Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

[Octafish]

America! Here’s proof Bush ordered the nation to war over false pretenses.

Why is this not “news” on Corporate McPravda? Could ABCNNBCBSFoxNoiseNutworkEtc be part of the, er, problem?

Since the presstitutes won’t do their job, we need to spread the word on the Bush Family Evil Empire. Please.

Proof Bush Fixed The Facts

Ray McGovern
May 04, 2005

Ray McGovern served 27 years as a CIA analyst and is now on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He works for Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour.

"Intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy."

Never in our wildest dreams did we think we would see those words in black and white—and beneath a SECRET stamp, no less. For three years now, we in Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) have been saying that the CIA and its British counterpart, MI-6, were ordered by their countries' leaders to "fix facts" to "justify" an unprovoked war on Iraq. More often than not, we have been greeted with stares of incredulity.

It has been a hard learning—that folks tend to believe what they want to believe. As long as our evidence, however abundant and persuasive, remained circumstantial, it could not compel belief. It simply is much easier on the psyche to assent to the White House spin machine blaming the Iraq fiasco on bad intelligence than to entertain the notion that we were sold a bill of goods.

Well, you can forget circumstantial. Thanks to an unauthorized disclosure by a courageous whistleblower, the evidence now leaps from official documents—this time authentic, not forged. Whether prompted by the open appeal of the international Truth-Telling Coalition or not, some brave soul has made the most explosive "patriotic leak" of the war by giving London's Sunday Times the official minutes of a briefing by Richard Dearlove, then head of Britain's CIA equivalent, MI-6. Fresh back in London from consultations in Washington, Dearlove briefed Prime Minister Blair and his top national security officials on July 23, 2002, on the Bush administration's plans to make war on Iraq.

Blair does not dispute the authenticity of the document, which immortalizes a discussion that is chillingly amoral. Apparently no one felt free to ask the obvious questions. Or, worse still, the obvious questions did not occur.

Juggernaut Before The Horse

In emotionless English, Dearlove tells Blair and the others that President Bush has decided to remove Saddam Hussein by launching a war that is to be "justified by the conjunction of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction." Period. What about the intelligence? Dearlove adds matter-of-factly, "The intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy."

CONTINUED…

http://www.tompaine.com/20050504/articles/proof_bush_fixed_the_facts.php

[Octafish]

1. The secret Downing Street memo

Learn the facts. Use them to debate with the Reich's nutjobs at work and play:

SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY

DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.

The two broad US options were:

(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).

(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.

CONTINUED...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

[dbeach]

39. Yale....Skull and Bones and opium trade..

Addict thy neighbor for the worship of money..

CIA is biggest pusher in the world...
"ya know I smoked alot of grass..good Lord I popped alot of pills but I never done nothing that my spirit did'nt will..
I seen alot of peole runnin round with tombstones in their eyes
but the pusher don't care if they live or die...I said G. Damn the pusher..." STEPINWOLF

http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/skull_and_bones_and_the_new_world_order.htm
"Regardless of these conflicting accounts, it can be stated with certainty that the Order was first established on the Yale campus in 1832 It was officially incorporated only in 1856 under the name Russell Trust Association. According to virtually all the available biographical data on its early members, the money required to sustain the secret order's campus affairs and its broader role in placing its members into key positions of influence upon their graduation from Yale, derived from the opium trade in the Far East. That trade was set up by the British East India Company and was flourishing by the time the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783 ending the American War for Independence. The East India Company during this period was controlled by the Baring Brothers Bank (Toward the closing decades of the 17th century, the British House of Rothschild would supplant the Baring Brothers as the controlling financial interests in the China opium trade."

[Octafish]

42. Gary Webb was right: CIA Sold Dope (Cocaine Importation Agency)

Here's an excerpt from an excellent article on the BFEE/secret government drug empire from Esquire. It mentions Gary Webb's work and the story of a DEA agent who was there, but didn't hear about Webb until he read his work in the newspaper...

Gary Webb, 1955-2004

EXCERPT...

WHEN HECTOR BERRELLEZ SPENT HIS YEAR GOING TO MOVIES IN Washington, he knew he was finished in the DEA. One day in October 1996, a month after he retired, Hector Berrellez picked up a newspaper and read this big story about a guy named Gary Webb. Hector had lived in shadows, and talking to reporters had not been his style. As I read, I thought, This shit is true," he says now. He hadn't a doubt about what Webb was saying. He saw the reporter as doomed. Webb had hit a sensitive area, and for it he would be attacked and disbelieved. Hector knew all about the Big Dog and the Big Boy rules.

SORRY TO SNIP...

Before he retired, Hector was summoned to Washington to brief Attorney General Janet Reno on Mexican corruption. He talked to her at length about how the very officials she was dealing with in Mexico had direct links to drug cartels. He remembers that she asked very few questions.

SORRY TO SNIP...

But he doesn't carry a smoking gun around. The photos, the ledgers, all the stuff the cops found that morning as they hit fourteen sterile stash houses where all the occupants seemed to be expecting company, all that material went to Washington and seems to have vanished. All those reports he wrote for years while in Mexico and then later running the Camarena case, those detailed reports of how he kept stumbling into dope deals done by CIA assets, never produced any results or even a substantive response.
Hector Berrellez is kind of a freak. He is decorated; he is an official hero with a smiling Ed Meese standing next to him in an official White House photograph. He pulled twenty-four years and retired with honors. He is, at least for the moment, neither discredited nor smeared. Probably because until this moment, he's kept silent.

SORRY TO SNIP...

He tells me a story that kind of sums up the place he finally landed in, the place that Gary Webb finally landed in. The place where you wonder if you are kind of nuts, since no one else seems to think anything is wrong. An agent he knows was deep in therapy, kind of cracking up from the undercover life. And the agent's shrink decided the guy was delusional, was living in some nutcase world of weird fantasies. So the doctor talked to Hector about his patient, about whether all the bullshit this guy was claiming was true, about dead men and women and children, strange crap like that. And he made a list of his patient's delusions, and he ticked them off to Hector. And Hector listened to them one by one and said, "Oh, that one, that's true. This one, yeah, that happened also." It went on like that. And finally, Hector could tell the shrink wondered just who was nuts--Hector, his patient, or himself.

CONTINUED...

http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2004/041217_mfe_webb_1.html

Celerino Castillo, like Hector Berrellez, was a top DEA agent. Stationed in Central America, Castillo witnessed and reported seeing US Government planes deliver guns and head home with loads of cocaine. The guy saw it and told it to the Kerry committee investigating the Contra-cocaine connections. Like Berrellez and Webb, Castillo's a hero of my country. He actually believes in the Constitution of the United States and has served to protect and defend it.

WRITTEN STATEMENT OF CELERINO CASTILLO III., (D.E.A. RETIRED) FOR THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE

April 27, 1998

For several years, I fought in the trenches of the front lines of Reagan's "Drug War", trying to stamp out what I considered American's greatest foreign threat. But, when I was posted, in Central and South America from 1984 through 1990, I knew we were playing the "Drug War Follies." While our government shouted "Just Say No !", entire Central and South American nations fell into what are now known as, "Cocaine democracies."
While with the DEA, I was able to keep journals of my assignments in Central and South America. These journals include names, case file numbers and DEA NADDIS (DEA Master Computer) information to back up my allegations. I have pictures and original passports of the victims that were murdered by CIA assets. These atrocities were done with the approval of the agencies.

