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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:15 PM
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PLAME Indictments #16 TREASON- The Tip of Iceberg-Edmonds
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 12:19 PM by Pallas180
Our president is no more in favor of democracy than old King George was. We have two chances of kicking him out of power. The most obvious is the election in November. But there's also the Plame Indictments and Sibel Edmonds testimony. Either of which should lead
to criminal charges and High Crimes & Misdemeanors.

This is a criminal outfit. There are now numerous "upper class" people organizing to hold this administration liable for their crimes. It's not just democrats hoping to reclaim the presidency in 2004. It's a wide range of citizens who know that Bush and Cheney intend to fully destroy the constitutional democracy.

We, you and I, are that grass-roots democratic power.

Our primary job is to continue to educate the public, pressure Congress through our letters, faxes and phone calls, register voters, and increase participation in those treasures defined by the Bill of Rights.

While thousands of us on the internet truly know the danger this country is on the verge of, millions who are not on the internet have no idea of the neo-con/PNAC One World Government and destruction
of our Freedoms through the Patriot Act.

Here's an easy way to work to spread the message about the Plame Indictments, Sibel Edmonds' and the High Crimes and Misdemeanors committed by elected officials and their appointees in this administraton:

Become ACTIVELY involved in educating the American public without drawing attention to yourself. You can spread the word of our Government's deception and betrayal from one citizen to another without any personal exposure.

Here's how:

Make ten copies of these "letters" and leave them in a public place where someone else will find it and read it. Ideal locations for maximum exposure include book stores, copy shops, libraries and train stations. Buses, taxis, laundromats, and check-out lines at the grocery store. Hair salons, rest rooms, gas stations and convenience stores. Anywhere you happen to be will work just fine. Do this every week from now until November.

Here'a sample flyer you can just happen to leave everywhere you
visit (just cut and paste into "Word" and print) and you'll know you've done your part to help protect America from the most destructive force that has ever occupied our government:



SAMPLE FLYER

COVER-UP OF TREASON

Time magazine's Joe Klein's July 5 article, page 21 revealed that Valerie Plame was "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of Weapons of Mass Destruction components"" when her identity was exposed by the White House. It also said" Only a high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge" that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent.

1) Our study group has found in news records that Vice President Cheney since 1995 as CEO of Halliburton was fined 1.2 milion dollars for illegal sales of dual use nuclear components to Libya. Shortly before becoming Vice President he bitterly assailed US policy against selling such components to Syrria and Iran, which apparently hurt Halliburton's bottom line.

2) Our study group has also learned that there is an investigation of Vice President Cheney in other countries for illegal bribery and various other offenses connected to Halliburton as well as his paying hundreds of thousands to secret Swiss bank accounts

3)The Atomic Energy Commission has said a North American company is one of 20 being investigated for black market sales of WMD materials.

Our study group suspects there is more to the White House revealing Valerie Plame's covert CIA status since the Republicans refuse to hold investigations on the Plame matter.

Attorney General Ashcroft has also put a gag order on FBI translator Sibel Edmonds and her testimony to the 911 Commission concerning knowledge of officials prior to 911. She has said: if what she knows is revealed, it could lead to charges of treason being leveled against elected officials at top levels of the U.S. government,
"Certain elected officials will stand trial and go to prison."

If what Sibel Edmonds says is accurate, then all those who have been involved in keeping this information from getting to the public are complicit in coverup and this treason. The same thing that brought Nixon down.

Frankly, it would appear to us that possibly Valerie Plame was stopped in her tracks and the CIA sting operation was exposed because it was coming close to discovering other violations of U.S. laws which restricted sales of nuclear components to many other Middle East and Asian countries, including Pakistan, by our own Vice President and the Hallibuton company he has awarded billions of US taxpayer dollars to in non-bid contracts.

There is a question of where the Vice President's and President's loyalty lies: to their Corporate friends and companies' bottom line or to the Constitution and laws of the United States and the security and wellbeing of the American people?

In any case, the exposure of Valerie Plame by the White House was and is treasonous. AQshcroft should take the gag order off Sibel Edmonds so that the American citizens can know the truth.

The responsibility of the Media and Congress is to expose these wrong doings, investigate and safeguard this country against this type of obstruction and threat for the American people.

We want to know WHY Congress and the Justice Department are not fulfilling your role to me, and the rest of the American people in this country and WHEN will you start ?

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if we don't communicate to them by letter and fax that we the American public know about it; they won't be pushed to indict and bring criminal charges.

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use it to tell them what you think about their failure to allow Edmonds to talk and to investigate Cheney/Halliburton sales of WMD components across the world, endangering America and the world.


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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:22 PM
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1. THEORY ON THE WHY Plame>Cheney>Halliburton>Illegal WMD Trade
"WHY" THEORY PLAME>CHENEY>HALLIBURTON>ILLEGAL WMD TRADE

A THEORY ON THE WHY - Plame -> Cheney->Halliburton

On my way home today, as I thought about the why the outing of Valerie Plame was necessary, I was so engrossed I drove 4 exits past my exit.

Here's what we know:

1) Valerie Plame was "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of Weapons of Mass Destruction components"" when her identity was exposed by the White House. It also said" Only a high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge" that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent.

2) Vice President Cheney since 1995 as CEO of Halliburton was fined 1.2 milion dollars for illegal sales of components to Libya which could be used for nuclear purposes. Shortly before becoming Vice President he bitterly assailed US policy against selling such components to Syrria and Iran, which apparently hurt Halliburton's bottom line.

3) There is an investigation of Vice President Cheney in other countries for illegal bribery and various other offenses connected to Halliburton as well as paying amounts to secret Swiss bank accounts

4)The Atomic Energy Commission has said a North American company is one of 20 being investigated for black market sales of WMD materials.

Here's the theory:

Valerie Plame was stopped in her tracks and the biggest treasonous taboo of revealing a CIA sting operation was done because she/it was coming close to discovering even more serious violations of the laws against trading nuclear materials with certain countries by our own Vice President and the Hallibuton company he has awarded billions of US taxpayer dollars to in non-bid contracts after he became VP.

Recently Libya was accused of having WMD components and the US threat
ened to invade unless Quaddaffi gave the WMD components to the US.
Bush 2 was seen on TV this week inspecting the cases of returned materials from Iraq triumphantly. The fact that Quaddafi received these illegal shipments of components from Cheney/Halliburton was not
mentioned in the victory video.

Dick Cheney, even after the Senate Intel Committee, The Atomic Commission and numerous other agencies have said no WMD exist in Iraq,
insists Iraq has WMD even in the last week.

Why? Because Dick Cheney knows he, through an offshore Halliburton company with a PO Box, at some time in the past sold Saddam Hussein WMD or components of WMD. In the same way "they" under Bush 1 adminstration sold Hussein lethal gas which he used, and then attacked him for using it saying he was a threat to the community.

Why do Cheney and Bush insist they must attack Syrria and Iran as the next step in making the world safe and that Syrria and Iran have
WMD? Cheney-Halliburton know that Syrria and Iran have WMD components because Cheney illegally sold the WMD components to Syrria and Iran.

Why did Bush Cheney know that North Korea had WMD and where did they gget the components?

Why were Pakistan and India able to test and develop nuclear weapons undetected by the CIA's "big eye in the sky" or any agency's seismic
discovery? And where did India and Pakistan purchase the components
for WMD which were illegal for any company to sell them?

What was Valerie Plame investigating?


good spooks vs the bad spooks in the FBI and CIA becomes very confusing to most, I think.



Not to add confusion to my "theory " above, but I also thought:

When Saudi Arabia asked Junior and Company to get out of Saudi Arabia
afer we had built a monstrous and expensive base armed with the newest weaponry - one might call it a home base -why would they do that, when they had wanted US to protect them and their oil fields for years???

The reason given for asking us to vacate was to calm the anti-American element. Hmmm. But if they needed our protection from that very element, WHY would they ask their protector to leave.
BECAUSE they "likely" also received WMD from certain parties.

So now, we can guess, the entire Middle East is armed with illegal components of WMD...supplied by whom?hmmm

And I agree with you ROBERTPAULSEN- it's a great racket. Supply them
with the components, collect payment. Shuttle back and forth between
private employment and government employment, selling WMD for your company's bottom line while a private CEO, earning large bonuses and
deferred "payment" plus increased stock option value, go back into government, create a war on those countries who have the WMD you have sold them, then you have created a situation where your company and the other companies you hold stock in, or which belong to your other associates, can supply the army with munitions, destroy the country you have sold WMD to, and then the very same companies who supplied the munitions for destruction, go in and rebuild the country.


So. Now how many times have you profiteered?
1) illegal selling of WMD
2) earn bonus, increase value of stock options
3) Supply Army Munitions on no bid contracts
4) Rebuild the country on no bid contracts



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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-25-04 03:22 PM
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56. PALLAS THEORY - WHY BRIT INTEL WONT SHOW THEIR EVIDENCE


everyone is assuming that the Brit Intel is the same Intel that the
CIA had. (on yellowcake)

You're right about one thing...the intel agencies all share their info.BUT you are forgetting that the French have been investigating CHeney Halliburton illegalities for some time, and Cheney Halliburton
did not sell yellowcake (to our knowledge), they sold equipment that could be used for dual use - and one of the uses was for a nuklar bomb.

So there is nothing to say that the Brit Intel was the same Niger info.In fact it may not be.

WHY would they not share with the world what information they had about Iraq having WMD? And why have they suddenly changed their mindsagain saying it was bogus after all - after insisting for 1 1/2 years they had separate proof of Iraq having WMD?

Theory: because it would cause a great deal of embarrassment to "he who calls himself president of VICE ! !! a-ha!

Could be one of Halliburton's subsidiaries or offshores, whose name and connection was not recognized immediately was in the hands of Brit Intel so they said they had separate verifying proof of WMD in Iraq - only to realize the proof traced back to a company named Halliburton or Brown Root - and so they shut up. (TOP SECRET - CANNOT BE REVEALED, of course while every intel agency in the world knows, but the general public date not know becaue we would hang the perpetrator)

Highly plausible . First they say they have proof of WMD in Iraq.but refuse to show it.......now they suddenly say the proof is bogus - and still refuse to reveal it.



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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-25-04 03:23 PM
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57. H20 THEORY - RECAP


H2O Man (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-17-04 02:01 PM




We know that Valerie Plame was involved in a sting operation involving the components for WMDs. This is verfied in J. Klein's article in Time, 7-5-04. Remember also that when Novak called CI for confirmation of Plame's status -- and Robert NoFacts had told a total stranger on a public street on the day afterWilson's NYT op-ed article that she was a WMD specialist -- the CIA requested that he not only should NOT mention Wilson's wife was an operative with the Agency, but that her name should not ever be printed.

One of the things to keep in mind is that by revealing Plame's identity, it insured that at very least, a half-dozen operatives (American and other-wise) were exposed to the last people on earth that they should have been exposed to. Let's just say, for example, that there was a person who was working in the Pakistan area ... and he had worked in deep cover for over a decade, and was very, very close to accessing information on the sale of not only technology, but also components, that went to Iran .... and he had a known link to Plame .... then he would be dead 24 hours after Novak's article was printed. Further, no one in the USA would be at liberty to discuss the fact that he existed.

You will recall that I've referred to this as high stakes chess. A board game where the removal of one player compromises the safety and value of several others.

Listen: if they wanted to call Wilson's conclusions into question, they could create confusion with a series of bullshit documents from England, etc. They could have said that his was one of three US reports, and that there were the British papers that were still open to question, considering that Wilson had not viewed them. They could have even said, yes, we tend to agree with Wilson.

But they didn't. They had been waiting to reveal information on Plame for some time. The fact that Iran is sharing he focus in the recent days, along with Wilson, is a clue .... a big clue.



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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-25-04 03:24 PM
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58. CALIMARY THEORY RECAP


Pallas180 (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-17-04 05:43 PM


71. I am convinced Valerie Plame was the target, & they thought
they would do a 'Rosenberg' on them. Two for the price of one.
Set them up.Traitors to the country, electric chair, the whole bit.




calimary (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-17-04 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #71

143. That would fit in conveniently with the message they evidently wanted to put out to the intel community: the "do not cheney with us" message. Wilson has, many times, mentioned that what happened to his wife, whether to her directly or indirectly to him, was to seriously discourage others from getting "out of line." Wouldn't that just be the decisive little coup de grace - to "Rosenberg" one or both of them, to put a chill on anybody else who might be getting too dangerously close? If they knew they were not only going to be ruined, but they also faced the electric chair or some other kind of EXTREMELY final punishment, there'd be icicles hanging off all of them before you could say "BOO!"

And for awhile, they've seemed invincible, haven't they? So who would dare...

But things are a lot stickier and more complicated now. Their anticipated free ride is starting to get seriously mucked up as more people know, and talk, and spread out, and start asking questions, and some guy like Fitzgerald gets involved (who couldn't be counted on to be a "good" republi-CON after all. And, as someone else mentioned either here or on Thread 8 - they misunderestimated the internet. They thought we'd all just shut up and go to our corner and suck our thumbs and mope and cower and give up, didn't they? They didn't know we'd (literally, here) go underground...

As Martha Stewart would say - it's a VERY good thing. And it's gaining traction.

Which is what our efforts in all these arenas should do, as well. GAIN TRACTION.






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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-25-04 03:26 PM
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60. ROBERTPAULSEN THEORY HALLI>KHAN-OBL>PLAME>CHENEY


robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-19-04 07:22 PM
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234. WHOA!!! Could this be circumstantial evidence of a Khan/Plame link?!


When I first read this article, I decided to post it here because of the dirt it has on a Musharraf/Khan/Bin Laden connection.

A. Q. KHAN & OSAMA BIN LADEN

snip
These accounts of three of the travels of Dr.A.Q.Khan establish conclusively the following facts:

He had kept the Pakistani Foreign Office informed of his travels. The Foreign Office had instructed the Pakistani diplomatic missions in the countries visited by him to accord the due honours of protocol to him.
In all the countries, he was received by officers of the Pakistani diplomatic missions and entertained by the heads of missions.
In Sudan, he was accorded the honours of protocol generally given to a member of the Cabinet and called on the President of the country.
He was accompanied by senior serving scientists of Pakistan's nuclear establishment, who were among those responsible for Pakistan's military nuclear development. They could not have gone abroad and remained absent for days without the knowledge and clearance of the Government.
At least one Lt.Gen. belonging to the Pakistan Army's Medical Corps, who had headed it, and two Brigadiers had accompanied him. They could not have gone and remained away from the country without the knowledge and clearance of the Military Headquarters.
The uranium enriched at KRL, Kahuta, used to come from Africa, mainly Niger. This partly explains the frequent travels of A.Q.Khan to Africa. From the accounts given by the Pakistani author, two intriguing questions arise:

Why did Khan consider it necessary to visit the site of a factory in Sudan, which became the target of US Cruise missile attacks after the explosions outside the US Embassies in Nairobi and Dar-es-Salaam by Al Qaeda in August 1998? The Americans had alleged at that time that this factory belonged to Osama bin Laden and was producing chemicals for weaponisation purposes. Denying this, the Sudanese authorities had claimed that it was producing anti-malaria drugs.
Why was he visiting frequently Timbuktu, which has apparently no importance from the nuclear point of view? Pakistani officials have alleged that he had illegally constructed a hotel there ( Hotel La Colombe?) in the name of his wife. If he was going there to supervise the construction of the hotel, he should have been accompanied by experts in building construction and the hotel industry. No such person accompanied him. He was always accompanied by scientists and Army officers associated with KRL and Tahir Mian, who was helping him in the procurement of centrifuges.
It is reliably learnt from well-placed observers that it also came out during the recent interrogation of the associates of Khan in Pakistan's nuclear establishment that after Osama bin Laden shifted from Khartoum to Afghanistan in 1996, Dr.Khan was also looking after bin Laden's extensive investments in the mining industry in many African countries and that the money invested in the Timbuktu hotel had come from these investments of bin Laden. The Pakistani authorities have reportedly suppressed this information and not shared it with the US.

http://www.kashmirherald.com/featuredarticle/khanandbin ...

Sooooo....

Khan, with the assistance of the Pakistani government and military, looked after bin Laden investments in Africa. Pretty bad on its own merits. But then this sentence caught my eye.


The uranium enriched at KRL, Kahuta, used to come from Africa, mainly Niger. This partly explains the frequent travels of A.Q.Khan to Africa.


What a coincidence. The enriched uranium that Khan had access to came mainly from NIGER!

Now, when Cheney sent Wilson to Niger, wasn't he aware of Plame's WMD "sting operation" in the Middle East?!

No wonder Musharraf had this reaction:

"In one of his statements, he has even blamed the US intelligence agencies for not uncovering this network earlier than October last year and asserted that if they had done so, he would have acted against it even earlier."

