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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:58 PM
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Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook
In Washington, few people are more powerful than Sneering Dick Cheney. The little turd from Crawford isn't one of them.

Cheney has enriched those who enriched him -- before 9/11

Cheney's Multi-Million Dollar Revolving Door

...and after, when the profits of war were even fatter.

Cheney Coordinated Halliburton Iraq Contract: Report

Cheney also covered up -- obstructed justice for those in old school law school -- the murder of a CIA scientist.

(A personal note: One of Mr. Olson's children is a DUer. I ask of this person: Please forgive me for bringing up and using the most painful memories to shed light on the evil these men do.)

Rumsfeld & Cheney's Dirty Little Spy Secret

By Fintan Dunne Editor, GuluFuture. com
18th August 2002

While aides to Gerald Ford, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney helped cover up the background to the death of CIA scientist, Frank Olson who fell from a 10th floor window in 1953, not long after he had been classified as a potential security risk.

Olson's son Eric says his father's conscience was troubled by awareness of Nazi-style CIA experiments on human subjects.

Kathryn Olmsted, University of California-Davis history professor, recently discovered files at the Gerald Ford library that showed White House officials deliberately withheld details of Olson's death from his family.

They included a memo from Dick Cheney, who was a White House assistant at the time, to Donald Rumsfeld, the chief of staff, on July 11, 1975. That memo warned that a lawsuit by Olson's family might make it necessary "to disclose highly classified national-security information.''

Another memo routed through Cheney and written by White House counsel Roderick Hills to the president cautioned that in any court action "it may become apparent that we are concealing evidence for national-security reasons.''

There must have been a lot to conceal, because the administration rolled out the red carpet for the Olson family. They were granted a meeting with the president Gerald Ford, who apologized for the death and promised full disclosure. Then they met with CIA Director William Colby, who gave them a file of documents comprising the CIA investigation into Olson's death.



The Frank Olson Murder

Frank Olson was an American citizen, born in 1910 and murdered in New York City in 1953 by the CIA. Here'san outline of thecase:

Fort Detrick is the U.S. Army's biowarfare facility, founded in 1943. Frank Olson was one of the first scientists to work there. From the final years of World War II through the Korean War and up to the present time scientists at Fort Detrick developed biological weapons including anthrax.

Following the end of World War II the U.S. conducted "Operation Paperclip", which scoured Germany for Nazi scientists who could be useful. Itfound some who had conducted experiments on prisoners in Dachau and other Nazi concentration camps, including one Kurt Blome. He was among the defendants in the Nuremberg War Trials, and would have been convicted and hanged but for American intervention. In return for agreeing to provide information to the Americans about his experiments in Dachau, and advice in the development of their own germ warfare program, an acquittal was arranged, and he escaped the gallows.

Frank Olson and Kurt Blome (who had become a proteg of the Americans) later met at Camp King in Germany in the early 1950s when Olson made several visits there to participate in "Operation Artichoke", in which the U.S.Army and the CIA experimented with the use of drugs (including LSD) in interrogation. Olson was present during brutal interrogations by the Americans of Soviet prisoners and suspected double agents, some of whom died under torture. Olson was deeply disturbed by what he had seen.

In the summer of 1953 Olson travelled again to Europe. In Berlin in August he witnessed several brutal interrogations involving torture and the use of drugs. On his return to the U.S. he confided to a friend and colleague at Fort Detrick, Norman Cournoyer, that he was disgusted with what the CIA was doing and was determined to leave.

In November 1953 Olson attended a meeting of a group of CIA agents at a country retreat where they discussed their work. Olson was suspected by the CIA of being a security risk. He was given a drink laced with LSD and when well under the influence of the drug he was subjected to interrogation using Artichoke techniques, probably a very unpleasant experience.


There's much, much more evil and lawlessness on the part of Sneer. I need help remembering it all. A little help?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:04 PM
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1. What do Kissinger, Brzezinski, Cheney, Perle & Baker have in common?
From Minstrel Boy
original thread

They're all directors of the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. (Cheney until the 2000 election. Richard Armitage, too.) Lloyd Bentson and Brent Scowcroft are also members.

Here's their website.

And what language was Sibel Edmonds' translating?

From an interview:

CD: Now I know you speak Turkish but what else?

SE: Because of my time in Iran, I also know Farsi. And Azerbaijani.


CD: So you were in the first category, a full linguist?

SE: For Turkish and Azerbaijani I was, yes. But since I hadn't been practicing Farsi for practically 25 years, I was just allowed to be a monitor in that language. I passed all the FBI exams in written Farsi, but not all for speaking. So I didn't do, say, live interviews.

Whatever explosive information Sibel Edmonds uncovered in the FBI translation department, for which John Ashcroft gagged her, came in either Turkish or Azerbaijani.

About the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. Its stated goals, as posted on its website, include:

To serve as a liaison with governmental and non-governmental entities, business organizations, think tanks, and to encourage cooperation and information exchange

To sponsor educational programs, trade missions, seminars, conferences and publications to foster cultural and business interests

Now, what does this sound like, from Sibel Edmonds' interview:

CD: At several points you state that such organized crime networks employ "semi-legitimate organizations" as their point of interface with governments and the "legit" world. Can you explain exactly what you mean?

SE: These are organizations that might have a legitimate front say as a business, or a cultural center or something. And we've also heard a lot about Islamic charities as fronts for terrorist organizations, but the range is much broader and even, simpler.

CD: For example?

SE: You might have an organization supposed to be promoting the cultural affairs of a certain country within another country. Hypothetically, say, an Uzbek folklore society based in Germany. The stated purpose would be to hold folklore-related activities and they might even do that but the real activities taking place behind the scenes are criminal.

Sibel Edmonds has also said:

You get to a point where it gets very complex, where you have money laundering activities, drug related activities, and terrorist support activities converging at certain points and becoming one. In certain points - and they (the intelligence community) are separating those portions from just the terrorist activities. And, as I said, they are citing "foreign relations" which is not the case, because we are not talking about only governmental levels. And I keep underlining semi-legit organizations and following the money. When you do that the picture gets grim. It gets really ugly.... I can tell that once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:22 PM
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6. Sibel Heard: Dope Dealing and Money-Laundering by American Bigwigs.
Oh yeah. Cheney's a lead turd on keeping the lid on Sibel Edmonds for the BFEE VIPs.

A funny thing happened on the way to 'The Truth'

By Karl W. B. Schwarz


During the FBI translations Sibel came across pre-9-11 drug trafficking and money laundering and that is evidently what they are trying to keep quiet. It does not take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that first, the Saudis do not need drug trafficking to generate cash flow to finance terrorism if they are in fact the culprits, and secondly, that tidbit of information does not fit what we have all been told about how al Qaeda financed the attack upon America. After I weighed it all, I thought the 9-11 attorneys might not be as interested in Sibel Edmonds' testimony as they first thought because drug trafficking and money laundering is not exactly a Saudi modus operandi.

More importantly, what Sibel Edmonds found was not from counter-terrorism sources. It was from ongoing FBI investigations of Americans and foreign nationals involved in drug trafficking, money laundering and apparently pre-9-11 activities and financing of that attack. Now that explains why Emperor GW cannot dare let Sibel Edmonds testify under oath in that $1 trillion lawsuit, or before Congress or before the 9-11 Commission. We have not been told that Americans might have been in part involved in 9-11. Wouldn't that be a hoot compared to the endless lies we have heard from the Bush administration?


Somewhere along the way Baron Rummy forgot to tell us all what Karen Kwiatkowski disclosed, that being the Pentagon was running a little shop of lies known as The Office of Special Plans to skew intelligence to fit the policy that Emperor George II, Prince Dick and Baron Rumsfeld wanted us all to believe. I think the entire world now knows they lied, so no sense wasting time here to belabour that point any further today.

Before I forget, of course George H.W. Bush was vice president and former head of the CIA when Iran-Contra was being done as a CIA black op. CIA, GHWB, Drug trafficking, money laundering, Armitage, Pakistan ISI, what is the connection? I seem to recall that when Barry Seal's body was found (he was the drug part of Iran-Contra) they found George H W Bush's personal telephone number in his car. Curious indeed. Maybe GW should slap "SECRET" all the way back to before his birth just to be on the safe side.


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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:17 PM
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2. Hope You Will
Keep this going thru the 'morrow, must get some rest. With the topic at hand it may take you through the week.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:45 PM
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9. I got to. I got to. I got to reprimer the Jeep tomorrow. CheneyChickenHawk
First of back-to-back bad days at the rabbit.

Speaking of chickenhawks having "other priorities"...

Elizabeth Cheney, Deferment Baby

How Dick Cheney dodged the Vietnam draft.

By Timothy Noah
Posted Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM PT

"he Senator from Massachusetts has given us ample doubts about his judgment and the attitude he brings to bear on vital issues of national security," Vice President Dick Cheney said during a March 17 visit to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum. He was talking, of course, about John Kerry, the putative Democratic presidential nominee. During the past three years, we've all become better acquainted with Vice President Cheney's judgment and attitude toward national security, which are a good deal more hawkish than Kerry's. A widely observed irony is that the dovish Kerry saw combat in Vietnam while the hawkish Cheney accepted a series of student and family-related draft deferments. Cheney's unself-consciousness about this is (or at least was) so pronounced that in 1989 he told George C. Wilson of the Washington Post, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."

What Chatterbox never realized until recently, however, is that Cheney's eldest daughter, Elizabeth Cheney, likely owes her very existence to her father's avoidance of the Vietnam draft.

The Washington Post's Phil McCombs made the intimate calculations in a profile published in April 1991, when Cheney was defense secretary. The timeline:

Aug. 29, 1964: Dick and Lynne Cheney marry.

May 19, 1965: The Selective Service classifies Dick Cheney 1-A, "available immediately for military service."

July 28, 1965: President Lyndon Johnson says draft calls will be doubled.

Oct. 26, 1965: The Selective Service declares that married men without children, who were previously exempted from the draft, will now be called up. Married men with children remain exempt.

Jan. 19, 1966: The Selective Service reclassifies Dick Cheney 3-A, "deferred from military service because service would cause hardship upon his family," because his wife is pregnant with their first child.

July 28, 1966: Elizabeth Cheney is born.

Jan. 30, 1967: Dick Cheney turns 26 and therefore becomes ineligible for the draft.

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:02 PM
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12. War is hell..and the chikenhawks get to bring hell to us all..
When I die I'm going to heaven ..I spent my time in hell
VN 1969..