We, ordinary Americans, cannot trust the C.I.A. Inspector General to conduct a full investigation into the CIA or the DEA. Let me tell you why. When President Clinton (June, 1996) ordered The Intelligence Oversight Board to conduct an investigation into allegations that US Agents were involved in atrocities in Guatemala, it failed to investigate several DEA and CIA operations in which U.S. agents knew before hand that individuals (some Americans) were going to be murdered.
I became so frustrated that I forced myself to respond to the I.O.B report citing case file numbers, dates, and names of people who were murdered. In one case (DEA file # TG-86-0005) several Colombians and Mexicans were raped, tortured and murdered by CIA and DEA assets, with the approval of the CIA. Among those victims identified was Jose Ramon Parra-Iniguez, Mexican passport A-GUC-043 and his two daughters Maria Leticia Olivier-Dominguez, Mexican passport A-GM-8381. Also included among the dead were several Colombian nationals: Adolfo Leon Morales-Arcilia "a.k.a." Adolfo Morales-Orestes, Carlos Alberto Ramirez, and Jiro Gilardo-Ocampo. Both a DEA and a CIA agent were present, when these individuals were being interrogated (tortured). The main target of that case was a Guatemalan Congressman, (Carlos Ramiro Garcia de Paz) who took delivery of 2,404 kilos of cocaine in Guatemala just before the interrogation. This case directly implicated the Guatemalan Government in drug trafficking (The Guatemalan Congressman still has his US visa and continues to travel at his pleasure into the US). To add salt to the wound, in 1989 these murders were investigated by the U.S Department of Justice, Office of Professional Responsibility. DEA S/I Tony Recevuto determined that the Guatemalan Military Intelligence, G-2 (the worst human rights violators in the Western Hemisphere) was responsible for these murders. Yet, the U.S. government continued to order U.S. agents to work hand-in-hand with the Guatemalan Military. This information was never turned over to the I.O.B. investigation. (See attached response)

SNIP...

I was there. I was the leading Agent in Guatemala. 99.9% of DEA operations were conducted with the Guatemalan military. In 1990, the DEA invited a Guatemalan military G-2 officer, Cpt. Fuentez, to attend a DEA narcotic school, which is against DEA policy. I know this for a fact because I worked with this officer for several years and was in Guatemala when he was getting ready to travel to the States.

CONTINUED...

http://www.american-buddha.com/cia.writ.state.htm

[dbeach]

44. Gary Webb R.I.P another truthseeker executed .

by the bush business butchers...murder incorporated...

Its tough being armed with this info BUT
"As I walk through the Valley of death..I shall fear no evil.."

"When I die I am going to heaven
I spent my time in hell"
Vietnam 1969

God chose you truth seekers for this perilous journey with few earthly rewards..

I knew the comies killed JFK on 11/22/63 cuz the bus driver said so on the way home that day{ha ha}..
I asked my Dad who was dismissed also early that day but he denied that the commies had overthrown the govt..

BUT in retro the commies or Nazis did a coup d'etat on 11/22/63 which they have been repeating up to the stolen election of 11/02/04..and including 9/11.

WE ARE TRAPPED in the time warp of 11/22/63 cuz Kennedy- King assassinations are unsolved and most so called Americans could care less.
I care plenty!

[Just Me]

57. Propping up drug-dealing dictators,...was part of US geopolitical,...

,...strategy, ya' see. That strategy was SO focused on money,...that the devastating details and consequences were "necessarily" um,...ignored/denied/shelved. Meanwhile, the consequences flowed and flooded and destroyed,...all for those who were consumed by their "LOVE OF MONEY".

Yeah. Super-secret, well-paid volunteers (CIA and DEA and ????) were psychologically twisted to the point that some became priests in some obscure rural area,...somewhere.

[Octafish]

2. Tony the Poodle had to RESTRAIN Bush back in September 2001.

Bush had a mind to attack Iraq, no matter the facts. "Good" for the world that Tony the Poodle explained "First Afghanistan. Then Iraq."

Blair 'restrained Bush from attacking Iraq after Sept 11'

By Anton La Guardia, Diplomatic Editor
(Filed: 21/03/2003)

Tony Blair played a key role in stopping President George W Bush from ordering military action against Iraq immediately after the September 11 attacks, and convincing him to take a longer diplomatic road to war, British sources disclosed yesterday.

The Prime Minister also urged caution and delay on at least two later occasions.

At one point America and Britain seriously considered the possibility of postponing the war until next September.

But officials said they decided on a spring campaign because of fears that prolonged uncertainty would undermine the global economy and destabilise Arab countries ready to help.

British officials are unrepentant about trying to secure a UN resolution authorising war, saying it had provided months of political "cover" for the military build-up. They admitted there had been blunders but were convinced that the diplomacy was foiled by a "strategic decision" taken by France some time in late January to frustrate America's plans.

CONTINUED...

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/03/21/wus21.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/03/21/ixnewstop.html

[Octafish]

78. Smirko's own Treasury Sec said Iraq Invasion was Job 1...in Jan 2001.

O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 Posted: 0712 GMT ( 3:12 PM HKT)

In new book, ex-Treasury secretary criticizes administration



Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill served nearly two years in Bush's Cabinet.

(CNN) -- The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes.

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS, according to excerpts released Saturday by the network. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

O'Neill, who served nearly two years in Bush's Cabinet, was asked to resign by the White House in December 2002 over differences he had with the president's tax cuts. O'Neill was the main source for "The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill," by former Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind.

The CBS report is scheduled to be broadcast Sunday night; the book is to be released Tuesday by publisher Simon & Schuster.

Suskind said O'Neill and other White House insiders gave him documents showing that in early 2001 the administration was already considering the use of force to oust Saddam, as well as planning for the aftermath.

"There are memos," Suskind told the network. "One of them marked 'secret' says 'Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq.'"

CONTINUED...

[dbeach]

3. Bush history from 1918 to 2001...

Bush crime family syndicate is the most powerful family in US History..

bush is noted as being a front man and not smart BUT he is merrily going about the family bushness which is basically abusing citizens for profit.

I read "American Dynasty" by kevin Phillis and it gives an outline of family bush from Sam to Wubya...war profits,flim flam,back stab,treason is all IN their playback..I further read "Price of Loyalty","Bush Cheney /new world order" by Mark Crispen and now reading '"Send him back to Crawford by Karl B.Schwarz

ALWAYS near the crime..NEVER the criminal!

Bush will walk away from this treason cuz he has the internationals in London who back him.. Bush is American royalty with no loyalty to America only to themselves and their sinister fascist/Nazi agenda
Bush is a world player and not to be taken lighlty..He is part of a globalist plan to creat a society of the privleged insiders and their corporat serfs


http://bushwatch.org/family.htm
"1918 Prescott Bush Sr., leads a raid on a Indian tomb to secure Geronimo's skull for Skull & Bones.

1937 Prescott Bush's investment firm sets up deal for the Luftwaffe so it can obtain tetraethyl lead.

1942 Three firms with which Prescott Bush is associated are seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

1953 George Bush and the Liedtke brothers form Zapata Petroleum. Zapata's subsidiary, Zapata Offshore, later becomes known for its close ties to the CIA.


2001 Bush is sworn in as president and Dick Cheney, Sec. of Defense under Poppy, is sworn in as vice-president. Numerous key members of the Regan-Bush and Bush-Quayle administrations, including those who left under a Contra cloud, are brought back into the new administration.
With Bush as front man and Cheney as the brains behind the throne, Bush begins to consolidate power with fast-track plans to weaken government regulations of corporations, begin drilling on previously out of bounds environmentally fragile sites, place greater world trade powers in the White House, establish formal governmental funding of religions, allow greater civil rights discrimination in the name of freedom, shift more of the nation's wealth away from the middle class and into the hands of the wealthy through changes in the tax laws, further establish military dominance in the world and in space through missile defense, and weaken international compacts protecting the environment and controlling small arms.
79 year old Andrew Marshall, a colleague of Herman "Dr. Strangelove" Kahn at the Rand think tank in the 50's appointed head of the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment and major speechwriter of Bush's Missle Defense System speeches.
Taking a cue from the Bush Administration, Japan deals with Iran to provide oil field studies, indicating that the Clinton Sanctions Act will no longer be enforced against Iran"

[Octafish]

8. Thanks, dbeach! Much obliged. Here's a bit on the Bush Crime Family...

Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

Some DUers don't believe there's a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy or even a Bush Family Evil Empire.