I know this is not direct proof of a smoking gun, but I think this information could be an extremely important piece of the puzzle. If the WMD trafficking that Plame's "sting operation" covered is linked to Khan, who got his enriched uranium mainly from Niger, and we can verify Cheney had access to this intelligence, then we are getting even closer to H20 Man and Prouty's big question: why?



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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-25-04 03:30 PM
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62. ROBERTPAULSEN - CHENEY/KHAN TIE: MOTIVE TO OUT PLAME


We all know about the $1.2 million fine Cheney got for selling dual-use components. Going back over some of my old posts, here's another bit of dirt we should all remember:

Cheney helped cover-up Pakistani nuclear proliferation in '89 so US could sell country fighter jets

Tuesday, March 16 2004 @ 04:04 PM Eastern Standard Time
Jason Leopold
When Pakistan's clandestine program involving its top nuclear scientist selling rogue nations, such as Iran and North Korea, blueprints for building an atomic bomb was uncovered last month, the world's leaders waited, with baited breath to see what type of punishment George W. Bush would inflict upon Pakistan's President Pervez Musharaff. Bush has, after all, spent his entire term in office talking tough about countries and dictators that conceal weapons of mass destruction and even tougher on individuals who supply rogue nations and terrorists with the means to build WMD. For all intents and purposes, Pakistan and Musharraf fit that description.

Remember, Bush accused Iraq of harboring a cache of WMD, which was the primary reason he gave for the United States launching a preemptive strike on that country a year ago, and also claimed that Iraq may have given its WMD to al-Qaeda terrorists and/or Syria, weapons that, Bush said, could be used to attack the U.S. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and top members of the administration reacted with shock when they found out that Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistan's top nuclear scientist, spent the past 15 years selling outlaw nations nuclear technology and equipment. So it was sort of a surprise when Bush, upon finding out about Khan's proliferation of nuclear technology, let Pakistan off with a slap on the wrist. But it was all an act. In fact, it was actually a coverup designed to shield Cheney because he knew about the proliferation for more than a decade and did nothing to stop it.

Like the terrorist attacks on 9-11, the Bush administration had mountains of evidence on Pakistan's sales of nuclear technology and equipment to nations vilified by the U.S.?nations that are considered much more of a threat than Iraq?but turned a blind eye to the threat and allowed it to happen. In 1989, the year Khan first started selling nuclear secrets on the black-market; Richard Barlow, a young intelligence analyst working for the Pentagon prepared a shocking report for Cheney, who was then secretary of defense under the Bush I administration: Pakistan built an atomic bomb and was selling its nuclear equipment to countries the U.S. said was sponsoring terrorism. But Barlow's findings, as reported in a January 2002 story in Mother Jones magazine, were "politically inconvenient."

"A finding that Pakistan possessed a nuclear bomb would have triggered a congressionally mandated cutoff of aid to the country, a key ally in the CIA's efforts to support Afghan rebels fighting a pro-Soviet government. It also would have killed a $1.4-billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad," Mother Jones reported. Ironically, Pakistan, critics say, was let off the hook last month so the U.S. could use its borders to hunt for al-Qaeda leader and alleged 9-11 mastermind Osama bin Laden. Cheney dismissed Barlow's report because he desperately wanted to sell Pakistan the F-16 fighter planes. Several months later, a Pentagon official was told by Cheney to downplay Pakistan's nuclear capabilities when he testified on the threat before Congress. Barlow complained to his bosses at the Pentagon and was fired.

http://www.pakistan-facts.com/article.php/2004031621042 ...

That got me thinking about other facts surrounding the Plame scandal. Like the "sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components". When Khan's operation was exposed, everyone in the loop was caught with their pants down. Musharraf had to pardon Khan because as the father of the Pakistani atomic bomb, he is a national hero. Do you buy that as the real reason? That's like accepting the Bush misadministration's silence over the pardon because Pakistan is our ally in the War on Terror. Right. Reminds me of Michael Corleone in Godfather Part II: "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer".

My theory is that the sting operation Plame was involved in brought down A.Q. Khan. As far as "trafficking of WMD components" goes, Khan was a pretty huge player. My fear is that Khan was just the tip of the iceberg and that when Plame's operation was derailed, it allowed even bigger fish to swim away where Middle East WMD trafficking is concerned. Remember this about Musharraf:

"His repeatedly-asserted contention has been that after the interception by the intelligence agencies of the US and the UK of a ship in October last year which was found carrying to Libya a clandestine consignment of centrifuges for uranium enrichment got manufactured at the instance of A.Q.Khan by a company in Malaysia with the assistance of a Sri Lankan Muslim, he became aware of the extensive non-proliferation activities of the A.Q.Khan group and immediately acted against them.

According to Musharraf, details of the clandestine travels and proliferation network of A.Q. Khan came to notice during the subsequent investigation. In one of his statements, he has even blamed the US intelligence agencies for not uncovering this network earlier than October last year and asserted that if they had done so, he would have acted against it even earlier

http://www.kashmirherald.com/featuredarticle/khanandbin ...

If Plame was in on this sting, Musharraf certainly had a reason to voice disdain for the US intelligence agencies, and Cheney certainly had a reason to out Plame.



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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-25-04 03:32 PM
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63. Nuclear Walmart: Little Doubt that OBL has dirty bomb -


if you read Robert's post above carefully, you see that
Pakistani scientist Khan was running a Nuclear Walmart.

1)He sold the secrets of the nuclear bomb world wide. This is fact.
2)He had access to yellow cake by his trips to Africa/Niger
3)He was OBL's overseer of finances and properties, with the help
of the secret service ISI of Pakistan.

The ISI of Pakistan was also the supporter and installer of the TAliban in Afghanistan (and current protector/hider of OBL)

When Khan was exposed as the merchant of death ofa ring selling nuclear materials world wide, he was immediately pardoned by
Musharaf, PM of of Pakistan. Pardoned so fast that none of the US
Intel agencies would be able to question him.

WHY? H20 always tells us to ask WHY? Why was Khan immediately pardoned? Because to try him for criminality would have exposed
who gave him nuclear components, what corporations sold illegally,
what country and high officials were involved.

WHERE did Khan get the components which are necessary to set off
a nuclear device?

WHO? do we know who has illegally been selling nuclear dual components?

Some of these answers go back to the administration in 1988 when it
was known that administration gave other countries the miniaturized
nuke W88. Hmmmm. What current officials were in the same administration?

What was the name of the President at the time?



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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-25-04 03:35 PM
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64. Why go to the elaborate scenarios? to stop WMD investigations:


Subject: Why go to the elaborate scenarios: to stop investigations into WMD sales
Message:
Pallas180 (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-18-04 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #59

71. They're not called the Mayberry Machiavellis for nothing - I think

in a way it was the other way around, they weren't after Wilson, they were after Plame. Two for the price of one. Rosenberg them.

Cheney has been in govt since Nixon, that we know of, then Ford.
He's been around a long time with access to top security items.
To recap, we also knew he made at least 10 trips to CI HQ and would
have, could have, pinpointed who was working blackmarket WMD which
would have been of great interest to him. He would also have access
to CI files, would know of or remember Ambassador Wilson. Bingo -
the plot is hatched.

Ask her would her husband be interested in helping? Of course.
Discredit him, expose/discredit her operation and put a stop to her work and the work of the entire spy group/cell she had set up worldwide which MAY have been hot on the trail of Halliburton/Brown Root/et al illegal black market sales of components which could be used for WMD, which as we all know was Valerie's job.

He figures he's home free, no more fines, no discovery of the double dealing, but the Mayberrys call Novak and committ a treasonous act which leads right back to the WH and darth vader.

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Pallas180 (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-18-04 09:41 PM
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117. If Pappy gave the mini nuke W88 to China,as widely reported, there is nothing to say Pappy and darth vader didn't give the same or similar components to Khan. And your theory sounds just about right - Khan would have had to be pardoned immediately because not to pardon him, the good FBI would be over there asking him where he got the WMD and the arrow would point right back to the 1988 administration # 1 and/or the current WH.

Another reason why junior sealed Pappy's records.

Nice, huh. It still sounds like treason to me at the highest levels
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-18-04 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #117

138. Glad you agree!
The extent of treason is pretty scary. Gives me nightmares sometimes. I woke up this morning with the memory of seeing a news report: "Bush prepares for upcoming Iran invasion". That's one nightmare I'm afraid might come true.

But I take comfort in knowing we're all on the side of righteousness in this struggle

Additional edit for this thread: These theories are all different, but as far as I can see, they all fit into a pattern, like different pieces of the same jigsaw puzzle. I look forward to reading more research into these theories, as well as new theories that could give us a fresh perspective on the nature of this crime.


shraby (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-27-04 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #55

185. There is one more aspect


to the 1-2-3-4

5.The "criminals" re-Enter government from time to time and make sure laws and regulations are such that can be most profitable to them while they and/or their friends and associates are in the private sector.








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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:28 PM
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3. WHAT THE NEO CON ADMINISTRATION IS UP TO: Will Pitt
http://truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=1&num=53

February 2003


Blood Money
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Thursday 27 February 2003

"In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes."
- President Dwight Eisenhower, January 1961.

George W. Bush gave a speech Wednesday night before the Godfather of conservative Washington think tanks, the American Enterprise Institute. In his speech, Bush quantified his coming war with Iraq as part of a larger struggle to bring pro-western governments into power in the Middle East. Couched in hopeful language describing peace and freedom for all, the speech was in fact the closest articulation of the actual plan for Iraq that has yet been heard from the administration.

In a previous truthout article from February 21, the ideological connections between an extremist right-wing Washington think tank and the foreign policy aspirations of the Bush administration were detailed.

The Project for a New American Century, or PNAC, is a group founded in 1997 that has been agitating since its inception for a war with Iraq. PNAC was the driving force behind the drafting and passage of the Iraqi Liberation Act, a bill that painted a veneer of legality over the ultimate designs behind such a conflict. The names of every prominent PNAC member were on a letter delivered to President Clinton in 1998 which castigated him for not implementing the Act by driving troops into Baghdad.

PNAC has funneled millions of taxpayer dollars to a Hussein opposition group called the Iraqi National Congress, and to Iraq's heir-apparent, Ahmed Chalabi, despite the fact that Chalabi was sentenced in absentia by a Jordanian court to 22 years in prison on 31 counts of bank fraud. Chalabi and the INC have, over the years, gathered support for their cause by promising oil contracts to anyone that would help to put them in power in Iraq.

Most recently, PNAC created a new group called The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Staffed entirely by PNAC members, The Committee has set out to "educate" Americans via cable news connections about the need for war in Iraq. This group met recently with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice regarding the ways and means of this education.

Who is PNAC? Its members include:

* Vice President Dick Cheney, one of the PNAC founders, who served as Secretary of Defense for Bush Sr.;

* I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's top national security assistant;

* Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, also a founding member, along with four of his chief aides including;

* Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, arguably the ideological father of the group;

* Eliot Abrams, prominent member of Bush's National Security Council, who was pardoned by Bush Sr. in the Iran/Contra scandal;

* John Bolton, who serves as Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security in the Bush administration;

* Richard Perle, former Reagan administration official and present chairman of the powerful Defense Policy Board;

* Randy Scheunemann, President of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, who was Trent Lott's national security aide and who served as an advisor to Rumsfeld on Iraq in 2001;

* Bruce Jackson, Chairman of PNAC, a position he took after serving for years as vice president of weapons manufacturer Lockheed-Martin, and who also headed the Republican Party Platform subcommittee for National Security and Foreign Policy during the 2000 campaign. His section of the 2000 GOP Platform explicitly called for the removal of Saddam Hussein;

* William Kristol, noted conservative writer for the Weekly Standard, a magazine owned along with the Fox News Network by conservative media mogul Ruppert Murdoch.

The Project for the New American Century seeks to establish what they call 'Pax Americana' across the globe. Essentially, their goal is to transform America, the sole remaining superpower, into a planetary empire by force of arms. A report released by PNAC in September of 2000 entitled 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' codifies this plan, which requires a massive increase in defense spending and the fighting of several major theater wars in order to establish American dominance. The first has been achieved in Bush's new budget plan, which calls for the exact dollar amount to be spent on defense that was requested by PNAC in 2000. Arrangements are underway for the fighting of the wars.

The men from PNAC are in a perfect position to see their foreign policy schemes, hatched in 1997, brought into reality. They control the White House, the Pentagon and Defense Department, by way of this the armed forces and intelligence communities, and have at their feet a Republican-dominated Congress that will rubber-stamp virtually everything on their wish list.

The first step towards the establishment of this Pax Americana is, and has always been, the removal of Saddam Hussein and the establishment of an American protectorate in Iraq. The purpose of this is threefold: 1) To acquire control of the oilheads so as to fund the entire enterprise; 2) To fire a warning shot across the bows of every leader in the Middle East; 3) To establish in Iraq a military staging area for the eventual invasion and overthrow of several Middle Eastern regimes, including some that are allies of the United States.

Another PNAC signatory, author Norman Podhoretz, quantified this aspect of the grand plan in the September 2002 issue of his journal, 'Commentary'. In it, Podhoretz notes that the regimes, "that richly deserve to be overthrown and replaced, are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil. At a minimum, the axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as 'friends' of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority, whether headed by Arafat or one of his henchmen." At bottom, for Podhoretz, this action is about "the long-overdue internal reform and modernization of Islam."

This casts Bush's speech to AEI on Wednesday in a completely different light.

Weapons of mass destruction are a smokescreen. Paeans to the idea of Iraqi liberation and democratization are cynical in their inception. At the end of the day, this is not even about oil. The drive behind this war is ideological in nature, a crusade to 'reform' the religion of Islam as it exists in both government and society within the Middle East. Once this is accomplished, the road to empire will be open, ten lanes wide and steppin' out over the line.

At the end of the day, however, ideology is only good for bull sessions in the board room and the bar. Something has to grease the skids, to make the whole thing worthwhile to those involved, and entice those outside the loop to get into the game.

Thus, the payout.

It is well known by now that Dick Cheney, before becoming Vice President, served as chairman and chief executive of the Dallas-based petroleum corporation Halliburton. During his tenure, according to oil industry executives and United Nations records, Halliburton did a brisk $73 million in business with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. While working face-to-face with Hussein, Cheney and Halliburton were also moving into position to capitalize upon Hussein's removal from power. In October of 1995, the same month Cheney was made CEO of Halliburton, that company announced a deal that would put it first in line should war break out in Iraq. Their job: To take control of burning oil wells, put out the fires, and prepare them for service.

Another corporation that stands to do well by a war in Iraq is Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton. Ostensibly, Brown & Root is in the construction business, and thus has won a share of the $900 million government contract for the rebuilding of post-war Iraqi bridges, roads and other basic infrastructure. This is but the tip of the financial iceberg, as the oil wells will also have to be repaired after parent-company Halliburton puts out the fires.

More ominously is Brown & Root's stock in trade: the building of permanent American military bases. There are twelve permanent U.S. bases in Kosovo today, all built and maintained by Brown & Root for a multi-billion dollar profit. If anyone should wonder why the administration has not offered an exit strategy to the Iraq war plans, the presence of Brown & Root should answer them succinctly. We do not plan on exiting. In all likelihood, Brown & Root is in Iraq to build permanent bases there, from which attacks upon other Middle Eastern nations can be staged and managed.

Again, this casts Bush's speech on Wednesday in a new light.

Being at the center of the action is nothing new for Halliburton and Brown & Root. The two companies have worked closely with governments in Algeria, Angola, Bosnia, Burma, Croatia, Haiti, Nigeria, Rwanda, and Somalia during the worst chapters in those nation's histories. Many environmental and human rights groups claim that Cheney, Halliburton and Brown & Root were, in fact, centrally involved in these fiascos. More recently, Brown & Root was contracted by the Defense Department to build cells for detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The bill for that one project came to $300 million.

Cheney became involved with PNAC officially in 1997, while still profiting from deals between Halliburton and Hussein. One year later, Cheney and PNAC began actively and publicly agitating for war on Iraq. They have not stopped to this very day.

Another company with a vested interest in both war on Iraq and massively increased defense spending is the Carlyle Group. Carlyle, a private global investment firm with more than $12.5 billion in capital under management, was formed in 1987. Its interests are spread across 164 companies, including telecommunications firms and defense contractors. It is staffed at the highest levels by former members of the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. Former President George H. W. Bush is himself employed by Carlyle as a senior advisor, as is long-time Bush family advisor and former Secretary of State James Baker III.