Golly gee now I gotta change that neat saying that all the Vets laff about..

those stinkin chikenhawks are gonna hellfire the USA and laff from their bunkers..

To think..that anti-social personality disorder and intermittent explosive disorder that the chikenhawks ALL suffer from could been cured by Uncle Ho Chi Miens Army..
they coulda killed commies for christ and let all that rage loose instead of being traitors and blood thirsty savages and war mongers...

its hard to believe that the neo-cons grew up in the same USA that most of us Freedom lovers grew up in??
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:19 PM
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3. Thank you, thank you, thank you
for providing the perfect place for me to post this.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:53 PM
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11. You're welcome, Blue_In_AK! Anytime!
Here's one of my faves...

And another...

Images courtesy of the Bartcop Collection.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:21 PM
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4. another good thread Octafish
nominated and bookmarked w/ the others.
I've referred back to them a number of times.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:03 PM
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13. Thank you, G_j! Here's to Cheney and PNAC...
"...New Pearl Harbor, coming right up! Heh heh."

Project for the New American Century

Their Goal: The neoconservative agenda

Established in the spring of 1997 and funded largely by the energy and arms industries, the Project for the New American Century was founded as the neoconservative think tank whose stated goal was to usher in a new American century. Having won the cold war and no military threat to speak of, this group of ideologues created a blueprint for the future whose agenda was to capitalize upon our surplus of military forces and funds and forcing American hegemony and corporate privatization throughout the world. In their statement of principles they outline a fourfold agenda:

1) Increase an already enormous military budget at the expense of domestic social programs

2) Toppling of regimes resistant to our corporate interests

3) Forcing democracy at the barrel of a gun in regions that have no history of the democratic process

4) Replacing the UNs role of preserving and extending international order

(This all can be read in their own words at

Their Method

According to their own document, Rebuilding Americas Defenses ( .pdf format ) their stated goals would never be realized absent some catastrophic catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor. (page 52).

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:21 PM
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5. Quiz to follow..
HI Octa..I trust yo are in good spirits and ready to burn those bushes..

I bet ya missed this dandy and ouch it even blasts billy bob for helping out those shrubthieves from TX,CT ME ...wherever they are from ...I bout passed out when I seen Billy and Bush sr. grinning in some hustler commercial..yeh yeh about some charity..well charity begins at home for they sure gots lots of homes and plenty expensive too..
"With fresh indictments last week, the UN oil-for-food scandal took an unexpected turn into the Labyrinth -- the tangled skein of war profiteering and state terrorism that has seen the Bush Family's lust for blood money emerge in three of the darkest criminal episodes in modern American history: Iran-Contra, Iraqgate and the BCCI affair.

Texas oil baron David Chalmers of Bayoil and his partners were hit with criminal charges for allegedly cutting deals with Saddam Hussein in the notorious skim operation that outflanked UN sanctions and diverted funds intended for humanitarian relief. Prosecutors were shocked -- shocked! -- to find such collusion and corruption in the oil business.

Of course, the fact that three U.S. presidents -- the two George Bushes and their new best pal, Bill Clinton -- actually brokered massive backroom oil deals for Saddam that dwarfed Bayoil's petty chiseling, plus the fact that Saddam's nation-strangling thievery has since been eclipsed by the epic rapine of Bush II's Babylonian Conquest, in no way mitigates the seriousness of the Chalmers indictment. But somehow we doubt you'll be seeing those august statesmen sharing leg irons with old Davy anytime soon."

I has another gem about Shafig bin liden breakfasting with bush sr at Carliars bash on 9/11/01 in D.C. Such a coincidence...

I am not well Teddy K. just voted for more shrub war money and the national ID...

If ya ain't religious is not a bad time to start
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:37 PM
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7. bush and the been in londons..cozy cozy..
Shafig Bin Laden was toasting with the big boys at the annual Carlyle investors conference in D.C. on 9/11
{I heard on some net radio that bush sr. was also there. will continue searching}

"Bush's business with the Saudis and the 9-11 attacks

"When the truth is buried underground it grows, it chokes, it gathers such an explosive force that on the day it bursts out, it blows up everything."Emile Zola, French author and newspaper writer, 1840-1902


An understanding is developing that prior to the 9-11 attacks, Enron Corporation was contracting the building of a pipeline with the Taliban. The pipeline would have been built with the help of the Bin Laden construction group of Saudi Arabia and this pipeline, if realized, would have allowed Enron to extricate itself from the brink of bankruptcy. The story goes that in July 2001 the negotiations to build the pipeline failed and the Taliban were promised a carpet of bombs rather than a carpet of gold. Further, another story speculates that Al Qaeda became aware of the failure of these negotiations and as a consequence they launched the 9-11 attacks as a pre-emptive strike to the expected bombing of Afghanistan by the Americans.

Saudi Arabia

Now we must understand that fifteen of the nineteen hijackers who participated to the 9-11 attacks were Saudi nationals, yet it is embarrassing to notice that Saudi Arabia, while assisting both the rise of power of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Palestinian suicide bombings in Israel, has been treated all along as a loyal and friendly country by the Bush administration.


We also understand that the fusion of money and government have made the United States a plutocracy, that is a corporate oligarchy for the greedy rich. We also know that Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy. As a consequence, we must understand that the friendship between the Bush family and the Saudi extended royal family is based on their business relationships. And in fact, both President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney have deep interests in the oil and military business of Saudi Arabia. It is ironic that on September 11, while the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were being attacked, the Carlyle Group, a military business partnered by Bush's father, was holding its annual investor conference with the participation of Shafig Bin Laden, brother of Osama Bin Laden."

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:18 PM
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14. Petrodollars have been very, very good to Sultan Boosh.
Remember Bush has been pals with the Kuwait Roils since Nixon was a puppet. There's plenty more where that came from, so errand-boy Cheney's got his cut.

Blast to the Future: Iraqgate

by Ryan Oblivion

Feb. 20, 2001 (APJP) -- With news of President George W. Bush's bombing of Iraq on February 16th, here are some historical reminders as to who helped build Saddam Hussein's power -- former President George H. W. Bush, with the assistance of Secretary of State James Baker.

Also included is information about Dick Cheney and George W.'s business dealings in the Gulf region. (Unless otherwise indicated, all quoted excerpts are from the article linked at the bottom of that section.)

Arming his "Hitler"

Dick Cheney was Bush's Defense Secretary while Bush Sr. covertly armed and funded Hussein's military right up to the Kuwaiti invasion in August 1990, eventually leaving the American taxpayers holding $2 Billion in defaulted Iraqi debt. Was Cheney simply "out of the loop" or asleep at the wheel? Or something worse?



Columbia Journalism Review: "Iraqgate: The Big One That (almost) Got Away"

The Teicher Affidavit

"Howard Teicher, who served on Reagan's National Security Council staff, offered an affidavit in the Teledyne case that declared that CIA director William J. Casey and his deputy, Robert M. Gates, 'authorized, approved and assisted' delivery of cluster bombs to Iraq through Cardoen (In These Times, 3/6/95)." Years earlier, during his 1991 confirmation hearings for Bush's CIA Director, "Gates denied under oath that he had played a role in Cardoen cluster bomb sales to Iraq, as arms dealers had charged. Teicher's affidavit provides new evidence that Gates misled the Senate." The government promptly sealed the Teicher affidavit as a "state secret".

Dating back to the early '80's, the Iraqgate scheme was directed by then-Vice President George Bush (see above-linked CJR article). "Teicher's affidavit also bolsters a New Yorker article (11/2/92) by reporters Murray Waas and Craig Unger, which asserted that Vice President George Bush in 1986 urged Saddam Hussein to intensify his air war against Iran -- in order to increase Iran's demand for U.S.- made anti-aircraft weapons."

In other words, Bush was running the Iraqgate operation while "in the loop" of Iran-Contra, as Weinberger's notes proved. And Iran-Contra was far from a noble operation to "rescue hostages" and "fight communism".

FAIR: "Iraqgate -- Confession and Cover-up"


PS: Hey, dbeach! How are ye?

I remember a short while after Perot siphoned enough off Bushler to get Bill in that the restored Emir of Kuwait, in a show of gratitude, invited Poppy, Baker, Powell, Scowcroft and the rest of the merry gang to visit and pick-up a few awards. The Emir even sent over his own 747-B to pick everyone up in Houston. The plane was over the Gulf of Mexico when an explosion blew a hole in the wing. The jetliner turned around and managed to land safely in Texas. I saw a photo (ca. 1993) and the wing of the plane had a circular hole, about 4-feet in diameter, near the seam where the wing attaches to the fuselage.

The honest truth. I kid you not and that is what I saw in the picture. Perhaps someone with some aviation experience can shed more light on the episode. I've GOOGLED my arse off and can't find a damn sentence on the subject.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:39 PM
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15. the villains must complete their master{s} plan..
and I plan on surfin up to and through their Apocolypse..

worse evil than bilderburgs and the busheviks ..has NEVER been assembled in history..
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:11 PM
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54. Transnational Criminal Enterprise doesn't even come CLOSE.

To describe what these turds are requires a whole new vocabulary.

SuperTraitor is a start.

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:50 PM
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16. bushness as usual..bush and his guardian shieks...
" as long as I'm the dictator..." shrub could very well be the first american dictator unless schwzennazi can deliver the stolen gold and change the constitution with more bribes..old hatch man ..that pious mormon trying to change whats left of the constitution

The Family Business

I still didn't have an answer to all my questions. We knew that Clinton and the Bushes were reluctant to discomfort the Saudis by unearthing their connections to terrorists -- but what made this new president take particular care to protect the Saudis, even to the point of stymying his own intelligence agencies?

The answers kept coming back: "Carlyle" and "Arbusto."

While some people have guardian angels, our president seems to have guardian sheiks....