Hey, I'm a Democrat and respect other's opinions and views.

But I do believe in the VRWC and BFEE, perhaps more accurately termed the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise. Here's why:

Bush Crime Line

• Vietnam
• Bay of Pigs
• Chile
• Watergate
• October Surprise
• El Salvador
• Reagan Survives Hinckley and Bush
• NAZI Ethnics for Reagan-Bush
• Voodoo Economics
• INSLAW/Promis
• Haiti
• Iraq-gate / Banca Nazionale del Lavoro arms to Saddam
• BCCI International Money Laundering for Terrorists & Intelligence Community arming Dr AQ Khan
• Savings & Loan scandal in general and Silverado in particular
• Iran-contra Guns/Drugs/Martial Law
• Gulf War I Glaspie Gives Go-Ahead
• Selection 2000 Shreds US Constitution
• Tax Cuts for UltraRich
• Criminal Justice Department
• Suicidal Environmental Policy
• ENRON Energy Policy
• 9-11 Criminal Negligence, at best; Treason, most likely
• Illegal Iraq Invasion
• Paperless Selection 2004

It’s interesting in reviewing the above list, just how much ultra-right, conservative Republican leadership has really been. More than a listing of criminality, the list demonstrates there have been many treasonous activites against “We the People” through “business opportunities” in the finance, energy, and defense industries.

There is one FAMILY name that runs through all the history, the four decades since the JFK administration. Since the very hour of President Kennedy’s death, and through the list of sinister events and unrelenting criminality noted above — a record of infamy stretching back 41 years today — appears the name George Herbert Walker Bush, a tradition continued by his son, George Walker Bush, beard of the BFEE.

SOURCE w/LINKS 'n' DETAILS 'n' STUFF:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315

PS: It's a long thread, rich with graphics and so forth, but worth the hassle for the replies, sources and info. Thanks again, dbeach!

[Just Me]

14. OH!!! Thanks for that "tickle" list!!!

Perfect reference list of VRWC/BFEE activities!!! I needed that!

[FreedomAngel82]

25. Exactly

You got it right. He's always the person who makes the plans with other people and gives the go-ahead and they get other people to do their crimes for them. Why else do you think Poppy Bush has never gotten caught? I'm sure he killed Kennedy and probably tried to kill Reagan. It's how they work. Hopefully this time they all will bring brought to justice after their many many years of crimes.

[lonestarnot]

47. This stuff in Kitty Kelly's book.

[dbeach]

50. Kitty has NEVER been sucessfuly sued..

she got lots of info from Sherman Slotnick..the ole legal beagle from Chicago and a huge conspiracy buff..He did help prosecute one corrupt Chicago judge in 70s

like you say the info is not secret BUT neither is US Laziness

[lonestarnot]

51. Keeeeepppp POSTING IT! It must be KNOWN! We are some people's

only source of news! TRUTH IS THE ULTIMATE DEFENSE!

[BurtWorm]

4. For some reason, this is not registering with DUers.

I sense a giant shrug of indifference on this board about this subject. I don't know why.

[dbeach]

5. Burt ..how right you are!

DU shuld be well informed about the BFEE or as I call em the bush crime family syndicate..

They are international in scope and involved with every modern American crime since bush sr. and the big boys offed JFK,BK and MLK..

bush sr ambitiously climbed the corporat ladder with cunning and treachery..

bush is in same category as the worlds billionaires ..roctchild,rockefeller and the other bilderburgers..

who want to consolidate their privleged power at our expense..

underestimate family bush at your own risk..

[dzika]

6. I'm outraged!

I'm so fucking mad at the media for ignoring this that I can hardly type!

[BurtWorm]

10. I know THAT feeling!

:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

26. Same here

Sadly I've gotten used to it. *sigh* I've given up hope on them ever talking about Bush's crimes. :cry:

[Octafish]

7. Bugs me to no end.

Maybe a lot of them have me on "ignore." As long as you and those who give a damn are still here, BurtWorm, I'll keep trying.

Down with the BFEE!

BTW: Here's a bit more on the subject:

Proof Bush Fixed The Facts

Ray McGovern

EXCERPT...

In the following months, "the case" would be buttressed by a well-honed U.S.-U.K. intelligence-turned-propaganda-machine. The argument would be made "solid" enough to win endorsement from Congress and Parliament by conjuring up:

§ Aluminum artillery tubes misdiagnosed as nuclear related;
§ Forgeries alleging Iraqi attempts to obtain uranium in Africa;
§ Tall tales from a drunken defector about mobile biological weapons laboratories;
§ Bogus warnings that Iraqi forces could fire WMD-tipped missiles within 45 minutes of an order to do so;
§ Dodgy dossiers fabricated in London; and
§ A U.S. National Intelligence Estimate thrown in for good measure.

All this, as Dearlove notes dryly, despite the fact that "there was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action." Another nugget from Dearlove's briefing is his bloodless comment that one of the U.S. military options under discussion involved "a continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli"—the clear implication being that planners of the air campaign would also see to it that an appropriate casus belli was orchestrated.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tompaine.com/20050504/articles/proof_bush_fixed_the_facts.php

[BurtWorm]

9. Praise Ray McGovern!

It's a great article. :toast:

[seemslikeadream]

12. You are NOT on my ignore list, Octafish

"When The President Talks To God"

When the president talks to God
Are the conversations brief or long?
Does he ask to rape our women’s' rights
And send poor farm kids off to die?
Does God suggest an oil hike
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Are the consonants all hard or soft?
Is he resolute all down the line?
Is every issue black or white?
Does what God say ever change his mind
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Does he fake that drawl or merely nod?
Agree which convicts should be killed?
Where prisons should be built and filled?
Which voter fraud must be concealed
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
I wonder which one plays the better cop
We should find some jobs. the ghetto's broke
No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't
Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends

When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

When the president talks to God
Does he ever think that maybe he's not?
That that voice is just inside his head
When he kneels next to the presidential bed
Does he ever smell his own bullshit
When the president talks to God?

I doubt it

I doubt it

Conor Oberst

[Octafish]

13. The Lie Factory

News: This special Mother Jones investigation late last year detailed how, only weeks after 9/11, the Bush administration set up a secret Pentagon unit to create the case for invading Iraq. Here is the inside story of how they pushed disinformation and bogus intelligence and led the nation to war.

The Lie Factory

By Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest

January/February 2004 Issue

EXCERPT...

Until now, the story of how the Bush administration produced its wildly exaggerated estimates of the threat posed by Iraq has never been revealed in full. But, for the first time, a detailed investigation by Mother Jones, based on dozens of interviews‚ -- some on the record, some with officials who insisted on anonymity‚ -- exposes the workings of a secret Pentagon intelligence unit and of the Defense Department's war-planning task force, the Office of Special Plans. It's the story of a close-knit team of ideologues who spent a decade or more hammering out plans for an attack on Iraq and who used the events of September 11, 2001, to set it into motion.

