, would have been cut-off."

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 11:05 AM
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35. God we now know to much? Better bar the doors and
git out the guns? LOL
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 06:07 PM
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62. You can never know too much about this story. If this story ever broke
into the public consciousness the world would be a better place with an informed citizenry alert to the fascist agenda.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 11:00 AM
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32. Citibank
Here's a big fish:

Citibank Criticized for Slow Response

to Money Laundering Scheme

By Tim Golden
New York Times
February 27, 2001

At the climax of one of the biggest undercover money-laundering investigations in United States history, federal agents seized $1.8 million in 1998 from Citibank accounts in New York that were held by a mysterious Cayman Islands bank that had no corporate offices anywhere in the world.

But despite indications that the money had come from drug dealers in Mexico, Citibank continued to do business with the Caymans bank for almost two years, moving another $300 million through the accounts before they were finally closed by Citibank.

Officials of Citibank and its parent company, Citigroup Inc., said they had not realized that anything might be amiss with the Caymans bank, which was tied to a financial group in Argentina led by the former treasury secretary there. And they emphasized that they have since developed a system for processing official seizures to avoid such mistakes.

Yet interviews with government investigators and a new study of the case by the Democratic staff of a Senate subcommittee raise questions about Citibank's slow response to the indications that something was wrong with the operations of the Caymans bank, M. A. Bank Ltd.

"They weren't just asleep at the switch they were in a deep sleep on this one," Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who oversaw the Senate inquiry, said of Citibank. "Even after the seizure warrant, they continued to accept deposits from M. A. Bank without due diligence."


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 11:25 AM
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36. Societe Generale
Appears a few of our French cousins are united through the ties of money with the BFEE:

French bankers held in laundering probe

The money was allegedly deposited in Israel

French bank Societe Generale has said there is no indication that any of its staff have laundered money.

The French bank's president was detained on Monday by police in connection with a money laundering network stretching between France and Israel.

Daniel Bouton and two senior colleagues - Didier Alix and Philippe Citerne - appeared before a judge on Monday.

"There is no indication in the documentation pertaining to the investigation that an employee or a department of the bank have knowingly committed a money-laundering transaction," the bank said in a statement on Tuesday.

The executives can be held for questioning for up to 48 hours.

The bank is suspected of clearing several thousand cheques drawn on bank accounts in France and deposited in Israel in what investigators believe was a large money-laundering network.


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 10:17 PM
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15. The most dangerous man in the world
Besides Dick Cheney and Poppy Bush...

The most dangerous man in the world?

Some experts argue that it's not Osama bin Laden

By Chris Hansen and Richard Greenberg
Dateline NBC
Updated: 12:57 p.m. ET Jan. 19, 2005

He's been called by some, the most dangerous man in the world. And he's not Osama Bin Laden. You may not even know his name but, according to those who do know him, he helped spread nuclear bomb-making technology to some of America's most determined enemies. The question is, just how much damage has he done?

In the summer of 1999, a group of illegal weapons dealers were meeting at a warehouse in Florida, their conversations recorded by federal investigators. One of the men, from Pakistan, was seeking technology for nuclear weapons. Who did he say he was working for?

Dick Stoltz: Dr. Abdul Khan.

Chris Hansen: A.Q. Khan.

Dick Stoltz: A.Q. Khan.


Albright: The scariest part is a country like Iran goes from probably they couldn't do it to being able to do it-- with the assistance from Khan. Because of that assistance, they could be as little as three years away, perhaps five.

Undercover federal agent Dick Stoltz says there's evidence Khan's operatives were at work here in the U.S., like a man who asked if Stoltz could supply heavy water, an ingredient used to make plutonium for nuclear bombs.


Khan got funding from ... BCCI. That means the BFEE knew ALL about it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 02:52 PM
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65. And BushInc looked the other way when Khan was given a slaponnthewrist
from Musharaff, their other operative.

The press rolled over on this one, too.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 11:22 PM
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16. Bushs family ties to shady BCCI help explain his oil biz success."
Edited on Sun Jul-03-05 11:22 PM by Octafish
The real beneficiary of BCCI's largesse are the crooked pols, like the crazy monkey's family and friends.