Behind Carlyle is a private, invitation-only investment group whose holdings in the war industry make it effectively one of America's biggest defense contractors. For example, Carlyle owned United Technologies, the maker of our fighter jets. Carlyle has the distinction of claiming both of the presidents Bush as paid retainers. Dubya served on the board of Carlyle's Caterair airplane food company until it went bust. The senior Bush traveled to Saudi Arabia for Carlyle in 1999. The bin Ladens were among Carlyle's select backers until just after the 9/11 attacks, when the connection became impolitic. The company's chairman is Frank Carlucci, Bush Sr.'s former defense secretary. The average Carlyle partner has gained about $25 million in equity. Notably, Saudi Prince Al Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz employed Carlyle as his advisor in buying up 10 percent of Citicorp's preferred stock. The choice of Carlyle for the high-fee work was odd, as the group is not an investment bank. One would almost think the Saudi potentate wanted to enrich Carlyle's members...."
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:49 PM
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59. ENRON's been very good for Bushness.
Carlyle. ENRON. Exxon. The BFEE and the secret and satanic elite they serve all love a good profit more than anything. Here's something I bet the average American doesn't know:

Enron: What Dick Cheney Knew


In the spring of 2001 the severity of the California energy emergency had inspired demands for government action, and Enron had a problem. Officials in California were arguing that federal price caps on wholesale energy sales would prevent profiteering and stabilize wildly fluctuating energy markets, and even some Republicans were saying that caps made sense. But the caps would cost Enron--which had come to dominate energy markets by taking advantage of deregulation--a fortune.

Enron CEO Kenneth Lay knew he needed high-level help. So he arranged to meet with a man who had headed a corporation with extensive business ties to Enron and who had been a prime recipient of Enron's political largesse. Vice President Dick Cheney cleared his calendar for an April 17 private meeting with Lay regarding what aides described as "energy policy matters" and "the energy crisis in California." At the meeting Lay handed Cheney a memo that read in part: "The administration should reject any attempt to re-regulate wholesale power markets by adopting price caps...."

The day after he met with Lay, Cheney gave a rare phone interview to the Los Angeles Times that had one recurrent theme: Price caps were out of the question. Dismissing the strategy as "short-term political relief for the politicians," Cheney bluntly declared, "I don't see that as a possibility."

Cheney's prognosis was flawed; within days, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission agreed to price caps and the markets calmed down. But Cheney was undeterred in his drive to deliver for Enron. The Houston-based firm enjoyed a level of vice-presidential attention during the Bush/Cheney team's first year that included explicit support of Enron's choices for key regulatory positions, intervention in the affairs of a foreign government and the structuring of an energy policy task force to allow Enron and other corporations to effectively set policy. Indeed, so close was the Cheney-Enron relationship that it is entirely reasonable to ask whether ethical and legal lines were crossed. That possibility offers the most realistic explanation for Cheney's refusal to disclose details of his Enron contacts to Congress. "Cheney says he is refusing to provide information to the Congress as a matter of principle. He told the Today show that he wants to 'protect the ability of the President and the Vice President to get unvarnished information advice from any source we want,'" notes former White House counsel John Dean. "That sounds all too familiar to me. I worked for Richard Nixon."

Less than ten days after he became Vice President--promising that a Bush/Cheney Administration would "restore decency and integrity to the Oval Office"--Cheney took charge of the Administration's energy policy task force, the National Energy Policy Development Group. No initiative interested Enron more, and Cheney welcomed the company's active participation in its deliberations. Cheney was hardly a stranger to the company. He had chaired Halliburton, a Texas-based oil services and construction conglomerate whose subsidiary, Brown & Root, helped build Houston's Enron Field, and his return to politics--after he selected himself to be Bush's running mate--benefited from Enron-linked contributions that paid for the Bush/Cheney campaign, the Florida recount fight fund and the inauguration. Cheney and his aides met at least six times with Lay and other Enron officials while preparing the group's report, which is the basis for the Administration's energy policy proposals. Additionally, Cheney's staff met with an Enron-sponsored lobbying organization, the "Clean Power Group."


Enron Reps Met With Cheney 6 Times

January 8, 2002

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Enron Corp. representatives met six times with Vice President Dick Cheney or his aides on the nation's energy policy, including a discussion in mid-October just before the company's sudden collapse.

In a letter to Congress, vice presidential counsel David Addington disclosed the number of meetings between the Bush White House and the former energy giant whose CEO, Ken Lay, has been among President Bush's top political supporters. The company became the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history on Dec. 2.

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., released the White House's Jan. 3 letter on Tuesday. He is seeking details of the meetings and information about any telephone calls or e-mails between the vice president's office and Enron.

``An employee of the vice president's staff ... met on Oct. 10, 2001, with Enron representatives and reports that they discussed energy policy matters and did not discuss information concerning the financial position of the Enron Corp.,'' the letter from Cheney's counsel said.

On Oct. 16, Enron announced huge losses, the first in a series of admissions that eventually drove down the price of the company's stock to less than a dollar a share.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:38 PM
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8. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are now species of slime-mold beetles

Drawing by Frances Fawcett, Ithaca, NY.
A slime-mold beetle of the genus Agathidium closely related to new species named for President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Click on the image for a high-resolution version (1007 x 1358 pixels, 585K)
ITHACA, N.Y. -- U.S. President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld may not all get a library, airport or highway named after them. But each has a slime-mold beetle named in his honor. Bush thanks entomologist.

Two former Cornell University entomologists who recently had the job of naming 65 new species of slime-mold beetles named three species that are new to science in the genus Agathidium for members of the U.S. administration. They are A. bushi Miller and Wheeler, A. cheneyi Miller and Wheeler and A. rumsfeldi Miller and Wheeler.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:46 PM
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10. LOL ! Heavy hit..
nice one seemslikeadream ..

Marvin was in Manhatten near his old insurance scam..oops I mean investment ..the WTC andlike majic Mo Jo Attas passport is found
in perfect condition near the crime scene..
Poppy bush may have been breakfasting with Shafig B. You know waldos D.C. at the Carliars conference on 9/ gets better...
Marve was a sellin stocks prior to the 9/11 terrist hits..

BTW Where is Waldo B...I hear his moma is upset with the Bushes and brits for blaming her boy for all this trouble..

not my boy she says..he don't go to strip joints like that Atta kid does...

Like they say at carliars.."ATTA BOY"
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:59 PM
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17. I don't think he's even human...
Deep in the shadowed darkness of his
undersea undisclosed lair, the hideous
OctoCheney watches and waits...

"Heh heh heh...humans are such easy prey!"

more scary stuff at
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:13 PM
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33. OctoCheney v. Cthulhu for President. Why vote for a lesser evil?


This site is dedicated to the great old one, who should return from his slumber to take over the U.S. government and make this country a whole hell of a lot better as the leader of our executive branch. Or destroy it and drive everyone insane, kill us all, or something really nasty! Remember, Cthulhu for President, why vote for the lesser of two evils?

From their Cthulhu Campaign 2000 thing:

How do I pronounce our President Elect's name?

There are basically three different pronunciations that I have heard, other pronunciations being slight modifications on these.

The most commonly heard pronunciation is that suggested by Chaosium, makers of the "Call of Cthulhu" roleplaying game. On the back of many of their gaming products is printed the phrase, "Can you say kuh-THOOL-hoo?". (I pronounce it kuh-THOO-lhoo.)

Another pronunciation is that used by several Lovecraftian scholars. This form is based on Lovecraft's revision tales where Cthulhu is often referred to as "Clooloo" or "Clulu". Unfortunately, this form does not have a sound representing the "th" combination.

Lastly there is a compromise between these two. The "h" sounds are aspirated, thus the "th" is not as in "them" or "thin", but two separate sounds. The first four letters of the word are run together in something like a sneezing sound, "K't'hoo-lhoo".

According to H. P. Lovecraft:

"The actual sound - as nearly as human organs could imitate it or human letters record it - may be taken as something like Khlul'-hloo, with the first syllable pronounced gutturally and very thickly."

"The best approximation one can make is to grunt, bark, or cough the imperfectly formed syllables Cluh-Luh with the tip of the tongue firmly affixed to the roof of the mouth. That is, if one is a human being. Directions for other entities are naturally different."

From these quotes (taken from Lovecraft's letters), one might conclude that the second pronunciation mentioned above is the most correct of the three.

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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:39 PM
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34. Cool... but the real question is, which one's the lesser?
And in a similar vein:

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:01 PM
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53. Well. In the world today, one name DOES stand for "Lesser."

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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 12:30 AM
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65. Octafish, you da man!
However, your pic didn't show up on this one, leaving me reeling in confusion as to the possible meaning inherent...
Repost? Cuz I really am curious about this 'lesser" thing...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:52 AM
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66. The lesser image disappeared for me too. Here 'tis from another source:
The face of "lesser.

Report: President Bush Has Lowest IQ of all Presidents of past 50 Years

If late night TV comedy is an indicator, then there has never been as widespread a perception that a president is not intellectually qualified for the position he holds as there is with President GW Bush.

In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania detailed its findings of a four month study of the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the Lovenstein Institute has published it's research to the education community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others.

According to statements in the report, there have been twelve presidents over the past 50 years, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush who were all rated based on scholarly achievements, writings that they alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking.

The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)

The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest IQ, at 155.

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:06 AM
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18. Love MotherJones! They tell it like it is.
Snipped from Mother Jones:

After Bill Clinton's election cost Cheney his government job, he wound up in 1995 as CEO of Halliburton Company, the Dallas-based oil services giant -- which just happens to own Brown & Root Services. Since then, Cheney has collected more than $10 million in salary and stock payments from the company. In addition, he is currently the company's largest individual shareholder, holding stock and options worth another $40 million. Those holdings have undoubtedly been made more valuable by the ever-more lucrative contracts BRS continues to score with the Pentagon.

Jeez. You should read the rest with regards to military $$!

Attention FReepers: Wake the hell-up before it's too late for all of us!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:13 PM
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23. If you liked that, you're gonna love this: 'The Curse of Dick Cheney'
I heart MotherJones, too. Funny how such a small publication does such a great job of covering corruption in high office. Where are The New York Times, The Washington Post, ABCNNBCBSFoxNoiseNutwork and the rest of Corporate McPravda? Puffing up the BFEE, of course. I mean, curses.

Wherever he is, he destroys!

The Curse of Dick Cheney

The veep's career has been marred by one disaster after another


Should George W. Bush win this election, it will give him the distinction of being the first occupant of the White House to have survived naming Dick Cheney to a post in his administration. The Cheney jinx first manifested itself at the presidential level back in 1969, when Richard Nixon appointed him to his first job in the executive branch. It surfaced again in 1975, when Gerald Ford made Cheney his chief of staff and then -- with Cheney's help -- lost the 1976 election. George H.W. Bush, having named Cheney secretary of defense, was defeated for re-election in 1992. The ever-canny Ronald Reagan was the only Republican president since Eisenhower who managed to serve two full terms. He is also the only one not to have appointed Dick Cheney to office.