Six months after the end of major combat in Iraq, the United States had spent $300 million trying to find banned weapons in Iraq, and President Bush was seeking $600 million more to extend the search. Not found were Iraq's Scuds and other long-range missiles, thousands of barrels and tons of anthrax and botulism stock, sarin and VX nerve agents, mustard gas, biological and chemical munitions, mobile labs for producing biological weapons, and any and all evidence of a reconstituted nuclear-arms program, all of which had been repeatedly cited as justification for the war. Also missing was evidence of Iraqi collaboration with Al Qaeda.

The reports, virtually all false, of Iraqi weapons and terrorism ties emanated from an apparatus that began to gestate almost as soon as the Bush administration took power. In the very first meeting of the Bush national-security team, one day after President Bush took the oath of office in January 2001, the issue of invading Iraq was raised, according to one of the participants in the meeting‚ -- and officials all the way down the line started to get the message, long before 9/11. Indeed, the Bush team at the Pentagon hadn't even been formally installed before Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of Defense, and Douglas J. Feith, undersecretary of Defense for policy, began putting together what would become the vanguard for regime change in Iraq.

Both Wolfowitz and Feith have deep roots in the neoconservative movement. One of the most influential Washington neo- conservatives in the foreign-policy establishment during the Republicans' wilderness years of the 1990s, Wolfowitz has long held that not taking Baghdad in 1991 was a grievous mistake. He and others now prominent in the administration said so repeatedly over the past decade in a slew of letters and policy papers from neoconservative groups like the Project for the New American Century and the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Feith, a former aide to Richard Perle at the Pentagon in the 1980s and an activist in far-right Zionist circles, held the view that there was no difference between U.S. and Israeli security policy and that the best way to secure both countries' future was to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem not by serving as a broker, but with the United States as a force for "regime change" in the region.

Called in to help organize the Iraq war-planning team was a longtime Pentagon official, Harold Rhode, a specialist on Islam who speaks Hebrew, Arabic, Turkish, and Farsi. Though Feith would not be officially confirmed until July 2001, career military and civilian officials in NESA began to watch his office with concern after Rhode set up shop in Feith's office in early January. Rhode, seen by many veteran staffers as an ideological gadfly, was officially assigned to the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment, an in-house Pentagon think tank headed by fellow neocon Andrew Marshall. Rhode helped Feith lay down the law about the department's new anti-Iraq, and broadly anti-Arab, orientation. In one telling incident, Rhode accosted and harangued a visiting senior Arab diplomat, telling him that there would be no "bartering in the bazaar anymore. You're going to have to sit up and pay attention when we say so."

Rhode refused to be interviewed for this story, saying cryptically, "Those who speak, pay."

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html

Thanks, seemslikeadream! I appreciate people who don't like me, but really appreciate people who ignore me. It makes me feel so... alive.

[lonestarnot]

49. Daddy's war--little bushitler let it slip when he said they tried to "kill

my daddy"

[seemslikeadream]

19. BRIGHT EYES VIDEO

When the president talks to God

http://www.prefixmag.com/Bright_Eyes_(Leno)(05.02.05)_(high).php

[dbeach]

29. Yes..I have been packed off to VN..

and have a genuine honorable discharge with all my correct documents..unlike certain Air Reserve officers that have problems finding documents BUT say they served honorably..served who? not the good citizens of these US of A

[Just Me]

16. *ahem*

You are on my "FAVE DUers" list. :7

[Octafish]

20. Thanks, Just Me! Hey! Remember "Team B"?

Team B" were the intel "pros" who cooked the books for the Cold War. Instead of using the money for better schools, health care, roads, jobs, we used "your money" to pad the pockets of the military-industrial complex and their beards, the BFEE.

Most importantly: Truly appreciate the kind words, Just Me! You have no idea how they help morale around here.

Team B: The trillion-dollar experiment

Two experts report on how a group of Cold War true believers were invited to second-guess the CIA. Did the "outside experts" of the 1970s contribute to the military buildup of the 1980s?

By Anne Hessing Cahn
April 1993 pp. 22, 24-27 (vol. 49, no. 03) © 1993 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

lection years have much in common. They produce a profusion of punditry, media attention, and politically expedient action, quickly forgotten, and with little lasting impact. But not always; sometimes events are set into motion that have long lifetimes. This was the case in 1976 when, as in 1992, an incumbent Republican president faced a strong challenge from the right wing of his own party. Then (as last year) sops were offered to placate the far right and, while it is too early to know which of the 1992 capers will endure, we now know a great deal about one of the most political events of 1976, and its remarkably long-lasting effects on U.S. policy.

Late last year, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) released the 1976 "Team B" reports. Team B was an experiment in competitive threat assessments approved by then-Director of Central Intelligence George Bush. Teams of "outside experts" were to take independent looks at the highly classified data used by the intelligence community to assess Soviet strategic forces in the yearly National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs). NIEs are authoritative and are widely circulated within the government. U.S. national security policy on various issues as well as the defense budget are based on their general conclusions. Although NIEs represent the collective judgment of the entire intelligence community, the lead agency is the CIA.

There were three "B" teams. One studied Soviet low-altitude air defense capabilities, one examined Soviet intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) accuracy, and one investigated Soviet strategic policy and objectives. But it is the third team, chaired by Harvard professor Richard Pipes, that ultimately received considerable publicity and is commonly referred to as Team B.

The Team B experiment was concocted by conservative cold warriors determined to bury détente and the SALT process. Panel members were all hard-liners. The experiment was leaked to the press in an unsuccessful attempt at an "October surprise." But most important, the Team B reports became the intellectual foundation of "the window of vulnerability" and of the massive arms buildup that began toward the end of the Carter administration and accelerated under President Reagan.

SNIP...

The vehicle chosen from within the administration to challenge the CIA was the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB). Formed as the Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Affairs by President Eisenhower in 1956, PFIAB was reconstituted by President Kennedy in 1961 after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Members are appointed by the president but hold no other government positions (except possibly on other advisory committees or panels). By 1975, PFIAB was a home for such conservatives as William Casey, John Connally, John Foster, Clare Booth Luce, and Edward Teller.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=apr93cahn

[Just Me]

21. Hey, you,...

,...I thank YOU for persistently posting valuable information which teaches us all what our leadership is really about!!!

Thank you, Octafish!!!!:thumbsup: :hi:

[i miss america]

17. Au contraire, Octafish

Your posts consistently raise points worthy of close examination and discussion. Too few seem to have your persistence, intelligence or courage. Please keep 'em coming.

:yourock: :popcorn:

[Octafish]

22. Thanks, i.m.a.! Remember Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - & Power'?

Really appreciate what you said, i miss america! Your words brought a smile to my heart.

Back to business. Remember "Seven Days in May"?



Here's an excellent essay about how certain people seem to think they are the lords and masters of creation, including that of the inhabitants thereof:

Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power

by Thom Hartmann
Published on Tuesday, December 7, 2004 by CommonDreams.org

What if there really was no need for much - or even most - of the Cold War? What if, in fact, the Cold War had been kept alive for two decades based on phony WMD threats?
What if, similarly, the War On Terror was largely a scam, and the administration was hyping it to seem larger-than-life? What if our "enemy" represented a real but relatively small threat posed by rogue and criminal groups well outside the mainstream of Islam? What if that hype was done largely to enhance the power, electability, and stature of George W. Bush and Tony Blair?

And what if the world was to discover the most shocking dimensions of these twin deceits - that the same men promulgated them in the 1970s and today?

It happened.

The myth-shattering event took place in England the first three weeks of October, when the BBC aired a three-hour documentary written and produced by Adam Curtis, titled "The Power of Nightmares." If the emails and phone calls many of us in the US received from friends in the UK - and debate in the pages of publications like The Guardian are any indicator, this was a seismic event, one that may have even provoked a hasty meeting between Blair and Bush a few weeks later.