One company acquired by Carlyle is United Defense, a weapons manufacturer based in Arlington, VA. United Defense provides the Defense Department with combat vehicle systems, fire support, combat support vehicle systems, weapons delivery systems, amphibious assault vehicles, combat support services and naval armaments. Specifically, United Defense manufactures the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the M113 armored personnel carrier, the M88A2 Recovery Vehicle, the Grizzly, the M9 ACE, the Composite Armored Vehicle, the M6 Linebacker, the M7 BFIST, the Armored Gun System, the M4 Command and Control Vehicle, the Battle Command Vehicle, the Paladin, the Crusader, and Electric Gun/Pulse Power weapons technology.

In other words, everything a growing Defense Department, a war in Iraq, and a burgeoning American military empire needs.

Ironically, one group that won't profit from Carlyle's involvement in American military buildup is the family of Osama bin Laden. The bin Laden family fortune was amassed by Mohammed bin Laden, father of Osama, who built a multi-billion dollar construction empire through contracts with the Saudi government. The Saudi BinLaden Group, as this company is called, was heavily invested in Carlyle for years. Specifically, they were invested in Carlyle's Partners II Fund, which includes in that portfolio United Defense and other weapons manufacturers.

This relationship was described in a September 27, 2001 article in the Wall Street Journal entitled 'Bin Laden Family Could Profit From Jump in Defense Spending Due to Ties to US Bank.' The 'bank' in question was the Carlyle Group. A follow-up article published by the Journal on September 28 entitled ' Bin Laden Family Has Intricate Ties With Washington - Saudi Clan Has Had Access To Influential Republicans ' further describes the relationship. In October of 2001, Saudi BinLaden and Carlyle severed their relationship by mutual agreement. The timing is auspicious.

There are a number of depths to be plumbed in all of this. The Bush administration has claimed all along that this war with Iraq is about Saddam Hussein's connections to terrorism and weapons of mass destruction, though through it all they have roundly failed to establish any basis for either accusation. On Wednesday, Bush went further to claim that the war is about liberating the Iraqi people and bringing democracy to the Middle East. This ignores cultural realities on the ground in Iraq and throughout the region that, salted with decades of deep mistrust for American motives, make such a democracy movement brought at the point of the sword utterly impossible to achieve.

This movement, cloaked in democracy, is in fact a PNAC-inspired push for an American global empire. It behooves Americans to understand that there is a great difference between being the citizen of a constitutional democracy and being a citizen of an empire. The establishment of an empire requires some significant sacrifices.

Essential social, medical, educational and retirement services will have to be gutted so that those funds can be directed towards a necessary military buildup. Actions taken abroad to establish the preeminence of American power, most specifically in the Middle East, will bring a torrent of terrorist attacks to the home front. Such attacks will bring about the final suspension of constitutional rights and the rule of habeas corpus, as we will find ourselves under martial law. In the end, however, this may be inevitable. An empire cannot function with the slow, cumbersome machine of a constitutional democracy on its back. Empires must be ruled with speed and ruthlessness, in a manner utterly antithetical to the way in which America has been governed for 227 years.

And yes, of course, a great many people will die.

It would be one thing if all of this was based purely on the ideology of our leaders. It is another thing altogether to consider the incredible profit motive behind it all. The President, his father, the Vice President, a whole host of powerful government officials, along with stockholders and executives from Halliburton and Carlyle, stand to make a mint off this war. Long-time corporate sponsors from the defense, construction and petroleum industries will likewise profit enormously.

Critics of the Bush administration like to bandy about the word "fascist" when speaking of George. The image that word conjures is of Nazi stormtroopers marching in unison towards Hitler's Final Solution. This does not at all fit. It is better, in this matter, to view the Bush administration through the eyes of Benito Mussolini. Mussolini, dubbed 'the father of Fascism,' defined the word in a far more pertinent fashion. "Fascism," said Mussolini, "should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power."

Boycott the French, the Germans, and the other 114 nations who stand against this Iraq war all you wish. France and Germany do not oppose Bush because they are cowards, or because they enjoy the existence of Saddam Hussein. France and Germany stand against the Bush administration because they intend to stop this Pax Americana in its tracks if they can. They have seen militant fascism up close and personal before, and wish never to see it again.

Would that we Americans could be so wise.

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William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times bestselling author of two books - "War On Iraq" (with Scott Ritter) available now from Context Books, and "The Greatest Sedition is Silence," available in May 2003 from Pluto Press. He teaches high school in Boston, MA.

Scott Lowery contributed research to this report.

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. t r u t h o u t has no affiliation whatsoever with the originator of this article nor is t r u t h o u t endorsed or sponsored by the originator.)

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:33 PM
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5. PENTAGON ORIGINAL PLAN TO MURDER US CITIZENS
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 12:46 PM by Pallas180
Here ORIGINAL NORTHWOOD DOCUMENTS-our Military plan to attack US citizens to make American citizens angry enough to support war......

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs ...

picture of Lemnitzer


Operation Northwoods: The Pentagon’s Secret Plot to Murder US Citizens to Provoke a War September 13, 2002

General Lyman L. Lemnitzer. Credit: NATO.

On May 1, 2001, ABC News broadcast a chilling revelation: “In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in US cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.”
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/dailynews/jointc...

The Pentagon’s secret “Operation Northwoods” proposed that the US assassinate Cuban émigrés, hijack planes, sink ships, and stage an incident of violent terrorism in US cities. The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer.

The Pentagon’s top brass were even willing to murder US troops, if that’s what it took to stampede the country into a war. "We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," they wrote, noting with cold logic that, "casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

The Joint Chiefs even saw the potential death of astronaut John Glenn as an opportunity to falsely provoke a war with Cuba. If Glenn’s rocket failed to make it safely into orbit, the Pentagon was prepared to falsely accuse Cuba of shooting down Glenn’s space capsule.

An analysis of Operation Northwood is contained in James Bamford’s new book, Body of Secrets (Doubleday) discloses that the plans were approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and presented to President Kennedy's Defense Secretary Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962. Lemnitzer argued that Operation Northwoods should be run by the military but McNamara apparently had second thoughts. The civilians in the White House overruled the soldiers in the Pentagon and the plan was rejected. All copies of the memorandum were ordered destroyed. The existence of the plot remained undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," Bamford writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge." Bamford characterized the Joint Chiefs’ plot as, perhaps “the most corrupt plan ever created by the US government." But even after Lemnitzer retired, Bamford charges, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan similar "pretext" operations at least through 1963.

The documents only saw the light of day after the popular success of Oliver Stone’s 1992 blockbuster film JFK about the Kennedy assassination. Congress passed a law to increase public access to government records related to the assassination. In the process of combing through reams of declassified papers, a single surviving copy of the 15-page memo on Operation Northwoods was discovered.

Particularly disturbing — especially in the aftermath of the many unanswered questions surrounding the September 11 terrorist attack — is the Pentagon’s elaborate plan to falsely trigger a war by staging the fake destruction of a civilian commercial jetliner.

The document is reprinted below in its entirety. A PDF version of the actual 15-page document is available at the website of George Washington University’s National Security Archive project: <www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430 >



The first page of the 15-page Operation Northwoods terror plot. Credit: The National Security Archives/George Washington University <http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv />.
TOP SECRET SPECIAL HANDLING NOFORN (declassified 2000)
The Joint Chiefs of Staff Washington DC Memorandum for the Secretary of Defense

SUBJECT: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)

JCS to Secretary of War Robert McNamara March 13, 1962

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have considered the attatched memorandum for the chief of Operations, Cuba Project, which responds to a request by that office for brief but precise description of pretexts which would provide justification for US military intervention in Cuba.


The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommend that the proposed memorandum be forwarded as a preliminary submission suitable for planning purproses. It is assumed that there will be similar submissions from other agencies and that these inputs will be used as a basis for developing a time-phased plan. Individual projects can then be considered on a case-by-case basis.


Further, it is assumed that a single agency will be given the primary responsibility for developing military and para-military aspects of the basic plan. It is recommended that this responsibility for both overt and covert military operations be assigned to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
For the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed: L.L. Limnitzer Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

Note by the Secretaries to the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Northwoods

Footnoted memorandums:
"Operation Mongoose"
"Instances to Provoke Military Actions in Cuba"
RECOMMENDATIONS:
This paper NOT be forwarded to commanders of specified or unified commands.

This paper NOT be forwarded to US officers assigned to NATO activities.

This paper NOT be forwarded to the Chairman, US Delegation, United Nations Military Staff Committee.

Such a plan would enable a logical buildup of incidents to be combined with other seemingly unrelated events to camoflage the ultimate objective and create the necessary impression of Cuban rashness and irresponsibility on a large scale, directed at other countries in addition to the United States. The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances.
1. A series of well-coordinated incidents will be planned to take place to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

2. Incidents to establish a credible attack:
1. Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio. 2. Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on the base. 3. Capture Cuban (friendly) sabateurs inside the base. 4. Start riots near the entrance to the base (friendly Cubans). 5. Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires. 6. Burn aircraft on airbase (sabatage) . 7. Lob morter shells from outsidethe base to inside the base. Some damage to installation. 8. Capture assault teams. 9. Capture militia group which storms the base. 10. Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene . 11. Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims.

(b) United States would respond by executing offensive operations.
3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:
We could blow up a US ship and blame Cuba.

We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
4. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cubans in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few bombs in carefully chosen spots. The arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating cuban involvement.

5. A "Cuban-based, Castro-supported" filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation. These efforts can be magnified with additional ones contrived for exposure. "Cuban" B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incidiaries could be found. This could be coupled with "Cuban" messages to the Communist underground and "Cuban" shipments of arms which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach.

6. Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type palnes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact.

7. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged.

8. It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States.
An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.
9. It is possible to create an incident that will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.
On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly Tail-end Charlie. While near the Cuban island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. This pilot would then fly at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who performed the mission under an alias would resume his proper identity. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.

A submarine or small craft would distribute F-101 parts, parachute, etc. The pilots retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found.

It is understood that the Department of State is also preparing suggested courses of action to develope justification for US military intervention in Cuba.


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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:53 PM
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9. TIMELINE OF CORRUPTION OF AMERICA with thanks to Steviet
From Steviet: TIMELINE OF CORRUPTION OF AMERICA


ONE: 1701-1900
The founding of Yale University; second President John Adams almost destroys new Republic; racists attempt to destabilize Union, killing President Lincoln and others; first oil wells drilled for kerosene; populist politics weaken stranglehold of industrial trusts; railroad baron E.H. Harriman begins journey to apex of investment world.

TWO: 1900-1920
George W's ancestors: Samuel Bush, Prescott Bush Sr, and George 'Bert' Walker, intersect with E.H. Harriman's railroad empire; Texas discovers big oil; Yale in China; Teddy Roosevelt pushes progressive agenda- also forms the Bureau of Investigation; Prescott Bush lies about military service; WWI demonstrates world dependence on oil; Bushes, Walkers and Harrimans join forces, invest in war weapons; J. Edgar Hoover rises through ranks; Ku Klux Klan re-forms; American citizens embrace anti-immigrant and fascist ideologies; Halliburton incorporates; Iraq gives up the oil; race riots sweep America.

THREE: 1920-1930
WWI allies carve up Middle East; American fascist groups gain in size, popularity; Attorney General Palmer rounds up thousands of European Jews, radicals, progressives; Red Scare; Prescott Bush marries into Walker family fortune; Henry Ford publishes anti-semitic lit; Bush friends Dulles brothers legal counsel to Nazis; Republican Teapot Dome oil scandal; Bush, Walker, Harriman shipping line smuggles German agents, Nazi propaganda, money for bribing American politicians; Union Banking Corp founded by Bush, Harriman, Fritz Thyssen to manage German investment and launder Nazi money; J. Edgar Hoover heads BI; stock market, de-regulated by Republican administrations, collapses under its own corruption.

FOUR: 1931-1939
Brown Brothers, Harriman merge; Un-American Activities committee investigates US fascist groups, Nazi propaganda; Prescott Bush buys into CBS; J. Edgar Hoover manipulates press, politicians, lives the high life; Hitler enters government with legal and financial help from Dulles brothers, Bush/Harriman; after the Reichstag fire, German Constitution and all civil liberties suspended; US radio broadcasts 'Christian Fascism' hatred of Jews, Communism, unions, Roosevelt; Nazi-US commerce coordinated through Bush/Harriman bank UBC; 'deranged loner' shoots at Roosevelt; Socal, later Unocal, obtains exclusive oil concession in Saudi Arabia; Eugenics movement spreads to US; Hitler's plan to 'Germanize' America; Polish government fights Bush/Harriman, Nazi stockholders for control of Poland's largest industry- whose workforce will soon be sent from Auschwitz; young law student Richard Nixon recruited for NY law firms by Dulles brothers and first head of American intelligence Bill Donovan; US German groups boycott Jewish merchants; Congressman LBJ slides lucrative contracts to campaign financiers Brown & Root (later Halliburton); Leo Strauss' neo-con ideologies; Jewish mobsters combat anti-semites; new head of Un-American Activities Committee changes focus, compiles blacklist of liberals, anti-fascists; German-American Nazi camps in small-town America; numerous House Republians use offices to: disseminate pro-Hitler/fascist literature, visit with Nazi propagandists, publicly support Nazi regime while condemning Roosevelt; Hitler invades Poland, ending Bush/Harriman-Poland legal battle.

FIVE: 1940-1944
Britain goes to war against Germany; Roosevelt pressured to stay out of war by pro-Nazi House members; Nixon loves Cuba, United Fruit Co; Nazi Germany manipulates Republican, Democratic party platforms; Henry Ford, Charles Lindberg, Herbert Hoover, future Nixon speechwriter Patrick Buchanan, Gerald Ford, pro-Nazi Silver Shirts and Klansmen- all form America First Committee, attract over a million members; Nixon joins Navy; Brown & Root receives first military contracts; Roosevelt establishes OSS; Harriman becomes Ambassador; Prescott Bush's partner advocates terror-bombing of civilians; Pearl Harbor; 'Yale in China' an intelligence front; Congress investigates House members under pay of Nazis- lead whistle-blower dies in plane crash; Roosevelt seizes three Bush/Harriman/Nazi companies, but US allows Bush/Harriman to hold onto some of their business and/or German stock- Bush likely trading intelligence on Germany for immunity from prosecution; Hoover bails out corrupt ex-FBI Republican bagman, who later dies in plane crash; George Bush Sr uses family connections to become Navy's youngest fighter pilot; United Fruit Co oppresses Guatemala; Joe Kennedy Jr dies in plane crash.

SIX: 1945-1950
US drops the bomb on a Japan trying to surrender; Richard Nixon returns from Navy, connects with Dulles brothers; organized illegal Jewish immigration to Palestine swells Jewish population there; a 'selection committee' of Eastern bankers like Bush/Harriman, California mobsters like Mickey Cohen offer to underwrite a Nixon campaign for Congress; Hoover offers Nixon FBI resources; George Bush Sr works for Dresser Industries (later Halliburton); Truman creates CIA; Big Oil Texans court Hoover; Brown & Root builds offshore oil platforms; Nixon elected after dirtiest campaign in memory, gains national exposure in Alger Hiss trial; Republican politicos, bent on regaining White House, fuel Red Scare with FBI help; Nixon's corrupt pal Joe McCarthy hijacks HUAC for Republican gain in elections; JFK donates to Nixon's campaign, rejects Nixon because of unethical tactics; Harrimans, Bushes begin to drift apart politically and otherwise; Bohemia Grove; George Bush Sr starts oil company; Prescott Bush loses bid for Congress because of Eugenics past; Joe McCarthy big hit in Texas.

SEVEN: 1951-1959
Iran nationalizes oilfields; first Bush in politics wins a special election; Prescott Bush collects $1.5 million from Nazi bank UBC stock, money goes into trust fund; Nixon's funding scandal; Nixon uses TV to spin defense; Allen Dulles leaves Gulf Oil of Latin American, becomes director of CIA; CIA helps overthrow Iranian leader, increases covert action in Latin America; US military overthrows Latin governments hostile to United Fruit Co; B-actor Ronald Reagan an FBI informant; Eisenhower sends special-ops, CIA 'advisors' to Vietnam; Reverend Moon founds a church; US corporations, mobsters own Cuba; Prescott Bush, LBJ serve together on Senate Armed Services Committee; CBS, CIA; McCarthy discredited but 50% of Americans admire him; Howard Hughes exchanges CIA funding for business favors; Lee Harvey Oswald joins Civil Air Patrol; Bush Sr begins offshore drilling, Brown & Root builds platforms; Robert Kennedy busts Nixon's campaign strategist for bribery, attacks organized crime; Hoover spies on civilians, bets on mob horse races, morphs 'Red Scare' into 'Black Menace'; Saddam Hussein joins Ba'ath Party; Manuel Noriega, CIA asset; Texas oil funds Nixon, Johnson; Nixon expected to win '60 Presidential election; Eisenhower warns about “military-industrial complex” subverting government; Oswald leaves top-secret Marine post- charting U2 flights over USSR- defects to Russia.

