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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:30 PM
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A Planet Full of Hitlers
The world's billionaires, led by the Bush "madministration," are acting like a planet of full of Hitlers. They are willing to invade whatever region in the world has what the world needs most -- oil.

Black gold. Texas tea. Petrodollars.

They figure they have all the money. And basically, apart from a Soros here and a Gates there, they do.

And thus, the worlds billionaires and their hounds of the BFEE want to spend it all before they die. And they have the plan and cash on hand to do so.

Consider the Bush agenda: All War. All the Time. Government spending for the MI-Complex, transferring trillions to the wealthy corporate owners, war and all.

These are the likes of the industrialists Mussolini, Franco and Hitler so loved.

And like the fascist trifecta, the American fascists of the BFEE have bought all the political power. Don't just think Tom Roach Motel DeLay and Mr. Friskie Frist. Remember Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman and Allen Dulles and Rheinhard Gehlen and Igor Orlov.

What can we do about it? Theyve bought all the legal power, built law schools for Federalist Society AND Opus Dei judges. Think Bill Eagle Eye Rehnquist and Antonin Fat Tony Scalia.

These turds of the BFEE have worked all the tax breaks and bankrupty laws for the rich. Uncle Sam reverse-Robin Hoods wealth to the top 1-percent of country.

And what do these rich turds who prop up Bush use their tax savings on? They certainly haven't invested it in making America a better place to work or live; they've invested in "off-shoring."

Lots of the tax money goes to buy more vacation homes, yachts and jet planes. Most goes offshore to the Caymans and Switzerland.

And of course they want more without having to pay for the damage to the environment. Farmland depletion in the USA. Rain forest depletion around the globe. Oceans getting acidic. Fish stock depletion. Global air pollution and water shortages.

Well. OK. Maybe a case can be made its the rich folks money. They can do what they want. But they should pay their fair share of taxes! After all, the rest of society helps keep them in their position. And its our brothers and sisters in the armed forces who are giving their lives to keep their oil and power and privilege.

Budget red ink means no money for middle class. No money for schools. No money for cities and suburbs and farms. No money for roads. No money for science and R and D. No money for the future.

And the media? What media? What Fairness Doctrine?

They cover up their materialism and venality with all the talk about Faith-based this and Conservative-values that. But the reality is these are sinister wolves and satanic bed-wetting bastards in sheep's clothing we are dealing with.



Wasnt that what Bush really meant when he told Bob Woodward History? Who cares about history? In a hundred years well all be dead.

Just like Hitler. And just like Hitler, Bush wants to take us all with him.

-- Octafish
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:36 PM
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1. Wow Octafish! Great Summary! Couldn't have said it better myself! You
just put my thoughts to words and summarized very well what these bastards have been doing and what's happening....Thanks for throwing in some humor (Antonin Fat Tony Scalia, Friskie Frist etc) on a very dark and depressing reality of our situation here in the world and the fascists that have taken over....

The only thing that I will add, to put a little bit of "optimism" here:

Like Hitler, they might take a lot of us down with them, but ultimately in the end, they like Hitler will be defeated.... :spank:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:22 PM
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7. You said it, Pachamama! "In the end, they like Hitler will be defeated."
And the way to do that peacefully is to spread the word about what these turds do to our nation and planet. Once enough people know, they will be stopped. It's just getting the planetary consciousness to critical mind mass...



And then, it's a whole new day.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 01:23 AM
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13. It's why we can't let them win with Fear....
...and why folks like you, me and others we know need to be spreading the truth and like you stated "the planetary consciousness" needs to be shifted to know this truth, not fall for the lies and "fear" and shift the balance against them.

Love your image there.... :hi:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:53 PM
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2. You never fail to please.
Awsome post Octafish and right on the money.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:26 PM
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8. Thanks, Cleita!


You're a Pal!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:56 PM
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3. It took great armies to shut Hitler down... People aren't there yet...
took a long bunch of REAL suffering and annialation...Do you think we Americans are going to wait until we pass through some of that type of shit to wake up?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:33 PM
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9. Good Lord, I hope not.
Yet, you make a very good point, lonestarnot: The planet wouldn't survive World War IV or V or whatever Roman numeral we're on. I hope people wake up before it gets to the point where we can't work things out to live a sustainable existence.

The way the Bushes see things, the planet can't sustain THAT much life. So they're fixin' things so wars and so forth thin out the herd, one might say.

That's why Rev. Moon has created his jungle redoubt down in Paraguay. With all his billions from drug dealing, money laundering and arms trading, we can bet there'll be plenty of golf and gas, too.

The way to beat Bush is through awareness. We need to get enough people with power -- however small or great -- in on the facts about the BFEE. That's why it's so important we give a damn.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:42 AM
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16. The PLANET will survive
The people won't. Earth doesn't care about us. Biodiversity will flourish when humanity leaves the building.

Actually, I don't even think the human race can be wiped out. Weapons will be deployed unevenly; and people will figure out places to hide. There may be only a few hundred thousand left, but we've been there before. There have been multiple near-extinctions in our past.

This nasty thing called consciousness is why slow, weak, naked, clawless, allergy-prone us are the dominant thing on the planet, and it will make us destroy ourselves and everything else we can, and then it will make us pop up again and start the whole thing over.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:00 AM
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19. ",,,on earth as is it is in heaven."
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:23 AM
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49. George Carlin once said
that the earth could brush people off the planet like a bad case of fleas and continue on.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 08:24 PM
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60. No Way! We're Not Nearly As Stupid
as the bushites think we are. We are busy raising awareness EVERY DAY and EVERY NIGHT now, thanks to the internet, AND DU. :woohoo: :applause:
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Taragui Junkie Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:00 PM
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4. What is the "fair share"?
This is the argument my Republican brother keeps using. Some nonsense about the richest top 10% of Americans supposedly pay half of the taxes in this country. I don't believe him, but I don't really know how to argue with him.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:50 PM
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12. Krugman's the way to go.
If you want to speed past your brother. There are others, as well, especially John Kenneth Galbraith and Paul Greider.

Paul Krugman: Bush's Class-War Budget

Friday, February 11 2005 @ 09:42 AM PST (View web-friendly version here)

By PAUL KRUGMAN
New York Times Op-Ed

It may sound shrill to describe President Bush as someone who takes food from the mouths of babes and gives the proceeds to his millionaire friends. Yet his latest budget proposal is top-down class warfare in action. And it offers the Democrats an opportunity, if they're willing to take it.

First, the facts: the budget proposal really does take food from the mouths of babes. One of the proposed spending cuts would make it harder for working families with children to receive food stamps, terminating aid for about 300,000 people. Another would deny child care assistance to about 300,000 children, again in low-income working families.

And the budget really does shower largesse on millionaires even as it punishes the needy. For example, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities informs us that even as the administration demands spending cuts, it will proceed with the phaseout of two little-known tax provisions - originally put in place under the first President George Bush - that limit deductions and exemptions for high-income households.

More than half of the benefits from this backdoor tax cut would go to people with incomes of more than a million dollars; 97 percent would go to people with incomes exceeding $200,000.

It so happens that the number of taxpayers with more than $1 million in annual income is about the same as the number of people who would have their food stamps cut off under the Bush proposal. But it costs a lot more to give a millionaire a break than to put food on a low-income family's table: eliminating limits on deductions and exemptions would give taxpayers with incomes over $1 million an average tax cut of more than $19,000.