According to this carefully researched and well-vetted BBC documentary, Richard Nixon, following in the steps of his mentor and former boss Dwight D. Eisenhower, believed it was possible to end the Cold War and eliminate fear from the national psyche. The nation need no longer be afraid of communism or the Soviet Union. Nixon worked out a truce with the Soviets, meeting their demands for safety as well as the US needs for security, and then announced to Americans that they need no longer be afraid.

SNIP...

But Nixon left amid scandal and Ford came in, and Ford's Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld) and Chief of Staff (Dick Cheney) believed it was intolerable that Americans might no longer be bound by fear. Without fear, how could Americans be manipulated?

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1207-26.htm

[i miss america]

52. You know, I've never before heard of or seen that movie.

However that will change in the very near future.

Regarding the essay, Thom Hartmann has very eloquently given legitimacy to ideas that I have long believed, and that is that the cold war was unnecessary and the whole nuclear arms race was totally insane.

It's funny in a gut-wrenching sort of way that we've spent trillions over the last few decades on defense and intelligence, and all along the only real enemy we've ever truly faced are the greedy and power-hungry bastards at the helm.

This paragraph in the Hartmann really stood out for me:

In 1972, President Richard Nixon returned from the Soviet Union with a treaty worked out by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the beginning of a process Kissinger called "détente." On June 1, 1972, Nixon gave a speech in which he said, "Last Friday, in Moscow, we witnessed the beginning of the end of that era which began in 1945. With this step, we have enhanced the security of both nations. We have begun to reduce the level of fear, by reducing the causes of fear—for our two peoples, and for all peoples in the world."

If I remember correctly the Watergate break-in was just a few weeks later -- on June 17th, 1972. Might Poppy (on behalf of his M/I benefactors) have put Hunt, Sturgis and those wacky bungling burglars up to the task in an effort to intentionally bring down Nixon? Peace just isn't all that profitable, you know.

If the above two events are actually related, in my mind the identity of Deep Throat suddenly becomes clear. :think:

[Octafish]

53. Reykjavik, when Pruneface and Gorby agreed to scrap the nukes.

Everything seemed possible, for a moment. Then a little while later, the same year, Hasenfus' plane goes down in Nicaragua and the whole Iran-contra enchilada with Ronnie Hairdo's fingerprints all over it becomes public.

Hello, impeachment for the Hollywood Rapist. Not for Poppy, though. He was "out of the loop."

Agree with everything you wrote there regarding the link between Detente and Watergate, i miss america. It's the BFEE's major pattern.

JFK wanted no war over Cuba or in Vietnam. Gee. LBJ was president a week when he reversed that national policy. They didn't impeach him, though.

[FreedomAngel82]

56. On that movie

you can see it at http://www.propogandamatrix.com in their media section. They have a couple of good docs there.

[i miss america]

60. I haven't located the movie yet but I see a bunch of very interesting

links at http://www.propagandamatrix.com

Thank you :headbang:

[Octafish]

65. Impossible to rent from Blockbuster.

They do have a million copies of the latest screwing from Will Farrell, but zip on films that may actually shed light on our current, um, predicament.

This place has "Seven Days in May" for about $15.

http://www.bestprices.com/cgi-bin/vlink/085391524328IE.html

Good luck!

[i miss america]

67. Excellent...thank you

[Octafish]

61. Seven Days in May was a film by John Frankenheimer...

...the great who directed (the original) "The Manchurian Candidate."

Supposedly created at the suggestion of JFK, "Seven Days in May" describes what happens when a President decides to make peace with the Soviets. Both sides agree to dismantle their nukes. The Pentagon, led by the JCS Chief, doesn't want to go along. He plans a coup.

The film parallels what almost -- oops -- happened during the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis. Of course, JFK opposed Vietnam and it cost him his life.

Rod Serling wrote the screenplay, based on the book by Fletcher Knebel. The film stars Burt Lancastar as USAF Gen. James Matoon Scott, Kirk Douglas as Col. "Jiggs" Casey, Fredric March as the President, Ava Gardner as Matoon's ex-mistress and a whole bunch more stars.

Seven Octopii.

[bobthedrummer]

23. You aren't alone here brother, ever. A lot of people procrastinate here.

A lot of them lurk. They don't post anything. Others form armies forgetting that we are all "an army of one" on the Internet when it comes to the truth about BFEE.

Have a good day, until we meet again.
:hi:

[Octafish]

24. Thanks, Brother Bob! Ever hear of an outfit called.... 'PNAC'

Gotcha! And thanks for watching my back, Hermano!

Statement of Principles

EXCERPT...

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

SOURCE:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Some list of assholes, there.

[lonestarnot]

48. No indifference here! We are dealing with the scarest bunch of crooks

in the history of the planet!

[dbeach]

54. Scariest crooks in earth history..

Ya got that right.

[dbeach]

11. Alex Jones interviews David Ray Griffin..

Griffin was confronted by lady caller who called him on his globalist views which are in his book and aslo on his friend richard falk who is a memeber of CFR..

I not popular for saying this BUT Griffin needs to be challenged on his world governance and world theology views.

[Octafish]

15. Haven't read his stuff. Do know I don't think much of the planted ...

...explosives and pod-controlled planes. Then again, I'll be the first to state my ignorance on most of what there is to know.

Regarding the BFEE, though: They represent a class of criminal mind seldom seen in America. OTOH, NAZI Germany, Stalinist USSR and Maoist China...And these all are current or former BFEE business partners.

[i miss america]

18. Check out some of these videos

http://reopen911.org/video/

[Octafish]

64. Wow!

Thanks, i miss america! Much obliged.

I watched several last night and will viddy more this nochy.

The clips and interviews are great; especially liked hearing and seeing Sibol Edmonds in person. I can see how almost anyone who hears her would be instantly converted from the dark side. Wow!

[i miss america]

68. Ha! That's what I usually say when I read some of your threads

Reminder ... the Griffin lecture will air again on CSPAN tomorrow at 2:30 Eastern.

When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can think at all
--- Paul Simon "Kodachrome"

[lonestarnot]

55. My engineer friends are taking him apart...I am skeptical.

[cosmik debris]

27. Librul media

I'm so glad the librul media is covering this so well. Oh wait, they aren't covering it at all. Go to google and search for Mathew Rycroft the author of the memo. How many NY Times articles come up? Or WaPO, or LA Times? --ZERO-- This is the greatest body blow to the BFEE in months and our media pretends that it didn't even happen.

But now it is our turn to say "How Can So Many Brits Be So DUMB?"

[Octafish]

33. You raise a most important point, cosmik debris. Where are the Media?

The nation's Founders understood for the Republic to work, the electorate must be kept informed. Thus, the Press is the only business mentioned by name in the entire U.S. Constitution -- in the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So Bush and the BFEE have done all they can to co-opt, divert and dismantle anything to do with TRUTH.

Beating Bush at 'Information War'

By Robert Parry
March 16, 2005

Some readers have asked why I started my book about the rise of the Bush dynasty with a chapter set between the two George Bush presidencies, with Bill Clinton explaining why he didn’t pursue investigations of his predecessor’s Cold War crimes. The short answer is that I saw that moment as pivotal to understanding today’s political crisis.

The failure of the Clinton Democrats to fight for an honest record of the Cold War – and to expose George H.W. Bush’s complicity in wrongdoing – opened the door for George W. Bush to enter the White House in 2001. If key documents had been declassified about just a few scandals, such as the Iraqgate arming of Saddam Hussein and the Iran-Contra Affair, that door almost certainly would have been shut for good.