This pattern of misplaced confidence in Cheney, followed by disastrous results, runs throughout his life -- from his days as a dropout at Yale to the geopolitical chaos he has helped create in Baghdad. Once you get to know his history, the cycle becomes clear: First, Cheney impresses someone rich or powerful, who causes unearned wealth and power to be conferred on him. Then, when things go wrong, he blames others and moves on to a new situation even more advantageous to himself.

"Cheney's manner and authority of voice far outstrip his true abilities," says Chas Freeman, who served under Bush's father as ambassador to Saudi Arabia. "It was clear from the start that Bush required adult supervision -- but it turns out Cheney has even worse instincts. He does not understand that when you act recklessly, your mistakes will come back and bite you on the ass."

Cheney's record of mistakes begins in 1959, when Tom Stroock, a Republican politician-businessman in Casper, Wyoming, got Cheney, then a senior at Natrona County High School, a scholarship to Yale. "Dick was the all-American boy, in the top ten percent of his class," Stroock says. "He seemed a natural." But instead of triumphing, Cheney failed. "He spent his time partying with guys who loved football but weren't varsity quality," recalls Stephen Billings, an Episcopalian minister who roomed with him during Cheney's freshman (and only full) year at Yale. "His idea was, you didn't need to master the material," says his other roommate, Jacob Plotkin. "He passed one psych course without attending class or studying, and he was proud of that. But there are some things you can't bluff, and Dick reached a point where you couldn't recover."

Cheney might have been flunking in the classroom, but he excelled at making connections. "Dick always had this very calm way of talking," recalls Plotkin, now a retired math professor at Michigan State University. "His thoughtful manner impressed people." Forty years before the son of a U.S. president picked Cheney to be his running mate, the son of a Massachusetts governor picked him to be his sophomore-year roommate. Mark Furcolo, whose father, Foster, had been elected governor as a Democrat, invited Cheney to Cape Cod for a visit. "Dick came back enraptured," Plotkin says. "He was fascinated by the official state cars and planes. The trappings of it got him."

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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:39 AM
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19. The real power behind the throne...
I posted this pic several times on these pages over the last coupla months, to almost deafening silence...

My work really sucks, doesn't it?... in fact, any time I post, it's almost a guaranteed thread-stopper...
Still, you gotta give me props for persistence...

more utterly worthless shit at
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:07 PM
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22. Don't worry. Be sappy. Remember the veepbate?
You did that? Outstanding! Plus H.P. touchingly appropriate.

BTW: Better that a thread be stopped than the criminality of Sneer, Smirk and the rest of the BFEE posse go unchallenged.

Here's something I, em, ripped off -- a monkey grinder Wicked Witch sort of analogy...

On the question of Cheney and the media pass he's given, Robert Parry weighed in with:

Covering for Cheney


At the vice presidential debate, Cheney depicted himself as a self-made multi-millionaire from his years as chairman of Halliburton Co. As for his success in the private sector, Cheney told Democratic nominee Joe Lieberman that the government had absolutely nothing to do with it.

After years of hyper-critical coverage of Al Gore for supposedly puffing up his resum, one might have expected the major media to jump all over this patently false statement. But the big newspapers and the major television networks offered no challenge to Cheneys comment.

Bloomberg News, a business wire, was one of the few outlets that took note of the variance between Cheneys assessment and the facts. Cheneys reply left out how closely Dallas-based Halliburtons fortunes are linked to the U.S. government, Bloomberg News said.


The article also cited internal Ex-Im Bank e-mails showing that Cheney personally lobbied bank chairman James Harmon for a $500 million loan guarantee for Russias OAO Tyumen Oil Co. The Ex-Im loan guarantee, approved in March, helped finance Halliburtons contract with Tyumen.

In further contradiction of Cheneys self-made-man claim, the article quoted from a speech that Cheney gave to the Ex-Im Bank in 1997. I see that we have in recent years been involved in projects in the following (countries) supported, in part, through Ex-Im activities: Algeria, Angola, Colombia, the Philippines, Russia, the Czech Republic, Thailand, China, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Kuwait, India, Kenya, the Congo, Brazil, Argentina, Trinidad and Tobago, Venezuela, Indonesia, Malaysia and Mexico, Cheney said.


Of course, this begs the question why the Democratic chum Joementum didn't peg the unctuous turd with a pithy rejoinder. If it was me, I'd ask how was it that Cheney's resume got moved to the top of the pile of a humongous military-government contractor? Luck?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 03:53 PM
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29. There's one more behind it
Not to disqualify Cheney in any way

"Am I the evil genius in the corner that nobody ever sees come out of his hole?"

- Dick Cheney, 1/19/2004 ( )

Yes, you are!

The real power behind the throne...

Indeed layer upon layer upon layer. Let's dig deeper

Who is Scooter Libby?
The Guy Behind the Guy Behind the Guy
by John Lyman
July 8, 2004

When historians finally lift the curtain on the Bush administration, they will discover that Irv Lewis "Scooter" Libby was one of the most important men pulling the levers. Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, has been center stage for every one of the administration's national security scandals the Iraq intelligence debacle, secret meetings about Halliburton contracts in Iraq, and the leaking of a CIA's agent's identity to the press and doubtless others we have not heard of yet.

Such a role is not unusual for Libby, who has more titles in the Bush White House than can fit on a business card. Essentially Libby is Dick Cheney's Dick Cheney an odd combination of H.R Haldeman and Harry Hopkins, seemingly managing every detail of the vice president's professional life.
For the past three years, that has meant scooting from scandal to scandal.

It was Libby along with Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith and a handful of other top aides at the Pentagon and White House who convinced the President that we should go to war in Iraq. It was Libby who pushed Cheney to publicly argue that Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda and 9/11.


It was there that he wrote a sweeping new Defense Planning Guidance document that attempted to reorient U.S. global military policy. The paper highly praised by neocons at the time called for the United States to build up its military capabilities to the point where no other country could ever rival them. Cheney, who was then Secretary of Defense, liked the document so much that he ordered parts of the usually secret plan declassified and made them public. The Planning Guidance document went a long way toward endearing Libby to Cheney.


Much more at the link

Defense Planning Guidance document

The 46-page classified document circulated for several weeks at senior levels in the Pentagon. But controversy erupted after it was leaked to The New York Times and The Washington Post and the White House ordered then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney to rewrite it.

Three primary points from the draft:

The number one objective of U.S. post-Cold War political and military strategy should be preventing the emergence of a rival superpower.

Another major U.S. objective should be to safeguard U.S. interests and promote American values.

If necessary, the United States must be prepared to take unilateral action.

Full document can be read at:

This part is very strange is well. Why does Halliburton have a Class-A IP block assigned. Most major ISPs get less assignment. Is Halliburton planning to become the size of the middle east?

034/8 Mar 93 Halliburton Company ( )
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Project_Willow Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:13 AM
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20. Thank you Octofish!
For posting those articles!

Abu Ghraib was not an aberration...

added for context...

"It is now clear that we are facing an implacable enemy whose avowed objective is world domination....There are no rules in such a game. Hitherto accepted norms of human conduct do not apply." Allen Dulles, "Brain Warfare, Russia's Secret Weapon." US News and World Report, May 8, 1953, p.58.

Do I need to cite Dulles's ties to BFEE?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 03:21 PM
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24. Creepier people than Dulles are hard to find.
Then again, if you know where to look...

Dick: The Man Who is President (Dick Cheney) by John Nichols

A scathing and irreverent portrait of the man who directs the government, by The Nation 's Washington correspondent. When a lone gunman started shooting outside the White House on a weekday morning two years ago, Secret Service agents rushed to secure the leaders of the free world. They found Dick Cheney in his office talking on a speakerphone, reviewing material on a computer screen, and directing aides who were gathered around his desk. President Bush? He was in the gym.

Dick Cheney, says John Nichols, runs the country. He sets energy policy. He guided the nation into war with Iraq, and, working closely with Karl Rove, he oversees the political infrastructure that allows corporate interests and the religious right to control lawmaking.

Dick: The Man Who is President draws on groundbreaking reporting including exclusive interviews with Cheney himself, as well as with Nelson Mandela, Gore Vidal, members of Congress, and others who have tangled with Cheney. Timed for the fall election campaign, the book will open debate on a key, unasked question: Do Americans really want Dick Cheney running their country?


Regarding Dulles and the BFEE: Oh, yeah. MIT -- Most Important Topic.

How Nixon Actually Got Into Power

By Mae Brussell


His brother, Allen Dulles, headed our spy agency formerly known as the OSS. As long as John Foster Dulles was Secretary of State, Allen Dulles had no need to "chafe under political control." Both brothers "placed supreme confidence in their personal judgments." They were completely trusted and were able to act at will and "shielded from any unpleasant consequences."(11)

Adolph Hitler declared war in 1941. By 1942 Allen Dulles was moved to Switzerland for the purpose of rounding up and importing to the United States, German "specialists." Two years before the war ended, or its fate was decided, the United States was making arrangements for Nazi scientists, arms experts to come to our democracy (for which the boys were fighting and dying at that moment).(12)

From 1945 until 1952 the U.S. military brought over 642 alien "specialists" and their families from nazi Germany. They were known collectively by the code name "paperclip." German missile and rocket experts, munition makers, war experts were carefully selected and located into aerospace programs, war industries, armament factories, defense and warfare manufacturing.(13)

Violent anti-communist fears by the military and munition makers justified the exchange for a once democratic nation into the fascist state we have today. Members of the nazi party now hold key positions in our universities, factories, aircraft and aerospace programs.(14) When the nazi empire collapsed in 1945, ex-nazi General Reinhard Gehlen joined forces with our OSS. Gehlen was placed in charge of wartime intelligence for Foreign Armies East. "It was not long before Gehlen was back in business, this time for the United States. Gehlen named his price and terms."(15) A series of meetings was arranged at the Pentagon with nazi Gehlen, Allen Dulles, J. Edgar Hoover and others.(16) The Gehlen organization combined forces and agents with the OSS, which was soon to become known as the CIA. Experts in clandestine and illegal control of Germany through political assassinations and reversal of judicial processes became the new teachers for Allen Dulles and Richard Helms. They helped form the new CIA in 1947, based upon clandestine activities in nazi Germany.(17)


The method of maintaining billion dollar war machines and related armament and aircraft factories requires controlling people, political leaders, and otherwise legal governmental agencies. The Communist scare, hot war and cold war propaganda, would continue to manipulate the majority of the people. This scare was the brainchild of the Fascist strategist.

Enter Richard Milhous Nixon.


