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PotatoBoy Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:12 PM
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Can you guys educate me a bit on BBV.org vs BBV.com??
Hmmm... BBV.org says:

NOTE:
We are ".ORG."
BlackBoxVoting".COM"
is a deceptively
designed site,
not affiliated
with Bev Harris,
nor with
Black Box Voting Inc.

BBV.com says:

The Black Box Voting Project, Plan Nine Publishing and David Allen are no longer affiliated with Bev Harris, nor she with us. Though we continue to make the BBV book available and David Allen''s name appears on the book, any donation here is used to defray our expenses, not hers or her foundation. If you wish to help Bev out, please go to her web site, www.blackboxvoting.ORG .

This is confusing for a "beginner" like me. What the heck is this all about?? Who exactly are these people (both of them) and how credible are they? Please forgive my ignorance.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:15 PM
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1. the dot com guy is a stealth repug i think
distorting the truth, to confuse people like you who are just learning the truth now...

stick with dot org and do all you can to help Bev out, she needs $$$ and volunteers..
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:17 PM
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2. I thought they split over personal/financial reasons. stealth repub?
details please
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:05 AM
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16. This is a new smear
Originally I was supposed to be working for Diebold/ES&S et al.

I greatly resent being called a a Republican. As I posted below, I will compare my liberal credentials to Bev's any day.

I have been minding my business and ignoring Bev for weeks now, and then I started seeing this crap.
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PotatoBoy Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:20 PM
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4. Interesting...need more info
PLEASE don't flame me for this..people (namely, me) gotta start learning this stuff somewhere:

Is BBV.org a voter protection organization? What's their history? I was looking for an "about us" page on the site but didn't see one.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:23 PM
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6. Yes, .ORG is a voter protection group
Bev Harris used to be affiliated with the people at the .COM site but they have split. Her site is www.blackboxvoting.org and she currently has a thread posted here at DU explaining the research they are doing right now on the current election results. You might also take a look at www.verifiedvoting.org for info.
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PotatoBoy Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:25 PM
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7. Thanks, Stephanie..will check it out. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:52 PM
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9. RB, you're wrong about that.
Noone wishes Bev ill and noone SHOULD wish David ill.

I know David personally and he is as tough and fearless and honest as Dennis Kucinich. His only goal is justice, not profit. He risked ALOT to get BBV out there. He risked his freedom to gather some of that very important information on Diebold.

Don't let personality clashes cloud your judgement of either one when it comes to the importance of both of their efforts.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:10 AM
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10. Could you please show me one place on my site that
distorts the truth? Show me one place where I say anything nasty about Bev.

What you just said is libelous. I am getting just a tad annoyed with this crap, especially being called a "repug"

Tell you what. You go to my personal web site:

www.thoughtcrimes.org

where I have posted for the last two years. Please show me one post that would cause anyone to conclude I serve a conservative cause.

Now, visit this web site:

http://web.archive.org/web/19991112034903/http://www.ta...

It is one of Bev's early efforts.

Now, please, tell me who the "repug" is?

It is bad enough to be called a crook by Bev and her proxies over BBV, but I'll be DAMNED if they will question MY liberal credentials.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
www.blackboxvoting.com
Liberalism as a badge of honor!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:20 PM
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3. a mess best left in the past.
stick with .ORG if you're interested in helping Bev's work.

further discussion of that rift is likely to result in a locked thread... OK?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:21 PM
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5. Agreed. It was a real meltdown hullaballoo
------------------------------------------------------------------------
FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform...
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:41 PM
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8.  BBV.org vs BBV.com
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 03:54 PM by mcg
Doing a whois at networksolutions.com shows this:

blackboxvoting.org is registered by Bev Harris

blackboxvoting.com is registered by Plan Nine Publishing
I believe that Plan Nine published her book and there's a rift.

I donated to blackboxvoting.org
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:12 AM
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11. And there are disclaimers
on my site in THREE PLACES.

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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:22 AM
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12. I call BULLSHIT on this thread.
Don't feed the hate folks, please.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:26 AM
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13. The post asked a fair question. Why's Bev's site spew the deception..
lines.

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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:28 AM
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14. BULLSHIT. Spend a buck and get a star - do the research yourselves
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 01:29 AM by Melinda
and then contact the principles if you still wanna know more... this is BULLSHIT and we ALL know it. Keep this shit OFF DU.

"Beginner" my ass.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:32 AM
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15. Perhaps you should use your star first.
So, let's just post back and forth, and we'll keep this thread a-going.

But you didn't answer my question:

Why does Bev's site sport the "deception" allegation against plan9's site?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:07 AM
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17. Please explain the "bullshit" part
Why do you question this person's status as a newbie?
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:10 AM
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18. I don't. Check your inbox shortly.
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