But Bill Clinton saw history as less important than, say, his health-care program, which he thought (naively) might garner some Republican support if he let the elder George Bush off the hook. So, the American people were left with a misleading Cold War history; Clinton never got his bipartisanship; and the way was cleared for a comeback by the Bushes and their neoconservative allies.

Indirectly, the decision to avoid any truth-commission-style accountability after “winning” the Cold War also contributed to the quagmire in Iraq, a budgetary ocean of red ink again at high tide, and a population that wallows more and more in myths and misinformation.

‘Information Warfare’

It is a thesis of both my new book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, and my earlier book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & ‘Project Truth’ that Clinton and the Democrats grievously misunderstood the modern concept of “information warfare” and how the Republicans were waging it at home.

The Republicans and especially the neoconservative intellectuals realized that control of information – or one might say replacing it with propaganda – was the key to solidifying their political power within the United States.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/031505.html

[dbeach]

28. Know your BFEE should be a weekly topic..

it sure brings out the Sherlcok Holmes in me..
OS ama
OS wald
OSS

9/11/01 TO 3/11/04 IS EXACTLY 911 DAYS

OSS and CIA operatives= Osama,Oswald,Ho Chi Mien,Chairman Mao,
Noreiga,Shaw of Iran,Sadam,Idi Amin..
not even to mention Operation Paperclip which let the "Zs" INTO THE INELLIGENCE AGENCIES..

Prescott Bush was the ultimate Nazi spy and he got caught in 42 and became CT Senator in 52...


The USA may well regret their lack of interest in the bush family crime syndicate..

The spirit of truth is foreign to this material world

[Karenina]

30. BFEE got a big nassy stick

pre-positioned in Murrika AND the worlds "nether regions." The only question now is if it hurts enough yet.

[dbeach]

31. Nope..dem Merrikens still way too comfy..

face it most Americans have NEVER realy suffered..

I served in VN which was huge suffering BUT most of my life has been comfy..

BFEE will turn up the pain decibels as they make next criminal enterprise happen for them and to us...

A rich privleged police state is their goal with a numb and dumb work force or maybe chip dem commoners...??

[Octafish]

32. We gotta grab the BFEE by the nose...

...and kick 'em in the pants!

Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293&page=


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3493251


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3389867


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2788428


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2511192


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2472759


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529964


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2956067


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2414083


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2404049


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2396787


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2397004


This one’s not labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but it’s meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455

[RBHam]

34. Thousands upon thousands of souls seeking revenge...

Karma's a bitch, Georgie...

Glad I ain't you...

[Octafish]

36. Let's give Karma a push start in Election 2006.

Get the idea in front of the electorate that it was George Walker Bush who lied to the American people -- and the unctuous and supine US Congress was only too happy to go along.

Use the election to get ALL the bums out who support the Little Turd from Crawford, from the sweaty bed-wetter Hastert to the demented DeLay to the cat-killing Friskie Frist. Out. Out. Out. Dems who support the little turd from Crawford, too.

Dr. Dean has the party prescription pad. All he has to do is write out the therapeutic checks. Use what voices we have in person and in the media to beat into Mr. and Mrs. America's TV-sotted skulls the evidence of treason leads straight to Bush, who wanted a war and lied to get it.

And if the Democratic Party won't do it, it's up to us. Honored to be on your side, RBHam. How's that for Karma?

[dbeach]

37. Octafish ..do ya ever rest??

"Dr. Dean has the party prescription pad. All he has to do is write out the therapeutic checks. Use what voices we have in person and in the media to beat into Mr. and Mrs. America's TV-sotted skulls the evidence of treason leads straight to Bush, who wanted a war and lied to get it."..

How bout beatin skull and bones TREASON...???

greater than the average secret society..600 live members..all in fat cat jobs..
but its a harmless Yale frat..Maybe ?? Ever look up Yale founders?? how bout that New Haven CT where Yale is located was opium capital of US in 1800s...!!!

[Octafish]

40. Ha ha ha ha. I'll call it a day when the BFEE's where they deserve.

Looks like the smirk is gone. Isn't that Bernie Kerik at #3?

Regarding Skull & Bones: Yeah, I don't like the organization. I believe there are good Bonesmen and bad Bonesmen. My horse, Kerry being a good guy. Seeing how he failed to clobber -- and I mean clobber -- the crazy moron during the debates, especially -- made me wonder if the fix wasn't in.

Remember, Smirko bragged about bagging "Dr. Khan of Pakistan"? Well, it was Kerry who helped shut down BCCI, the corrupt bank that financed Khan and his nuclear proliferatin' buddied around the globe. I looked at my better half and said, "Here's his chance." Instead...silence.

Why didn't Kerry lower the boom? Not sure. I don't believe Kerry is a crook. My guess is Kerry was "told" how things were going to turn out, if he knows what's good for him, his family, his Party and his country.

[dbeach]

41. Time may reveal much about Mr. kerry whom I also voted for..

Ronnie Regan was a Left wing liberal compared to bushfraud..I hear Nancy R. hates the smirk cuz bush sr. tried to bump off her Ronnie by using his ole golf buddy Hincleys kid to do his bushness dirt...

I will pray for Ronnie..praying for the bush crime family syndicate is the challenge of my Christian thought..

[lonestarnot]

46. This is not a secret...studied the opium trade chinese railworkers and

the smoke houses... New Haven one big smoke house.

[chlamor]

35. Nominated

[Octafish]

38. Thanks, chlamor! Remember Poppy lied America into Gulf War I, too.

Bush 41 invented evidence to go to war in 1991, too. Bush gave acting Ambassador April Glaspie the go-ahead to tell Saddam the U.S. has "no position on Arab-Arab border disputes." Then, after Saddam invaded Kuwait, Bush told the Saudis the satellite photos showed Iraq's army massed on the Saudi border. Meanwhile, the PR machinery gets the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter to pretrend she's a nurse and tell Congress she saw Iraqi soldiers take babies out of their incubators and put them on the cold hospital floor. It was a lie, like everything Bush.

How Washington manufactured a war crisis

By Huda M. al-Yassiri, in The Baghdad Observer,
No. 8534. 8 June, 1996

The Gulf war reporting gave evidence that American news consumers were gulled by false reports. The reporting on this matter has been almost completelly one-sided consisting of the admonitions of self-interested. Absent from the reports is hard information from disinterested sources.

Late in January, Channel 4 of the British TV broadcast a documentary showing how American news consumers were dazzled and deluded by manipulators of satellite photos of Kuwait taken five weeks after August 1990 to justify the deployment of US troops to Saudi Arabia, al-Jumhuriya daily newspaper reported.

In a news item published on its January 20 issue, the daily said the documentary reveals the role of the American advertising company, Nolton, in fabricating and airing stories on Iraqi troops that were said to be massing on the Saudi border and that claimed to be constituting the possible threat to Saudi Arabia to justify the massive deployment of US troops to the Gulf.

SNIP...

The article, "Public doesn't get picture with Gulf satellite photos," said when president George Bush began his massive deployment of American troops to the Gulf in August 1990, he claimed that Iraq, which had just entered Kuwait, had set its sights on Saudi Arabia. On september 11, 1990, Bush addressed a joint session of Congress, saying, "We gather tonight witness to events in the Gulf as significant as they are tragic. 120.000 Iraqi troops with 850 tanks had poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia".

On January 6, 1991, however, Jean Heller reported in the St. Peters- burg (Fla.) Times that satellite photos taken the same day the president Bush addressed Congress failed to back up his claim of an imminent Iraqi threat. In fact, there was no sign of a massive Iraqi troops buildup in Kuwait.

CONTINUED...