CONTINUED...

http://peaceandjustice.org/article.php?story=2005021109...

And a most hearty welcome to DU, Taragui Junkie!



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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:43 AM
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17. Pay half the taxes...
Own eighty to ninety percent of the wealth, and have a government that cares about them. Fair share? Yes, I say, let them pay their fair share.
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Count Popeula Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:10 PM
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5. To Be Fair...
I wouldn't compare these people to Hitler. Hitler rebuilt his country's economy and did what he did, as depraved as it ended up being, because he felt it was for the good of the German people. The American Oil Plutocracy makes Hitler look good by comparison, because the atrocities they commit are done out of nothing but greed and desire for personal gain.
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:49 PM
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11. Yeah, Hitler wanted a Thousand Year Reich
Hitler only wanted to destroy Germany when the war wasn't winnable. Hitler wanted to build a society that would last. Hitler's society was based on evil premise which is why it failed.

Bush, on the other hand, only wants to grab as much as he can for him and his cronies. BushCo thinks that Americans are a bunch of suckers because they can steal as much as they want while lulling the people to sleep with religion.

God, I just realize that we have a President that makes Hitler look good. How far have we fallen as a nation.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:24 AM
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14. Did a double take and realized: "Yeah. You're right. It's the oil."
The Schickelgrber did what he did, at first, for the good of the German volk.

Smirkelgrber, OTOH, has done what he's done for the good of his petrobuddies from the Middle East and Texas.

Brilliant, Count Popeula. And a hearty welcome to DU!

BTW: Did you write the following?



If not, you got the picture.


The New U.S.
-British Oil Imperialism


By Norman D. Livergood

The American and British ruling circles have been engaged in a policy of military imperialism for several centuries. The American revolution was fought to bring the United States under new, non-British rulers, with the new regime sold to the public as a democracy. In the twentieth century, these American ruling elites have revolved around the Rockefeller, Brown, Harriman, and Morgan family dynasties. The Bush family, beginning with Prescott Bush, have served as satraps of the Rockefeller, Brown, and Harriman interests.

As we've seen, in earlier articles on these imperialistic rulers (Part 1, Part 2), the British and American ruling cabals decided that the energy of choice for the world would be oil and natural gas (not coal)--just as the drugs of choice would be alcohol and tobacco.

To overcome the problem of his oil holdings being broken apart by the U.S. government in 1911, John Rockefeller set out to control the world's energy reserves. World War I was the strategy of the world oil cartel (Standard, Shell, British Petroleum) to take over the colonies of France, Holland, Spain and Portugal. The engines of war now ran on petroleum-based products, so ownership of oil could determine who won or lost a war--therefore who would rule the world. Oil, instead of gold, became the token of power.

SNIP...

In 1939 and '40, the Germans and Italians did not attack Russia as the Big Three had planned. Instead, German General Rommel rushed across North Africa to grab the Suez Canal and control all oil shipping through the canal. Rommel then planned to drive through to Persia and toss out the British from the British-Persian oil fields. Meanwhile, after a failed attack on Russia in 1939, the Japanese swept through Southeast Asia and seized all the oil holdings of Royal Dutch Shell. With the defeat of Japan in 1945, most of those Royal Dutch fields came under the control of Rockefeller's Standard Oil.

Hitler had planned to capture the oil fields in Romania by 1939 so Germany would have its own supply of oil. This was accomplished. Then Rommel was to have captured the oil fields in Persia by 1941, the oil fields in Russia in 1942. Only then would Hitler have sufficient fuel for prosecuting a war with the United States. But less than a week after the Pearl Harbor attack, the Japanese convinced Hitler to declare war on the United States. Hitler agreed only if the Japanese would attack Russia, since German troops were now bogged down in Russia and Hitler would gain strategic advantage if the Russians had to defend themselves from Japan on their eastern flank. When the Japanese failed to attack Russia, Hitler was driven out of Russia and now was without a fuel source. The Romanian oil fields in Ploesti were insufficient for Germany to carry on a war on two fronts, and Germany's war effort began to collapse.

CONTINUED...

http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:35 PM
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36. if....
....the tentacles of our huge global 'petro-squid' reach into all corners of worldly wealth and power, what political force could we elicit to ever challenge it?....are we to be perpetual pawns for the oil oligarchs?....

....then will 'oil' ever allow itself to be 'obsoleted' by new technology in our liftime?....where is big-oil taking us?....
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:20 PM
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6. Human capital
That's all these animals see...murder, murder, murder.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:35 AM
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15. The explanation fits our situation.
Why would all their actions be for the benefit of the few -- at the expense of the many, the world and the future? Bush and the creeps he beards for don't care about anyone or anything but themselves and their interests: power, profit and privilege.

Bush is not a simple mass murdering madman -- he's destroying the future of our country and planet. Here's a decent analysis of his FY2006 budget:

The wealth transfer scheme

Geov Parrish - WorkingForChange.com

02.18.05 - Everyone saw this one coming. But that doesn't make it any better.

President Bush's FY 2006 budget proposal, unveiled in detail last week, is the other shoe dropping.

It's not quite fair to say that this is a budget designed to reduce the deficit. There's still plenty of expansive spending; the Pentagon's budget increases again in this cycle, and pork for favored Republican projects still abounds.

But what it does do is use the deficit, created in four short years by this administration, as an excuse for targeting all the programs Republicans don't like. The Department of Education -- which Republicans once wanted to abolish -- takes a $4.3 billion hit. Money for health care, $1.7 billion in reduced or eliminated programs. $2.5 billion in agriculture. Half a billion in federal housing expenditures. Even aid to local and state law enforcement gets a $1.5 billion reduction. Regulatory agencies from the EPA to the Forest Service will have to make do with less.

Here in the Northwest, the effects will be profound. Congressional delegations are up in arms over a proposal to charge users of the federal Bonneville Power Adaministration market rates for power, rather than the low subsidized rates utility customers currently pay -- effectively an enormous tax increase for the BPA's four-state service area. Federal money for Hanford cleanup is cut. Money for the Puget Sound's pressing transportation needs? Forget about it. And so it goes, for local governments around the country.

CONTINUED...

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=1858...
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:42 PM
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10. the 'Rich' 1/100 of 1%....
....can't do it alone and they get plenty of help and co-operation from people like you and me.....

....people go along with the 'Rich' because people are needy and greedy....there is no real economic or political alternative to our current crop of 'Rich' for people to turn to for their needs and desires....

....our vanquished Left has refused to fight hard and re-invent itself over the last 30 years into a new competitive economic/political force as the Right did after the Great Depression of the '30s....so, here we sit....
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:30 AM
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22. DUer chlamor posted an excellent illustration of the situation


Today we have a New Feudalism, led by the same crowd who tried to remove President Roosevelt, IMFO.

"The Third World is very much like the First World, just poorer: What works for the West will work for the rest, as well." -- Margaret Thatcher

You are correct, unkachuck: The Rich, or Reich, have their supporters from the ranks of the people. While many, if not most, rich people are good people, the examples set by a few petroturds have really stunk up the planet for the rest of us. What we can do about it is make peaceful change while we still can. The violent stuff, anybody can do.