Then there's another thing I like to talk about a lot...

That's Prescott Bush fixing things for his protege, Sen. Tricky Dick Nixon. In the background, isn't that Robert Byrd playing a part in the club act?

Most importantly: A hearty welcome to DU, Project_Willow! Much appreciate your post.

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:16 PM
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Evil dickie and opium poppy are runnin the show {with their international elite corporat pals} and smirki chemperor is either on medss legal or illegal...



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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:15 PM
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43. real IDs will be internal checkpoints.."zeig heil"
one bad bush apple riuned the nation..Ole prescott bush and sam bush and georg herbert walker must be agrinning..

"Z" s fought long and hard for this moment in US History...
coup d'etat foloowed by coup ..from JFK to BK to MLK to 11/00 to 9/11 to 11/02/04 to today Fascism is the winner.

the US is basically an occupied nation..

Did ya say fish with those chips??

and many so called amerikans will love their chip...I am in huge trouble

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem rose
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that you love me baby
Everybody knows that you really do
Everybody knows that you've been faithful
Ah give or take a night or two
Everybody knows you've been discreet
But there were so many people you just had to meet
Without your clothes
And everybody knows

Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

And everybody knows that it's now or never
Everybody knows that it's me or you
And everybody knows that you live forever
Ah when you've done a line or two
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
For your ribbons and bows
And everybody knows

And everybody knows that the Plague is coming
Everybody knows that it's moving fast
Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
Are just a shining artifact of the past
Everybody knows the scene is dead
But there's gonna be a meter on your bed
That will disclose
What everybody knows

And everybody knows that you're in trouble
Everybody knows what you've been through
From the bloody cross on top of Calvary
To the beach of Malibu
Everybody knows it's coming apart
Take one last look at this Sacred Heart
Before it blows
And everybody knows

Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Oh everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows
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Project_Willow Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:18 PM
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44. A link...
for possible skeptics? or hopefully, this isn't news on DU!

The CIA and Nazi War Criminals

National Security Archive Posts Secret CIA History
Released Under Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act

Nice photos of the Dicks!

Thank you for the welcome :-)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:53 AM
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21. Cheney covered up Pakistan nuke program. That's TREASON.
A CIA analyst by the name of Richard M. Barlow blew the whistle upon discovering the Pentagon and CIA were allowing, if not enabling, Pakistan to develop their atomic bomb.

It was the early 1990's, and the agencies then worked to hide evidence of their involvment from Congress a DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS.

The big stooge in all that was one Secretary of Defense Dick "BFEE" Cheney. Sneers boss was (and probably still is) one George Herbert "Poppy Doc" Walker Bush.

When you consider the amounts of money and political power involved, Cheney HAD to do all he could to destroy the reputation and psyche of this particularly excellent CIA analyst, described as brilliant by one CIA Inspector General.

So. Its easy to see why Cheney, ex-DCI Bill Gates (U Texas turd), and Poppy dont want this brought up NOW. Still, those interested in some details, and who can still think for themselves, might want to check out:


What to do when an agency blower reports crime while using classified data as...


To avoid oversight criticism for "lax security", the CIA asked the Justice Department, on 19 July, to investigate the possible disclosure of classified information in June when former Agency officials helped the media do a program on secret covert operations against Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq. During the same period, Congressional oversight resulted in the Agency and Pentagon being criticized for the 1993 treatment of a whistle-blower analyst, Richard M. Barlow, 42, who thought Congress should be warned that it been given misleading testimony concerning the possible Pakistani possession of nuclear weapons.

On the Nuclear Edge

by Seymour M. Hersh
The New Yorker , March 29, 1993

An obvious explanation for the high-level quiet revolves around the fact, haunting to some in the intelligence community, that the Reagan Administration had dramatically aided Pakistan in its pursuit of the bomb. President Reagan and his national-security aides saw the generals who ran Pakistan as loyal allies in the American proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan: driving the Russians out of Afghanistan was considered far more important than nagging Pakistan about its building of bombs. The Reagan Administration did more than forgo nagging, however; it looked the other way throughout the mid-nineteen-eighties as Pakistan assembled its nuclear arsenal with the aid of many millions of dollars worth of restricted, high-tech materials bought inside the United States. Such purchases have always been illegal, but Congress made breaking the law more costly in 1985, when it passed the Solarz Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act (the amendment was proposed by former Representative Stephen J. Solarz, Democrat of New York), providing for the cutoff of all military and economic aid to purportedly non-nuclear nations that illegally export or attempt to export nuclear-related materials from the United States.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 03:29 PM
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26. Like 9-11, nuclear proliferation is VERY good for MI-Complex
More war means war money. The average freeper, I bet, has no idea of how much is spent each year on the Pentagon or financing the national debt. Hint for morans: about 400 billion each. Gee. Those are two of the nation's real "welfare queens."

And how does the Pentagon use the money the US Government borrows? Since America's presstitutes won't tell us, let's ask ScoopNZ about what Richard M. Barlow had to say regarding Sneer's role in nuclear treason:

VP Cheney Helped Cover-Up Pakistani Nuclear Proliferation In '89 So US Could Sell Country Fighter Jets

by Jason Leopold
Scoop News
March 8, 2004


When news of Pakistan's clandestine program involving its top nuclear scientist selling rogue nations, such as Iran and North Korea, blueprints for building an atomic bomb was uncovered last month, the world's leaders waited, with baited breath, to see what type of punishment President Bush would bestow upon Pakistan's President Pervez Musharaff.

Bush has, after all, spent his entire term in office talking tough about countries and dictators that conceal weapons of mass destruction and eventougher on individuals who supply rogue nations and terrorists with the means to build WMDs. For all intents and purposes, Pakistan and Musharraf fit that description.

Remember, Bush accused Iraq of harboring a cache of WMDs, which was the primary reason the United States launched a preemptive strike there a year ago, and also claimed that Iraq may have given its WMDs to al-Qaeda terrorists and/or Syria, weapons that, Bush said, could be used to attack the U.S.

Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and top members of the administration reacted with shock when they found out that Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistan's top nuclear scientist, spent the past 15 years selling outlaw nations nuclear technology and equipment. So it was sort of a surprise when Bush, upon finding out about Khan's proliferation of nuclear technology, let Pakistan off with a slap on the wrist. But it was all an act. In fact, it was actually a cover-up designed to shield Cheney because he knew about the proliferation for more than a decade and did nothing to stop it.

Like the terrorist attacks on 9-11, the Bush administration had mountains of evidence on Pakistan's sales of nuclear technology and equipment to nations vilified by the U.S.--nations that are considered much more of a threat than Iraq--but turned a blind eye to the threat and allowed it to happen.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 03:25 PM
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25. Read my signature on why Cheney outed Valerie Plame.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 03:36 PM
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27. robertpaulsen
Edited on Tue May-10-05 03:38 PM by seemslikeadream
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 03:41 PM
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28. Nicely put, robertpaulsen! The Pakistani bomb was funded by BCCI
Kerry tried to get BCCI shut down, but Poppy Bush's "Justice" Department wanted none of it, apparently to keep one of the favorite banks of Manuel Noriega, Khalid bin Mahfouz, James R Bath, Ollie North, Abu Nidhal, the CIA, the KGB, Manny Noriega and a whole lot more of the earth's scuzziest volk.

Wish more people knew about Valerie Plame and this:


The Bush Family Saga


BCCI (Bank of Credit & Commerce)

By William Bowles
05/11/03: (Information Clearing House)

"BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the '80s in what has been called the "largest bank fraud in world financial history" by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau." -- Wayne Madsen

The BCCI-Bush connection is, it could be argued an accidental one, but its highly unlikely even if it is difficult to track, But the seeds are all there, including GW Snrs CIA connection (as head of it) in the 1970s and the links to BCCI (see below) as well as his long time association with James R. Bath an investor in Arbusto. Bath, was a Houston businessman and old friend was also an investor in BCCI. Essentially, BCCI was a convenient channel for moving money through to fund the various illegal enterprises being undertaken at the time including, Iran-Contra, the Iranian arms sales, CIA money laundering operations, connections to powerful Middle Eastern businessmen, the Vatican and its right-wing connections through BNL.

Perhaps this extract from "Texas Connections" ( gives you an idea of the reach:

" Sheikh Abdullah Bahksh of Saudi Arabia, a 16% shareholder in Harken Energy at the time, was represented by a Palestinian-born Chicago investor named Talat Othman, who served with George W. Bush on the board of Harken Energy. Othman made at least three separate visits to the White House to discuss Middle East affairs with then President George Bush. At about the same time, and just prior to the Gulf War, Harken Energy, with no previous international or offshore drilling experience, was awarded a 35-year petroleum exploration contract with the emirate of Bahrain.

Sheikh Bahksh emerged as a co-investor in the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI), a criminal enterprise since dissolved, that existed primarily as a mechanism for obtaining political influence using Middle Eastern oil money. Bahrain's prime minister, Sheik Khalifah bin-Sulman al-Khalifah, was a major investor in BCCI's parent company, BCCI Holdings, of Luxembourg. Through its commodities affiliate, Capcom, BCCI was used as a money laundering service by drug traffickers, arms dealers, etc. BCCI's front man in the U.S., and the person chiefly responsible for its takeover of First American Bank in the U.S., was Kamal Adham. Adham is referred to in the Kerry Committee report on BCCI as having been "the CIA's principal liaison for the entire Middle East from the mid-1960's through 1979." He was also the head of intelligence for Saudi Arabia during the time George Bush Sr. was Director of the CIA."

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:09 PM
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30. kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:07 PM
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32. Thanks, oasis! Guess who got a $72M bonus for "work" done in Iraq?
God bless America. Is it fleeced, yet?

Halliburton gets $72 million bonus for work in Iraq

By Sue Pleming
May 10, 2:53 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Army said on Tuesday it had awarded $72 million in bonuses to Halliburton Co. for logistics work in Iraq but had not decided whether to give the Texas company bonuses for disputed dining services to troops.

Army Field Support Command in Rock Island, Illinois, said in a statement it had given Halliburton unit Kellogg Brown & Root ratings from "excellent" to "very good" for six task orders for work supporting U.S. troops in Iraq.

The Army said its Award Fee Board in Iraq had met in March and had agreed to pay KBR bonuses for work it did in support of U.S. forces there.

But it said dining facility costs questioned by auditors from the Defense Contract Audit Agency had not yet been considered by the military's Award Fee Board.