Deals for Dubya

Bushs family ties to shady bank BCCI help explain his success in the oil biz

by Bob Fitrakis

Trying to make sense of George W. Bushs days in the oil business and his bizarre Harken Energy stock transactions? Well, if you dig deep enough, youll find a core group of people surrounding the notorious Bank of Credit and Commerce International (aka Bank of Crooks and Criminals International).

BCCI was, among other nefarious things, the bank of choice for al Qaeda, the CIA, Saddam Hussein and Manuel Noriega. This spooky collection of opium warlords, Arab sheiks, Pakistani financiers and organized crime perpetrated perhaps the greatest banking fraud in world history. BCCIs global criminal conspiracy was aided by connections to Washington insiders like the Bush family, former secretary of defense and CIA co-founder Clark Clifford, Senator Orrin Hatch and President Jimmy Carter.

Award-winning journalists Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin document Dubyas ties to al Qaedas favorite bank in their authoritative tome, False Profits: The Inside Story of BCCI, the Worlds Most Corrupt Financial Empire.

Truell, a Wall Street Journal reporter, and Gurwin, who broke the infamous Banco Ambrosiano scandal in the early 1980s, point out that both Bush political brothers Jeb and Dubya had close links to BCCI. Jeb socialized with Abdur Sakhia, BCCIs Miami branch manager and later the banks top U.S. official. Jebs real estate company, Bush Klein Realty, managed the Grove Island complex of luxury condominiums where Sakhia lived. BCCI financed various real estate deals at the complex.

But, as Truell and Gurwin note, George W. Bush had even closer ties to the BCCI network. In order to understand Bushs bogus Horatio Alger claims of being a struggling West Texas oilman who struck it rich and the later Harken stock shenanigans now in question, people need to look beneath the mythology and political spin.


EDIT: Oops. Too many graphs.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 11:41 PM
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17. The Octopus


by Steve Mizrach

October Surprise, Iran-Contra, Noriega, Iraqgate, and BCCI

Before he died in an ineptly performed 'suicide,' the young journalist Danny Casolaro was working on a book that he claimed tied together many of the 'gates' and 'miniscandals' surrounding the Bush presidency. The book identified the web which tied all the scandals together as the "Octopus," a mythical creature with tentacles stretching everywhere. Perhaps the birth of the Octopus lies in the 1980 Presidential election; and its growth occurred under the eight years of the Reagan presidency. Casolaro soon found that the Octopus may have consisted of a 'shadow government' apparatus that went back even further than Bush and Reagan. But what's left of his notes seem primarily to focus on events in the 80s and 90s.

It is very possible that in 1980, Bill Casey and other members of the Reagan team may have conspired with the Iranians to delay the release of the American hostages: they were afraid of an "October Surprise" which might damage Reagan's chances of defeating Carter. Sure enough, the hostages were released right as Reagan was being inaugurated, and in 1981, the first shipment of arms to Iran began. Gunther Rossbacher, an ex-Navy pilot, and two other foreign sources, insist that on October 21st and 22nd, Bush met with Iranian delegates in Paris. The "October Surprise" may have been how Bush and other Reagan team members located the Iranian 'moderates' that played a role in the Iran-Contra scandal. In 1984, the Boland amendment forbade any more military assistance to the Contras. So, in 1985, the underground "Enterprise" - Operation Yellowfruit - began selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to furnish weapons to the Contras. George Bush claims Iran-Contra has nothing to do with him, but other administration figures' records show he was at the secret meetings - Poindexter, in particular. Amiram Nir, an Israeli terrorism expert, insists he discussed Iranian arms deals with Bush, but that can't be confirmed... he died in a mysterious plane crash in Mexico in 1988.

It turns out the Iran-Contra scandal may have been part of a larger arms-for-hostages deal. The Iranians needed weapons in their war against Iraq, and the Reagan administration felt that the Iranians might have been able to convince the Shiite terrorists in Lebanon to release the American hostages held there. Reagan claimed no "quid pro quo," but then he also claimed he really didn't remember much, either. In any case, additional hostages were seized after the 'non-deal', and many may remain in captivity today, including the Lebanon CIA station head. One man who may have known a great deal about the Iran-Contra business was Manuel Noriega, whose name came up in the 1988 Dukakis-Bush debates. Noriega knew about the Contra drug pipeline, because he was a pusher, himself, while on the CIA payroll throughout the 1980s, and during his trial in Miami in 1989, some testimony emerged which suggested he knew something about the Central American end of the Iran-Contra affair and where some on the missing money may have 'disappeared' into.