Here's CRAP (Capitalism Represents Acceptable Policy -- society) a nice resource and support group from some like-minded concerned people:

http://www.beyondtv.org/nato/crap/craps.htm
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:25 PM
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23. I really like that pic...
Edited on Fri May-13-05 02:50 PM by dxstone
Weird thing is, I just posted a reply to another thread that seems apropos to repeat here:

This is the whole problem with these guys; they've quickly built up an immense gordian knot of scandal and shit, a titanic Great Pyramid of pure bullshit and while you're trying to pick the pieces apart new monkeys are showing up and hurling new feces at you daily...
And let's face it: They've been laying the groundwork for DECADES...



As Martin Sheen said in Apocalypse Now (and I paraphrase), "In Nam, the shit stacks up so fast you gotta have wings to stay above it..."
Only difference is, OUR GREAT AND BRAVE LEADERS are bringing the quagmire home this time!!! YAY! Three cheers for LIBERTY!!!
That was Nixon's mistake: NOT ENOUGH shit and scandal flying every damn day...
But the Reeps won't make that mistake again; this time they're ready. They've gone miles beyond the old technology of the Mighty Wurlitzer; they've created the world's most fearsome new weapon: Georgie and the Incredible Shit-Shooting Machine...
LETS FLY IN EVERY DIRECTION AT ONCE! STINKS UP EVERYTHING!
MAKES ITS OWN ENERGY FROM HUMAN FEAR! IT'S UNSTOPPABLE!!!
We're stuck in a man-made shitstorm unlike anything we've ever seen, the Perfect Shitstorm, one might say...
How DO ya turn this damn thing off? Jane, stop this crazy thing!!!
D

more of this crazy crap at
http://presidentevilonline.com
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:35 PM
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37. The BFEE's in BUSHness since November 22, 1963.
Edited on Fri May-13-05 11:37 PM by Octafish
That's the day George Herbert Walker Bush called the FBI a few minutes after President Kennedy was shot and killed to say someone he heard about might've had something to do with it.



Here's the poster in a larger format:


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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:47 AM
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18. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, others @ DC TRILATERAL MEETING
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, others @ media blacked out DC TRILATERAL MEETING April 15-18

This year, the Trilaterals returned to their earlier policy of trying to keep their gathering secret. It's Washington office angrily refused to say when and where they would meet.

RUMSFELD has participated with the Trilaterals and its brother group, Bilderberg, as a White House aide under President Ronald Reagan and as defense secretary under the current President Bush. Bilderberg and the Trilateral Commission have interlocking leadership and a common agenda. David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger are leaders of both groups. The Trilaterals's European chairman, Peter Sutherland, head of Goldman-Sachs International, is also a Bilderberg leader. Former House Speaker Tom FOLEY is the TC's North American chairman.

Appearances by CHENEY, RUMSFELD and other administration officials were VIEWED AS TOP SECRET. The appearances were not listed on their public schedules, not even as involving a "private group." There were no transcripts available, which is routine in normal functions. Paul WOLFOWITZ, deputy secretary of defense and president-elect of the World Bank, addressed the TC's dinner meeting April 17. David GERGEN provided an "analysis of the American electorate." He warned that "nationalism" remains a strong force in America.... Federal Reserve Chairman Alan GREENSPAN addressed the Trilaterals on the subject "resolving global currency and trade conflicts." ----- It has long been the Bilderberg-TC goal to divide the world into three great regions for the administrative convenience of the world government.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/316311.shtml

And Bilderberg has just met in Munich as well a couple of days ago. And Paul Wolfowitz has of course present as well. Along with many others

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2005/110505...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:32 PM
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28. Rockefeller Kissinger Bush Harriman et al.
They're all Bohemians.



Bohemian Grove Fact Sheet

What is the Bohemian Grove? The Bohemian Grove is a 2700 acre redwood forest, located in Monte Rio, CA. It contains accommodation for 2000 people to "camp" in luxury. It is owned by the Bohemian Club.

What is the Bohemian Club? The Bohemian Club is a private. all male club, which is headquartered in the Bohemian building in San Francisco. It was formed in 1872 by men who sought shelter from the frontier culture (or lack of culture).

Who are the present members? The Club has evolved into an association of rich and powerful men, mostly of this country (there are similar organizations in other countries). Some artists are allowed to join (often at reduced rates), because of their social status and entertainment value. The membership list has included every Republican U.S. president (as well as some Democrats) since 1923, many cabinet officials, and director; & CEO's of large corporations, including major financial institutions.

What industries are represented among the members? Major military contractors, oil companies, banks (including the Federal Reserve), utilities (including nuclear power), and national media (broadcast and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or guests. Many members are, or have been, on the board of directors of several of these corporations. You should note that most of the above industries depend heavily on a relationship with government for their profitability.

The members stay in different camps at the Grove, which have varying status levels. Members & frequent guests of the most prestigious camp (Mandalay) include: Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, S. D. Bechtel, Jr., Thomas Watson Jr. (IBM), Phillip Hawley (B of A), William Casey (CIA). and Ralph Bailey (Dupont). George Bush resides in a less prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A. W. Clausen (World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and William F. Buckley.

What activities take place at the grove? The grove is the site of a two week retreat every July (as well as other smaller get-togethers throughout the year). At these retreats, the members commune with nature in a truly original way. They drink heavily from morning through the night, bask in their freedom to urinate on the redwoods, and perform pagan rituals (including the "Cremation of Care", in which the members wearing red-hooded robes, cremate a coffin effigy of "Dull Care" at the base of a 40 foot owl altar). Some (20%) engage in homosexual activity (but few of them support gay rights or AIDS research). They watch (and participate in) plays and comedy shows in which women are portrayed by male actors. Although women are not allowed in the Grove, members often leave at night to enjoy the company of the many prostitutes who come from around the world for this event. Is any of this hard to believe? Employees of the Grove have said that no verbal description can accurately portray the bizarre behavior of the Grove's inhabitants.

CONTINUED...

http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bohos/bohofact.htm...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 03:09 AM
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 04:18 AM
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47. Kissinger...
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:46 AM
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50. .....and Henry A. Kissinger approves John Bolton
as does James Baker III of the Carlyle Group.

We're so screwed!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:45 PM
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52. I need to do a pic of Baker III!!! ... Got any good photos?
:evilgrin:

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:08 PM
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53. Arggh. Yikes. Man, that's a shocking picture
This place is now definitely restricted for children. This is the biggest I could find. It's not really pretty, but that'll be nothing compared to when you are finished with it

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:11 PM
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55. One of the many that I googled
I like the John Bolton thingie you did.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:18 PM
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56. I'm working on Baker right now...
What I need are some juicy Baker quotes now. Anything come to mind?

Did you collect bubble gum cards back in the 70s? :D
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:58 PM
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66. Eyes Wide Shut
It's unfortunate that the Director Stanley Kubrick passed away just prior to its release. His most disturbing film paints a perfect picture of the world's monied class. As a whole, they do what they want and they don't give a rat's ass about the rest of humanity, which to them is just another article to be used. Today's soulless global corporations may make the Third Reich look small.