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/077.html

[Just Me]

43. He was able to convince the international community that,...

,...Saddam should NOT be the man to hold power over 1/4 of the earth's oil reserves and they agreed (how could they not agree?). He did lead Saddam right into that trap, severely restricting his power while simultaneously oppressing the Iraqi people. He also engaged in lots of propaganda (total bs), in addition to ensuring an imperialism by proxy in Kuwait.

The HUGE difference between poppy and jr is that poppy managed to utilize the UN in precisely the manner it was intended to operate. However, jr (and his hardline, right-wing, rapture-obsessed, freaks for an administration) is set on destroying the UN and doing a direct imperialistic endeavor NWS that we are in a post cold war world where the people REJECT the concept of anymore destructive, greedy, bloody empires!!!!

The VRWC and BFEE will go down,...they will fail. The only grace we will have from their presence is incitement of humanity's final rejection of imperialism.

[chlamor]

45. Hill & Knowlton

or Burston Marsteller or was it The Rendon Group or....

We say SA-DAMN was throwin' babies out of incubators in Kuwait, well just listen to her story. Tears flowing down the jowls of congresscritters. Let's git 'em. Let's have a turkey shoot.

Literally millions have died in Iraq in the Bush-Clinton-Bush wars in Mesopotamia.

Now remember it's not good marketing to introduce a new product in....

[Octafish]

66. 'Highway of Death' demonstrates Poppy's also a war criminal.

Same goes for Operation JUST CAUSE where 2,000 innocent people died in Panama so Poppy could silence his Pineapple faced cocaine connection, Manuel Noriega.

Ramsey Clark pegs the BFEE -- turds like Averell Harriman and Clark Clifford from the DEM side and Prescott Bush and the Dulles Brothers from the GOP:

“The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy.” -- Ramsey Clark

http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/iraqgenocide/TheFireThisTime.html

[Swamp Rat]

58. kick

[Octafish]

62. Father Greeley: How long can Bush spin big lies into truth on Iraq war?

Thanks, Swamp Rat. Here's someone from the Church who's got a real understanding of the situation:

How long can Bush spin big lies into truth on Iraq war?

BY ANDREW GREELEY
May 6, 2005

As the criminal, sinful war in Iraq enters its third year, the president is in Europe to heal the wounds between the United States and its former allies, on his own terms, of course. The White House propaganda mill hails it as another victory for the president and ignores the fact that most Europeans still consider the war dangerous folly and the president a dangerous fool.

One hears new rationalizations for the war on this side of the Atlantic. After the hearings on Secretary Rice, a Republican senator, with all the self-righteous anger that characterizes many such, proclaimed, "The Democrats just have to understand that the president really believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."

This justification is not unlike the one heard frequently at the White House, "The president believed the intelligence agencies of the world."

Would it not be much better to have a president who deliberately lied to the people because he thought a war was essential than to have one who was so dumb as to be taken in by intelligence agencies, especially those who told him what he wanted to hear?

CONTINUED...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/greeley/cst-edt-greel06.html

[Swamp Rat]

69. Kick ASS Father Greeley!!!

:kick:

Open all the gunnel portholes and let fly a non-stop volley against the Bush Ship of State!!!

ATTACK!!!! :mad:

[chlamor]

59. ...

[Octafish]

63. The President is a War Criminal

Thanks, chlamor! Much appreciated.

BTW: Did you write the following? Is this guy a friend of yours? Great thinks mind alike...

Blowing Things Up

George Bush was determined from the beginning to attack Iraq. The posturing was part of the way this preparation for war was orchestrated...George Bush's evidence had been fabricated to justify attacking Iraq. These lies were a pretence for war. It was blood for oil.

The President is a War Criminal

Chemical and biological weapons enable a poor country to compete with a rich country which has nuclear weapons and the U.S. has more of them than anyone else. It also has more chemical and biological agents than any other country.

Nuclear weapons are not only the most dangerous weapons of mass destruction, but far more dependable than other weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. had them all in Iraq and Afghanistan. It used and still uses nuclear armaments. Yet, the media is curiously silent.

Depleted uranium is a major cause for concern. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants other countries it doesn't like to give up all their weapons of mass destruction, whereas countries it does like can keep them. And George W. Bush intends to flex his super power weapons of mass destruction arms to get them to do it.
"Chemicals are the inexpensive weapons of mass destruction, and, as Arab nations have argued on numerous occasions, states cannot be expected to renounce such weapons so long as their enemies maintain atomic arms." (Stephen Rosskamm Shalom, "Imperial Alibis", South End Press, 93)

"The nuclear powers have taught by example over the last four decades that real international status comes from being able to threaten the incineration of large numbers of people. Accordingly, aspiring global players in the Third World have sought to obtain nuclear weapons or, where that has not been possible, the cheaper alternative. Thus the spread of chemical weapons and nuclear proliferation are inextricably linked." (Shalom)

Never Any Proof

Dick Chaney said Iraq was so dangerous because it not only had "chemical, biological and nuclear weapons" but it would put those weapons of mass destruction into the hands of al-Qaeda. He didn't stop there with his manufactured reasons for attacking Iraq. The vice president claimed that Iraq was training al-Qaeda. But there was never any proof of those claims. Like all the other stories from these liars, this too was bogus.

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http://www.pnews.org/PhpWiki/index.php/BlowingThingsUp

[chlamor]

70. Don't Forget the Mother of All Clients

The Mother of All Clients

On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops led by dictator Saddam Hussein invaded the oil-producing nation of Kuwait. Like Noriega in Panama, Hussein had been a US ally for nearly a decade. From 1980 to 1988, he had killed about 150,000 Iranians, in addition to at least 13,000 of his own citizens. Despite complaints from international human rights group, however, the Reagan and Bush administrations had treated Hussein as a valuable ally in the US confrontation with Iran. As late as July 25 - a week before the invasion of Kuwait - US Ambassador April Glaspie commiserated with Hussein over a "cheap and unjust" profile by ABC's Diane Sawyer, and wished for an "appearance in the media, even for five minutes," by Hussein that "would help explain Iraq to the American people."69

Glaspie's ill-chosen comments may have helped convince the dictator that Washington would look the other way if he "annexed" a neighboring kingdom. The invasion of Kuwait, however, crossed a line that the Bush Administration could not tolerate. This time Hussein's crime was far more serious than simply gassing to death another brood of Kurdish refugees. This time, oil was at stake.

Viewed in strictly moral terms, Kuwait hardly looked like the sort of country that deserved defending, even from a monster like Hussein. The tiny but super-rich state had been an independent nation for just a quarter century when in 1986 the ruling al-Sabah family tightened its dictatorial grip over the "black gold" fiefdom by disbanding the token National Assembly and firmly establishing all power in the be-jeweled hands of the ruling Emir. Then, as now, Kuwait's ruling oligarchy brutally suppressed the country's small democracy movement, intimidated and censored journalists, and hired desperate foreigners to supply most of the nation's physical labor under conditions of indentured servitude and near-slavery. The wealthy young men of Kuwait's ruling class were known as spoiled party boys in university cities and national capitals from Cairo to Washington.70

Packaging the Emir

US Congressman Jimmy Hayes of Louisiana - a conservative Democrat who supported the Gulf War - later estimated that the government of Kuwait funded as many as 20 PR, law and lobby firms in its campaign to mobilize US opinion and force against Hussein.72 Participating firms included the Rendon Group, which received a retainer of $100,000 per month for media work, and Neill & Co., which received $50,000 per month for lobbying Congress. Sam Zakhem, a former US ambassador to the oil-rich gulf state of Bahrain, funneled $7.7 million in advertising and lobbying dollars through two front groups, the "Coalition for Americans at Risk" and the "Freedom Task Force." The Coalition, which began in the 1980s as a front for the contras in Nicaragua, prepared and placed TV and newspaper ads, and kept a stable of fifty speakers available for pro-war rallies and publicity events.73