On the Middle Eastern end, another man who was a delighted beneficiary of American generosity throughout the 1980s was Saddam Hussein of Iraq. The Agriculture Department and other agencies gave Saddam agricultural credits worth millions of dollars which he used to purchase American attack helicopters, chemical weapons for using on the Kurds, and the components of a nuclear weapons program. It is suspected that the CIA and Justice Department overlooked, or aided, the Banco Nazionale Lavoro (BNL) of Italy while it funneled billions in military aid to Iraq. This recently burgeoning scandal, "Iraqgate," suggests we were playing both sides against the middle during the Iran-Iraq war. We were selling arms to both the Iranians and the Iraqis, and the CIA at various points double-crossed both sides. It is no wonder that America is so distrusted in that part of the world. In any case, there were two men that knew too much, and when Bush became president, he had to clean them up, and he would wage two "cleanup wars" to do it.

One link between Bush, Saddam, and Iran-Contra was the corrupt Middle Eastern bank, the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI). BCCI, it turns out, laundered drug money, financed CIA and Mossad covert operations, and helped Bush, Saddam, and others split over $250 billion in extortion from the sale of Persian Gulf oil. (BCCI also might have had links to the corrupt drug-money-laundering-and-CIA scandals involving Australia's Nugan Hand Bank.) Attorney General Richard Thornburgh squashed an investigation into First American Bankshares, secretly controlled by BCCI, in October 1990; and William von Raab, former U.S. customs official, was fired by Treasury Secretary James Brady for delving too deeply into BCCI. This may have a lot to do with the links between Prescott Bush, First American director Stephens, Bahrain, and Iraq. Bush's family were oilmen, and if there is anything he stood for, it was Big Oil and its interests in the Middle East. (It might be pointed out, incidentally, that it was Norman Schwarzkopf's father who helped boot out Mossadegh in Iran when he threatened to nationalize holdings of British Petroleum.) The mess was in place, and President Bush had a lot of cleaning up to do.


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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 06:00 AM
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19. Here's another little octopus
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 09:22 AM
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24. Finally!
The story gets told in a form I can understand.

"How did I get here?"

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 11:00 AM
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31. OMG! Tooo funny for morning!
Thanks for the humor to help these painful facts that are giving me a headache and heartburn easier to look at without rage!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 11:46 PM
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18. Speaking of Sarkis Soghanalian...
S.O.S. Here's the latest news. It sounds like someone is trying to kill him.

Another Failed Attempt to Gag The Arms Dealer Who Supplied Saddam

Joe Trento's Column

Miami Sarkis Soghanalian was once the most powerful arms dealer in the world. Filled with charm, able to communicate in eight languages, Soghanalian had one weakness he liked to speak to reporters. A few weeks ago I went into the Perdue rehabilitation center in South Miami to reconnect with the arms dealer. Even sick with diabetes and unable to walk, Soghanalian still scares the hell out of the Bush family and their business associates.

He had come to Miami on an expired Green Card (his ex-wife is an American). The Green Card expired because the 77-year-old gun runner had been in a hospital bed in Jordan for most of the last year and could not return to the U.S. to renew the card. He had called me and said he had some important material for the FBI on stolen art from Iraq and wanted to come home for medical treatment. My colleague David Armstrong and I were assured by various authorities that there were no warrants outstanding and he would be allowed to come unmolested.

He, of course, was arrested for the Green Card violation as soon as the plane arrived. The FBI agents he was working with were transferred off the case and a new agent, named Ron LeBlanc made it clear to his colleagues Soghanalian was a bad guy and that he, Le Blanc, was going to arrange an extradition to Columbia because of an old arms deal that had gone wrong.

Soghanalian was dumped at his sons house and, with the help of family and friends, ended up as an indigent at Jackson Memorial Hospital. Agent LeBlanc had succeeded in convincing colleagues not to work with Soghanalian. He also thought he had the arms dealer thoroughly isolated from the media.

I first developed a relationship with Soghanlian in 1984 when I was with CNN. The result was a documentary called Merchants of War. I personally witnessed Soghanalian arm Saddam Hussein with the full knowledge and cooperation of the Reagan and the George H. W. Bush Administration. He was our main conduit to arming Saddam during the 1980s. He was also a longtime Defense Intelligence Agency asset. His former control officer, retired Colonel Joseph Hunt, once described the roly-poly dealer as one of our most important intelligence assets.