A darn good review:



EYES WIDE SHUT AGAIN;

Reflections On Kubrick And The Pornography Of Corporate Life.


by Francis Donald Grabau

Aside from being the title of a brilliant film, "Eyes Wide Shut" is a verbally succinct summation of 'reality' as lived by the celebrated 'Upwardly Mobile Achiever' in today's Modern Culture. It's a film that came and went in a hurry, a film that did "poorly" at the box office despite (or perhaps because of) the inordinate amount of advertising 'hype' that preceeded its release to movie houses. That advertising focused almost exclusively on the titillating idea of Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise having sex on the 'big screen', but that's not what people saw when they went to the movie. They saw a very slow paced film which, far from being in any way sensational, seemed ominously pedestrian and even common place -except for itscarefully polished artistry. That artistry revealed the pornographic reality of contemporary 'Western Life'. An elaborately technological life which, in fact, can no longer really be called 'Western' since it's spread to every corner of the Earth. The lifestyle the film portrays pivots around the 'artsy-fartsy' doings of a secret cabal of Masked Criminal Elitists. They are at the very causal center of everything that unfolds in the film. And this is what I want to talk about: Secret Circles & Sophisticated Rings of Power. Hence, Eyes Wide Shut Again. Or 'Contemporary Corporate Culture' as depicted in a film which takes place largely in Wealthy Party Circles.

SNIP...

Then we hear the first words spoken in the film: "Honey, have you seen my wallet ?" The soundtrack for all this is a slightly jaded waltz tune, tilted to the tempo of a carnivalesque rhythm which creates a bizarre sort of 'danse macabre'
( "Waltz For Jazz Suite II"; Dimitri Shostakovich ). For the next two hours and thirty-nine minutes we're caught up in the waltz . We follow a few days in the life of the affluent couple, Doctor Bill Harford and his wife Alice, until she speaks the closing word of the film (in the context of Xmas shopping with their child, Helena -another classical Greco-Roman reference to the Ideal Beauty of Woman): "And you know, there is something very important that we need to do as soon as possible... (pause)..." -"What's that,"- asks Doctor Bill on cue, "FUCK." she responds.

The entire film from beginning to end can be experienced as a kind of Honey-Money-Fuck. A sticky and slow-moving experience of life. A scripted, voyeuristic waltz to an apparently crude conclusion. Kubrick lures us as co-conspirators into the voyeuristic detective pacing of the film's overall mood when he 'winks' at us right away at the film's opening and again at its close. He 'winks' with the peculiar timing and style of certain quick edits which occur throughout the movie between almost still images and the suddenly black screen. The style and speed of these edits feels like a photo camera taking snap shots. When Nicole Kidman speaks the film's final word -" FUCK "- it rings abruptly in our ears because the screen edit goes to silent black once more (as it did in the beginning). Fuck ? Click. Wink. What was that all about ? In an instant the waltz starts up again and the plain credits roll white on black. From the first to the last edit we realize we're watching a stunning film. A deliberate and formally styled work of art. Elegantly bleak.

Between the opening and the conclusion we experience what it means to live life with eyes wide shut despite the fact that we may try very hard to keep them open. But the pacing of the film is frequently so slow and lulling that (despite the rich and artfully woven imagery) we can easily begin to fall asleep. Catching ourselves 'nodding-out', we may wonder -what the hell is Stanley Kubrick doing here? Why have we watched at least twenty minutes of film in which nothing at all seems to be happening ? We're caught in the conundrum of staring with eyes wide open at "Eyes Wide Shut". The irony of the situation certainly can't escape us though we each respond to it in our own ways. The title suggests that Kubrick offers the film as an exercise in seeing. Apparently, we see only what we're able to see, what we prefer to see, or perhaps what we've been conditioned to see with eyes wide shut. Blink, wink, click. To give to a film -a predominantly visual experience- the title "Eyes Wide Shut" is both ironic and provoking. We struggle hard to pay attention because we know he spent three years crafting it; we're watching something he sees and wants to communicate. But what's that ?

It's the dull pornography of everyday "civilized" life. He confronts us with the fact that we don't want to see this obscene reality -and so we live with Eyes Wide Shut. Secrecy and mutual masking are the tools that render us complicitous in our own numbing and manipulation. Kubrick unveils a select circle of society that operates as a collective of 'sentient programs' in an elite pantomime of life. These powerful 'simulacra' function seductively as programmers as well, seeking to lure others toward their own 'blind' condition. Wink, blink, click -it's a forbidden, alluring, and absolutely Taboo subject. Contagious trance.

CONTINUED...

http://starpathvisions.com/EyesWideShut.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:38 AM
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20. "History? Who cares about history?"
:cry:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:03 PM
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29. 
These BFEE Smirk & Sneer did NOTHING to stop 9-11. They used 9-11 to eviscerate the Constitution. They used 9-11 to start an illegal, although profitable for some, war. True enough. But he's still not a NAZI.



Bush Began to Plan War Three Months After 9/11

Book Says President Called Secrecy Vital


By William Hamilton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 17, 2004; Page A01

EXCERPT

Asked by Woodward how history would judge the war, Bush replied: "History. We don't know. We'll all be dead."

The president told Woodward he was cooperating on his book because he wanted the story of how the United States had gone to war in Iraq to be told. He said it would be a blueprint of historical significance that "will enable other leaders, if they feel like they have to go to war, to spare innocent citizens and their lives."

"But the news of this, in my judgment," Bush added, "the big news out of this isn't how George W. makes decisions. To me the big news is America has changed how you fight and win war, and therefore makes it easier to keep the peace in the long run. And that's the historical significance of this book, as far as I'm concerned."

Bush's critics have questioned whether he and his administration were focused on Iraq rather than terrorism when they took office early in 2001 and even after the Sept. 11 attacks. Former Treasury secretary Paul H. O'Neill and former White House counterterrorism coordinator Richard A. Clarke have made that charge in recently published memoirs.

According to "Plan of Attack," it was Cheney who was particularly focused on Iraq before the terrorist attacks. Before Bush's inauguration, Cheney sent word to departing Defense Secretary William S. Cohen that he wanted the traditional briefing given an incoming president to be a serious "discussion about Iraq and different options." Bush specifically assigned Cheney to focus as vice president on intelligence scenarios, particularly the possibility that terrorists would obtain nuclear or biological weapons.

Early discussions among the administration's national security "principals" -- Cheney, Powell, Tenet and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice -- and their deputies focused on how to weaken Hussein diplomatically. But Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz proposed sending in the military to seize Iraq's southern oil fields and establish the area as a foothold from which opposition groups could overthrow Hussein.

CONTINUED

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17347-20...
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:54 AM
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21. When you consider the worlds economy
is fueled by: 1)Weapons deals; 2)Narcotics trafficking; 3)Oil; 4)Money laundering ; 5)Currency speculation one can see how twisted and evil the situation is.

However, little people in little places can do little things.

From small things momma, big things one day come.



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:14 PM
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30. Thanks for reminding me, chlamor! Ollie North, Drug Dealer


The man who wrote the following was a DEA agent, stationed in Central America. Celerino "Cele" Castillo witnessed Ollie North's people unloading guns and loading cocaine for the trip north.



CONTRA-INTELLIGENCE
ON OLIVER L. NORTH


By Celerino "Cele" Castillo, 3rd

Former Federal Drug Agent and Author of:
Powderburns- Cocaine, Contras & the Drug War

EXCERPT...

