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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:01 AM
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Franklin Credit Union Scandal - OMG Is this for real???
I can't even wrap my mind around this at the moment. I came across this story while reading reviews of Kitty Kelley's book on the Bush family.

In 1989, a scandal broke over a child-sex ring operated by a man named Larry King (not the TV host). He flew enslaved children across the country to attend sex parties for the country's elite. The people involved included members of Congress and figures in the White House. When the scandal broke, law enforcement officials were enlisted not to prosecute these crimes, but rather to crush any attempts at an investigation.

Other bizarre details include kidnapping children, mind-control, murder, and a CIA operation called MK-Ultra. It's really, really disturbing.

Is this for real??

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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:06 AM
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1. Check out the movie...
"Conspiracy of Silence" aboot Larry King and the children.
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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:16 AM
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2. I saw it a just few hours ago.
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 08:25 AM by RubyCat
The audio was pretty bad in the version I saw, but I was able to understand about 90% of what was said.

I had the same feeling of dread that you get from watching certain horror movies.

The text in the Ted Gunderson link is bone-chilling.

Here's a link to the movie:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:20 AM
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3. So are all Republican operatives, perverts
or are all perverts, Republican operatives?

That's what happens when you try to repress the normal human expression of our sexuality. It gets expressed anyway, just in more inappropriate ways.

What a sick bunch of MFers
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:23 AM
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4. Isn't this the scandal Poppy Bush was involved in?
I don't have time to read the links right now.
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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:36 AM
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5. Yeah. Here's an excerpt from... of the links I included above. Poppy likes black boys named "Brent" huh?


The book, "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography" (1986), states that in 1985, Eulice (Lisa) Washington, told Youth Care Worker, Julie Walters, as documented in her Department of Social Services March 25,1986 report, that Larry King ran a massive child sex, homosexual, and pornography industry. She described how beginning in tenth grade, she had been taken by plane by Larry King, with other youths, to be used as a child prostitute at parties in Washington, Chicago, and New York. Lisa said that at these parties, she sat "looking pretty and innocent" and guests could engage in any sexual activity they wanted except penetration.

Lisa named Vice President George Bush as in attendance at least twice, according to Walters report. Lisa said she had first met Mr. Bush at the Dallas 1984 Republican Convention.

She also saw Vice President George Bush , Sr., at a party in Chicago in September or October of 1984, accompanied by two large white males. Walters report states; "She indicates that she set on a table at the party while wearing nothing but a negligee. She stated that George Bush saw her on the table. She stated she saw Vice President George Bush pay King money, and that Bush left the party with a nineteen year old black boy named Brent." According to the Chicago Tribune of October 31, 1984, George Bush, Sr., was in Illinois campaigning for congressional candidates at the end of October, 1984.

Walters report indicates that Lisa said she saw George Bush, Sr., again at a party hosted by Larry King in Washington, D.C., in which there were no women, only men perfectly made-up to look like women, older men and men in their younger twenties. She said she saw sodomy committed at those parties.

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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:40 AM
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6. Supposedly it is.
And some of the victims recall seeing poppy Bush at their parties.

I wouldn't be surprised. I live in a Republican enclave and many of my female friends were sexually molested by their upright, Mormon relatives, whether it be their father, uncle or grandfather or all of the above. You wouldn't believe how many women I've known in this town who were sexually abused as children. It is scary.

A sweet woman I worked with several years ago was devastated when she found out her brother-in-law had been molesting her daughter for years. Incest is quite prelavant here. Fucking sick bastards. This is what becomes of oppressing our most basic instinct.
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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:52 AM
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9. The Frugal Gourmet was a minister
Jeff Smith, the Frugal Gourmet, was accused of child molestation himself, years before the pedophile priests scandal broke, and it cost him his show on PBS.

He looked like such a nice guy -- how in the world could anyone possibly know?

This Larry King scandal is far more than just pedophelia though. Here's another excerpt from the above article:

Bonacci told me that when he was 10 to 14 years old, he was used as a decoy in malls, parks, etc., to lure other children his age near an automobile so the adult members could grab the victims and force them into the car. Paul and another youth would then jump on the victims and place a chloroform cloth over their mouth and nose. The victims would be taken to a secluded location and later auctioned off for up to $50,000.00 in Las Vegas, Nevada or Toronto, Canada. Bonacci advised me that the auction location in Nevada is approximately 50 miles north of Las Vegas on an air strip and that he saw children auctioned off, then placed in unmarked airplanes operated by foreigners with accents wearing turbans. Other children who were auctioned off were placed in campers after being drugged to ensure that they would be asleep in the event that the camper was stopped by the police. On one occasion, Bonacci recalled a DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) plane that was used to transport the children. Gunderson was later informed by a Michigan private investigator of an other missing child case that he had knowledge that a barn outside of Lincoln Nebraska was also used to auction off children on at least one occasion

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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:49 AM
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7. Recognize that these claims date from the height of the Day Care....
...ritual/satanic/sexual abuse panics (another treat fomented on the nation by loony fundies), when people were asking that if these child-porn/sex rings existed, why was there no physical evidence of it? In such a circumstance3 it's only a matter of time before someone proposes "a plot that goes right to the top!"