EIGHT: 1960-1962
Howard Hughes rents islands to CIA for Cuba invasion training; George Bush Sr has drilling platforms among these islands, begins intelligence career (likely following in Prescott's footsteps) as he business travels Texas, New Orleans, Florida, the Caribbean for Zapata; FBI looks for Oswald impersonator; CIA uses mob to undermine Castro; same mobsters finance Nixon's campaign; JFK wins Presidency by thinnest margin ever, thanks to 100,000 votes delivered by Chicago mobster Sam Giancana; press exposes US plans to invade Cuba- New York Times claims 'Mr. B of the CIA' is in charge; Kennedy vows US will never invade Cuba; Bobby Kennedy publicly embarrasses J. Edgar Hoover; Bay of Pigs invasion fails; JFK fires Allen Dulles, shuts down CIA training camps; Prescott Bush commiserates with Dulles; Brown & Root wins billion dollar Vietnam contract; Kennedys further infuriate radical right-wing oilmen, Hoover, mob; FBI blackmails White House with threat of sex exploit 'leaks'; JFK plans to enforce Hoover's mandatory retirement; civil rights activists face violent social, legal, political resistance; racist Democrats flee to Republican camp; Oswald renews US citizenship, returns unharassed by US intelligence; Halliburton buys Brown & Root.

NINE: 1963- JFK Assassination
JFK negotiates with Russia; Bobby Kennedy busts hundreds of mobsters, goes after Giancana- who delivered in '60 election; Colin Powell in Vietnam; Saddam Hussein tortures individuals on CIA interrogation lists; Kennedy initiates federal investigation of oil tax breaks; televised images of US racist brutality stun world, King accuses FBI of complicity; Kennedy publicly supports civil rights, Voter Act; church bombing kills four black girls; King marches on DC; Colin Powell develops 'overwhelming force' doctrine during search and destroy missions; George Bush Sr wins Chair of Houston Republican Party; JFK gestures peace to Castro; withdraws 1000 advisors from Vietnam, plans all troops home by '65; FBI smears King; US assassinates South Vietnamese leader; JFK removes CIA's covert combat authority; Bush Sr sues Texas Governor John Connally to force new Republican district- where Bush can run unopposed; JFK assassination threat in Miami; Clint Murchison's house party on assassination eve; Kennedy killed in Dallas; TX Governor John Connally (in the middle of Bush's redistricting lawsuit) also shot, cries out, “My God, they’re going to kill us all!”; Oswald arrested in Howard Hughes' Texas Theater, says he's a patsy, is shot next day by Jack Ruby; Johnson appoints Warren Commission, stopping all investigations; Allen Dulles defacto head of Commission; Hoover tries to block Time magazine from crowning King 'Man of the Year.'

TEN: 1964-1969
Johnson immediately appoints Hoover 'FBI Director for Life'; Bush Sr runs campaigns against civil rights bill, for Cuban invasion; Moon opens US headquarters; Bush pushes escalation of war, nukes; Bush oil drills in Latin America, Middle East- tax evasion charges taint election prospects; Ted Kennedy runs for Senate- plane crash breaks his back, kills two; Nixon campaigns for Bush; Bobby Kennedy runs for NY Senator; Bush mounts “greatest campaign spending spree ever,” uses Nixon-style dirty tricks; Kennedys win, Bush loses; Warren Commission blames Oswald, no motive; LBJ signs Civil Rights Act; Klan lynches Lemuel Penn; CIA creates Gulf of Tonkin incident; more Vietnam contracts to Halliburton; massive bombing of North Vietnam; Malcom X shot; Bush wins redistricting, campaigns again unchallenged- says "I want conservatism to be sensitive," but mocks civil rights leaders, anti-war protestors; King protests Vietnam war; Eisenhower, others promote Moon; Democrats enact 'progressive tidal wave'- poverty is halved, CEO/worker wage disparity at historic low; Jerry Falwell condemns civil rights, touts segregation as "God's Order;" Republicans appeal to white working class fear, gain 47 House seats; 20-year old Bill Clinton confronts Arkansas racists; CIA experiments; Bush hires advertiser to run campaign, wins election, unprecedented appointment to influential committee; press attacks King's anti-war stance; Colin Powell protects superiors from reports of US atrocities; George W at Yale; Jim Garrison tilts at Warren Commission; DC panics as King plans massive 'poor people's march', vows to camp until legislation passed; Tet offensive exposes White House lie that US is winning war; future Fox News director Roger Ailes Nixon's media strategist; George W enters special Air National Guard unit, despite near-failing scores; Ross Perot, Howard Hughes buy Nixon; Nixon/Kissinger undermine LBJ's Vietnam peace talks before election; King is killed; Bobby Kennedy's Presidential campaign ends with his death; Pentagon Papers; Nixon tries to destroy Ellsberg; Colin Powell works for Nixon, meets mentors Frank Carlucci, Caspar Weinberger.

ELEVEN: 1970-1974
Nixon plans right-biased media; Bush receives Nixon funds but loses Senate race; George W dates Nixon's daughter; Chile nationalizes oil, banking; Nixon appoints Bush UN Ambassador; Richard Cheney Nixon's White House aide; Nixon looks to oust unstable Hoover; Kent State anti-war protestors killed; Bush's oil partner delivers cash to Nixon campaign; Saddam Hussein nationalizes oil; CIA destabilizes Chile, Iraq; Pinochet terrorizes Chile; Bush promotes escalation of Vietnam at UN; candidate George Wallace shot by 'crazy loner,' suspects Nixon; Lucianna Goldberg (later of Monica Lewinsky fame) hired by Nixon as sex spy on McGovern; Nixon sells Lincoln Bedroom overnights; Hoover found dead- buried sans autopsy, Secret Service strips house immediately, top to bottom; burglars arrested in Watergate; military begins drug testing, George W and James Bath suspended for skipping tests; just before elections, outspoken Democrat Hale Boggs disappears in plane crash; press ignores Watergate scandal, Nixon wins re-election; CIA's E. H. Hunt blackmails Nixon over Watergate until wife killed in plane crash; Nixon brags "Bush will do anything for us;" Moon uses call girls to compromise US Senators; Deep Throat warns "everybody’s life is in danger;" Bush Sr charged with deflecting Watergate blame; Arab nations form OPEC; young and vocal attorney Hillary Rodham helps Judiciary Committee investigate impeachment; Moon, followers publicly support Nixon in national demonstrations; head of College Republicans, Karl Rove, helps Bush Sr paint Watergate as political witch hunt; White House tapes expose Nixon's guilt; Bush urges Nixon resignation; Gerald Ford is only VP and President to take office without being elected to either; Bush and Nixon blame Watergate on 'liberal media'; Ford pardons Nixon, immediately ending all deeper investigations into Nixon administration crimes; Nixon's fromer Treasury Secretary William Simon sets out to create a right-wing media.

TWELVE: 1975-1979
House investigates US intelligence; Church Committee focuses on CIA assassinations; CIA Director Colby "too cooperative," Donald Rumsfeld has him fired; Ford appoints Bush Sr new CIA Director; CIA obstructs, stalls investigators; Bush Sr handles guns-dope runner Noriega; mobster Sam Giancana killed shortly before testifying; Kissinger invests in West Bank; Chilean economy rebuilt on neo-con free market principles, becomes most unstable in Latin America; CIA acknowledges experiments; 'Squeaky' Fromme tries to kill President Ford; second attempt on Ford's life 17 days later; Dick Cheney now White House Chief of Staff; Saddam Hussein wins UNESCO award for raising Iraq"s literacy rate; Bin Laden construction firm one of largest in Middle East; House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) re-examines JFK, King killings; Church Committee learns hundreds of journalists are CIA assets, Bush won't release names; Bush CIA buys planes from George Jr's Air Guard friend James Bath, finances through corrupt BCCI; Church Committe concludes: "the investigation of the (JFK) assassination was grossly deficient;" Ford, Bush try to bury Pike Committee report, Daniel Schorr leaks it to press; 'Koreagate,' Moon, KCIA; Bush CIA destabilizes Jamaica, tries to kill Bob Marley; Bush CIA think tank spins intelligence showing phony US weapons deficiencies; Bush Sr DUI; Carter wins Presidency, immediately removes Bush from CIA; Congress investigates Moon; gangster Santos Trafficante pleads 5th on all HSCA questions regardng JFK's asassination; George W begins oil company; four of seven Warren Commission counsels express serious doubts about WC Report; George W loses first Congressional race; Oswald benefactor and alleged 'handler' commits suicide by gunshot four hours after HCSA subpoena; former Assistant FBI Director William Sullivan dies of gunshot wound while hunting, shortly before scheduled HSCA testimony; Jimmy Carter applies sanctions against Iraq, takes Noriega off CIA payroll; Iran throws out Shah, takes American hostages; Bush Sr arranges for Iran to hold hostages until after election; Jerry Falwell, other US religious leaders file court briefs in defense of Reverend Moon.

THIRTEEN: 1980-1986
Bush loses bid for Presidential nomination; Reagan reluctantly chooses Bush- whom he doesn't like, trust- as VP; new Gov. Clinton takes on Tyson Inc, other entrenched interests; Clinton appoints African-Americans to administration, addresses institutionalized racism; Iran hostage crisis dooms Carter; Reagan wins election, hostages released minutes later; Reagan funds covert war in Central America; Noriega back on payroll; 'deranged loner' Hinckley shoots, nearly kills Reagan; Hinckley a friend of Neil and George W Bush, had been kicked out of the American Nazi party; Iraq attacks Iran; Reagan army recruiters sent primarily to ghettos; Bush Sr votes to renew chemical weapons tests; Project Democracy begins to collect funds from right-wing donors; Moon publishes ultra-right tabloid Washington Times; Bush Sr chairs task force which deregulates banking industry, leading to S&L meltdowns of late ‘80s- in which his sons are complicit; Moon convicted of tax fraud, sentenced to prison in CT; BinLaden, Halliburton assist Saudis in military buildup; Congress forbids US tax dollars for CIA missions; US sells bacteria, viruses, retroviruses, fungi to Iraq, China; Bush sons involved in unethical, fraudulent business ventures; Bush buys SAM missiles fom China, provides nuclear/satellite technology- sells to Iran, profits sent to Central American covert actions; Reagan launches propaganda program targeted at Americans; Moon leaves prison, Reagan embraces during White House visit; Jerry Falwell speaks at Moon-sponsored events; Noreiga accuses Oliver North of $5 million dollar rip-off; Prime Minister of Sweden shot to death shortly after rejecting Oliver North weapons deal; Iran-Contra exposed; like Nixon, Bush surrounded by Bay of Pigs-CIA assets.

FOURTEEN: 1986-1989
Independent Kuwait seized by brutal, super-rich al-Sabah family; Colin Powell sends HAWK missiles to Iran, leaving US troops in Europe without; Pat Robertson uses charity to support his diamond, lumber interests; illegal Contra aid, drugs funneled through CIA airport in Mena, AR; pilot DEA informant Barry Seal killed hours before testifying; Averell Harriman dies, wife Pamela funds Democrats; Ross Perot sent after POW's, complains of CIA gun/drug runner interference, VP Bush removes him; Nicaraguan soldiers down American cargo plane full of contra arms- only surviving crew member repeats: "George Bush", confesses he is CIA; Bush sends family attorney to facilitate his release; Republican Special Counsel appointed for Iran-Contra investigation; day before scheduled testimony, CIA Director Casey stricken during routine exam, left unable to communicate- becomes Iran-Contra scapegoat; Carlyle Investment Group formed; FCC scraps Fairness Doctrine; birth of right-wing radio; Colin Powell lies under oath; bin Laden's brother Salem, business partner of Bush Jr and friend James Bath, dies in plane crash; Pan Am 103, part of US drug sting operation, explodes over Scotland; Bush beats Dukakis in vicious racist election; CIA-backed Osama bin Laden drives Russia out of Afghanistan; Exxon Valdez spills oil, never pays $1 in fines; Prescott Bush Jr sells satellites to China; Robert Mueller heads Iran-Contra probe (later runs Bush FBI); George W cons taxpayers over Texas Rangers deal; Little Rock's Stephens Inc is largest investment bank outside Wall Street; founder Jack Stephens deals with Bush family for years, despises Clinton- who sharply curtailed corrupt influence in AR; Bush Sr pardons anti-Castro terrorist; US invades Panama, kills 3000+ civilians but avoids bombing wealthy areas where Prescott Bush has invested in luxury hotels; Bush replaces Noriega with two other drug distributers.

FIFTEEN: 1990-1991
Bush sons get minimal fines in S&L convictions, Republican party pays; Dick Cheney obstructs Nelson Mandela's release, claiming it "bad for US interests;" General Schwartzkopf runs Iraqi invasion computer war games; Kuwait siphons Iraqi oil; Iraq threatens, US assures Iraq it's not involved; Bush Jr sells Harken stocks before they drop, illegally reports four transactions; Bush Jr, Texas Rangers investors convince Arlington to bill taxpayers, fans for new Enron Stadium; then they illegally claim emminent domain, seize 270 acres around ballpark, sell to developers at large profit; media attacks Oliver Stone's JFK a year before release; Bush, Kuwait hire PR firms to sell Gulf War; Bush Sr lies to Saudis about Iraqi threat, cites phony evidence; Bush Sr calls Senator Paul Wellstone "chickenshit"; Rodney King; research report: “The more TV people watch, the less they know; and the less people know the more likely they are to back Bush;" US begins heavy bombing in Iraq, loses over 400 troops; White House controls all war coverage; US massacres 10,000+ retreating Iraqis, on the 'Highways of Death'; Bush enourages Kurds, Shi'ites to rise up against Hussein; Powell advises US to not support uprising, leaves Hussein US helicoptors which are used to gas/kill thousands; Bush camp tells Clinton if he runs in '92 he'll never run for anything again; US violates int'l law by sabotaging Iraqi clean water; former US AG charges US with 19 violations of law in Gulf War actions; Saudi Arabia agrees to permanent US presence, infuriating Osama bin Laden.

SIXTEEN: 1991-1993
John Heinz (R-PA), on his way to Medicare fraud hearings, dies in freak plane crash; next day, former TX Senator John Tower, writing about his Iran-Contra experience, dies in plane crash; Condi Rice leaves Bush Sr’s National Security Council, joins Chevron; Carlyle Group recruits ex-Defense officials; Bush nominates Clarence Thomas to Supreme Court; Anita Hill charges him with sexual harassment, is publicly denigrated; Thomas wins; Danny Casolaro, investigative journalist, is found dead of apparent suicide in Richard Mellon Scaife's office building; CIA admits money link to BCCI; Bush Sr's top fundraisers sued for S&L fraud; Oliver Stone's JFK spurs Congressional creation of Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB); Bush Sr publicly declares Oswald only shooter, refuses to appoint members; Iran-Contra prosecutor finds flaws in Colin Powell's testimony; on Xmas eve, Bush Sr pardons all Iran-Contra figures, dissolving case against himself; Whitewater story released on eve of Democratic primaries; Rodney King cops acquitted, triggering worst race riots in US history; Defense Secretary Dick Cheney plans future 'war zones'; Robert Mueller insists Whitewater continue, Little Rock FBI head defies him, says no evidence to pursue, resigns; on eve of NH primary, Gennifer Flowers sells story of Clinton affair to tabloids; Flowers produces no evidence to prove long-term affair; audio tapes likely doctored; Jesse Helms asks Bush to pardon Pakistani drug smuggler; Bush Sr on payroll of Barrick gold mines, allowing mines on Nevada public land; judges Sentelle, Silberman (later of Monica Lewinsky fame) void convictions of Ollie North, Poindexter; Neil Bush sells Kuwaitis on Enron; Paul Wilcher sends Janet Reno documents about October Surprise, found dead in home; Bush appointee embezzles millions from Travel Office, Repubs object to firings and create 'Travelgate'; Cheney joins Halliburton, deals with terrorist nations; right-wing 'echo chamber' up and running.

SEVENTEEN: A Vast, Right-wing Conspiracy
1970's unkind to Republicans, "never another Watergate"; Clinton the murderer; the politics of personal destruction; Richard Mellon Scaife, 'Justice Jim' Thompson, indicted embezzler Judge Hale; cycle of revenge; American Enterprise Institute; right-wing philanthropy; The Heritage Foundation and the 'kitchen cabinet'; the 'liberal media'; Moon and Christians unite; The Council for National Policy; tabloidesque anti-Clinton videos; political action committees; the language of propaganda; Wednesday morning meetings; sex sells; judicial activism and the Federalist Society; Bohemia Grove; Project For a New American Century (PNAC).