Several years ago, the extreme right arm of the Christian Coalition selected to support Oliver North for U.S. Senate. Their support backfired and North became one of two Republicans who lost the elections that year. During North's campaign, I traveled to the Virginia to educate concern citizens on Oliver North. I went out to "grassroots" communities, and educated them on the criminal activities that Oliver North had been involved in during the 1980s. I went as far as challenging North to a debate. Of course, he refused.

During his failed 1994 campaign, he frequently claimed that there was no basis for any charges of his complicity in drug running, because as he keeps saying, "I'm the most investigated man on this planet." The truth of the matter is that the Iran-Contra special prosecutor, Lawrence Walsh, never investigated the drug trafficking allegations, because he did not consider it part of his mandate. The special prosecutor's original mandate from Congress was defined very narrowly, concentrating on the Iranian arms sales, the "diversion" of funds from the Iranian arms sales to the Contra operation, and on the Contra support operation as a violation of U.S. law.

During all the misdirected hoopla about Iran-Contra, the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee (known as the "Kerry committee") continued its work. Jack Blum, an investigator for Senator Kerry, testified to the committee on Feb. 11, 1987 that the Contras move drugs "not by the pound, not by the bag, but by the ton, by the cargo planeloads."

In 1987, Henry Hyde, as a member of the congressional Iran-contra committee and a defense attorney, helped steer the panel away from any serious investigation of the contra-cocaine connection. His focus was to spare President Ronald Reagan and his vice president, George Bush from possible impeachment over the Iran-contra scandal and related drug crimes implicating the Nicaraguan contra army.

CONTINUED...

http://www.drugwar.com/castillonorthmay1104.shtm


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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:40 PM
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24. I just wish we had "Good Hitler" as portrayed by Tom Selleck.
(That is a reference I think maybe no one on this site will get.)

Kick!

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:22 PM
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31. What did David Hasselfhof play? Pat Robertson?
Was that a made-for-TV movie with the British actress, whatsherface?



Talking about actors: Pat "Pass The Loot" Robertson is more than just your average TV preacher. Like the enterprising fellow in the parable of the king and the 10 coins, this guy's put his collection basket to good use. Check out how in this old story that never made it to TBN Nutwork, how Pat Robertson Incoporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist:

Pat Robertson and His Business Buddies

By Colbert I. King
Saturday, November 10, 2001; Page A27

Joseph Mathews is Pat Robertson's point man in a Liberian mining venture called Freedom Gold Limited. Mathews doesn't much care for what has appeared in this column about his boss's business dealings in Liberia, so he's trying to put a little distance between the televangelist and that West African nation's strongman, Charles Taylor.

SNIP...

This much is known, however, based primarily on information obtained from Freedom Gold Limited. Pat Robertson did learn about the gold mining investment opportunity from a visiting Liberian delegation. Robertson did subsequently create the for-profit Freedom Gold Limited in the Cayman Islands in December 1998 in which he was listed as the president and the company's sole director. He did conclude a mining agreement signed personally by him, Charles Taylor and key members of Taylor's cabinet on May 18, 1999. And the deal does give the Taylor regime a cut of the action.

Now why is a freedom-loving, God-fearing man such as Pat Robertson signing on the dotted line with Taylor, a U.S. prison escapee, Libyan terrorist training camp graduate, human rights violator, and pillager of his own country and his neighbor, Sierra Leone?

What's there to like about Charles Taylor?

He was once an ally of the equally repulsive Samuel Doe, the semi-literate master sergeant who led a bloody coup in April 1980 against Liberian President William Tolbert. The late Tolbert ended up dead and disemboweled in the executive mansion -- a fate shared 10 years later by election-rigger par excellence Doe who, while wearing the mantle of president, was tortured, mutilated and done in by rebels.

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=artic...
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:27 AM
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43. Hiya, Octafish! Great stuff!
Palast has some stuff on Robberson -- er, Robertson:

http://gregpalast.com/searchresults.cfm?searchtype=colu...

The reference is to a webcomic my friend led me to. The "Good Hitler versus Space Hitler" run featured Tom Selleck. The GHvSH series starts here:

http://goats.com/archive/050314.html

Not everyone's cup of tea, but I like to laugh as much as possible, so I don't cry too much.

Btw, the guy designed a great pre-election tee-shirt that proves he's one of the good guys:



Nice to see you about. :hi:

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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:58 PM
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25. Great title, man!
Sometimes I think of 'em more like Chucky-Dolls...


"DO YOU WANNA PLAY WITH ME?"

Everyone in the news media keeps saying that Bush and Co. are unquestionably well-meaning dumbbells who are simply in well over their pointy little heads. Liberals and conservatives alike are in lockstep regarding this question of basic intent; Clinton's been on tv lately criticizing the policies of the neocons, but always with the gentle caveat that they are surely doing their best, and he just has to admire their tenacity and tactics and party discipline and all this other shit... who the hell ever praises Hitler for his political genius or his arguably extremely patriotic fervor? Who gives the Nazis their "props" for such "admirable" military discipline? WHO???
Even a good and noble man like Michael Moore seems to feel this insatiable need to opine that he's sure the president is doing his best, that he's not an evil man, just a misguided, mumbling, bumbling, blithering fool.
Everyone in America seems to want to pretend they possess a level of prescience, of amazing omnipotence when it comes to this question; every authoritative voice, even the dissenting ones, believe they can actually see into the night-dark hearts and souls of our soulless, heartless present leaders, based apparently on their ability to act, for the most part, with some reasonable degree of civility in their public livesact being the key word here.
Me, I just can't agree. Wish I could, but I can't.

Serial killers. Delusional, maniacal, cannabalistic madmen, the whole lot of 'em...

Read the rest at
http://presidentevilonline.com/chucky.html
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:07 PM
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26. It's not just you
Edited on Fri May-13-05 03:09 PM by DrDebug
There are many here who see that the man is a sociopath, a psychopath, dumb and a bully. And that's a treacherous combination, because it means that Bush - like others within the administration - are not only dangerous, but also beyond change.

Why is that important? The fast majority of people are able to change their ways and have the ability to become a little different. In general this takes a long time, but it's possible.

There are exceptions to the rule though and those are the sociopaths and the psychopaths, because they are beyond change and will not improve. This probably has to do with the fact that they know that they are doing something which is wrong, but since they have no guilt or conscience there is nothing in the system stopping it. In fact since they notice that deceipt and lies work and work very well and come with great rewards, they have committed themselves to continue on the journey which they started and they won't stop until they are stopped by force.

And that's the dilemma we are facing right now. Who will stop the BFEE?

Edit: spelling
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:45 PM
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33. First we bell the cat.
That means we help the population see that thing is a menace to us the residents of Mouseville.



The Mice had a meeting to plan how to free themselves from their enemy, the Cat. They wanted to be able to tell when he was coming. After many plans were discussed, a Young Mouse stood up and said: "I have a simple plan that can work. All we have to do is to put a bell on the cat's tail. That way we can tell when he's coming." All of the mice were excited with such a good idea. As they began rejoicing, an Old Mouse stood up and said in the middle of their excitement:

"Who is going to put the bell on the Cat's tail?"

The moral being some things are easier said than done!