And THAT's how the BFEE treats its friends.
You don't have to imagine too hard to see how it treats its enemies.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 09:20 AM
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23. I had missed this one.....astounding that media refuses to connect dots
for the citizens.

I think the public is more than ready to hear it all, using the traitorous act of Rove to tie it all together for them.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 09:39 AM
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25. You see one "rogue" arms dealer, and you've seen them all.
Same goes for CIA agents, even when they're buddy-buddy with Richard PNAC Perle, say.


Why was Richard Perle meeting with Adnan Khashoggi?

The New Yorker, Issue of 2003-03-17
Posted 2003-03-10

At the peak of his deal-making activities, in the nineteen-seventies, the Saudi-born businessman Adnan Khashoggi brokered billions of dollars in arms and aircraft sales for the Saudi royal family, earning hundreds of millions in commissions and fees. Though never convicted of wrongdoing, he was repeatedly involved in disputes with federal prosecutors and with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and in recent years he has been in litigation in Thailand and Los Angeles, among other places, concerning allegations of stock manipulation and fraud. During the Reagan Administration, Khashoggi was one of the middlemen between Oliver North, in the White House, and the mullahs in Iran in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. Khashoggi subsequently claimed that he lost ten million dollars that he had put up to obtain embargoed weapons for Iran which were to be bartered (with Presidential approval) for American hostages. The scandals of those times seemed to feed off each other: a congressional investigation revealed that Khashoggi had borrowed much of the money for the weapons from the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (B.C.C.I.), whose collapse, in 1991, defrauded thousands of depositors and led to years of inquiry and litigation.

Khashoggi is still brokering. In January of this year, he arranged a private lunch, in France, to bring together Harb Saleh al-Zuhair, a Saudi industrialist whose family fortune includes extensive holdings in construction, electronics, and engineering companies throughout the Middle East, and Richard N. Perle, the chairman of the Defense Policy Board, who is one of the most outspoken and influential American advocates of war with Iraq.

The Defense Policy Board is a Defense Department advisory group composed primarily of highly respected former government officials, retired military officers, and academics. Its members, who serve without pay, include former national-security advisers, Secretaries of Defense, and heads of the C.I.A. The board meets several times a year at the Pentagon to review and assess the countrys strategic defense policies.

Perle is also a managing partner in a venture-capital company called Trireme Partners L.P., which was registered in November, 2001, in Delaware. Triremes main business, according to a two-page letter that one of its representatives sent to Khashoggi last November, is to invest in companies dealing in technology, goods, and services that are of value to homeland security and defense. The letter argued that the fear of terrorism would increase the demand for such products in Europe and in countries like Saudi Arabia and Singapore.

The letter mentioned the firms government connections prominently: Three of Triremes Management Group members currently advise the U.S. Secretary of Defense by serving on the U.S. Defense Policy Board, and one of Triremes principals, Richard Perle, is chairman of that Board. The two other policy-board members associated with Trireme are Henry Kissinger, the former Secretary of State (who is, in fact, only a member of Triremes advisory group and is not involved in its management), and Gerald Hillman, an investor and a close business associate of Perles who handles matters in Triremes New York office. The letter said that forty-five million dollars had already been raised, including twenty million dollars from Boeing; the purpose, clearly, was to attract more investors, such as Khashoggi and Zuhair.


While I didn't know him while he lived, I do miss Mark Lombardi. He made clear how these turds of the BFEE make money off war, drugs, oil and corruption. And somehow, I don't believe the irony of "Trireme Partnerships" would escape him.

george w. bush, harken energy, and jackson stevens c.1979-90, 5th version, 1999
graphite on paper
20 x 44 inches

The Recent Drawings: An Overview
(Artist Statement)

In 1994 I began a series of drawings I refer to as "narrative structures." Most were executed in graphite or pen and ink on paper. Some are quite large, measuring up to 5 x 12 feet.

I call them "narrative structures" because each consists of a network of lines and notations which are meant to convey a story, typically about a recent event of interest to me, like the collapse of a large international bank, trading company, or investment house. One of my goals is to explore the interaction of political, social and economic forces in contemporary affairs. Thus far I have exhibited drawings on BCCI, Lincoln Savings, World Finance of Miami, the Vatican Bank, Silverado Savings, Castle Bank and Trust of the Bahamas, Nugan Hand Limited of Sydney, Australia, and many more.