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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:28 PM
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68. LOVE this image...
and the monkey one upthread (how can ya NOT love those clever lil' monkeys, America?)...
You do nice work!
That IQ piece was really interesting too... not surprisingly, Clinton tops the list!
Great stuff, Octafish! Keep 'em comin'...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:43 PM
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35. kick... know your BFEE
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 08:46 PM
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39. Vielen dank, mein Herr.

For those interested in passing around a few related links:

Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

Know your BFEE: James R Bath Bush bin Laden Link

Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

This ones not labeled Know Your BFEE, but its meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

BTW: Thanks for the kick, Swamp Rat. Like you, I post this stuff in the hope it gets passed around to people who give a damn. And the credit isn't mine -- it belongs to a whole buncha DUers'.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:10 PM
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41. Willkommen
We all do our part in our own, small way. :)

Know your BFEE:
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:24 PM
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Many here have posted such good stuff...I am grateful for this level of passion and wisdom..

watching America die..

Refuse to be chipped...

"as long as I am dictator""

"why should I trouble my beautiful mind"

9/11 let the war in Afi and Iraq begin and legitimized a stolen election..."and now its time for shock theater"..the New US of A.
.a police state where privlege and wealth are god..its been their plan for the longest time...

the Democrats have proven again to be half of this fascism..
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:20 PM
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56. They'll NEVER 'chip' me alive!
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:27 PM
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57. God told Moses for Christ sake the burning bush..
He was trying to say be careful of the ambush..
then He yelled bushwhacked BUT Moses threw the tablets at the
folks who were hiding in the bushes..its where the amerikens get the saying..don't beat around the bush..
{my version of the Bible}

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:08 PM
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60. Where is that missing trillion that the neo-cons mismanaged??
neo-cons=traitors=mossad agents=trouble for freedom lovers

spy ring not even in MM But wadda ya expect??

now I am more curious..Where is Waldo bin lidan and where is the pentagon missing trillion??
"Since then, any and all mention of the Israeli spy ring and phone tapping scandal has resulted in a barrage of shrill screams of "hate" and "anti-Semite", two well worn and frankly over used devices to try to silence discussion on any topic unfavorable to the nation which owns the spy ring in question.
The story of the uncovering of the largest spy ring ever discovered inside the United States should be the story of the century, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That this spy ring helped drug smugglers evade investigators should be a major scandal, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That the spy ring includes companies able to track and tap into any phone in America, including the White House, should be a cause celebre', if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people.
"Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career suicide."
-- Carl Cameron, as quoted in The Spies Who Came In From The Art Sale"

"Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference
On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." 1

Such a disclosure normally would have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried. To the trillions already missing from the coffers, an obedient Congress terrorized by anthrax attacks would add billions more in appropriations to fight the "War on Terror."

The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. 2 3 Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor." "
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 12:12 AM
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64. I bet dey got all kinds of new electronic doodads...
Maybe EMP/laserbeam gadgets... doin' some expeeramintin' on live targets in eyerak... gettin' ready for da bigger fish to fry. :tinfoilhat: ? :D ... "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran... bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran... bomb Iraaan!" ;)

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:17 PM
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 12:03 AM
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63. LOL!
:D Another good one! :tinfoilhat: :D

As soon as exams are over I may have time to make some new pics... :)

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:14 AM
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70. Now THAT'S Must-See TV!

What tin hat? This is steel.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:30 PM
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48. Mark Lombardi's "Social Networks" perhaps...
Another homerun, Swampsy! You've created a symphony of treason with that painting. May it one day soon be used to illustrate the criminality of an indicted class of supercriminal.

I don't care if I get fired: That's my new work wallpaper, taking the place of a Tanguy. Sneer, Smirk, TIA Chertoff, Long Dong Clarence and Rev. Badmoon look good -- No. They ALL look bad -- as in bad bad.

Here's the wallpaper I had on for months:

george w. bush, harken energy, and jackson stevens
c.1979-90, 5th version, 1999
graphite on paper
20 x 44 inches

george w. bush, harken energy, and jackson stevens
c.1979-90, 5th version,

One brave fellow. A true patriot. A good man.

Mark Lombardi: Global (Conspiracy) Networks

Mapping criminal corporate-government connections is a dangerous occupation. Exposing the players and their front companies is even more hazardous. These are the subjects of Mark Lombardi's art -- the hidden global realities of money and power. His artwork, literally as well as figuratively, connects the dots of international high-level white-collar crime networks.

Lombardi's drawings are mandalas of conspiracy, flow charts of shady deals and shaky agents, and org charts of world-class con men, revealing the genealogy of wickedness in the highest places of corporate and government power.

"Mark Lombardi: Global Networks" is a traveling exhibition of 25 drawings, some as large as 4' x 12, organized by New York-based Independent Curators International (ICI) and curated by Robert Hobbs of Virginia Commonwealth University. In graphic terms, the drawings document the major financial and political frauds of the late 20th century. They are flow charts of illicit money and power, solid and dotted lines and curves as well as broken arrows denoting the flows of illicit financial operations and covert revenues.


One of the drawings called "George W. Bush, Harken Energy and Jackson Stephens, ca 1979-90" (1999) shows the connections of James Bath, a former CIA spook and business broker, front man for Saudi money who connected the Bush Family and Bin Laden Family (of the Osama bin Laden/ 9-11 legend) in shady deals in Texas and around the world.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:28 PM
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58. AWESOME wallpaper!
Edited on Tue May-10-05 10:30 PM by Swamp Rat
I guess you've seen these:

Oh, and this one:
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:53 PM
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36. And hey, guess what?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:05 PM
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40. Shadow Government...Now where have we heard that term before?
Oh yeah! That's who was to take over running the United States government after, oops, I mean should all the Democrats and such get incapacitated in a communist, er, terrorist sneak attack. Yeah. That's it.

Remember when Daschle said the Democrats were never informed about Continuity Of Government plans. Is it any wonder, why?

Secret Government 60 Feet Under

New York Times by Maureen Dowd March 4, 2002

WASHINGTON In a banner headline on Friday, The Washington Post blared: "Shadow Government Is at Work in Secret." The article said President Bush had assembled a cadre of officials to operate under the radar, out of the sunlight.

This is news?

The president did that on Jan. 20, 2001.

But it turns out that after Sept. 11, wanting to make sure that everything wouldn't collapse if there was a nuclear attack on Washington, he did it again. He formed a secret government within a secret government.

A shadow of a shadow.

It suits this administration to a T- ball, reflecting its twin obsessions with secrecy and self-perpetuation. The president realized that Dick Cheney couldn't govern all by himself after an Armageddon, so he set up a pre-post-apocalyptic staff, sending about 100 midlevel officials to two subterranean locations outside the capital.


The hidden administration is known as Continuity of Government, or C.O.G., while the one at 1600 Pennsylvania is known as C.O.D., or Continuity of Dynasty, a project designed to keep the Bushes in the White House until 2008 and beyond.


I keep reading good things about Duke University! Thanks a million Duke and dxstone! THAT Secret Government has been buying the courts lock stock and barrel since Nixon was a puppet.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 08:03 PM
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37. I am so glad you keep on outing this information!!!!
Learning occurs through repeated exposure.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:14 PM
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42. Cheney must be the "brains" of the outfit...
...If one calls that "thinking."

At the risk of repeating myself: The BFEE is populated by a class of supercriminal the likes of which Ian Fleming dared not dream. These crooks have taken over the Government of the United States. Not even the fascists of World War II, nor the commies of the Cold War, did that.

"The criminal mind must always
be superior, Mr. Bond."

Thanks, Just Me! The reason is to spread the TRUTH about these gangsters. We need to change the FUTURE. And fast.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:35 PM
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49. My optimism is real short..but my spirit is strong..

The 'Z"s worked hard..give those devils their due....

I hear of american death camps at some of the more extreme web site's which were intended for terrorist or illegals..

Operation Paperclip and the wall st firms associated with prescott bush were insrumental in destroying this country..the neo-cons may have jumped on the "Z" bandwagon in more recent yrs.

Prescott bush ordered by Congress to stop dealing with fritzie tyulsen in 1942 BUT americans don't care or say Joe kennedy sr. supported hitler too...

Can't blame too many kennedys cuz they often end up dead..
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 08:36 PM
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Choke these ugly realities down with your protein bars and power shakes, and then do your hired duty: get the latest on the Michael Jackson trial to the American people. Fail utterly in your basic human responsibility, and your professional responsibilities. Sadly, it is what we have come to expect of you.

PS - the plug ugly stink trap of fascism that has been set will ultimately ensnare you, tool. You best remember that.

Overcome lies with truth. Plain, simple, unvarnished, and unspun.

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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:23 PM
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46. You said it, Hawk!
I HATE the news-assholes... I just hate 'em...
(cuz I KNOW that really gets 'em where they live!)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:44 PM
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51. Hate is not the pathway I choose
Edited on Tue May-10-05 09:48 PM by SpiralHawk
Nor, in my observation, is it the pathway most DUers choose. I like to call what I see -- the lies, the cheating, the covering up and all the rest that the Republicans are so shamelessly doing, while destroying the Earth. But I do not hate them for that. I revile what they are doing -- not the people. I regard the human soul as sacrosanct, and try to maintain respect for that best I can. Lord knows I fail often as not.

I have observed that over the last year or so that the Republicans have promulgated a meme that the Dems and liberals and all are totally filled with HATE. But that is just another Republican propaganda lie. The left is not predominantly hateful -- it is just being labled so by BushCo propaganda machine.

I am not trying to tell anyone what you ought to feel. If you are filled with hate, I reckon it's better to know that about yourself. But I also reckon you won't find a lot of other haters around DU -- angst, satire, hair pulling, finger-pointing and garment rending and all that shit, but not much hate. Thank heavens.
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 12:02 AM
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62. Well, ACTUALLY...
I think you're really splitting hairs here...
I THINK we see things pretty similarly, from everything you've said there... the fact that I may, from time to time, use a word (just a word, mind you) to express very simply and humorously, perhaps, all those more nuanced emotions and views you listed?... do you really think it indicative of my general mind-set?...

I mean, you don't REALLY think I hate their HAIR, do you?