SOURCE: http://www.stellabooks.com/articles/Aesop.htm

Sure. We know what we have to do. Our job will be quicker and faster and less painful if everyone of our fellow citizens who gives a damn is aware of the true nature of the BFEE and threat posed to their future and that of their children. These turds have emptied most of the Treasurey and aer now working to penure American middle class. Once that is accomplished, who will oppose their quest for power?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:38 PM
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32. Gee. At first I was LMAO. Then I read what you wrote. Amazing.
You hit the Chucky question out of the ballpark and the bases of dis-understanding were loaded. The strange thing is what kind of zombie-like support the little turd from Crawford musters amongst those who should be opposing him the most. Yet, he gets a pass from the DEMs in the Senate, House, state houses, etc. They probably remember what happens to those who oppose the BFEE, they get the JFK Treatment (JFK Jr, Sen. Paul Wellstone, Cliff Baxter) when they pipe up.

Image

Nevertheless, from what I've seen and heard, the people in the city halls are hearing about Bush and what he's doing to the country. While these concerned Americans have not put things into words like you have DX, once they read what you wrote they'll have them to use when the speak to other people. You've pegged them for what they are -- psychopathic personalities with limited IQs and worldviews. Identifying the BFEE for what they are makes the battle much easier and faster. Truth triumphs over lies and wickedness.
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:01 AM
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41. Thank you, OctaFish, for your kind words and excellent literary taste!
That piece is actually a bit dated, first published almost a year ago... I've got many such on my site but it's less than three months old now, and those pages don't get much traffic yet; too bad, too, cuz I think my writing's probably a helluva lot stronger than my art...
But who reads anymore?... sigh... hard to get noticed in this biz...

Y'know, in some ways it's more hopeful now, cuz some people ARE beginning to wake up; on the other hand, the damage done, especially these last 4 1/2 years... man...
I'm always hopeful, though, when I'm not in a state of deep despair, anyway...
We gotta keep pushing; that's what my site is for, another window out of the phony Matrix world and into real reality... and distorted as that particular window is, that was the intention... I'm taking a bit of a different tack at all this, and hoping that my efforts are indeed doing SOMETHING to shake people out of their comas...
So I appreciate the good feedback; makes me feel useful...
Still, no one really seems to get religion til the trouble starts impactin' them where they live... dammit!
More than all our efforts at education and enlightenment of those still sunk deep in the dream, it's probably these gas prices of late that are finally penetrating thru the haze...
Oh well; I'll take what I can get...
D
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:11 AM
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48. Your writing will get noticed eventually. You are very useful!
Look at the DU and see the different roles people play and what their strong points are. This of course makes it sounds like people are one-dimensional and they are not, but they have something which they are good at.

The Octafish posts get overloaded with 'so-called conspiracy' information. That's because Octafish is a feeder. It's a bit like a teacher except that they feed information, more information gets added and it's upto the reader to learn the lesson which is being fed. Feeders attract other feeders, and that makes these posts for good reading, because it'll offer some pieces of puzzle.

So where do you fit in? You are fiction writer and you are good at getting peoples attention with your posts and your site and entertaining them while you educate them unknowingly.

I recall seeing you write somewhere that you are a horror fiction/film fan but that you think that these facts are stranger than fiction. And that is probably where you fit in. I think you are faction writer. Faction is telling a story which seems fictional on the outside but it's an impression of what is really happening primary based on facts, but since it is within the average person's comprehension they are willing to accept it and not dismiss it as tin-hat foil.

I'll give you an example:
The Distinguished Gentleman (1992) starring Eddie Murphy and Lane Smith. Sadly a lot of people didn't get what the movie was about and that it was faction and unlike the movie there's no happy ending yet.


http://www.jonathanlynn.com/films/distinguished_gentlem...
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 03:59 PM
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54. Excellent analysis, Doc!
And thank you, too, for the kind words n' props...
I think you're dead-on with those characterizations... I like that, "faction writer"... I like that very much...
A lotta the best films fall into that category you speak of... for some reason when I read your post I immediately flashed on Groundhog Day, which is such an incredibly Buddhist film, secretly...
Another that comes to mind is King of Hearts, a really old (1968, I think) French comedy that is silly and whimsical and pretty light throughout, mostly... yet secreted within this lovely little fable is a single minute that is without a doubt the STRONGEST and SIMPLEST and therefore most poetic statement against the insane folly of war EVER put to film, IMHO...

EVERYBODY READING THIS, DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR AND RENT KING OF HEARTS ASAP! GET THE DUBBED VERSION IF YOU CAN!! IT'S AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL DUBBING; IT ACTUALLY MAKES THE FILM BETTER!!!

Oddly, the very best stuff is hard to find these days... for some reason, a lot of the great stuff is being forgotten...
Joseph Heller's Catch-22 is my best example of this phenomenon. In many ways it's the third member of the incredibly far-sighted futurist trilogy, right up there with 1984 and Brave New World... but when the film version was released (w/Alan Arkin, Bob Balaban, Bob Newhart, Orson Welles, Martin Sheen, Richard Benjamin, Art Garfunkel & others; screenplay by the GREAT Buck Henry, a brilliant adaptation of a completely unadaptable novel!) it nearly spelled the end of Mike Nichols' budding film career... the critics piled on and savaged it like lunatics, kinda like they did to Oliver Stone's JFK; a total feeding frenzy that made no sense at all, cuz it's a really wise and funny and cool movie...
Stone said it as plainly as possible: "We are in the hands of the enemy"... and they obviously didn't want people hearing that...
I think the powers that be didn't want the concepts in Heller's great novel being accessed by Joe AverageCitizen, even back then... in fact, it came out around '69, 70', so there was a war on back then, too...
And it's really weird that few remember or reference it now, cuz Catch-22 is EXACTLY what's happening right here, right now... we are seeing the naked face of war as it truly is, stripped of all the artifice of phony patriotism and nationalistic fervor and even the justification of self-defense; war as big business, war as economic necessity...
As far as our BRAVE and NOBLE LEADERS TRUE are concerned, a LOT of US are simply cordwood to feed the Mighty Magnificent Smoke-Belching Shit-Shooting Machine...
I will beat this drum for as long as I can...
Thanx again for the encouragement, Doc! You are definitely one cool frood!
:toast:
D
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:42 PM
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57. You're welcome :)
Many good movies and books are ficition based on facts. That's what makes them so good as well. Catch 22 is an excellent example and a very accurate assessment what could happen and is happening.

I haven't heard of the King of Hearts. I'll try to find it somewhere.

Nice point about Groundhog day. I loved that movie and it was indeed partially based on the Buddhist philosophy (and the Hindu philosophy as well). You're life is a lesson and if you don't learn a certain piece it'll come back on your plate later on until you finally got rid off it. In a way it is what we are seeing in the world right now.

It is what General Montgomory did during WWII. Instead of analysing the map of the area he was about to conquer, he first analysed the history of previous battles in the same area, because he said that the outcome would be the same and that you should take 1000+ year old accounts literally because they held the essence of what would happen.