Working from syndicated news items and other published accounts, I begin each drawing by compiling large amounts of information about a specific bank, financial group or set of individuals. After a careful review of the literature I then condense the essential points into an assortment of notations and other brief statements of fact, out of which an image begins to emerge.

My purpose throughout is to interpret the material by juxtaposing and assembling the notations into a unified, coherent whole. In some cases I use a set of stacked, parallel lines to establish a time frame. Hierarchical relationships, the flow of money and other key details are then indicated by a system of radiating arrows, broken lines and so forth. Some of the drawings consist of two different layers of informationone denoted in black, the other, red. Black represents the essential elements of the story while the major lawsuits, criminal indictments or other legal actions taken against the parties are shown in red. Every statement of fact and connection depicted in the work is true and based on information culled entirely from the public record.

Mark Lombardi

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 01:29 PM
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40. Why does LeBlanc ring a bell?
Did he fix anoter investigation?

All this stuff is running together in my head forming a lumpy clay sauce that's difficult to see through.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 01:31 PM
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41. That's why we keep doing these BCCI threads. They really do connect
everything going on in the world today.

Nothing happens in a vacuum, no matter what BushInc and the media wants citizens to believe.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 11:02 AM
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33. They have no friends, just money drones .... all money drones.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 06:35 PM
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51. Soghanalian Nails BCCI to both Poppy and Duhbya
You're spot-on, lonestarnot. The Bushes and their ilk have associates interested only in power and money. Odd to live life so friendless, it's not exactly an open-air prison with good food and free healthcare, but they're stuck where they are. One can only hope for eternity.

Regarding Soghanalian: The guy had a rep as a modern-day "Merchant of Death." Gee. He sounds like he'd fit right in with the BFEE, whose members have armed both sides of conflicts since at least World War I.

How Soghanalian ties both Bushes to BCCI:

Bush's Courting of Saddam

An '80s business overture that fits a lifetime 'W' pattern of CIA dealings

by Wayne Barrett With Special Reporting by Nathan Deuel

Sarkis Soghanalian, the international arms dealer who bought billions in weapons for Saddam Hussein, says he was approached at a Newark airport luncheon meeting in the early '80s by a representative of then Texas oil entrepreneur George W. Bush, who was seeking to do business in Iraq.


Bush helped arrange a $25 million cash infusion for Harken in 1987 through Arkansas investment banker Jackson Stephens, who'd helped guide BCCI's acquisitions in America, to secure financing for Harken, which had acquired Bush's failed company and made him a six-figure director. Stephens arranged for two BCCI-tied investors to bail the company out: the Union Bank of Switzerland, a BCCI partner in a third bank; and Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, whose Saudi Finance Co. was partly controlled by BCCI shareholders.

When BCCI exploded in scandal in 1991, the senior Bush tried to distance himself from any knowledge of the bank or its principals, even though a top White House aide, Ed Rogers, was put on a $600,000 retainer by one of the bank's founders, Kamel Adham. Bush denied even knowing Adham, who was the head of Saudi intelligence when Bush ran the CIA. But Soghanalian told the Voice that the two "were friends a long time ago," adding that George H.W. Bush "can say whatever he wants." Soghanalian says he "escorted" Adham to a 1976 meeting with Bush at the Waldorf Astoria, where Adham had a whole floor for five days. "This is when they were organizing the BCCI bank stuff," says Soghanalian, refusing to discuss it any further.

When Bush Sr. said, "I don't know anything about this man (Adham) except I've read bad stuff about him," Time reporters Jonathan Beaty and S.C. Gwynne wrote in their book, The Outlaw Bank, that they were sure the president had told "a certifiable lie" and got White House reporters to ask the press office about it. They were "incredulous" when the press office confirmed the disavowal. Adham himself said: "It is not possible for the president to say that," insisting that Bush had indicated a day later that he did know Adham but that the newspapers refused to print it. Adham wound up pleading guilty on BCCI charges, as did Mahfouz, who paid $225 million in restitution and penalties.