EIGHTEEN: 1993-1998
Racists 'Justice Jim', Sheffield Nelson, embezzler Judge Hale target Clinton; Rush Limbaugh claims Foster murdered; Richard Scaife, American Spectator; George W elected TX Governor; veterans file Gulf War Syndrome lawsuit; Linda Tripp last to see Foster alive; Gingrich takes Congress; Paula Jones, backed by Scaife, Federalist Society, announces sex-harassment suit; Bush Sr's own RTC probe into Whitewater concludes Clintons not guilty; Commerce Secretary Ron Brown dies in plane crash while on Enron trip; TWA 800 crashes during naval missile-defense exercises; Halliburton targets Caspian Sea basin; Clinton pushes investigations into CIA drug trafficking; Unocal, Taliban talk Afghan pipeline; Clinton's omnibus terror bill reduced to uselessness by right; Jesse Helms, Trent Lott openly dismissive of terrorist threats; Ralph Reed, Gary Bauer, other religious right speak at Reverend Moon functions; Alger Hiss outlives Nixon; Bush Sr helps Reverend Moon overcome corruption charges in Argentina, launches another venture; Pat Robertson charity pilots say they fly supplies for diamond mines; Bush Jr decimates Texas' budget surplus; US Supreme Court rules in favor of twice-overturned Paula Jones suit; Clinton blocks Halliburton contracts because of recurring fraud accusations; Rumsfeld, Cheney in Project for the New American Century (PNAC) lobby for regime change in Iraq; government finally admits Gulf War Syndrome link- Bush Jr will later repeal; former sex spy for Nixon helps set up Tripp/Lewinsky; Fox News busted for falsifying news; George W's Texas Housing Dept rife with theft, fraud; 4-year CIA drug trafficking investigation reports 'no evidence,' probe staff director then commits suicide; Taliban hires former CIA director's daughter to improve image in US; Paula Jones accused of mishandling right-wing defense funds; Halliburton in Bosnia, building Bush's Enron stadium in Houston; AOL, with Colin Powell on board, pays the Drudge Report $3000 monthly to sling Republican dirt on Clintons; Drudge receives funds from the RNC and several right-wing foundations also; Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu visits first Reverend Falwell in US, then meets with President Clinton; numerous uncovered adulteries among conservative leaders get little attention from the press.

NINETEEN: 1999-2000
George W executes his 99th prisoner; hides from Dr. King Day celebrants; Halliburton, Shell, help African police shoot protestors; Republicans try to pin Chinese spy secrets on Clinton; George W's Texas record; Enron's only potential for profitability in India is trans-Afghanistan pipeline; re-opening Alger Hiss files after 50 years proves Nixon's deceit; Clinton freezes $300 million in Taliban assets as Bush Sr is courting Taliban for Carlyle Group, Unocal; John Kennedy Jr killed in plane crash; SCI, world's largest funeral conglomerate (and heavy contributors to Bush family) sued; Bush Jr perjures himself in depostition and fires the investigating team; Michael Powell of the FCC fails to recuse himself in the dubious AOL/Time-Warner merger, even though father Colin Powell sits on board, owns stock; St. Martin's Press kills release of Hatfield's Fortunate Son- book asserts Bush Jr's record for cocaine arrests expunged by Texas judge; another suicide connected to a Bush scandal; Halliburton everywhere US military goes, provides poor services- is investigated repeatedly for fraud; millennium terrorist plots at DC and LAX, Amman Radisson in Jordan, a constellation of holy sites in Israel, and USS Sullivan in Yemen are quietly foiled by Clinton administration; Election campaign 2000 begins; Bush Sr and Barbara clean up selling Global Crossing stocks right before scandal; PNAC publishes report calling for imperial America, with pre-emptive war policies, determined to let no other countries match power or dominance; NRA boasts a home in White House after election; USS Cole hit by suicide bombers; Bush ruins McCain in SC with racial, homosexual innuendo; Democrat Mel Carnahan, poised to beat John Ashcroft in MO, is killed in plane crash right before elections; Editor & Publisher magazine finds 2-1 bias in favor of George W among top press publishers, editorial decision-makers- all of whom have petitions before FCC to further de-regulate media; Enron's new enterprises with IBM, Blockbuster Video, AOL; British Ministry of Defence awards Halliburton $1/2 billion dollar contract; Bush campaign plants false stories about Gore falsehoods, position Bush Jr as honest; Bush election team plans to challenge Electoral College in projected loss to Gore; Paul Wellstone survives an assassination attempt in Columbia; Clinton spending on 'domestic terrorism security' jumps from $42 million to $1.5 billion; right before Bush-Gore debate, Arial Sharon commits Muslim sacrilege with armed troops; Clinton-Gore peace progress disappears in another intifadah; Burke's Peerage writes: "Not one Bush family member...was ever working class, middle class, or even upper middle class, ever." Gore's American bloodline includes Thomas Jefferson, Daniel Boone and England’s Edward I- best known as the king who defeated and executed Braveheart.


TWENTY: Election 2000


TWENTY-ONE: 2001, Pre-9/11
CIA briefs Condi Rice on bin Laden threat; George W suspends bin Laden investigations; FAA warns of hijackings; Moon hosts inaugural lunch- Ashcroft speaks, Billy Graham, most major televangelists in attendance; 25,000 protestors line Presidential route, hurling eggs, insults; Bush rehires felons from father's administration; average net worth of Bush cabinet ten times that of Clinton's; Senators Hart, Rudman send urgent anti-terror package to Condi Rice; Enron, others help bankrupt California by manipulating market, meet secretly with VP Cheney; Cheney mocks energy conservationism; Carlyle Group, Donald Rumsfeld meet; Judicial Watch criticizes Bush Sr Carlyle Group role; Bush camp makes Paul Wellstone a priority to beat; J. Baxter warns Ken Lay about Enron irregularities; nuclear sub USS Greenville- Repub donor at helm- sinks Japanese boat, killing nine; Prescott Bush Jr opens US-China Chamber of Commerce, assists George W with spy plane incident; US quietly increases troop strength around Caspian Sea; media targets missing Dem aide Chandra Levy, ignores dead Repub aide found under suspicious circumstances; many indications collected by NSA of “possible, imminent terrorist attack;” John Ashcroft stops flying commercially; anti-aircraft weapons protect Bush at G8 summit; arresting officers find discredited author of Bush Jr expose' dead by suicide; George W takes August off- receives intelliegence brief on imminent terrorist threat in America; five hundred Arab/Muslim websites crash when FBI raids ISP; in days before 9/11 abnormally high levels of put options purchased on United Air Lines, American Airlines; John O'Neill quits anti-terrorism team as State Dept blocks al Qaida investigations, becomes Security Chief at World Trade Center; on 9/10 Ashcroft refuses FBI. counterterrorism budget increases.

TWENTY-TWO: 9/11- The New Pearl Harbor


TWENTY-THREE: The New World Order
Two days after 9/11 China allowed into World Trade Organization- after fifteen years of unsuccessful attempts; those wierd airline 'put' orders; Patriot Act rammed through Congress with little review; anthrax scare; aiming at Iraq; Carlyle investors reap a series of defense windfalls; problems with the FBI; Michael Powell further de-regulates public airways; US uses news to tie Iraq to anthtrax scare, scientists debunk; Wall Street Journal reveals bin Laden connection to Bush Sr's Carlyle Group; Enron restates its earnings; dead and missing microbiologists; Halliburton gets contracts in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay; FBI waits 90 days to 'raid' Enron; largest US defense budget in history; US bombs Afghanistan; Lockheed and the Bushes; Paul Wellstone battles Republican Congress.

TWENTY-FOUR: The New World Order, Part II
Enron corruption exposed, other giants fall; Enron's Baxter dead by suicide week before testimony; Carlyle Group invests in communications; Daniel Pearl kidnapped; Bush uses Sasha Cohen to hawk for Beef Association; senior VP of El Paso Corp, during questioning about El Paso's finances and connection to Enron, dead of gunshot suicide; Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan sign agreement on Afghan gas pipeline; Judicial Watch accuses Halliburton of overstating earnings by $445 million under Dick Cheney; states lose their pension to Enron; another SCI 'Funeralgate' in Florida, investigator commits suicide; how Enron/El Paso ripped off CA; Rupert Murdoch pays almost nothing in American taxes; a second panel of acoustical scientists conclude a 2nd gunman shot at the 1963 Kennedy motorcade, to a 96% degree of certainty; European press deflates White House spin on Iraq by exposing PNAC's Rebuilding America’s Defenses, which called for Iraqi invasion before Bush even took office; Wellstone votes against key components of the Bush agenda, including Homeland Security, the Iraqi invasion, ANWR oil drilling, aid to Columbia, subsidies to energy companies, etc, and advocates strenuously against many of Bush's judicial nominees; 20th anniversary of the Washington Times; Wellstone votes against war in Iraq, support for his campaign swells; right before election, Wellstone killed in a plane crash; serious problems with voting machines, inequities in general elections; Florida settles with NAACP for illegally purging tens of thousands of black voters (the names remain off the rolls for the midterm elections, as well). Carlyle Group expands to Europe, Asia.

TWENTY-FIVE: The Future Ain't What it Used to Be
The Saudi-US connection; manufacturing bombs; Carlyle Group’s 36% annual rate of return wins investors' Dream Team of the Year award; Clear Channel, with George W business partner Tom Hicks at vice chair, dominates US radio market, uses its clout (and programming like Rush Limbaugh's show) to advance Bush policies; Clear Channel runs pro-war rallies, sponsored by local radio stations, that denigrate progressives and Democrats; Clear Channel gets bigger as FCC continues to de-regulate; Schwarzenegger announces plan to quietly settle Enron, El Paso lawsuits; faith-based strategies a disaster in TX; Bush Sr buys Italian cigarette company; White House admits it has created a 'Shadow Government' to take over underground in emergency, not a single Democrat is involved; WorldCom busted for fraud, then granted large Iraqi contracts; Carlyle Group buys Britain's defense research institute; Human Rights groups charge Shell, Texaco, ExxonMobile, Unocal with abetting muder, rape, intimidation in Nigeria, Burma, etc; more voter machine funny business; Halliburton profits up 40%; born-again Christians in charge of war against Islam; General Tommy Franks predicts suspension of Constitution; US government plan for market allowing traders to bet on likelihood of terror attacks, assassinations and other Middle East events- headed by Iran-Contra felon John Poindexter- nixed after public outcry, then quietly revived by private firm that helped develop it; Wal-Mart destroying American commerce singlehandedly; corporations sending jobs to India; human genome research demonstates a gene-specific weapon can be produced, PNAC calls such a weapon potentially "a politically useful tool."



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10. WHISTLEBLOWER SIBIL EDMONDS Letter to 911 Commission
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Open Letter To Thomas Kean – Chairman Of The 9/11 Commission - From FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds
August 1, 2004

Thomas Kean, Chairman
National Committee on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
301 7th Street, SW
Room 5125
Washington, DC 20407

Dear Chairman Kean:

It has been almost three years since the terrorist attacks on September 11; during which time we, the people, have been placed under a constant threat of terror and asked to exercise vigilance in our daily lives. Your commission, the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States, was created by law to investigate “facts and circumstances related to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001” and to “provide recommendations to safeguard against future acts of terrorism”, and has now issued its “9/11 Commission Report”. You are now asking us to pledge our support for this report, its recommendations, and implementation of these recommendations, with our trust and backing, our tax money, our security, and our lives. Unfortunately, I find your report seriously flawed in its failure to address serious intelligence issues that I am aware of, which have been confirmed, and which as a witness to the commission, I made you aware of. Thus, I must assume that other serious issues that I am not aware of were in the same manner omitted from your report. These omissions cast doubt on the validity of your report and therefore on its conclusions and recommendations. Considering what is at stake, our national security, we are entitled to demand answers to unanswered questions, and to ask for clarification of issues that were ignored and/or omitted from the report. I, Sibel Edmonds, a concerned American Citizen, a former FBI translator, a whistleblower, a witness for a United States Congressional investigation, a witness and a plaintiff for the Department of Justice Inspector General investigation, and a witness for your own 9/11 Commission investigation, request your answers to, and your public acknowledgement of, the following questions and issues:

After the terrorist attacks of September 11 we, the translators at the FBI’s largest and most important translation unit, were told to slow down, even stop, translation of critical information related to terrorist activities so that the FBI could present the United States Congress with a record of ‘extensive backlog of untranslated documents’, and justify its request for budget and staff increases. While FBI agents from various field offices were desperately seeking leads and suspects, and completely depending on FBI HQ and its language units to provide them with needed translated information, hundreds of translators were being told by their administrative supervisors not to translate and to let the work pile up ( please refer to the CBS-60 Minutes transcript dated October 2002, and provided to your investigators in January-February 2004). This issue has been confirmed by the Senate Judiciary Committee ( Please refer to Senator Grassley and Senator Leahy’s letters during the summer of 2002, provided to your investigators in January-February 2004). This confirmed report has been reported to be substantiated by the Department of Justice Inspector General Report (Please refer to DOJ-IG report Re: Sibel Edmonds and FBI Translation, provided to you prior to the completion of your report). I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue and the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this. ( Please refer to tape-recorded 3.5 hours testimony by Sibel Edmonds, provided to your investigators on February 11, 2004).

Today, almost three years after 9/11, and more than two years since this information has been confirmed and made available to our government, the administrators in charge of language departments of the FBI remain in their positions and in charge of the information front lines of the FBI’s Counter terrorism and Counterintelligence efforts. Your report has omitted any reference to this most serious issue, has foregone any accountability what so ever, and your recommendations have refrained from addressing this issue, which when left un-addressed will have even more serious consequences. This issue is systemic and departmental. Why did your report choose to exclude this information and this serious issue despite the evidence and briefings you received? How can budget increases address and resolve this misconduct by mid-level bureaucratic management? How can the addition of a new bureaucratic layer, “ Intelligence Czar”, in its cocoon removed from the action lines, address and resolve this problem?

Melek Can Dickerson, a Turkish Translator, was hired by the FBI after September 11, and was placed in charge of translating the most sensitive information related to terrorists and criminals under the Bureau’s investigation. Melek Can Dickerson was granted Top Secret Clearance, which can be granted only after conducting a thorough background investigation. Melek Can Dickerson used to work for a semi-legit organizations that were the FBI’s targets of investigation. Melek Can Dickerson had on going relationships with two individuals who were FBI’s targets of investigation. For months Melek Can Dickerson blocked all-important information related to these semi-legit organizations and the individuals she and her husband associated with. She stamped hundreds, if not thousands, of documents related to these targets as ‘ Not Pertinent.’ Melek Can Dickerson attempted to prevent others from translating these documents important to the FBI’s investigations and our fight against terrorism. Melek Can Dickerson, with the assistance of her direct supervisor, Mike Feghali, took hundreds of pages of top-secret sensitive intelligence documents outside the FBI to unknown recipients. Melek Can Dickerson, with the assistance of her direct supervisor, forged signatures on top-secret documents related to certain 9/11 detainees. After all these incidents were confirmed and reported to FBI management, Melek Can Dickerson was allowed to remain in her position, to continue the translation of sensitive intelligence received by the FBI, and to maintain her Top Secret clearance. Apparently bureaucratic mid-level FBI management and administrators decided that it would not look good for the Bureau if this security breach and espionage case was investigated and made public, especially after going through Robert Hanssen’s case (FBI spy scandal). This case (Melek Can Dickerson) was confirmed by the Senate Judiciary Committee ( Please refer to Senator Leahy and Grassley’s letters dated June 19 and August 13, 2002, and Senator Grassley’s statement on CBS-60 Minutes in October 2002, provided to your investigators in January-February 2004). This Dickerson incident received major coverage by the press (Please refer to media background provided to your investigators in January-February 2004). According to Director Mueller, the Inspector General criticized the FBI for failing to adequately pursue this espionage report regarding Melek Can Dickerson ( Please refer to DOJ-IG report Re: Sibel Edmonds and FBI Translation, provided to you prior to the completion of your report). I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue, the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this, and additional documents. ( Please refer to tape-recorded 3.5 hours testimony by Sibel Edmonds, provided to your investigators on February 11, 2004).

Today, more than two years since the Dickerson incident was reported to the FBI, and more than two years since this information was confirmed by the United States Congress and reported by the press, these administrators in charge of FBI personnel security and language departments in the FBI remain in their positions and in charge of translation quality and translation departments’ security. Melek Can Dickerson and several FBI targets of investigation hastily left the United States in 2002, and the case still remains uninvestigated criminally. Not only does the supervisor facilitating these criminal conducts remain in a supervisory position, he has been promoted to supervising Arabic language units of the FBI’s Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence investigations. Your report has omitted these significant incidents, has foregone any accountability what so ever, and your recommendations have refrained from addressing this serious information security breach and highly likely espionage issue. This issue needs to be investigated and criminally prosecuted. The translation of our intelligence is being entrusted to individuals with loyalties to our enemies. Important ‘chit-chats’ and ‘chatters’ are being intentionally blocked. Why did your report choose to exclude this information and these serious issues despite the evidence and briefings you received? How can budget increases address and resolve this misconduct by mid-level bureaucratic management? How can the addition of a new bureaucratic layer, “Intelligence Czar”, in its cocoon removed from the action lines, address and resolve this problem?