Bush41 has plenty to account for without indulging the wildest "how can we most scare ourselves" sex fantasies of the fundamentalist mental patients.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:15 AM
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14. Is this headline a "sex fantasy of fundamentalist mental patients"?
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:51 AM
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8. reminds me of the killing of the 2 federal cops in Mexico by the people,
they said the government won't investigate,and are involved in, the child kidnappings there
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:58 AM
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10. Docu "Conspiracy of Silence" was about to be aired on Discovery...

Conspiracy of Silence
The Documentary "They" Don't Want You to See
By Ted Gunderson
September 1, 2002

A True Story About Sex, Child Abuse, Murder and Drugs, Covered up By Authorities

Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3, 1994. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada and Toronto, Canada. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:02 AM
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11. Perverts. I bet Bill O'Reilly was there,

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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:12 AM
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13. They ought to invent a new sex toy for him.
It's a cross between a loofah and a falafel called "the Faloofah".
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:04 AM
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12. One of the unspeakable truths of the Bush family.
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 09:05 AM by Minstrel Boy
I blogged this about it a few months ago (links are active at the blog entry):

Why do people say such TERRIBLE things about the Bush Family?

I dunno - perhaps, just maybe, because they've done terrible things?

Kitty Kelley's forthcoming book The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty, could revist some of the clan's open and unspoken secrets, such as "alleged sex offenses against minors by Dubya's father." I say "revisit," but in fact this will be a new one for most Americans. Because no scandal in American history was disappeared more efficiently than that of the Franklin Credit Union. Despite the salacious mix of sex and violence in high places, few have ever heard of it. Why, I wonder, would that be?

In the 1980s, a man named Lawrence King launched a credit union in Omaha and quickly became one of the most prominent black Republicans in America. He sang the national anthem at two Republican National Conventions. He was a friend of powerful state and national figures, including billionaire Warren Buffett (Buffett hosted the King's 10th anniversary party and sat on the board of Franklin's parent company) and then-Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush.

King also happened to be an abusive paedophile, who ran an adolescent sex ring out of his office that enjoyed the protection of US security and intelligence apparatus, which exploited children lured from the neighbouring Boys' Town as both a honeytrap to blackmail vulnerable parties and as a reward for faithful assets.

King is serving 15 years for fraud, some of it related to Iran/Contra money laundering, and recently lost a million dollar lawsuit filed by Paul Bonacci, one of his former child prostitutes who took a midnight tour of the White House organized through the office of the Vice President. Judge Warren Urbom found that King

continually subjected the plaintiff to repeated sexual assaults, false imprisonment, infliction of extreme emotional distress, organized and directed satanic rituals, forced the plaintiff to "scavenge" for children to be a part of the defendant King's sexual abuse and pornography ring, forced the plaintiff to engage in numerous sexual contacts with the defendant King and others and participate in deviate sexual games and masochistic orgies with other minor children.

It seems too horrible to have happened. So - did it? Goddamn right it did. But Poppy mixed up with a child sex ring? The allegation is too outrageous to process. So the screen slides across the mind, and it's as though we never heard about it, let alone that it ever occured.

The Nebraska State legislature retained investigator Gary Caradori to sort through allegations of a paedophile ring run out of the Franklin Credit Union, which implicated not only some of the most powerful figures in the state, but high officials in Washington as well.

Caradori travelled to Chicago to gather testimony and evidence of a child prostitution ring which implicated senior Republicans both in the state and in DC, and operated with the knowledge of Vice President Bush (a number of the teens placed Bush at sex parties) and the protection of intelligence agencies, all tied to King's credit union. He'd taken along his young son, who wanted to see the 1990 All-Star Game.

Before returning to Nebraska, Caradori called the committee chief, Senator Loran Schmit, to say he had the smoking gun. "We've got them! There's no way they can get out of it now!" He would be bringing home photographic evidence supporting the fantastic though reluctant testimony of the victimized teens. En route, his small plane exploded in midair, killing both him and his son. A farmer witnessed a flash of light and heard an explosion. That report made the early news, but subsequent stories said the plane exploded on impact. The wreckage was removed to a military base and ruled an accident, though the cause was not determined. His briefcase was never recovered.