Papa Bush's direct links to BCCInoted CIA historian Joe Trento, also of the National Security News Service, wrote that as CIA director, he "joined a Saudi prince to create" itapparently explain the bank's willingness to throw money at Harken shortly after it bought out Junior's busted Arbusto. The Harken bailout is the last in a series of business ties between W and his father's onetime agency, though biographers have noted that W's campaigns, like his father's, have attracted ex-CIA types. When Jimmy Carter replaced the senior Bush at the CIA in 1977, the new director, Stansfield Turner, forced hundreds of agents out, and many joined forces with Bush as a kind of out-of-power CIA clique. That group continued to function unofficially for years, even rising to the fore in the Iran-Contra days of the late '80s.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 01:04 PM
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61. Unfortunately, this could also be why Clinton was tapped by Stephens.
If a second Bush term was in the works, Bush and the entire BCCI operation could have been an even bigger issue.

Bring on Clinton, and Clinton closes the case so he can get about the business of saving the economy, and it all goes away.....for the time being.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 06:35 AM
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20. Yep all the way around....
This one sums it up....

The new players after BCCI is AIPAC and their written up plan of PNAC which spawned everything to come out, and what downing street blows the full lid off.

This entire operation equals corporate globalization!!! :wow:

Rove committed treason. He's a fucking traitor. :banghead:

'Rockingham was spinning reports and emphasizing reports that showed non-compliance (by Iraq with UN inspections) and quashing those which showed compliance. It was cherry-picking intelligence.' Ritter and other intelligence sources say Operation Rockingham and MI6 were supplying skewed information to the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) which, Tony Blair has told the Commons, was behind the intelligence dossiers that the government published to convince the parliament and the people of the necessity of war against Iraq.

Sources in both the British and US intelligence community are now equating the JIC with the Office of Special Plans (OSP) in the US Pentagon. The OSP was set up by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to gather intelligence which would prove the case for war. In a staggering attack on the OSP, former CIA officer Larry Johnson told the Sunday Herald the OSP was 'dangerous for US national security and a threat to world peace', adding that it 'lied and manipulated intelligence to further its agenda of removing Saddam'.

He added: 'It's a group of ideologues with pre-determined notions of truth and reality. They take bits of intelligence to support their agenda and ignore anything contrary. They should be eliminated.' Johnson said that to describe Saddam as an 'imminent threat' to the West was 'laughable and idiotic'. He said many CIA officers were in 'great distress' over the way intelligence had been treated. 'We've entered the world of George Orwell,' Johnson added. 'I'm disgusted. The truth has to be told. We can't allow our leaders to use bogus information to justify war.'

Many in British intelligence believe the planned parliamentary inquiry by MPs on the Intelligence and Security Committee will pass the blame for the use of selective intelligence to the JIC, which includes senior intelligence figures .

Intelligence sources say this would be unfair as they claim the JIC was following political instructions. Blair has been under sustained criticism following allegations that intelligence on the threat from Iraq was 'sexed up' to make it more appealing to the public.

Spinning doesn't even compute: They lied and fixed the facts and made a WAR ON WAR.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 09:20 AM
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22. 9-11: The BCCI Connection
Thanks for the reminder, LightningFlash! has done a great job of pegging these turds to their crimes:

Truth, lies, and the legend of 9/11

Part 6 of 10 parts: Backdropdetecting the puppet masters

By Chaim Kupferberg


The story goes that BCCI was founded by Pakistani financier Aga Hassan Abedi. In truth, it was mostly a British intelligence operation using Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates as fronts, while CIA elements allied with George H. W. Bush used the banking network to conduct a number of under-the-table operations throughout the '80s. Before it went under, BCCI served as the cardiovascular system for a global criminal milieu, its laundered arteries servicing the needs of various drug lords, arms dealers, fraudsters, dictators, corrupt politicians, terrorists, and intelligence agencies seeking loose cash for their extra-legal activities.

In short, BCCIwas Disneyworld for the New World Order of political/corporate crime. With ample supplies of heroin leaving Afghanistan and heading stateside throughout the '80s, there were ample funds left to underwrite the activities of Osama bin Laden and his mujaheddin, ensconced in a battle to oust the Soviet occupation forces from their midst. And with cocaine coming stateside by way of Colombia, a little pocket money could be set aside to furnish the Nicaraguan Contras with their own anti-Soviet toys.