Over three years ago, more than four months prior to the September 11 terrorist attacks, in April 2001, a long-term FBI informant/asset who had been providing the bureau with information since 1990, provided two FBI agents and a translator with specific information regarding a terrorist attack being planned by Osama Bin Laden. This asset/informant was previously a high-level intelligence officer in Iran in charge of intelligence from Afghanistan. Through his contacts in Afghanistan he received information that: 1) Osama Bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack in the United States targeting 4-5 major cities, 2) the attack was going to involve airplanes, 3) some of the individuals in charge of carrying out this attack were already in place in the United States, 4) the attack was going to be carried out soon, in a few months. The agents who received this information reported it to their superior, Special Agent in Charge of Counterterrorism, Thomas Frields, at the FBI Washington Field Office, by filing “302” forms, and the translator translated and documented this information. No action was taken by the Special Agent in Charge, and after 9/11 the agents and the translators were told to ‘keep quiet’ regarding this issue. The translator who was present during the session with the FBI informant, Mr. Behrooz Sarshar, reported this incident to Director Mueller in writing, and later to the Department of Justice Inspector General. The press reported this incident, and in fact the report in the Chicago Tribune on July 21, 2004 stated that FBI officials had confirmed that this information was received in April 2001, and further, the Chicago Tribune quoted an aide to Director Mueller that he (Mueller) was surprised that the Commission never raised this particular issue with him during the hearing ( Please refer to Chicago Tribune article, dated July 21, 2004). Mr. Sarshar reported this issue to your investigators on February 12, 2004, and provided them with specific dates, location, witness names, and the contact information for that particular Iranian asset and the two special agents who received the information ( Please refer to the tape-recorded testimony provided to your investigators during a 2.5 hours testimony by Mr. Sarshar on February 12, 2004). I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue, the names of other witnesses, and documents I had seen. ( Please refer to tape-recorded 3.5 hours testimony by Sibel Edmonds, provided to your investigators on February 11, 2004). Mr. Sarshar also provided the Department of Justice Inspector General with specific information regarding this issue ( Please refer to DOJ-IG report Re: Sibel Edmonds and FBI Translation, provided to you prior to the completion of your report).

After almost three years since September 11, many officials still refuse to admit to having specific information regarding the terrorists’ plans to attack the United States. The Phoenix Memo, received months prior to the 9/11 attacks, specifically warned FBI HQ of pilot training and their possible link to terrorist activities against the United States. Four months prior to the terrorist attacks the Iranian asset provided the FBI with specific information regarding the ‘ use of airplanes’, ‘major US cities as targets’, and ‘Osama Bin Laden issuing the order.’ Coleen Rowley likewise reported that specific information had been provided to FBI HQ. All this information went to the same place: FBI Headquarters in Washington, DC, and the FBI Washington Field Office, in Washington DC. Yet, your report claims that not having a central place where all intelligence could be gathered as one of the main factors in our intelligence failure. Why did your report choose to exclude the information regarding the Iranian asset and Behrooz Sarshar from its timeline of missed opportunities? Why was this significant incident not mentioned; despite the public confirmation by the FBI, witnesses provided to your investigators, and briefings you received directly? Why did you surprise even Director Mueller by refraining from asking him questions regarding this significant incident and lapse during your hearing ( Please remember that you ran out of questions during your hearings with Director Mueller and AG John Ashcroft, so please do not cite a ‘time limit’ excuse)? How can budget increases address and resolve these problems and failure to follow up by mid-level bureaucratic management at FBI Headquarters? How can the addition of a new bureaucratic layer, “ Intelligence Czar”, in its cocoon removed from the action lines, address and resolve this problem?

Over two years ago, and after two ‘unclassified’ sessions with FBI officials, the Senate Judiciary Committee sent letters to Director Mueller, Attorney General Ashcroft, and Inspector General Glenn Fine regarding the existence of unqualified translators in charge of translating high level sensitive intelligence. The FBI confirmed at least one case: Kevin Taskesen, a Turkish translator, had been given a job as an FBI translator, despite the fact that he had failed all FBI language proficiency tests. In fact, Kevin could not understand or speak even elementary level English. He had failed English proficiency tests and did not even score sufficiently in the target language. Still, Kevin Taskesen was hired, not due to lack of other qualified translator candidates, but because his wife worked in FBI Headquarters as a language proficiency exam administrator. Almost everybody in FBI Headquarters and the FBI Washington Field Office knew about Kevin. Yet, Kevin was given the task of translating the most sensitive terrorist related information, and he was sent to Guantanamo Bay to translate the interrogation of and information for all Turkic language detainees (Turkish, Uzbeks, Turkmen, etc.). The FBI was supposed to be trying to obtain information regarding possible future attack plans from these detainees, and yet, the FBI knowingly sent unqualified translators to gather and translate this information. Further, these detainees were either released or detained or prosecuted based on information received and translated by unqualified translators knowingly sent there by the FBI. Senator Grassley and Senator Leahy publicly confirmed Kevin Taskesen’s case ( Please refer to Senate letters and documents provided to your investigators in January-February 2004). CBS-60 Minutes showed Kevin’s picture and stated his name as one of the unqualified translators sent to Guantanamo Bay, and as a case confirmed by the FBI ( Please refer to CBS-60 Minutes transcript provided to your investigators). Department of Justice Inspector General had a detailed account of these problems ( Please refer to DOJ-IG report Re: Sibel Edmonds and FBI Translation, provided to you prior to the completion of your report). I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue and the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this. ( Please refer to tape-recorded 3.5 hours testimony by Sibel Edmonds, provided to your investigators on February 11, 2004).

After more than two years since Kevin Taskesen’s case was publicly confirmed, and after almost two years since CBS-60 Minutes broadcasted Taskesen’s case, Kevin Taskesen remains in his position, as a sole Turkish and Turkic language translator for the FBI Washington Field Office. After admitting that Kevin Taskesen was not qualified to perform the task of translating sensitive intelligence and investigation of terrorist activities, the FBI still keeps him in charge of translating highly sensitive documents and leads. Those individuals in the FBI’s hiring department and those who facilitated the hiring of unqualified translators due to nepotism/cronyism are still in those departments and remain in their positions. Yet, your report does not mention this case, or these chronic problems within the FBI translation departments, and within the FBI’s hiring and screening departments. The issue of accountability for those responsible for these practices that endangers our national security is not brought up even once in your report. This issue, as with others, is systemic and departmental. Why did your report choose to exclude this information and these serious issues despite the evidence and briefings you received? How can budget increases address and resolve the intentional continuation of ineptitude and incompetence by mid-level bureaucratic management? How can the addition of a new bureaucratic layer, “ Intelligence Czar”, in its cocoon removed from the action lines, address and resolve this problem?

In October 2001, approximately one month after the September 11 attack, an agent from a (city name omitted) field office, re-sent a certain document to the FBI Washington Field Office, so that it could be re-translated. This Special Agent, in light of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, rightfully believed that, considering his target of investigation (the suspect under surveillance), and the issues involved, the original translation might have missed certain information that could prove to be valuable in the investigation of terrorist activities. After this document was received by the FBI Washington Field Office and retranslated verbatim, the field agent’s hunch appeared to be correct. The new translation revealed certain information regarding blueprints, pictures, and building material for skyscrapers being sent overseas. It also revealed certain illegal activities in obtaining visas from certain embassies in the Middle East, through network contacts and bribery. However, after the re-translation was completed and the new significant information was revealed, the unit supervisor in charge of certain Middle Eastern languages, Mike Feghali, decided NOT to send the re-translated information to the Special Agent who had requested it. Instead, this supervisor decided to send this agent a note stating that the translation was reviewed and that the original translation was accurate. This supervisor stated that sending the accurate translation would hurt the original translator and would cause problems for the FBI language department. The FBI agent requesting the retranslation never received the accurate translation of that document. I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue, the name and date of this particular investigation, and the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this. ( Please refer to tape-recorded 3.5 hours testimony by Sibel Edmonds, provided to your investigators on February 11, 2004). This information was also provided to the Department of Justice Inspector General (Please refer to DOJ-IG report Re: Sibel Edmonds and FBI Translation, provided to you prior to the completion of your report).

Only one month after the catastrophic events of September 11; while many agents were working around the clock to obtain leads and information, and to investigate those responsible for the attacks, those with possible connections to the attack, and those who might be planning possible future attacks; the bureaucratic administrators in the FBI’s largest and most important translation unit were covering up their past failures, blocking important leads and information, and jeopardizing on going terrorist investigations. The supervisor involved in this incident, Mike Feghali, was in charge of certain important Middle Eastern languages within the FBI Washington Field Office, and had a record of previous misconducts. After this supervisor’s several severe misconducts were reported to the FBI’s higher-level management, after his conducts were reported to the Inspector General’s Office, to the United States Congress, and to the 9/11 Commission, he was promoted to include the FBI’s Arabic language unit under his supervision. Today this supervisor, Mike Feghali, remains in the FBI Washington Field Office and is in charge of a language unit receiving those chitchats that our color-coded threat system is based upon. Yet your report contains zero information regarding these systemic problems that led us to our failure in preventing the 9/11 terrorist attacks. In your report, there are no references to individuals responsible for hindering past and current investigations, or those who are willing to compromise our security and our lives for their career advancement and security. This issue, as with others, is systemic and departmental. Why does your report choose to exclude this information and these serious issues despite all the evidence and briefings you received? Why does your report adamantly refrain from assigning any accountability to any individuals responsible for our past and current failures? How can budget increases address and resolve these intentional acts committed by self-serving career civil servants? How can the addition of a new bureaucratic layer, “ Intelligence Czar”, in its cocoon removed from the action lines, address and resolve this problem?

The latest buzz topic regarding intelligence is the problem of sharing information/intelligence within intelligence agencies and between intelligence agencies. To this date the public has not been told of intentional blocking of intelligence, and has not been told that certain information, despite its direct links, impacts and ties to terrorist related activities, is not given to or shared with Counterterrorism units, their investigations, and countering terrorism related activities. This was the case prior to 9/11, and remains in effect after 9/11. If Counterintelligence receives information that contains money laundering, illegal arms sale, and illegal drug activities, directly linked to terrorist activities; and if that information involves certain nations, certain semi-legit organizations, and ties to certain lucrative or political relations in this country, then, that information is not shared with Counterterrorism, regardless of the possible severe consequences. In certain cases, frustrated FBI agents cited ‘ direct pressure by the State Department,’ and in other cases ‘sensitive diplomatic relations’ is cited. The Department of Justice Inspector General received detailed and specific information and evidence regarding this issue ( Please refer to DOJ-IG report Re: Sibel Edmonds and FBI Translation, provided to you prior to the completion of your report). I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue, the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this, and the names of certain U.S. officials involved in these transactions and activities. ( Please refer to tape-recorded 3.5 hours testimony by Sibel Edmonds, provided to your investigators on February 11, 2004).

After almost three years the American people still do not know that thousands of lives can be jeopardized under the unspoken policy of ‘ protecting certain foreign business relations.’ The victims family members still do not realize that information and answers they have sought relentlessly for over two years has been blocked due to the unspoken decisions made and disguised under ‘ safeguarding certain diplomatic relations.’ Your report did not even attempt to address these unspoken practices, although, unlike me, you were not placed under any gag. Your hearings did not include questions regarding these unspoken and unwritten policies and practices. Despite your full awareness and understanding of certain criminal conduct that connects to certain terrorist related activities, committed by certain U.S. officials and high-level government employees, you have not proposed criminal investigations into this conduct, although under the laws of this country you are required to do so. How can budget increases address and resolve these problems, when some of them are caused by unspoken practices and unwritten policies? How can a new bureaucratic layer, “ Intelligence Czar”, in its cocoon removed from the action lines, override these unwritten policies and unspoken practices incompatible with our national security?


I know for a fact that problems regarding intelligence translation cannot be brushed off as minor problems among many significant problems. Translation units are the frontline in gathering, translating, and disseminating intelligence. A warning in advance of the next terrorist attack may, and probably will, come in the form of a message or document in foreign language that will have to be translated. That message may be given to the translation unit headed and supervised by someone like Mike Feghali, who slows down, even stops, translations for the purpose of receiving budget increases for his department, who has participated in certain criminal activities and security breaches, and who has been engaged in covering up failures and criminal conducts within the department, so it may never be translated in time if ever. That message may go to Kevin Taskesen, or another unqualified translator; so it may never be translated correctly and be acted upon. That message may go to a sympathizer within the language department; so it may never be translated fully, if at all. That message may come to the attention of an agent of a foreign organization who works as a translator in the FBI translation department, who may choose to block it; so it may never get translated. If then an attack occurs, which could have been prevented by acting on information in that message, who will tell family members of the new terrorist attack victims that nothing more could have been done? There will be no excuse that we did not know, because we do know.

I am writing this letter in light of my direct experience within the FBI’s translation unit during the most crucial times after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, in light of my first hand knowledge of certain problems and cases within the Bureau’s language units, and in light of what has already been established as facts. As you are fully aware, the facts, incidents, and problems cited in this letter are by NO means based upon personal opinion or un-verified allegations. As you are fully aware, these issues and incidents were found confirmed by a Senior Republican Senator, Charles Grassley, and a Senior Democrat Senator, Patrick Leahy. As you know, according to officials with direct knowledge of the Department of Justice Inspector General’s report on my allegations, ‘ none of my allegations were disproved.’ As you are fully aware, even FBI officials ‘ confirmed all my allegations and denied none’ during their unclassified meetings with the Senate Judiciary staff over two years ago. However, neither your commission’s hearings, nor your commission’s five hundred sixty seven-page report, nor your recommendations include these serious issues, major incidents, and systemic problems. Your report’s coverage of FBI translation problems consists of a brief microscopic footnote (Footnote #25). Yet, your commission is geared to start aggressively pressuring our government to hastily implement your measures and recommendations based upon your incomplete and deficient report.

In order to cure a problem, one must have an accurate diagnosis. In order to correctly diagnose a problem, one must consider and take into account all visible symptoms. Your Commission’s investigations, hearings, and report have chosen not to consider many visible symptoms. I am emphasizing ‘visible’, because these symptoms have been long recognized by experts from the intelligence community and have been written about in the press. I am emphasizing ‘visible’ because the few specific symptoms I provided you with in this letter have been confirmed and publicly acknowledged. During its many hearings your commission chose not to ask the questions necessary to unveil the true symptoms of our failed intelligence system. Your Commission intentionally bypassed these severe symptoms, and chose not to include them in its five hundred and sixty seven-page report. Now, without a complete list of our failures pre 9/11, without a comprehensive examination of true symptoms that exist in our intelligence system, without assigning any accountability what so ever, and therefore, without a sound and reliable diagnosis, your commission is attempting to divert attention from the real problems, and to prescribe a cure through hasty and costly measures. It is like attempting to put a gold-lined expensive porcelain cap over a deeply decayed tooth with a rotten root, without first treating the root, and without first cleaning/shaving the infected tooth.


Respectfully,

Sibel D. Edmonds

CC: Senate Judiciary Committee
CC: Senate Intelligence Committee
CC: House Government Reform Committee
CC: Family Steering Committee
CC: Press

___________________________________________________________________

From Interview with Sibil Edmonds, former FBI translator

CD: Hmm, well I know you can't name names, but can you tell me if any specific officials will suffer if your testimony comes out?

SE: Yes. Certain elected officials will stand trial and go to prison.


"The translator alluded to additional but more volatile allegations in a phone call on Friday night to Kyle Hence, cofounder of 9-11 Citizens Watch, who said in a widely distributed email that Edmonds told him 'if what she knows is revealed, it could lead to charges of treason being leveled against officials at top levels of the U.S. government,'" Flocco writes. <8>

"Hence added, 'If that is the case, then all those who have been involved in keeping this information from getting to the public are complicit in this treason.'"




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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:08 PM
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15. COMING SOON-CHENEY-HALLIBURTON-RUMSFGELD-KHAN-N.KOREA & VARIOUS ILLEGIT
COMING SOON - CHENEY-HALLIBURTON-RUMSFELD-KHAN-N.KOREA & MORE


stay tuned.....

more illegal doo-doo than could ever be cleaned up from

the 1980 regime to the current regime -

Where did Pakistani Khan (of Nuclear Walmart Is Us) get the nuclear bomb(s)?