"Filled with hate"?... that doesn't really sound like me at all... I've been called full of shit, full of myself, even "bursting with delicious creamy filling" by some of my more lovable critics...
Am I filled with revulsion at the sheer stupidity of it all? Despair? Utter hopelessness (at times)? Any of these would be closer to the mark...
I was just using that word in its more general meaning (I HATE homework!), rather than the more specific (hate-speech, hate-crimes) you seem to be referencing...
It is itself a rather nuanced word when you think about it; and as George Carlin is always quick to point out, context really is EVERYTHING...

ps: While I totally agree with your views on the human soul as sacrosanct (hate the sin, not the sinner and all that), don't you think it's rather presumptuous of you to credit these current Creatures in High Office as being possessed of "human" souls?
Cuz me, I'm not so sure...


Seriously now, let's not argue over trifles, huh? We have MONSTERS to fight!

more fanatical gnashing madness and horror,
all served up with candy sprinkles and a generous
dollop of happy hope for mankind's continued future, at
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:44 PM
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50. Corp McPravda missed this one, too: Cheney laundered bribe money.


The GOP presidential ticket may be fending off questions from reporters concerning a Swiss investigation linking George W. Bush and Dick Cheny to big oil's bribes and pay-offs to foreign interests.

by Martin Mann, August 14, 2000

Gov. George W. Bush and Richard Cheny, the Republican presidential and vice presidential candidates, known in Washington as the "oil ticket" for their intimate connections to the petroleum industry, may face worse corruption scandals in coming months than the lewd, mendacious and cash-hungry Clinton administration ever did. The Spotlight has learned from European and U.S. investigative sources.

As Cheney, a millionaire petroleum executive who served as defense secretary in the administration of George Bus, the candidate's father, rose to accept the vice-presidential nomination from the cheering Republican convention in Philadelphia, Swiss prosecutors quietly moved to impound over $130 million in allegedly laundered funds deposited in Swiss banks.

According to preliminary findings of the Swiss inquiry, the frozen funds represent under-the-table payoffs slipped to the top government officials of Kazakhstan by giant U.S. petroleum companies seeking favored access to that oil-rich country, a former Soviet province that attained independence after the collapse of Communism.

Advised by Swiss authorities that the suspect accounts -- more than $85 million found hidden in private numbered accounts controlled by Kazakh President Nursultan A. Nazarbayev in a single Geneva bank, Banque Pictet -- may violate the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, federal authorities in New York launched an investigation of their own.

The U.S. probe quickly focused on James H. Giffen, head of the Mercator Corporation, known as an influential American financial advisor to Nazarbayev.

Last month, the Justice Department sent Swiss chief prosecutor Daniel Devaud a confidential memorandum naming Giffen and his public-relations company as targets of a formal federal criminal investigation.


Gee. No wonder Cheney doesn't like France. Many there still have integrity.

And speaking of Presstitutes, imagine how far we'd've gotten had the Fourth Branch gotten off its drunken duffs the past five years? Twenty years? Forty-one years?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:33 PM
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76. Cheney Treasure Trove: Buck Cheney -- Duck Master!
Snarky job, Morford does on Sneering Dick. Double-plus good.


The savvy outdoorsman inspires awe and admiration even with the tenderfoot!

From Mark Morford at the San Fransisco Chronicle -

Dick Cheney Kills Birds Dead

The manly veep has himself a lazy, "canned" pheasant slaughter, and we are so impressed

So then about a month ago the vice president of these beautiful and deeply confused United States, he of the struggling defibrillator and the shockingly nefarious wife and the gnarled calluses from working Dubya's puppet strings, he of the thin-lipped sneer that makes babies cry and women wince and foreign policies crumble like feta cheese in the freezer, well, Dick goes himself a-huntin'.

CONTINUED w/Treasure Trove of Dicky Links...
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:19 PM
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45. Section 802 (a) (5) of the Patriot Act
HERE is Section 802 (a) (5) of the PATRIOT Act, passed by Congress in October 2001.



(5) the term domestic terrorism means activities that

(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or ... "

An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland.

Adolf Hitler, proposing creation of the Gestapo for "homeland security" in Nazi Germany.

Homeland security is not a temporary measure for the current crisis, but will become permanent in American life. I think of it as the normalcy.

Dick Cheney on 10/25/01.

My view is that the National Guard is going to play, has played and will continue to play squarely in every mission of our armed forces, from peace keeping and peace making to, God forbid, global war.

General Ralph G. Eberhardt, appointed chief of the new Northern Command for the U.S. and Mexico after the "9/11 " attacks struck while he was head of NORAD, on 9/7/02.

The police do not serve me.

The police do not serve you.

They are not there to serve and protect.

They are not there to uphold law and order.

The police are not agents of the people.

They are agents of power.

We live in country of 1984, Fahrenheit 451, etc...


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:55 PM
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52. We DO live in the country of 1984, Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World Order..
... which Babs Barker coined way back when, 92?

You're right on regarding authority, chlamor. This post and that one you had with the great Capitalism poster from early in the 20th century.

From what I understand, anyone who opposes the little turd from Crawford can be labeled an enemy combatant, a terrorist, an un-citizen and exiled to some squalid hell hole without trial, ruling, attorney or one phone call.

You're also spot about the world we live in. It wasn't supposed to be like this. And it's not just the absence of flying cars...

I heard Ray Bradbury say the SF writer's job was to prevent the future from happening. By putting the possible dystopian scenarios into words, that would keep the world from becoming that (flawed) vision. It's like when Plato talked about the Ideal: The real world is never the ideal world. It can't be. Well, when Bradbury said it, I don't think he believed enough evil men would band together to hijack the U.S. Government -- and buy enough scientists and theologians to teach them how -- the very thoughts that make up the best future -- The Truth and Belief.

We need to get them back, pronto. I want my kids and everybody's kids to live in a better world than this one.

Regarding what we can do about it: Psycho Bush! DU's got your number! Our weapon is the truth.

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:17 PM
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55. The Truth is Good
but the power in it as a weapon-of that I am not fully convinced. There is no freedom without LAND and so the work in the community gardens is never complete.

Of course it is important to keep spreading the word and leafletting, as I do on a DAILY basis but only large scale mass direct action and disobedience will stop the US Military from their mad ways.

Peace to you and yours-I Bookmark most every thread you put out there and I use those bookmarks sparingly.

For the Children

The rising hills, the slopes
of statistics
lie before us
the steep climb
of everything, going up,
up, as we all
go down.

In the next century
or the one beyond that,
they say
are valleys, pastures,
we can meet there in peace
if we make it.

To climb those coming crests
one word to you, to
you and your children:

stay together
learn the flowers
go light

Gary Snyder (I Believe)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:08 AM
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69. Made my day. Thank you chlamor.
Here's something that keeps me going, especially on the more divisive days:

The Father and His Sons

A Father had a family of sons who were perpetually quarreling among themselves. When he failed to heal their disputes by his exhortations, he determined to give them a practical illustration of the evils of disunion; and for this purpose he one day told them to bring him a bundle of sticks. When they had done so, he placed the bundle into the hands of each of them in succession, and ordered them to break it in pieces. They tried with all their strength, and were not able to do it. He next opened the bundle, took the sticks separately, one by one, and again put them into his sons' hands, upon which they broke them easily. He then addressed them in these words: "My sons, if you are of one mind, and unite to assist each other, you will be as this faggot, uninjured by all the attempts of your enemies; but if you are divided among yourselves, you will be broken as easily as these sticks." The breach of unity puts the world, and all that's in it, into a state of war, and turns every man's hand against his brother; but so long as the band holds, it is the strength of all the several parts of it gatherd into one.

Moral: In Unity Is Strength.

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 11:02 AM
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:25 AM
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71. Cheney's court victory a loss for American public
A paper from a state as red as red can be hit the nail on the head...

Cheney's court victory a loss for American public

The Decatur (Alabama) Daily

Vice President Dick Cheney should feel ashamed, not victorious, about his most recent legal victory.

A federal appellate court Tuesday ruled that Mr. Cheney had no legal obligation to disclose documents detailing White House contacts with lobbyists and corporate executives.

Mr. Cheney met with energy mavens in several sessions during 2001. After receiving the business input and without seeking input from environmental groups Mr. Cheney issued a report that favored increased drilling in public lands, and other industry-friendly proposals.

Most of those proposals are at the core of legislation now under congressional review.

The White House is laughing at us. The initial chuckle came when Mr. Cheney invited the fox to guard the environmental hen house. After the public became aware of this betrayal, White House chuckles became peals of laughter.


PS: Glad to see there ARE real journalists in America. It's just confusing when so many of the ones working for Corporate McPravda aren't. They're presstitutes.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:41 AM
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72. Cheney still hiding from those Frenchies bout
the 38 million bribe that hallburton put out in Africe..{i think}

Any doubts that the fascist own the USA..I don't need any more convincin

Good day to all in Truth seeker land and to adversaries as well...

Have you hugged a FBI agent today?..GOOD! Me neither.

terrists 3000
dept. justice 0000

9/11/01 to 3/11/04 = 911 days

191 people died on 3/11/04..
191 rearranges to 911

OS wald
OS ama

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:27 PM
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75. Judge who exonerated Cheney is on the payroll of Exxon
EXXON's worse than the Fibbies, they're Rockefeller. Wonder what that makes BFEE Judge Turdball?

Judge who exonerated Cheney is on the payroll of Exxon


He is with the George Mason University
Law and Economics Center - funded by Exxon!

George Mason University, Law and Economics Center has received $115,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Say Hey! Its good being a judge!

Additional source: Antitrust Law & Economics Review Vol. 25, No. 2, Judicial Seminars: Economics, Academia, and Corporate Money In America --by Nan Aron, Barbara Moulton, and Chris Owens '6 Mornings Per Week' "Although closely affiliated with GMU , the Law and Economics Center is run independently and is supported entirely by private donations. Corporate interests provide a significant share of the Center's funding. In 1991, for example, when the Center spent $380,000 in 'direct' expenses for federal judges' seminars, 31% of the Center's total income of $967,917 came from corporate contributors. These donors included corporate giants Exxon, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, ITT, and Pfizer, Inc., the General Electric and Mobil Foundations, and the Monsanto Fund. Most of the remainder of the Center's 1991 budget (65%) came from independent foundations, including Olin, Bradley, and Scaife, which have been key players in efforts to mold a jurisprudence more favorable to business interests. The Center's basic 'economics institute' for federal judges is held once a year, spans a two-week period and is designed to familiarize participants with the fundamental tools of microeconomic theory."

Additional bio: A. Raymond Randolph

A. Raymond Randolph serves on the Advisory Board of George Mason University Law and Economics Center.


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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:12 PM
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73. That ruling was VERY disappointing.
I was stunned that any court would defend a governance of such secrecy particularly when it involved public policy.