Hill & Knowlton, then the world's largest PR firm, served as mastermind for the Kuwaiti campaign. Its activities alone would have constituted the largest foreign-funded campaign ever aimed at manipulating American public opinion. By law, the Foreign Agents Registration Act should have exposed this propaganda campaign to the American people, but the Justice Department chose not to enforce it. Nine days after Saddam's army marched into Kuwait, the Emir's government agreed to fund a contract under which Hill & Knowlton would represent "Citizens for a Free Kuwait," a classic PR front group designed to hide the real role of the Kuwaiti government and its collusion with the Bush administration. Over the next six months, the Kuwaiti government channeled $11.9 million dollars to Citizens for a Free Kuwait, whose only other funding totalled $17,861 from 78 individuals. Virtually all of CFK's budget - $10.8 million - went to Hill & Knowlton in the form of fees.74

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In addition to Republican notables like Gray and Fuller, Hill & Knowlton maintained a well-connected stable of in-house Democrats who helped develop the bipartisan support needed to support the war. Lauri Fitz-Pegado, who headed the Kuwait campaign, had previously worked with super-lobbyist Ron Brown representing Haiti's Duvalier dictatorship. Hill & Knowlton senior vice-president Thomas Ross had been Pentagon spokesman during the Carter Administration. To manage the news media, H&K relied on vice-chairman Frank Mankiewicz, whose background included service as press secretary and advisor to Robert F. Kennedy and George McGovern, followed by a stint as president of National Public Radio. Under his direction, Hill & Knowlton arranged hundreds of meetings, briefings, calls and mailings directed toward the editors of daily newspapers and other media outlets.

http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html

Say it ain't so Joe.

Can't-It's so.

[Octafish]

71. Figures a cartoonist wrote that.

Outstanding work.



The Truth.

[XanaDUer]

72. Kick! For an excellent post.

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[Disturbed]

73. Gulf War 1.

A good example how the Amerikan people can be duped into a war. Even today, it is a good bet that a majority of Amerikans still believe that war was 100% just.

[chlamor]

74. Ignorance of what is just is no excuse for obeying the law

[Octafish]

76. U.S. Insiders Say Iraq Intel Deliberately Skewed

Mehr licht from last year:

U.S. Insiders Say Iraq Intel Deliberately Skewed

Fri May 30, (2004) 7:18 PM ET
By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A growing number of U.S. national security professionals are accusing the Bush administration of slanting the facts and hijacking the $30 billion intelligence apparatus to justify its rush to war in Iraq(news - web sites).

A key target is a four-person Pentagon (news - web sites) team that reviewed material gathered by other intelligence outfits for any missed bits that might have tied Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) to banned weapons or terrorist groups.

This team, self-mockingly called the Cabal, "cherry-picked the intelligence stream" in a bid to portray Iraq as an imminent threat, said Patrick Lang, a former head of worldwide human intelligence gathering for the Defense Intelligence Agency, which coordinates military intelligence.

The DIA was "exploited and abused and bypassed in the process of making the case for war in Iraq based on the presence of WMD," or weapons of mass destruction, he added in a phone interview. He said the CIA (news - web sites) had "no guts at all" to resist the allegedly deliberate skewing of intelligence by a Pentagon that he said was now dominating U.S. foreign policy.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) counterterrorist operations, said he knew of serving intelligence officers who blame the Pentagon for playing up "fraudulent" intelligence, "a lot of it sourced from the Iraqi National Congress of Ahmad Chalabi."

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http://www.veteransforpeace.org/US_insiders_say_053103.htm

[Octafish]

77. Corporate McPravda put on its war face.

Corporate Media and War...

Bush and Iraq: Mass Media, Mass Ignorance

by Jeff Cohen, CommonDreams.org, 12/1/03

That half or more Americans think Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack -- perhaps the most media-covered event in our history -- stands as a horrific indictment of U.S. media today. Such levels of ignorance can't be found in other countries.

Americans who are fundamentally misinformed about 9/11 provide the bulk of those tallied in polls as supporting Bush and the Iraq war. Subtract them from polls and Bush is an unpopular president -- widely seen as having accomplished a bait and switch, redirecting U.S. anger and vengeance toward a country that did not attack us.

The run-up to the Iraq war offers a case study in news bias: how mainstream media, especially television, were incapable of getting the truth out in the face of administration lies and innuendo about Iraq's 9/11 role and weapons of mass destruction.

Among experts internationally, there had been much debate and many doubts about Iraq being an imminent WMD threat. But there was little debate among the handpicked weapons "experts" who dominated U.S. television coverage in the build up to war -- and most of what they told us has turned out to be wrong. A media furor erupted over fictionalization in news accounts by New York Times reporter Jayson Blair, but not about the more momentous reporting -- illusory and scarily overstated -- by Times star Judith Miller on WMDs, both before and after the Iraq invasion.

News outlets ideologically allied with Bush have been happy to assist in confusing the public about who had attacked us on 9/11 and in morphing our enemy from Al-Qaeda to Iraq. The Fox News Channel runs its "War on Terror" banner whether discussing Afghanistan or Iraq. Other outlets promoted the Saddam/911 confusion less out of ideology than ineptitude -- during a live, pre-war news conference at which the chief of Homeland Security described new terrorist threats from Al-Qaeda, MSNBC ran its banner: "Showdown with Saddam."

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http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/mediawar.htm#massignorance

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75. Neglecting Intelligence, Ignoring Warnings

A chronology of how the Bush Administration repeatedly and deliberately refused to listen to intelligence agencies that said its case for war was weak

January 28, 2004
Updated January 29, 2004
Download:  DOC,  PDF,  RTF

Former weapons inspector David Kay now says Iraq probably did not have WMD before the war, a major blow to the Bush Administration which used the WMD argument as the rationale for war. Unfortunately, Kay and the Administration are now attempting to shift the blame for misleading America onto the intelligence community. But a review of the facts shows the intelligence community repeatedly warned the Bush Administration about the weakness of its case, but was circumvented, overruled, and ignored. The following is year-by-year timeline of those warnings.

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http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=24889

PS: Thank you, XanaDUer. Your giving a damn makes my day.

[XanaDUer]

79. Smile

:)

[chlamor]

80. history repeats

and sometimes the names don't change. For a thorough reading and the entire transcript of April Glaspies' duplicitous discussion w/Saddam check out:

Beyond the Storm: A Gulf Crisis Reader
by Edward W. Said (Foreword), Phyllis Bennis (Editor), Michel Moushabeck (Editor)



Editorial Reviews

From Publishers Weekly
The editors of this collection of 30 essays have assembled a distinguished cast of dissenting voices, from American democratic socialists like Barbara Ehrenreich to former Arab League ambassador to the U.N. Clovis Maksoud. Said's foreword, which is forthright and even-handed, notes that ignorance runs deep on both sides (the U.S. and the Arab world), and that nowhere in the Gulf region is there serious academic study of the U.S. Several other essays stand out. Bennis ( From Stones to Statehood: The Palestinian Uprising ) argues convincingly that the U.N. essentially served as a rubber stamp for U.S. policy. Israeli activist Stanley Cohen offers a particularly insightful and compassionate evaluation of the reaction of the Israeli peace movement to the war. Even more useful is Laura Flanders's thoughtful dissection of the role of the media, with a telling description of the abdication of responsibility by television journalists who allowed themselves to become cheerleaders for administration policy. A comprehensive chronology is included, as is the text of salient U.N. resolutions. Moushabeck is Middle East editor at Olive Branch.
Copyright 1991 Reed Business Information, Inc.

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