You'll love the answer to that one


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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:11 PM
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18. REPORTER JOE KLEIN-TIME MAGAZINE - broad hints


"PLENTY MORE TO SWEAR ABOUT" by Joe Klein


Sunday, Jun. 27, 2004

Plenty More to Swear About

By JOE KLEIN

The Vulcans — a campaign 2000 nickname for George W. Bush's hawkish national security team — went Krakatoa last week. Dick Cheney erupted on the Senate floor, deploying the F word against Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy, who had been belaboring the Vice President over the no-bid deals that Cheney's old company, Halliburton, had scored in Iraq. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz suffered a meltdown in a House Armed Services Committee hearing, blasting the press for "sitting in Baghdad" and "printing rumors." (He later apologized.) And the White House was forced to acknowledge that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had approved, at least for a while, the use of dogs, nudity, stress positions — that is, torture — against enemy combatants. Indeed, Rumsfeld, who works at a stand-up desk, indicated a desire for at least one more strenuous stress position: "I stand 8-10 hours a day," he scrawled on a memo. "Why is standing limited to 4 hours?"

Presumably the Secretary of Defense doesn't do his standing naked, continuously, in the middle of the night, surrounded by hostile guards and attack dogs. But then, Rumsfeld's blustery testosteronics are at the heart of what has gone wrong with the Bush foreign policy — and last week the assorted temper tantrums appeared to be a leading indicator of a gathering summer storm confronting this presidency.


The torture investigation is one of four major defensive battles the Administration is facing. In the weeks to come, the White House will also have to deal with the 9/11 commission's final report, the congressional investigations into the CIA's bungled assessment of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and a special prosecutor's hunt for the White House leakers who blew the cover of CIA secret operative Valerie Plame. Not only is the Administration defending itself against the Democrats, the investigators and the media. Two other serious, surreptitious — and quite possibly unprecedented — battles are going on: the intelligence community is at war with the White House, and the uniformed military is at war with the civilian leadership of the Pentagon. The first conflict went public last week with news of the impending publication of Imperial Hubris: Why the West Is Losing the War on Terrorism, a book by an anonymous author who is known to be a senior CIA official and former chief of the agency's Osama bin Laden station. The invasion of Iraq was "an avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked war against a foe who posed no immediate threat," the author writes. "There is nothing that bin Laden could have hoped for more than the American invasion and occupation of Iraq."

Michael Moore couldn't have said it any better — and this book was vetted by CIA censors. In fact, the views of Anonymous are an accurate reflection of the opinions I've heard from multiple intelligence sources. The spooks seem to believe that outgoing CIA Director George Tenet was strong-armed by Cheney and Rumsfeld into overassessing Iraq's WMD capacity. This may or may not be true, but it is the conventional wisdom in the intelligence community. Furthermore, there is intense anger over the White House's revealing the identity of Plame, who may have been active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components. Plame was outed in a White House attempt to discredit the finding of her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, that there was no evidence that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger. "Only a very high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the payroll" of the CIA, an intelligence source told me.

more...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,11010 ...

I reprint this article that we have been referencing since the first thread because the knowledge of this "sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components" provides us with clues for a MOTIVE to blow Valerie Plame's cover. Exploring the reasons "why" gives us a clearer understanding of the scope of this treasonous act and leads to the next logical query in any criminal investigation: who benefited?


Here's the $1.2 million link


Maybe RebelYell could send this along with Cheney speech link to Robert Palast. He'd laugh his ass off and spread the word!

A Halliburton Primer
Thursday, July 11, 2002


Following President Bush's demand for more corporate accountability, public interest group Judicial Watch, Inc., filed suit against Vice President Cheney and the Halliburton Company, alleging accounting fraud during Cheney's stewardship of Halliburton in the 1990s. The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is also investigating Halliburton's accounting practices.


Judicial Watch Sues Cheney, Halliburton (AP, July 10, 2002)

Following is a brief explanation of Cheney's involvment with Halliburton and the pending lawsuit and SEC investigation.

What is Halliburton Co.?

The Dallas-based Halliburton Company provides products and services to the petroleum and energy industries to aid in the exploration, development and production of natural resources. Halliburton KBR, the company's engineering and construction division, designs, builds and provides additional services for the energy industry, governments and civil infrastructure. Halliburton employs 85,000 people in over 100 countries.

Halliburton came under fire in the early '90s for supplying Libya and Iraq with oil drilling equipment which could be used to detonate nuclear weapons. Halliburton Logging Services, a former subsidiary, was charged with shipping six pulse neutron generators through Italy to Libya. In 1995, the company pled guilty to criminal charges that it violated the U.S. ban on exports to Libya. Halliburton was fined $1.2 million and will pay $2.61 million in civil penalties.

During his chairmanship of Halliburton, Cheney criticized U.S. sanctions against "rogue" nations such as Iran and Libya in a 1998 speech. According to a July 26, 2000, Washington Post story, Cheney complained the sanctions "are nearly always motivated by domestic political pressure, the need for Congress to appeal to some domestic constituency."

On Edit - and there's a little matter of selling to Iraq, Iran, Syrria, Libya, Burma, Pakistan, you name it....under offshore companies, too.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:17 PM
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20. HENRY KISSINGER - SUGGGESTS HOW TO MANIPULATE AMERICANS
Heinz Kissinger is in business with Carlyle,(Pappy Bush of the New
World Order), and Richard Perle (of Project For A New American Century, PNAC, Neo-Cons). Fourth Reich anyone?

Henry Kissinger: A little manipulation should get them ready

-911 anyone?


"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los

Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is

especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from

beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very

existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with

world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every

man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario,

individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee

of their well being granted to them by their world government."



Henry Kissinger, Speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992. Bilderberg

meeting.


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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:31 PM
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22. THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION - google membership
Pappy Bush, Kissinger and a few other very recognizable names:


And of course Pappy is a member. New World Order, anyone?

"The Trilateralist Commission is international... ...is

intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the

commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political

government of the United States. The Trilateralist Commission

represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and

consolidate the four centers of power - political, monetary,

intellectual, and ecclesiastical."



Barry Goldwater (1909-1998) US Senator (R-Arizona), in his book "With No Apologies"


On Edit - The Trilateral Commission subscribes to the One World Government philosopy with them as "it" - Carlyle appears to be'
an offshoot of Trilateral.

We view it as a mafia type setup The Godfather to the families to the various branches/soldiers.

The wlefare of the citizens of each country they overtake is not a
prime concern. As a matter of fact, it is of no concern, as you may
see from the outsourcing of your jobs, increased prices for basic necessities such as gas and healthcare...

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:25 AM
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280. THE TITLE OF THIS POST IS IN ALL CAPS.
And it contains no content.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:44 PM
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24. TONY SOPRANO IS US - A Timeline of CIA Atrocities
Tony Soprano Is Us:


A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

By Steve Kangas

The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA. (1)

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment.

So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us."

The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

(Uhmmm. It's beginning to look like to me we've not only been G-8'd but we've been cia'd.

This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.

The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. (2) Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an "American Holocaust."

The CIA justifies these actions as part of its war against communism. But most coups do not involve a communist threat. Unlucky nations are targeted for a wide variety of reasons: not only threats to American business interests abroad, but also liberal or even moderate social reforms, political instability, the unwillingness of a leader to carry out Washington’s dictates, and declarations of neutrality in the Cold War. Indeed, nothing has infuriated CIA Directors quite like a nation’s desire to stay out of the Cold War.

The ironic thing about all this intervention is that it frequently fails to achieve American objectives. Often the newly installed dictator grows comfortable with the security apparatus the CIA has built for him. He becomes an expert at running a police state. And because the dictator knows he cannot be overthrown, he becomes independent and defiant of Washington's will. The CIA then finds it cannot overthrow him, because the police and military are under the dictator's control, afraid to cooperate with American spies for fear of torture and execution. The only two options for the U.S at this point are impotence or war. Examples of this "boomerang effect" include the Shah of Iran, General Noriega and Saddam Hussein. The boomerang effect also explains why the CIA has proven highly successful at overthrowing democracies, but a wretched failure at overthrowing dictatorships.

The following timeline should confirm that the CIA as we know it should be abolished and replaced by a true information-gathering and analysis organization. The CIA cannot be reformed — it is institutionally and culturally corrupt.

1929

The culture we lost — Secretary of State Henry Stimson refuses to endorse a code-breaking operation, saying, "Gentlemen do not read each other’s mail."

1941

COI created — In preparation for World War II, President Roosevelt creates the Office of Coordinator of Information (COI). General William "Wild Bill" Donovan heads the new intelligence service.

1942

OSS created — Roosevelt restructures COI into something more suitable for covert action, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Donovan recruits so many of the nation’s rich and powerful that eventually people joke that "OSS" stands for "Oh, so social!" or "Oh, such snobs!"

1943

Italy — Donovan recruits the Catholic Church in Rome to be the center of Anglo-American spy operations in Fascist Italy. This would prove to be one of America’s most enduring intelligence alliances in the Cold War.

1945

OSS is abolished — The remaining American information agencies cease covert actions and return to harmless information gathering and analysis.

Operation PAPERCLIP – While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the "Gehlen Organization," a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the "Butcher of Lyon"), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann) and SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny (a personal friend of Hitler’s). The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA. However, much of the "intelligence" the former Nazis provide is bogus. Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious "missile gap." To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Gehlen was supposed to protect.

1947

Greece — President Truman requests military aid to Greece to support right-wing forces fighting communist rebels. For the rest of the Cold War, Washington and the CIA will back notorious Greek leaders with deplorable human rights records.

CIA created — President Truman signs the National Security Act of 1947, creating the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council. The CIA is accountable to the president through the NSC — there is no democratic or congressional oversight. Its charter allows the CIA to "perform such other functions and duties… as the National Security Council may from time to time direct." This loophole opens the door to covert action and dirty tricks.

1948

Covert-action wing created — The CIA recreates a covert action wing, innocuously called the Office of Policy Coordination, led by Wall Street lawyer Frank Wisner. According to its secret charter, its responsibilities include "propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, antisabotage, demolition and evacuation procedures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."

Italy — The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. It works -- the communists are defeated.

1949

Radio Free Europe — The CIA creates its first major propaganda outlet, Radio Free Europe. Over the next several decades, its broadcasts are so blatantly false that for a time it is considered illegal to publish transcripts of them in the U.S.

Late 40s

Operation MOCKINGBIRD — The CIA begins recruiting American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda. The effort is headed by Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham is publisher of The Washington Post, which becomes a major CIA player. Eventually, the CIA’s media assets will include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service and more. By the CIA’s own admission, at least 25 organizations and 400 journalists will become CIA assets.

1953

Iran – CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.

Operation MK-ULTRA — Inspired by North Korea’s brainwashing program, the CIA begins experiments on mind control. The most notorious part of this project involves giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide. However, the operation involves far more than this. Funded in part by the Rockefeller and Ford foundations, research includes propaganda, brainwashing, public relations, advertising, hypnosis, and other forms of suggestion.

1954

Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.

1954-1958

North Vietnam — CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA’s continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War.

1956

Hungary — Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev’s Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.

1957-1973

Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Armee Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.

1959

Haiti — The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.

1961

The Bay of Pigs — The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro’s Cuba. But "Operation Mongoose" fails, due to poor planning, security and backing. The planners had imagined that the invasion will spark a popular uprising against Castro -– which never happens. A promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA’s first public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director Allen Dulles.

Dominican Republic — The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo’s business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests.

Ecuador — The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.

Congo (Zaire) — The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba’s politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.

1963

Dominican Republic — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta.

Ecuador — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.

1964

Brazil — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the next two decades, become one of the most bloodthirsty in history. General Castelo Branco will create Latin America’s first death squads, or bands of secret police who hunt down "communists" for torture, interrogation and murder. Often these "communists" are no more than Branco’s political opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.

1965

Indonesia — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA has been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, will massacre between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being "communist." The CIA supplies the names of countless suspects.

Dominican Republic — A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country’s elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes.

Greece — With the CIA’s backing, the king removes George Papandreous as prime minister. Papandreous has failed to vigorously support U.S. interests in Greece.

Congo (Zaire) — A CIA-backed military coup installs Mobutu Sese Seko as dictator. The hated and repressive Mobutu exploits his desperately poor country for billions.

1966

The Ramparts Affair — The radical magazine Ramparts begins a series of unprecedented anti-CIA articles. Among their scoops: the CIA has paid the University of Michigan $25 million dollars to hire "professors" to train South Vietnamese students in covert police methods. MIT and other universities have received similar payments. Ramparts also reveals that the National Students’ Association is a CIA front. Students are sometimes recruited through blackmail and bribery, including draft deferments.

1967

Greece — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government two days before the elections. The favorite to win was George Papandreous, the liberal candidate. During the next six years, the "reign of the colonels" — backed by the CIA — will usher in the widespread use of torture and murder against political opponents. When a Greek ambassador objects to President Johnson about U.S. plans for Cypress, Johnson tells him: "Fuck your parliament and your constitution."

Operation PHEONIX — The CIA helps South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in South Vietnamese villages. According to a 1971 congressional report, this operation killed about 20,000 "Viet Cong."

1968

Operation CHAOS — The CIA has been illegally spying on American citizens since 1959, but with Operation CHAOS, President Johnson dramatically boosts the effort. CIA agents go undercover as student radicals to spy on and disrupt campus organizations protesting the Vietnam War. They are searching for Russian instigators, which they never find. CHAOS will eventually spy on 7,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations.

Bolivia — A CIA-organized military operation captures legendary guerilla Che Guevara. The CIA wants to keep him alive for interrogation, but the Bolivian government executes him to prevent worldwide calls for clemency.

1969

Uruguay — The notorious CIA torturer Dan Mitrione arrives in Uruguay, a country torn with political strife. Whereas right-wing forces previously used torture only as a last resort, Mitrione convinces them to use it as a routine, widespread practice. "The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect," is his motto. The torture techniques he teaches to the death squads rival the Nazis’. He eventually becomes so feared that revolutionaries will kidnap and murder him a year later.

1970

Cambodia — The CIA overthrows Prince Sahounek, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people.

1971

Bolivia — After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed.

Haiti — "Papa Doc" Duvalier dies, leaving his 19-year old son "Baby Doc" Duvalier the dictator of Haiti. His son continues his bloody reign with full knowledge of the CIA.

1972

The Case-Zablocki Act — Congress passes an act requiring congressional review of executive agreements. In theory, this should make CIA operations more accountable. In fact, it is only marginally effective.

Cambodia — Congress votes to cut off CIA funds for its secret war in Cambodia.

Wagergate Break-in — President Nixon sends in a team of burglars to wiretap Democratic offices at Watergate. The team members have extensive CIA histories, including James McCord, E. Howard Hunt and five of the Cuban burglars. They work for the Committee to Reelect the President (CREEP), which does dirty work like disrupting Democratic campaigns and laundering Nixon’s illegal campaign contributions. CREEP’s activities are funded and organized by another CIA front, the Mullen Company.

1973

Chile — The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America’s first democratically elected socialist leader. The problems begin when Allende nationalizes American-owned firms in Chile. ITT offers the CIA $1 million for a coup (reportedly refused). The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left.

CIA begins internal investigations — William Colby, the Deputy Director for Operations, orders all CIA personnel to report any and all illegal activities they know about. This information is later reported to Congress.

Watergate Scandal — The CIA’s main collaborating newspaper in America, The Washington Post, reports Nixon’s crimes long before any other newspaper takes up the subject. The two reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, make almost no mention of the CIA’s many fingerprints all over the scandal. It is later revealed that Woodward was a Naval intelligence briefer to the White House, and knows many important intelligence figures, including General Alexander Haig. His main source, "Deep Throat," is probably one of those.

CIA Director Helms Fired — President Nixon fires CIA Director Richard Helms for failing to help cover up the Watergate scandal. Helms and Nixon have always disliked each other. The new CIA director is William Colby, who is relatively more open to CIA reform.

1974

CHAOS exposed — Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh publishes a story about Operation CHAOS, the domestic surveillance and infiltration of anti-war and civil rights groups in the U.S. The story sparks national outrage.

Angleton fired — Congress holds hearings on the illegal domestic spying efforts of James Jesus Angleton, the CIA’s chief of counterintelligence. His efforts included mail-opening campaigns and secret surveillance of war protesters. The hearings result in his dismissal from the CIA.

House clears CIA in Watergate — The House of Representatives clears the CIA of any complicity in Nixon’s Watergate break-in.

The Hughes Ryan Act — Congress passes an amendment requiring the president to report nonintelligence CIA operations to the relevant congressional committees in a timely fashion.

1975

Australia — The CIA helps topple the democratically elected, left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.

Angola — Eager to demonstrate American military resolve after its defeat in Vietnam, Henry Kissinger launches a CIA-backed war in Angola. Contrary to Kissinger’s assertions, Angola is a country of little strategic importance and not seriously threatened by communism. The CIA backs the brutal leader of UNITAS, Jonas Savimbi. This polarizes Angolan politics and drives his opponents into the arms of Cuba and the Soviet Union for survival. Congress will cut off funds in 1976, but the CIA is able to run the war off the books until 1984, when funding is legalized again. This entirely pointless war kills over 300,000 Angolans.

