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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:23 PM
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OK , MEDIA WHORES: ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS - IF YOU DARE
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 12:17 AM by TruthIsAll
These are PAPER BALLOT states:
AZ LA MI IA NM ME NV AR MO IL

HERE ARE THE EXIT POLL AVERAGES FOR THESE STATES:
Exit poll
.....Kerry Bush
2pm 48.50 50.50
4pm 48.70 50.20
Final vote: Kerry 48.50, Bush 50.70

Not much change, right?
The EXIT POLLS did just fine, right?

Now check this out.

These are the NON-PAPER BALLOT states:
PA OH FL MN NC CO

HERE ARE THE EXIT POLL AVERAGES FOR THESE STATES:
Exit poll
.....Kerry Bush
2pm 53.50 45.88
4pm 51.50 47.63

Final: Kerry 48.38 Bush 50.75. The numbers get turned around for Bush. In fact, they look just like the final 51-48 result.

What happened here? Bush was losing in these very critical states.
But then the EXIT POLLS started to change, unlike those in the paper ballot states in which the exit poll percentages held constant and were EXTREMELY ACCURATE until the polls closed.

STATES WITHOUT PAPER BALLOTS ALL STARTED TO MOVE FROM KERRY TO BUSH! HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN?

SHOW THIS TO THE TALKING HEADS. LET BLITZER AND RATHER AND BROKAW EXPLAIN HOW THE EXIT POLLS WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN THE PAPER-BALLOT STATES AND ABSOLUTELY WRONG IN THE NON-PAPER BALLOT STATES.

THESE JUST HAPPENED TO BE THE MOST CRITICAL STATES OF ALL, THE STATES THAT BUSHCO HAD TO STEAL.

BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY COULD NEVER WIN A FAIR ELECTION.
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PotatoBoy Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:25 PM
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1. Your analysis might be biased
In order to be a fair analysis, include other states that were electronic based (such as CA).
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:28 PM
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4. I can only speak for my own county in CA
but we were allowed to request paper ballots. More to the point, the * empire did not attempt to steal CA; they only did so in the states they abosolutely needed and had some chance of winning. They're not so stupid or reckless(yet) to try to steal a state like CA or New York.
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PotatoBoy Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:31 PM
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6. Wow.. good for you!
That's great that you could request paper! Damn straight.. I would've too if they asked me "paper or electronic?" I am in IL..it's paper here.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:35 AM
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16. These are the battleground states. CA was an easy Dem state.
The REpukes had no designs on CA; they knew they could not steal it.

That is why, for the analysis we must look at the battleground states (particularly OH, FL) which are BBV states.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:25 PM
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2. Thank you for putting this into
this format. It's very easy to understand. I hope you are blasting it everywhere.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:26 PM
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3. bang a gong!!! This is fecked up!!!
:kick:
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BayStateBoy Donating Member (562 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:30 PM
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5. Exit Polls Closely Correlated with Tallies except in BBV States
This has been known for some days.

Destroys arguments that exit polls were biased, inaccurate, etc.

I sent this information along with graphics to Olbermann yesterday.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:33 PM
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7. we know in nm and tex there were machines
that when vote to straight dem, recorded votes to all dems but presidential. that went to bush
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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:36 PM
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8. Very compelling evidence indeed. Why does the media not care?
Democracy is slipping away and nobody is getting on it! We must shout this louder, for if we just surrender again this year we will never, EVER get a fair election, and 2008 might be too late to fight.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:37 PM
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9. Wisconsin uses paper ballots
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:53 PM
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10. Sorry about that. My error. WI should be out of the group.
tia
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:00 AM
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11. Voted in Wisconsin on a paper ballot
counted by an optical scanner. The tallies in the scanners can be rigged, just like paper ballots.

Bush got 2.65% more votes in California this election.
He went up 5% in Conn. and 4-5% in *Mass*. He even went up in DC. What's that about?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:34 AM
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15. What it's about is increasing the popular vote to claim a "mandate"
It's so easy, like taking candy from a baby. Or so Rove told bush, you think?

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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:38 AM
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17. D'oh
a couple of points here, a couple of points there and it adds up to a "mandate."
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:08 AM
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12. Um, Kerry won Minnesota (MN) 51 to 47.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:15 AM
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13. Yes, he did, but the point of the post was that the margin
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 12:15 AM by TruthIsAll
declined from the initial exit polls, which had Kerry much further ahead in MN. They were stealing votes until they no longer needed them.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:31 AM
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14. Check out the graphs...
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:59 AM
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18. am kick
.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:04 AM
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19. The gif of it:
and remember, in Ohio kerry was leading with both men and women - but they must have oversampled them cus...W got it! Illinois was right, In 2000 exit polls were right for all the country except ...uh...Florida? In 2002 - they trashed them
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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:24 AM
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20. The flaw I see is that Ohio was tagged as an electronic voting state.
I think the majority of Ohio's counties use punch-card ballots, which I consider "paper."

Explain how Ohio is labeled an "electronic" voting state. If you can, then those stats have some legs on them.
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