The decision just HAS to be appealed, again.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:24 PM
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74. Cheney and the US Court of Appeals side with Kenny Boy Lay...
... and California got the bill.

Appeals court keeps Cheney panel secret

By Pete Yost, Associated Press


While the case dripped with political intrigue, bit players like Justice Antonin Scalia and former Enron chairman Ken Lay kept the controversy in the public eye: Scalia because of a hunting trip he took with Cheney while the task force case was pending before the Supreme Court; Lay because he met with Cheney a fact the White House acknowledged to Congress in 2002 only after Enron collapsed in scandal.

Scalia then issued a forceful defense rejecting calls for him to step aside and let the other eight justices rule.

Lay's contact was among six meetings between Enron executives and Cheney or his task force aides.

The day after meeting with Lay, Cheney said the Bush administration would not support price caps on wholesale energy sales in California.


Gee. Whatever happened to the courts? Haven't these Federalist judges read the Constitution?

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:26 PM
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See dick demonize..demonize demonize demonize..see dick demonize France..demonize demonize demonize

get the picture

demonize thy enemy who realy is a friend of freedom
cuz the arch-criminals hate FREEDOM and the middle class that gives its life to protect freedom

Worse is on the way..

truly these criminals have placed themselves above the LAWS..of man

Its all about the PAPERCLIP and the lil Nazi named Prescott who lied...

I do hold accountable the many repuke voters and christo-fascists that believe in the chemperor and his demonic ways..

as I remind ya ..not too late to turn to religion of your choice cuz the fascists are gonna do some weird stuff in the near future..

It will be kinda neat to see how many amerikens have nazi uniforms in their closets..many polical families of that you can be sure..
USA is an occupied nation..
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:46 PM
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78. Retrocommissions
Will the French Indict Cheney?

By Doug Ireland
The Nation Dec. 29, 2003 (web only)

Yet another sordid chapter in the murky annals of Halliburton might well lead to the indictment of Dick Cheney by a French court on charges of bribery, money-laundering and misuse of corporate assets.

At the heart of the matter is a $6 billion gas liquification factory built in Nigeria on behalf of oil mammoth Shell by Halliburton--the company Cheney headed before becoming Vice President--in partnership with a large French petroengineering company, Technip. Nigeria has been rated by the anticorruption watchdog Transparency International as the second-most corrupt country in the world, surpassed only by Bangladesh.

One of France's best-known investigating magistrates, Judge Renaud van Ruymbeke--who came to fame by unearthing major French campaign finance scandals in the 1990s that led to a raft of indictments--has been conducting a probe of the Nigeria deal since October. And, three days before Christmas, the Paris daily Le Figaro front-paged the news that Judge van Ruymbeke had notified the Justice Ministry that Cheney might be among those eventually indicted as a result of his investigation.

According to accounts in the French press, Judge van Ruymbeke believes that some or all of $180 million in so-called secret "retrocommissions" paid by Halliburton and Technip were, in fact, bribes given to Nigerian officials and others to grease the wheels for the refinery's construction. These reports say van Ruymbeke has fingered as the bagman in the operation a 55-year-old London lawyer, Jeffrey Tesler, who has worked for Halliburton for some thirty years. It was Tesler who was paid the $180 million as a "commercial consultant" through a Gibraltar-based front company he set up called TriStar. TriStar, in turn, got the money from a consortium set up for the Nigeria deal by Halliburton and Technip and registered in Madeira, the Portuguese offshore island where taxes don't apply. According to Agence France-Presse, a former top Technip official, Georges Krammer, has testified that the Madeira-based consortium was a "slush fund" controlled by Halliburton--through its subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root--and Technip. Krammer, who is cooperating with the investigation, also swore that Tesler was imposed as the intermediary by Halliburton over the objections of Technip.

Tesler is a curious fellow: A veteran operator in Nigeria, he was the financial adviser to the late dictator Gen. Sani Abacha and controlled his personal fortune, while at the same time working for Halliburton. Abacha's former Oil Minister, Dan Etete--who is suspected of having used some of the alleged bribe money to buy himself fancy apartments in Paris and a chateau in Normandy--was deposed by Judge van Ruymbeke in December. According to the Journal du Dimanche (a large Sunday paper), Etete's testimony seemed to confirm the judge's suspicions that Tesler laundered the $180 million through offshore and other accounts, and that part of the money wound up in dictator Abacha's coffers. Tesler's bank accounts in Monaco, Switzerland and elsewhere have been subpoenaed in an effort to find out where the money went.

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:52 PM
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79. I've been cutting & pasting this to 2 or 3 DU forums so...
If you've seen it elsewhere, you can skim (or skip it). Also, if there happens to be a little less replies to many posts on DU for a while, then perhaps it's because many DUers are busy working this out on their printers. So here it goes (not addressed to anyone in particular, but to all DUers who feel this is URGENT, or it's OK if you don't find yourself in a good enough position to do all this):

Never Give Up Hope, and Work For It

Print flyers about the U.K. secret memo and highlight all their LIES.
Specify what the PNAC is, who they are (include their site's address).
Direct the readers to the .pdf doc. there, and the "new Pearl Harbor."
Include information about who Prescott * was when he financed Hitler.

There are so many other "hidden" information about these gangsters, and the corporate media won't even discuss any of it. So "get around" them and do it yourself!

Find new creative ways to get it out there, use DU as you New Media and if necessary, make sure nobody "sees" you, and don't leave any fingerprints behind!

If you're not doing anything like this then, what's going on with you? You are supposed to be the experts in succeeding a Revolution, no? And a Revolution (well a peaceful, DEMOCRATIC one) is what you need now: the key is INFORMATION!

Stick posters around telephone posts! Even around trees! ANYTHING!

Never Give Up Hope! Every single second counts! And be careful.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 03:46 PM
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80. Cheney and Rumsfeld got FBI to break into Sy Hersh's house...
Hey, Amonester! That's why I do this. Thank you for giving a damn. And a hearty welcome to DU!

Here's something to spread around:

Iraq is "Moving Toward Open Civil War"

Seymour Hersh
Democracy Now!
May 11th, 2005



AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to start off with, is it true that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld attempted to break into your home?

SEYMOUR HERSH: Well, no, not literally, of course, but it is true that they asked the FBI to in 1975, when I was a reporter in Washington for The New York Times. I had written a story about, oh, some secret stuff involving the Navy and spying on Russia and intercepts. It was pretty sensitive stuff. It was given to me by people inside the bureaucracy who thought it was stupid, counterproductive and wasteful and dangerous, so there was a reason to write it. I mean, it wasn't as if I was just exposing something -- it had been the source of enormous dismay inside that we continued to do these provocative operations. This was at the end of the Vietnam War. And so, they got upset. Cheney and -- they were both -- one was Chief of Staff, one was his deputy. Maybe Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense then.

And what happened is that during the 2000 campaign when Cheney was nominated, a bunch of reporters from Newsweek went to the Ford Library in Michigan, Gerald Ford -- I don't -- Grand Rapids, I think it was. There's a library there, and they discovered they had declassified some documents, sort of a 25-year time period, and out popped this file on me. And those guys at Newsweek were very excited about it. They even shared it with me. They sent me a copy. It was about 50 pages of worrying about what to do, and at one point they did ask the -- Rumsfeld -- Cheney was writing notes. Rumsfeld was involved and others were, too, in the White House, the White House Counsel, etc., and people from the Pentagon, and they asked the FBI to do -- to go into my house as -- one of the options was go into my house. There were a series of options. One was do nothing. One was to ask The New York Times to try to do something about me, you know, to shut me down, but the most dramatic one was to go into my house.

And they sent it over – and then Ed Levi, who was also a participant in these discussions, he was then the Attorney General. And as I said last night here, o, if we had an Attorney General like that again, former Dean at the University of Chicago Law School, and eminent jurist. He wrote them a smashing memo saying, are you guys -- excuse me, guys, the White House cannot order the FBI to go into someone's house. You have to -- we have to begin a criminal investigation. It has to be determined by appropriate judicial figures, people in the Justice Department. The Department of Justice has to decide there's a case there. Then as part of the investigation, we can authorize it, you cannot. And so they were sort of rebuked. And it was in writing. And Newsweek never did the story. And so --


It's criminal what some people do with authority. Criminal.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 11:23 AM
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81.  Every single second counts!!
Thanks for posting all the information you can find!


"-- we didn't have Google; it was a lot harder then"


"So, this is an administration that has brought that art, the art of lying not only to the world, not only to foreign reporters, but lying to the American press, systematic misrepresenting and lying, they brought it to a new art form."


"-- This is a government that absolutely says, we won't talk to anybody we disagree with and gets away with it on a daily level, consistently, no criticism, no suggestion, no pressure to have bilateral talks with people in any case."


Makes me think about the folowwing (somehow):


Conflict and Revolution
1775 to 1776

April 14, 1775 - Massachusetts Governor Gage is secretly ordered by the British to enforce the Coercive Acts and suppress "open rebellion" among colonists by using all necessary force.

April 18, 1775 - General Gage orders 700 British soldiers to Concord to destroy the colonists' weapons depot.

That night, Paul Revere and William Dawes are sent from Boston to warn colonists. Revere reaches Lexington about midnight and warns Sam Adams and John Hancock who are hiding out there.

At dawn on April 19 about 70 armed Massachusetts militiamen stand face to face on Lexington Green with the British advance guard. An unordered 'shot heard around the world' begins the American Revolution.


Obviously, what's there "left to do" is: EVERYTHING that can INFORM the citizens of the U.S. --- (WHO TOGETHER FORM A BIG MAJORITY OF GOOD PEOPLE but who are NOT KNOWING THE TRUTH yet--as of today) --- about WHO they ARE and WHAT they DO, day in, day out, because it is ONE of the BEST way to make sure that when their "approval" numbers will DROP to somewhere around the 34-37% mark, it will SURE BECOME practically IMPOSSIBLE for them to RIG the total votes in their (criminal) favor. Make the target numbers fall down to the 34-37% mark, and you'll win this DEMOCRATIC Revolution! A great MAJORITY of the entire world's Good People have your backs and ARE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY!! INFORM these Good People around you, in your neighborhood, and in your state.

THANK YOU! Be careful, work peacefully, give it all your heart, and your country will be back to you, as a member of the civilized -- and peaceful -- world. If you work for it this way, you will win!

DUERS, TO YOUR PRINTERS! (if you can).


"-- we didn't have Google; it was a lot harder then"

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