Though both Caradori and Schmit had received numerous death threats, Caradori believed they were in the clear. He'd assured the Senator "It's unlikely that they would kill you or me, Loran, because that would be too obvious. But then again, you never know." In the Nebraska statehouse later the day of Caradori's death, Schmit told reporters "There were a lot of people in this state who wanted to see Gary dead. They got their wish."

Former CIA Director William Colby was quietly hired by the Nebraska legislature's committee to look into the investigator's death. Colby warned his friend, author, lawyer and former State Senator John DeCamp to stay away, or he could end up dead as well, because "sometimes there are forces and events too big, too powerful."

Craig Spence might have concurred. Spence was a Republican Washington-based lobbyist and business associate of King who ran his own call-boy operation, and helped organize the after-hours White House tour. In The Washington Times of August 9, 1989, Spence "hinted the tours were arranged by top level" persons, including Vice President Bush's National Security Advisor Donald Gregg, whose name also figures prominently in the October Surprise story. The Times adds that "Spence, according to friends, was also carrying out homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA."

Spence might have concurred. He was found dead in a hotel in Boston four months after the call-boy story broke, his death ruled a suicide.

And what about Bush, besides the High Weirdness of his office rewarding adolescent prostitutes with a midnight White House tour? From DeCamp's The Franklin Cover-Up, recounting the testimony of Nelly Patterson Webb:

Nelly first brought up (GHW) Bush in 1986, when she told Julie Walters about the sex parties she was flown to in Washington and Chicago. She saw Bush at two of these parties, she said, one in each city.

Nelly also told Walters that one frequent party-goer with King was a boy named 'Brent,' the one who was 'flown to another city somewhere' after a falling out with King. Walters did not have the time to cross-check this information with the life of Brandt Thomas, the Boys Town resident who had moved in with Larry King. Franklin credit union files contained a letter signed by King, in his capacity as Youth Affairs Committee advisor for the National Black Republican Council, listing Thomas as one of two national contact people for NBRC campus chapters.

Three years later, with an investigation of abuse by King and the Webbs finally underway, Nelly was interviewed again. Speaking to Franklin committee detective Jerry Lowe, she repeated her account of the Chicago party, and said that Bush and the two men he arrived with appeared to have left the affair with a young black man she called 'Bandit.'...

Bush's name surfaced again in Lowe's May 1989 review of reports by Thomas Vlahoulis from the state attorney general's office: "both Kimberly and Nelly brought up the name of George Bush and indicated that they had both met him." There is a psychologist in Omaha who used to work for the CIA. In response to a direct question by an Omaha psychiatrist regarding George Bush's private life, this psychologist reported hearing rumors when Bush was head of the CIA, that correspond directly with the inferences made by Nelly Webb, and commented to the psychiatrist, 'But how do you investigate your boss?'"

And from the "Omaha" chapter of Webster Tarpley's unauthorized (no kidding) biography of Poppy:

Sound crazy? Not to Steve Bowman, an Omaha businessman who is compiling a book about the Franklin money and sex scandal. 'We do have some credible witnesses who say that "Yes, George Bush does have a problem.".... Child abuse has become one of the epidemics of the 1990s,' Bowman told GQ....

Mrs. Julie Walters, now a housewife in the Midwest, confirmed that in 1986 she had interviewed the alleged child prostitute, Lisa, who told her about Mr. Bush. Lisa and her sister Tracey were temporarily living at the time in the home of Kathleen Sorenson, another foster parent. Mrs. Walters explained that at first she was very surprised. But Lisa, who came from a very underprivileged background with no knowledge of political affairs, gave minute details of her attendance at political meetings around the country."

From Julie Walters' 50-page handwritten report:

3/25/86. Met with Kathleen and Lisa for about 2 hours in Blair questioning Lisa for more details about sexual abuse.... Lisa admitted to being used as a prostitute by Larry King when she was on trips with his family. She started going on trips when she was in 10th grade. Besides herself and Larry there was also Mrs. King, their son, Prince, and 2-3 other couples. They traveled in Larry's private plane, Lisa said that at these trip parties, which Larry hosted, she sat naked 'looking pretty and innocent' and guests could engage in any sexual activity they wanted (but penetration was not allowed) with her.... Lisa said she first met V.P. George Bush at the Republican Convention (that Larry King sang the national anthem at) and saw him again at a Washington, D.C. party that Larry hosted. At that party, Lisa saw no women ('make-up was perfect--you had to check their legs to make sure they weren't a woman').