Sadly we don't do that anymore, because of sheer arrogance and an untrue believe in technology, because the US are the Mitanni, the Sunni are the Assyrians and the Shiites are Babylonia. The Assyrians defeated the Mitanni and then they took Babylonia. Then their empire fell through revolts and Nebuchadnezzar came to power and it finally became quiet. Read this story again in a decade or so. I'm curious whether history will repeat itself...
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:13 PM
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27. Your summary is WHY it is SO important
that the youth of this country form a unified coalition
of dissent.
THEY are the ones who are ultimately going to be screwed
the most by current events.
BHN
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:21 AM
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38. Thanks, BeHereNow.
You understand and give a damn. The planet is being made uninhabitable for the majority of mankind by this crowd. They of the BFEE and the klepto-plutocratic & satanic elite they serve will survive, whether they hide in an underground undisclosed location in Mt. Thunder or down Paraguay way with Rev. Moon. They'll be OK. The rest of humanity is going to get the final solution treatment.

BTW: The photo in the original thread shows the Schickelgrber giving a little encouragement to a young member of the NAZI Youth in the days before the fall of Berlin. Here's that city in May, 1945:



The Smirkelgrber is "working" to do the same thing to a lot of towns across the nation and world.
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lilymercury Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:17 PM
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34. Killer Billionaires for Bushler. Seig W!
You hit it Octafish. Bushler does nazi real people, only his "base"the Elite. :grr:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:39 AM
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39. Hitler. Rockefeller. Harriman. Dulles. Bush. Dulles. Bush. Bush.
Interview with a Prosecutor

By interview by John Buchanan
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 2, October 24, 2003

EXCERPT...

(Former US Attorney John) Loftus - Yes, they should have been tried for treason, because they continued to support Hitler after the US entered the war. As a former prosecutor, I could have made that case.

(Reporter and GOP Presidential Candidate John) Buchanan - What do you think their true motives were in betraying their country for profit?

Loftus - It was a perfect example of spin, before the term was even invented. Their goal was that no matter which side won the war, their international industrial cartel would survive and prosper. They had a perfect set-up - a bank in New York (UBC), one in Holland (Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart), and one in Germany (August Thyssen Bank). They were prepared for anything that could have happened. They wanted to avoid exactly what happened to Fritz Thyssen after WWI. That was the whole point. He had lost many of his major businesses, and they came up with a better way to prepare for the Second World War.
Buchanan - How did they manage the cover-up after the first seizures in 1942 and continue with their dealings until 1951, when Thyssen died in Argentina?

Loftus - They brought in John Foster Dulles and Sullivan and Cromwell, and his brother Allen in Europe. The Dulles brothers put into effect a cloaking arrangement that was reflected in the records of Brown Brothers Harriman. There was one account - Brown Brothers Schroeder Rock - that was a cloaking account at Schroeder Bank. The Rock was the Rockefellers.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_acti...



PS: A most hearty welcome to DU, lilymercury!
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lilymercury Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 07:44 AM
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51. Thanks Octafish!
Love the comic!! :hi: :rofl:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:24 PM
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35. Both Hitler and Bush rate a 10 on the "looking out for numero uno" scale.
:puke:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:55 AM
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40. Why is it those with the least to offer are the last to see it?


Mix and match:
1. Last seen hanging around with his girlfriend.
2. He's still dead.
3. Village Idiot of Crawford
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:03 AM
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42. 1)Il Duce 3)Il Doucebag
Ya got me on #2. :-)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 08:11 PM
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58. El Douchito
Generalisimo Francisco Franco, the bastard who killed over a million of his countrymen -- Republicans (who wanted to vote for their leaders) to commies (who then thought each according to his need) during the Spanish Civil War to anyone who opposed fascism or his dictatorship. He also is reported to have killed a million Moroccans and assorted Untermenschen.

A close, personal friend of Hitler with many a Cabinet minister straight out of Opus Dei, Saturday Night Live made fun of him after the lowly turd passed away in 1975. "News Flash!" Chevy Chase would say. "Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead."

Many are very glad about that. Me included.



Detailed timeline with pics:

http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/Prelude07.html


A lot of background, excerpted from an excellent book on the proto-BFEE megaturd:

http://www.iiipublishing.com/franco.htm
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:05 AM
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44. Hitler's "Enabling Act"...
... is nearly identical (exact concept) of Bush's "PATRIOT Act".
Hitler was an "evil genius" though, Bush is not a genius.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 03:31 AM
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46. Evil geniuses sometimes prefer to work behind the scenes
See the previous Know your BFEE column
Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Or as dxstone sees it:


--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
More about Enabling vs Patriot in the link blow


(...)
Statement Number One: "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

Statement Number Two: "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve."

The first statement is a quote from Hitler's right hand man, Hermann Goering, explaining at his war crimes trial how easily he and his fellow Nazis hijacked Germany's democratic government. The second statement is a quote from Bush's right hand man, John Ashcroft, defending the Patriot Act and explaining why dissent will no longer be tolerated in the age of terrorism. If that doesn't send chills down your spine, nothing will.
(...)
http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/actpat.htm


News Gathering Is Illegal
Under New Patriot Act ll
By Alex Jones
InfoWars.com
11-20-4

SECTION 102 of the new Patriot Act ll states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

http://www.rense.com/general59/newsgatheringisillegal.h...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:24 PM
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63. The Nazification of America
That's how Norman Livergood puts it.

http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step4.htm

Hitler also was a war hero. Bush is a draft dodger.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 08:18 PM
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59. Pity, Sympathy, No Mercy! n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:33 PM
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64. The Origins of the Overclass
The names Nixon, Bush, Dulles and Harriman are intertwined in a spider's web that ties together war profiteers, the Military-Industrial Complex, NAZIs, drug traffickers, arms merchants, money launderers, mobsters, a corrupted government and news media, as well as plain old psychotic satan worshippers on threads made of gold, diamonds, platinum and oil.

The Origins of the Overclass

By Steve Kangas

The wealthy have always used many methods to accumulate wealth, but it was not until the mid-1970s that these methods coalesced into a superbly organized, cohesive and efficient machine. After 1975, it became greater than the sum of its parts, a smooth flowing organization of advocacy groups, lobbyists, think tanks, conservative foundations, and PR firms that hurtled the richest 1 percent into the stratosphere.

The origins of this machine, interestingly enough, can be traced back to the CIA. This is not to say the machine is a formal CIA operation, complete with code name and signed documents. (Although such evidence may yet surface and previously unthinkable domestic operations such as MK-ULTRA, CHAOS and MOCKINGBIRD show this to be a distinct possibility.) But what we do know already indicts the CIA strongly enough. Its principle creators were Irving Kristol, Paul Weyrich, William Simon, Richard Mellon Scaife, Frank Shakespeare, William F. Buckley, Jr., the Rockefeller family, and more. Almost all the machine's creators had CIA backgrounds.

During the 1970s, these men would take the propaganda and operational techniques they had learned in the Cold War and apply them to the Class War. Therefore it is no surprise that the American version of the machine bears an uncanny resemblance to the foreign versions designed to fight communism. The CIA's expert and comprehensive organization of the business class would succeed beyond their wildest dreams. In 1975, the richest 1 percent owned 22 percent of Americas wealth. By 1992, they would nearly double that, to 42 percent the highest level of inequality in the 20th century.

How did this alliance start? The CIA has always recruited the nations elite: millionaire businessmen, Wall Street brokers, members of the national news media, and Ivy League scholars. During World War II, General "Wild Bill" Donovan became chief of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA. Donovan recruited so exclusively from the nations rich and powerful that members eventually came to joke that "OSS" stood for "Oh, so social!"