Could it, then, perhaps have been nothing more than a coincidence that Khalid bin Mahfouz, was reported in the early 90s to own a 20 percent stake in BCCIand that bin Mahfouz, as reported by the Houston Chronicle on June 4, 1992, had intimate business dealings with James Bath,the personal representative of bin Laden brother Salim who had invested $50,000 in George W. Bush's company, Arbusto? Bin Mahfouz, incidentally, had taken over Salim bin Laden's interest in the Houston Gulf Airport after Salim met his demise in an airplane crash over Houston in 1988 (the same year that Iran-Contra witness, and Israeli counter-terror coordinator,Amiram Nir met his own fortuitous demise by airplane over Mexico, thus denying Congress one witness who could testify to Vice-President Bush's personal involvement in the scandal).

In the decadent 80s, Bush friend and CIA asset Manuel Noriega served as a critical conduit for the drug transit through Panama. Meanwhile, CIA asset Saddam Hussein played the essential role of wearing down the Iranian Revolution by throwing waves of Iraqi young men at waves of Iranian young men, costing over a million lives, though earning billions for a voracious world arms industry. As for John Gotti, on June 21, 1991, former CIA agent Richard Brenneke gave a sworn deposition before Congressman William Alexander, fingering Gotti as an active detergent in "laundering" the CIA drug shipments coming into the Mena Airport in Arkansas.

As history has shown, being a friend and/or CIA asset of George H. W. Bush can be an uncertain proposition. One by one, once these psychopathic proxies had served their purpose, they were "taken out." In the case of Noriega and Gotti, they were silenced through the capable tools of the American justice system. And overseeing the prosecutionsNoriega, Gotti, and BCCIhappened to be a man who would, years later, be entrusted with overseeing the investigation into the causes of 9/11Robert S. Mueller III.


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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 02:27 AM
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57. Good reminder. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 11:03 AM
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34. And are trying to make another!
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 11:59 AM
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37. BFCC BCCI? Please explain what they stand for
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 12:24 PM
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39. BCCI is Bank of Credit and Commerce International
Robert Gates, a former Director of Central Intelligence (CIA head), called it, laughingly, the "Bank of Crooks and Criminals International." Ha ha. The bank only funded terrorist, laundered narco and war monies, and was used by the likes of Manuel Noriega, Abu Nidhal, James R Bath, George W Bush, and Oliver North.

BFEE stands for Bush Family Evil Empire. From what I can tell, the term was first used by ti describe the Bush Organized Crime Family and the men and women who benefit from their plans to dominate the world. Not even Ian Fleming dared dream of a group so powerful they could hijack US elections, shred the Bill of Rights, and comandeer the Pentagon to start illegal wars.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 01:43 PM
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42. From American Dynasty
". . . A U.S. Senate subcommittee investigating BCCI in 1992 reported on how the bank bought friendship and favors from politicians around the world; details of the investigation were published in two books: False Profits: The Inside Story of BCCI, the World's Most Corrupt Financial Empire, by Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin, and The Outlaw Bank: A Wild Ride into the Secret Heart of BCCI, by Jonathan Beaty and S.C. Gwynne.

According to the latter; the story of the Bush involvement in the BCCI scandal involved "trails that branched, crossed one another or came to unexpected ends." It was like a "three dimensional chess game."

". . . Jeb Bush began his business career in Miami collaborating with Cubans tied to the CIA or to kindred intelligence agencies in pre-Castro Cuba. He socialized with Adbur Sakhia, BCCI's Miami branch manager and later its top U.S. Official. Jeb Bush's partners and early associates included a number of Cuban emigres with CIA, Nicaraguan Contra, or Batista-era Cuban intelligence connections."

(pgs 270-271)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 03:16 PM
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44. I hope Kerry still like this inside and playing his cards close to vest
This, Iran Contra, and his 1971 Vietnam testimony show moments of greatness.

His approach to the campaign last year was a mealy-mouthed mediocrity that's hard to reconcile with the steely, focused idealism of his history.

Hillbilly Hitler art:


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 03:52 PM
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45. You forget that many in intel aligned with Kerry and the only thing that
Edited on Mon Jul-04-05 03:53 PM by blm
kept the connections being made was the footdragging of the Plame case and the people involved.

You think Rand Beers and Joe Wilson aligning early on with Kerry was just a fluke?

You think Bush's November purge of any agent suspected of supporting Kerry was just coincidence?