Why do people say such terrible things about the Bush family? I dunno. Perhaps, just maybe, they're all lying.

But the great privilege of respectable men is the license to commit outrageous crimes, because to allege them capable of such acts is, to many, inconceivable.

Say, that reminds me - ever heard of Margie Schoedinger?

For more regarding the Franklin story, see this archive of articles pertaining to the Franklin Cover-Up.


The Franklin Credit Union Sex Ring Scandal

George Bush, The CIA, Mind Control & Child Abuse

The Washington Child-Sex Ring Cover-Up

Amazon link to John DeCamp's The Franklin Cover-Up.

To download a pirated copy of Yorkshire Television's documentary of the Franklin case, Conspiracy of Silence, and to read how it was kept off American television, go here.
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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:37 AM
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15. That explains Bush Sr's cozy relationship with the Saudi's
So it's not about oil or money -- they're partners in pedophilia. Bush knows that they know his secret. They probably have solid evidence and can bring him down whenever they want to.


On January 28, 2003, amid the furor of the impending war with Iraq the British press briefly reported on Operation Ore, the most thorough and comprehensive police investigation of crimes against children before being squashed by the Blair government. Besides implicating Rock guitarist Peter Townsend of the Who, the report claimed that senior members of Tony Blair's government were being investigated for pedophilia and the "enjoyment" of child-sex pornography. With the investigation reaching to senior members of his Government, Blair declared a news blackout on the story.
Moreover, the British report was not the first such case reported. In fact, it followed on the heels of a report from Portugal. On November 27, 2002, the press reported a scandal of pedophile ring run from a state orphanage. The Guardian reported that the scandal threatened to engulf diplomats, media personalities and senior politicians. Photographs of senior government officials with young boys from Lisbon's Casa Pia orphanage were among the evidence. More shocking however, were the revelations that systematic sexual abuse of children at the home had allegedly been going on for more than 20 years and had been known to police and other authorities for most of that time.

On January 14, 2002, Insight Magazine reported the charges leveled by Ben Johnson against his employer Dyncorp, a major defense contractor. Johnson charged that officials and employees of Dyncorp were engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior and were purchasing illegal weapons, women, forged passports and participating in other immoral acts. Johnson had witnessed his supervisors and fellow employees buying 12- to 15-year-olds as sex slaves.

While prostitution is the worlds oldest profession, the global sex trade is big business. The impact of illegal immigrant traffic in Canada is estimated at between $120 million to $400 million per year accounting for approximately 8,000 to 16,000 people arriving in Canada per year illegally. The estimate is from Organized Crime Impact Study, prepared for the Solicitor General of Canada. The majority of the illegal immigrants are forced into prostitution and come from Vietnam and China. Once smuggled into Canada the young girls are sold into bondage throughout a North America network. Moreover, Canada is not alone. Young Russians and Ukrainian women that wish to immigrate to Israel are often smuggled into the country destitute and at the mercy of their pimp.

More disgusting is the role the United States government plays in facilitating this global sex trade. Instead of banning the previously mentioned Dyncorp from further defense contracts, the regime of George W Bush rewards it in granting major contracts for the Iraqi war. Even more shameful is the wink and nod the state department grants the Saudis. The Arabian Peninsula has long been known to be purchasers of slaves. Mostly the slaves came from India or Africa however, with the advent of the oil wealth the Saudis have became more selective and are known as high-end buyers. The Saudi Arabian Government continues to refuse to sign the United Nations treaty on slavery and extradition treaties. There have been several incidents in the past where the media has reported a slave of a Saudi prince brought into the United States escaped. The State Department then intervenes and returns the escaped slave to the Saudi prince and the incident forgotten. The State Department exempts the Saudi princes from normal custom procedures. A child slave bought by a Saudi prince can be delivered to his plane and allowed to depart without the required passport for the child. One fortunate victim that became entangled in the Saudi sex ring was the former Miss USA Shannon Marketic. She had been lured to Saudi Arabia by what she believed was legitimate modeling work. Being a high profile case she was returned to the United States and filed suit. The former Miss USA lost her lawsuit as the State department granted immunity to her abductors.

Many of the pictures of the young children peering out from posters and milk cartons that have disappeared in the United States have fallen victim to this global sex trade.

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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:29 PM
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16. Perhaps this is the motivation for the Chimps ...

Perhaps this is what brought about the Chimp's bizarre references to ending "human trafficking". It was a pre-emptive strike against anyone checking on the Bush clans trail.

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