Another early elite was Allen Dulles, who served as Director of the CIA from 1953 to 1961. Dulles was a senior partner at the Wall Street firm of Sullivan and Cromwell, which represented the Rockefeller empire and other mammoth trusts, corporations and cartels. He was also a board member of the J. Henry Schroeder Bank, with offices in Wall Street, London, Zurich and Hamburg. His financial interests across the world would become a conflict of interest when he became head of the CIA. Like Donavan, he would recruit exclusively from societys elite.

By the 1950s, the CIA had riddled the nations businesses, media and universities with tens of thousands of part-time, on-call operatives. Their employment with the agency took a variety of forms, which included:

* Leaving one's profession to work for the CIA in a formal, official capacity.
* Staying in one's profession, using the job as cover for CIA activity. This undercover activity could be full-time, part-time, or on-call.
* Staying in one's profession, occasionally passing along information useful to the CIA.
* Passing through the revolving door that has always existed between the agency and the business world.

CONTINUED...

http://mirrors.korpios.org/resurgent/L-overclass.html



BTW: A most hearty welcome to DU, Wizard777!


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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:22 PM
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70. 1,000 year class war.
To best understand what what is going on in Iraq. Read the Necronomicon. Bush is Azog Thoth (Blind Idiot God/ Consealer of Truth/Barer of Satanic Law.) Saddam is the hero Marduk. Saddam actively promoted himself as Marduk in desert storm. If you want the script to both wars that is it. The Necronomicon by H.P.Lovecraft. comming to areality near you soon. Opps! Too late It's here. 10:1 the Ancient Dragons head of Marduk is in the Harvard Crypt. They are head hunters. This would be Greater than Bush's grandfather, Prescott (presidential mascot) Bush's contribition. The Skull of Geronimo.

Thank You for the kind welcome. They don't call me the Wizard for nothing. LOL
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 08:32 PM
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61. The thrusting of the penis
It's all part of getting fucked. Is messy, and filled with juices,
moaning and all sorts of abstract behaviour... but he result is the
same.. knocked up with some wanker's sperm swimmming about looking
for a home.

Well, that's pretty much all we're up to here on earth. For those
of you lurkers from other galaxies... PLEASE INTERVENE.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 11:09 PM
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67. It may get worse.
What if we get the "Visitors" we deserve?



We'll WISH we were mutilated cattle.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 08:40 PM
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62. The global corporacrats = fascists.
Octafish,... :hug:

You are a warrior for human freedom and equality!!!

I admire you greatly!!!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 11:23 PM
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68. Kenny Boy Lay not only wanted to corner energy...
... he wanted to corner the water market. And like the good corporate welfare cheat that he is, he wanted to "Privatize" the public water treatment and bottling infrastructure in the US and certain countries overseas. Gee. First the taxpayers pay for the expensive part. Then Gov. Bush's best cash cow gets to buy the operation on the cheap. Then it wouldn't be a surprise to discover that one day we'd have to pay $20 for a gallon of drinking water to the same guy who put a crink in the electricity hose to California. Small world.

Dead in the Water: Enron's grab for Florida's water was factor in collapse

By MICHAEL POLLICK and CHRIS DAVIS
Sarasota Herald-Tribune
Sunday, March 17, 2002

While Jeb Bush was running for Florida's governor in the summer of 1998, Enron Corp., a fast-growing Houston energy broker, was diversifying into a potentially lucrative new field privatization of water supplies.

Even as Bush's secretary for the Department of Environmental Protection was settling into his office in February 1999, top executives of Enron's new water venture, Azurix Corp., were seeking audiences with the new governor and his DEP chief David Struhs. Although Bush generally kept his distance from Azurix, his man Struhs stood on the sidelines like a cheerleader throughout Enron-Azurix's unsuccessful two-year attempt to privatize Florida's water market.

Struhs promoted two ideas near and dear to Azurix: auctioning off blocks of water to the highest bidder, and boosting underground water and storing it there for later withdrawal, a process called aquifer storage and recovery, or ASR.

By May 2001, as Enron was getting ready to junk Azurix and sell it for its parts, Struhs cooled on ASR, citing concerns by environmentalists and legislators.

Enron's attempt to duplicate its success in energy brokerage with a free-market approach to water resulted in $900 million in Azurix debt a factor in Enron's decision to seek protection from creditors in bankruptcy court.

CONTINUED...

http://www.whoseflorida.com/azurix.htm

PS: Thank you for the kind words, Just Me. The same goes for you and the rest of DU who see what these NAZI turds are doing to America and the world and give a damn about it.



The BFEE is real and they're trying to kill us all!
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:57 PM
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65. Kick!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 11:43 PM
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69. In Medieval times, the lord of the manor got first dibs on newlywed brides
It was called the "Right of the First Night." Sheesh. Who do they think they are, these fine people, the blue bloods. Their mindset is that they are better than anyone, except their peers or superiors. No wonder the unlanded masses became history's cannon fodder. Like a good trust fund, that attitude has been handed down from generation to generation. But the belief that one human being is more valuable than another is the attitude that gave rise to racism, bigotry, nationalism, fascism, neo-cons, the Bell Curve, the BFEE and the New Feudalism.



A little song about the Old Feudalism:

Matty Groves

A holiday, a holiday, and the first one of the year
Lord Donald's wife came into the church, the gospel for to hear
And when the meeting it was done, she cast her eyes about
And there she saw little Matty Groves, walking in the crowd
"Come home with me, little Matty Groves, come home with me tonight
Come home with me, little Matty Groves, and sleep with me till light"
"Oh, I can't come home, I won't come home and sleep with you tonight
By the rings on your fingers I can tell you are my master's wife"
"But if I am Lord Donald's wife, Lord Donald's not at home
He is out in the far cornfields bringing the yearlings home"

And a servant who was standing by and hearing what was said
He swore Lord Donald he would know before the sun would set
And in his hurry to carry the news, he bent his breast and ran
And when he came to the broad millstream, he took off his shoes and he swam

Little Matty Groves, he lay down and took a little sleep
When he awoke, Lord Donald was standing at his feet
Saying "How do you like my feather bed and how do you like my sheets
How do you like my lady who lies in your arms asleep?"
"Oh, well I like your feather bed and well I like your sheets
But better I like your lady gay who lies in my arms asleep"
"Well, get up, get up," Lord Donald cried, "get up as quick as you can
It'll never be said in fair England that I slew a naked man"
"Oh, I can't get up, I won't get up, I can't get up for my life
For you have two long beaten swords and I not a pocket knife"
"Well it's true I have two beaten swords and they cost me deep in the purse
But you will have the better of them and I will have the worse
And you will strike the very first blow and strike it like a man
I will strike the very next blow and I'll kill you if I can"

So Matty struck the very first blow and he hurt Lord Donald sore
Lord Donald struck the very next blow and Matty struck no more
And then Lord Donald took his wife and he sat her on his knee
Saying "Who do you like the best of us, Matty Groves or me?"
And then up spoke his own dear wife, never heard to speak so free
"I'd rather a kiss from dead Matty's lips than you or your finery"

Lord Donald he jumped up and loudly he did bawl
He struck his wife right through the heart and pinned her against the wall
"A grave, a grave," Lord Donald cried, "to put these lovers in
But bury my lady at the top for she was of noble kin


-- Traditional Arr. by Fairport Convention
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