You think Kerry's trip to England last January to meet with his counterparts and that leaking of the DSM is just happenstance?

This is the good guys of the CIA lined up against the Bush loyalists.

Either you can see what's happening or you can't.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 04:04 PM
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46. I just wanted to pop in and say
Edited on Mon Jul-04-05 04:05 PM by whometense
you are the best!!!!! Fantastic work. I can't believe how many people still don't know this stuff. Thank you, thank you for your hard work on behalf of Kerry - and by extension, on behalf of our country. And for speaking the truth - as many times as you need to in order to get it heard.

You are a true patriot.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 05:01 PM
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47. I forgot some of that. Why wasn't he more explicit in campaign?
If you and I can boil it down to a couple of digestible sentences, I don't see why he couldn't too.

Hillbilly Hitler art:


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 05:25 PM
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48. Probably the Plame situation. Talking about it could've jeopardized the
Edited on Mon Jul-04-05 05:26 PM by blm
big picture and I doubt the principles were FREE to talk.

Imagine the shredding that would have gone or the altering of evidence.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 05:29 PM
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49. plame is a microcosm of methods applied to much bigger issues
I was thinking more macro like do we want to spend our tax dollars, soldiers lives, and reputation to control the Persian Gulf for oil companies who aren't going to share the booty with us.

Hillbilly Hitler art:


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 05:49 PM
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50. Actually, that was a big part of the campaign. The media didn't discuss it
but it was the centerpiece of almost every rally, especially when Kerry connected stewardship of the environment and the fully funding alternative fuel research to our national security concerns, the funding of terrorism and wars to secure oil.

The best part of the campaign, including his healthcare plan, ended up on the floor of news metworks' editing rooms.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 07:25 PM
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52. the chance to make his case unfiltered was the debates
and it didn't come through. I do remember that his stump speeches were better, and I got almost NONE of my impression from the media, but instead from his website and reading texts of speeches.

Hillbilly Hitler art:


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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 12:37 AM
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54. The debates were great, but you gotta remember
Fucking Bob Schieffer and whoever, instead of asking the candidates pertinent questions in which Kerry might've had more opportunity to discuss real issues, instead wasted time on crap like "Do you believe homosexuality is a choice". WTF. So we hear about Gawd and gays instead of the real issues that Kerry campaigned on.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 02:38 AM
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58. debates not entirely his fault, but "bipartisan" setup crap doesn't help
If the parties get together to pick the moderators and set rules, it will at best be recitation of stump speeches.

The best debate was the Larry King one between Al Gore and Ross Perot on NAFTA. In that case, the candidates got to ask each other questions, and it seemed like a real dialogue that was harder to have canned responses for.

Hillbilly Hitler art:


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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 06:19 AM
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59. I've seen what is happening ever since ...
Edited on Tue Jul-05-05 06:30 AM by ngGale
I started researching Kerry for the campaign. Lived through Iran-Contra and already knew how convoluted that was. The BCCI, and all the above is lacking only one big player. Mentioned once at the top of this thread, Marc Rich. I've never figured out if he is a black hat or a white hat. He's truly a fascinating man, Russian mafia, Israeli mafia and CIA connection. He was in Iraq when the war began. During the 'oil for food' scandal they called him in. I was thinking, no way they will ever ask Marc Rich about much of anything. They didn't, he was released fast.
Had a Dem won after Clinton, he had laid the perfect foundation to bring down the crime family. Other than the Mena connection, what is this hanging out with Poppy?

I figure something big is going down, Kerry holds the key. He always did and he's a fighter - he won my respect a long time ago. Also, I figured with the Cambodia tie during the war, he had connections. Nuff said about that part! I'm just not sure who all the good guys are anymore. I do know they have been in a power struggle for a long time from within. People have a hard time grasping the facts because it covers many years worth of corruption. During the DSM hearing, or forum, the retired CIA guy said to read this book. "Spider's Web"
it held a good analogy of events which led us to this point. For me it's a giant jig saw puzzle, more pieces fall together every day.
The hardest part for people to cope with is that there will be some Dems going down also. Having corruption on both sides has really been another key that has kept all this alive. A little blackmail along the way, a threat here and there. Real, not imagined threats.
"The bad apple" theory applies in this situation.

Let's bet on Kerry and the good guys, on both sides of the pond.

Edit: for link.
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