"The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence" — Victor Marchetti and John Marks publish this whistle-blowing history of CIA crimes and abuses. Marchetti has spent 14 years in the CIA, eventually becoming an executive assistant to the Deputy Director of Intelligence. Marks has spent five years as an intelligence official in the State Department.

"Inside the Company" — Philip Agee publishes a diary of his life inside the CIA. Agee has worked in covert operations in Latin America during the 60s, and details the crimes in which he took part.

Congress investigates CIA wrong-doing — Public outrage compels Congress to hold hearings on CIA crimes. Senator Frank Church heads the Senate investigation ("The Church Committee"), and Representative Otis Pike heads the House investigation. (Despite a 98 percent incumbency reelection rate, both Church and Pike are defeated in the next elections.) The investigations lead to a number of reforms intended to increase the CIA’s accountability to Congress, including the creation of a standing Senate committee on intelligence. However, the reforms prove ineffective, as the Iran/Contra scandal will show. It turns out the CIA can control, deal with or sidestep Congress with ease.

The Rockefeller Commission — In an attempt to reduce the damage done by the Church Committee, President Ford creates the "Rockefeller Commission" to whitewash CIA history and propose toothless reforms. The commission’s namesake, Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, is himself a major CIA figure. Five of the commission’s eight members are also members of the Council on Foreign Relations, a CIA-dominated organization.

1979

Iran — The CIA fails to predict the fall of the Shah of Iran, a longtime CIA puppet, and the rise of Muslim fundamentalists who are furious at the CIA’s backing of SAVAK, the Shah’s bloodthirsty secret police. In revenge, the Muslims take 52 Americans hostage in the U.S. embassy in Tehran.

Afghanistan — The Soviets invade Afghanistan. The CIA immediately begins supplying arms to any faction willing to fight the occupying Soviets. Such indiscriminate arming means that when the Soviets leave Afghanistan, civil war will erupt. Also, fanatical Muslim extremists now possess state-of-the-art weaponry. One of these is Sheik Abdel Rahman, who will become involved in the World Trade Center bombing in New York.

El Salvador — An idealistic group of young military officers, repulsed by the massacre of the poor, overthrows the right-wing government. However, the U.S. compels the inexperienced officers to include many of the old guard in key positions in their new government. Soon, things are back to "normal" — the military government is repressing and killing poor civilian protesters. Many of the young military and civilian reformers, finding themselves powerless, resign in disgust.

Nicaragua — Anastasios Samoza II, the CIA-backed dictator, falls. The Marxist Sandinistas take over government, and they are initially popular because of their commitment to land and anti-poverty reform. Samoza had a murderous and hated personal army called the National Guard. Remnants of the Guard will become the Contras, who fight a CIA-backed guerilla war against the Sandinista government throughout the 1980s.

1980

El Salvador — The Archbishop of San Salvador, Oscar Romero, pleads with President Carter "Christian to Christian" to stop aiding the military government slaughtering his people. Carter refuses. Shortly afterwards, right-wing leader Roberto D’Aubuisson has Romero shot through the heart while saying Mass. The country soon dissolves into civil war, with the peasants in the hills fighting against the military government. The CIA and U.S. Armed Forces supply the government with overwhelming military and intelligence superiority. CIA-trained death squads roam the countryside, committing atrocities like that of El Mazote in 1982, where they massacre between 700 and 1000 men, women and children. By 1992, some 63,000 Salvadorans will be killed.

1981

Iran/Contra Begins — The CIA begins selling arms to Iran at high prices, using the profits to arm the Contras fighting the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. President Reagan vows that the Sandinistas will be "pressured" until "they say ‘uncle.’" The CIA’s Freedom Fighter’s Manual disbursed to the Contras includes instruction on economic sabotage, propaganda, extortion, bribery, blackmail, interrogation, torture, murder and political assassination.

1983

Honduras — The CIA gives Honduran military officers the Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual – 1983, which teaches how to torture people. Honduras’ notorious "Battalion 316" then uses these techniques, with the CIA’s full knowledge, on thousands of leftist dissidents. At least 184 are murdered.

1984

The Boland Amendment — The last of a series of Boland Amendments is passed. These amendments have reduced CIA aid to the Contras; the last one cuts it off completely. However, CIA Director William Casey is already prepared to "hand off" the operation to Colonel Oliver North, who illegally continues supplying the Contras through the CIA’s informal, secret, and self-financing network. This includes "humanitarian aid" donated by Adolph Coors and William Simon, and military aid funded by Iranian arms sales.

1986

Eugene Hasenfus — Nicaragua shoots down a C-123 transport plane carrying military supplies to the Contras. The lone survivor, Eugene Hasenfus, turns out to be a CIA employee, as are the two dead pilots. The airplane belongs to Southern Air Transport, a CIA front. The incident makes a mockery of President Reagan’s claims that the CIA is not illegally arming the Contras.

Iran/Contra Scandal — Although the details have long been known, the Iran/Contra scandal finally captures the media’s attention in 1986. Congress holds hearings, and several key figures (like Oliver North) lie under oath to protect the intelligence community. CIA Director William Casey dies of brain cancer before Congress can question him. All reforms enacted by Congress after the scandal are purely cosmetic.

Haiti — Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that "Baby Doc" Duvalier will remain "President for Life" only if he has a short one. The U.S., which hates instability in a puppet country, flies the despotic Duvalier to the South of France for a comfortable retirement. The CIA then rigs the upcoming elections in favor of another right-wing military strongman. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination.

1989

Panama — The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA’s payroll since 1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA’s knowledge since 1972. By the late 80s, Noriega’s growing independence and intransigence have angered Washington… so out he goes.

1990

Haiti — Competing against 10 comparatively wealthy candidates, leftist priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide captures 68 percent of the vote. After only eight months in power, however, the CIA-backed military deposes him. More military dictators brutalize the country, as thousands of Haitian refugees escape the turmoil in barely seaworthy boats. As popular opinion calls for Aristide’s return, the CIA begins a disinformation campaign painting the courageous priest as mentally unstable.

1991

The Gulf War — The U.S. liberates Kuwait from Iraq. But Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, is another creature of the CIA. With U.S. encouragement, Hussein invaded Iran in 1980. During this costly eight-year war, the CIA built up Hussein’s forces with sophisticated arms, intelligence, training and financial backing. This cemented Hussein’s power at home, allowing him to crush the many internal rebellions that erupted from time to time, sometimes with poison gas. It also gave him all the military might he needed to conduct further adventurism — in Kuwait, for example.

The Fall of the Soviet Union — The CIA fails to predict this most important event of the Cold War. This suggests that it has been so busy undermining governments that it hasn’t been doing its primary job: gathering and analyzing information. The fall of the Soviet Union also robs the CIA of its reason for existence: fighting communism. This leads some to accuse the CIA of intentionally failing to predict the downfall of the Soviet Union. Curiously, the intelligence community’s budget is not significantly reduced after the demise of communism.

1992

Economic Espionage — In the years following the end of the Cold War, the CIA is increasingly used for economic espionage. This involves stealing the technological secrets of competing foreign companies and giving them to American ones. Given the CIA’s clear preference for dirty tricks over mere information gathering, the possibility of serious criminal behavior is very great indeed.

1993

Haiti — The chaos in Haiti grows so bad that President Clinton has no choice but to remove the Haitian military dictator, Raoul Cedras, on threat of U.S. invasion. The U.S. occupiers do not arrest Haiti’s military leaders for crimes against humanity, but instead ensure their safety and rich retirements. Aristide is returned to power only after being forced to accept an agenda favorable to the country’s ruling class.

EPILOGUE

In a speech before the CIA celebrating its 50th anniversary, President Clinton said: "By necessity, the American people will never know the full story of your courage."

Clinton’s is a common defense of the CIA: namely, the American people should stop criticizing the CIA because they don’t know what it really does. This, of course, is the heart of the problem in the first place. An agency that is above criticism is also above moral behavior and reform. Its secrecy and lack of accountability allows its corruption to grow unchecked.

Furthermore, Clinton’s statement is simply untrue. The history of the agency is growing painfully clear, especially with the declassification of historical CIA documents. We may not know the details of specific operations, but we do know, quite well, the general behavior of the CIA. These facts began emerging nearly two decades ago at an ever-quickening pace. Today we have a remarkably accurate and consistent picture, repeated in country after country, and verified from countless different directions.

The CIA’s response to this growing knowledge and criticism follows a typical historical pattern. (Indeed, there are remarkable parallels to the Medieval Church’s fight against the Scientific Revolution.) The first journalists and writers to reveal the CIA’s criminal behavior were harassed and censored if they were American writers, and tortured and murdered if they were foreigners. (See Philip Agee’s On the Run for an example of early harassment.) However, over the last two decades the tide of evidence has become overwhelming, and the CIA has found that it does not have enough fingers to plug every hole in the dike. This is especially true in the age of the Internet, where information flows freely among millions of people. Since censorship is impossible, the Agency must now defend itself with apologetics. Clinton’s "Americans will never know" defense is a prime example.

Another common apologetic is that "the world is filled with unsavory characters, and we must deal with them if we are to protect American interests at all." There are two things wrong with this. First, it ignores the fact that the CIA has regularly spurned alliances with defenders of democracy, free speech and human rights, preferring the company of military dictators and tyrants. The CIA had moral options available to them, but did not take them.

Second, this argument begs several questions. The first is: "Which American interests?" The CIA has courted right-wing dictators because they allow wealthy Americans to exploit the country’s cheap labor and resources. But poor and middle-class Americans pay the price whenever they fight the wars that stem from CIA actions, from Vietnam to the Gulf War to Panama. The second begged question is: "Why should American interests come at the expense of other peoples’ human rights?"

The CIA should be abolished, its leadership dismissed and its relevant members tried for crimes against humanity. Our intelligence community should be rebuilt from the ground up, with the goal of collecting and analyzing information. As for covert action, there are two moral options. The first one is to eliminate covert action completely. But this gives jitters to people worried about the Adolf Hitlers of the world. So a second option is that we can place covert action under extensive and true democratic oversight. For example, a bipartisan Congressional Committee of 40 members could review and veto all aspects of CIA operations upon a majority or super-majority vote. Which of these two options is best may be the subject of debate, but one thing is clear: like dictatorship, like monarchy, unaccountable covert operations should die like the dinosaurs they are.

Endnotes:

1. All history concerning CIA intervention in foreign countries is summarized from William Blum’s encyclopedic work, Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1995). Sources for domestic CIA operations come from Jonathan Vankin and John Whalen’s The 60 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time (Secaucus, N.J.: Citadel Press, 1997).

2. Coleman McCarthy, "The Consequences of Covert Tactics" Washington Post, December 13, 1987.

Copyright 1996 by Steve Kangas. Text can be quoted freely for non-commercial purposes only, with proper attribution.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:39 PM
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23. JFK stopped this Northwoods Plan by the Joint Chiefs to murder US citizens
JFK stopped the plan by the Joint Chiefs in the 60's to
attack the American people in order to get us to go along with
declaring war on Cuba.

"NORTHWOODS was a strategy proposed by the United States Joint Chiefs of Staff to stage terrorist incidents involving American citizens, including hijacking airliners, to build public support for an invasion of Cuba. The plan was rejected by President John F. Kennedy who then fired the Chairman of the JCS. Here’s a very good overview:

OPERATION NORTHWOODS:
US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR

From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following. Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.

...In Lemnitzer's view, the country would be far better off if the generals could take over.

For those military officers who were sitting on the fence, the Kennedy administration's botched Bay of Pigs invasion was the last straw. "The Bay of Pigs fiasco broke the dike," said one report at the time. "President Kennedy was pilloried by the super patriots as a 'no-win' chief . . . The Far Right became a fount of proposals born of frustration and put forward in the name of anti-Communism. . . Active-duty commanders played host to anti-Communist seminars on their bases and attended or addressed Right-wing meetings elsewhere."

Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge.

According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.

(uhmmmm - is this sounding familiar? - )

CONTINUED…

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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:24 PM
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2. My office copier is overheating!!

Phoenix will be well informed.

Keep up the excellent work.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:00 PM
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11. ROFL = DEM PATRIOT -we appreciate yr good work - you are
a grassroot Patriot!!
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
29. Thanks. Although it is I who
should be thanking you!

Keep up the excellent informative posts! I'm off to 'deliver' some info on my lunch hour.

I work downtown, so there's plenty of spots.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:32 PM
Response to Original message
4. Check your pm Pallas
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 12:34 PM by seemslikeadream
:hi:

and I gave your other letter to Obama and Durbin on Sunday. Huge turnout for a little town!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. Sometimes DREAMS are blessings : ((seemslikeadream)))
you're fantastic.

And thank you so much.

Didja tell Durbin I watch him on C Span and cheer him?

Crazy bout that man!!!!!

One of the few with guts in Congress!
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
6. Plame Threads in PDF
Last month I began posting pdf versions of the Plame threads.
Due to a lack of feedback/interest, I took them down.
I'm trying it a second time. If any of you find these files useful, please
say so. Due to time constraints, these files are really the only way I
can participate, but only if people actually use them.

I also offered to host any other material related to the threads.
This offer still holds. I'm interested in organizing the information in
a format that is more accessible (e.g. linked flowchart
as someone mentioned).

http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments.html
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. KLEVER KITTIE - YESSS!! Thank You. It's so important and
the links I put up to previous threads don;t work past a couple
or three/four of the previous.

Thank you so much.
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #7
67. Good to know. You're welcome.
:)
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Thank you----I'm reading it now
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #8
64. You're welcome.
Read on ! :thumbsup:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. Everytime we start a new thread we lose so much good info from
the previous thread.

Yes Klever Kittie, we have some others who also want to work
on a flowchart - geneology fashion perhaps.

PM me Please.

Great!
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #13
68. Great ! Will do.
:thumbsup:
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #6
16. I thank you
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 01:16 PM by burrowowl
very very much, I was away for 10 days and this is an easier way to catch up!

:yourock:
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:33 AM
Response to Reply #16
65. Cool. DUers can say a lot in 10 days.
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #6
37. YES,YES,YES the pdf's are the best!
Thank you. Much more accessible than the Word docs.
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:36 AM
Response to Reply #37
66. Glad to hear it.
Smaller files too ! :)
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #6
44. What About Some Type of Archive or Library?
I had been thinking it's rather a shame that with so much first rate & extensive research that once we go to the next thread it becomes something of a memory because it's hard to remember where exactly a certain bit of info was and to search all the threads would take too long. An archive could have all the sample letters, the Waterman Paper, all media info and links to each thread. Also all the research could be collated into different subjects. For example: Plame, Armaments, NWO, Finance etc. It would be a given that in one way or another (like six degrees of separation) it all connects and goes to the hub of the wheel, Plame. I am no techie so I don't know how exactly this would be done, but I would be willing to at least take on several threads and cut and paste into a master. Then with each new thread a link to the archive could be placed at the beginning. I feel the work & research that everyone has done is too valuable not to save. Any thoughts?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #44
59. I agree. We're still thinking about doing it with a geneology template
Anyone experience with that?

Like a family tree that leads to the next branch and branches out
from that branch...cause that's what we have here.
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #59
69. Bet there is a tool somewhere that
could help with constructing such a structure. I'll look around and
see what I can find.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #69
130. Great Kittie, some of them have cirles to circles that you can click
om and get info on the indiviudal named in that circle or line.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:06 PM
Response to Original message
14. Your flier in PDF
I reduced the font size so it will fit on two pages. Now it can be a front/back flier.
With a PDF you can click the pages tab, select the page you want to print, make sure all the text is inside the selection area, then print the selected page. You can then turn over the paper and print the other side with the second page.

http://home.infionline.net/~arm3/Plame.pdf
This link will download the PDF
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. Thanks for the pdf
handout/flier!

:yourock:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Thanks Alfredo -
another computer whiz - and we sure can use all the help
we can get.

Thanks again.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. <blush> Here's some more stuff you
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 03:13 PM by alfredo
can adapt for your region. Use them, change them, improve them.

http://homepage.mac.com/alfredo_tomato/FilesNsuch/FileSharing15.html

Edited to let you know that not all of these are mine, many were made by other volunteers, some have multiple authors.

The Volunteer forms are good to take to venues for signing up workers for Kerry. Show them to the local Dem organization before even thinking about using them. They may have their own.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:10 PM
Response to Original message
17. Yes. If the media will not report the truth, we must do it personally.
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 01:17 PM by Zorra
This is a very good idea, and it works.

I have been printing articles and distribute them to people I know. This has led to discussions of these subjects among people of different political persuasions.

Right now I am handing out copies of Sibel Edmonds letter and documents pertaining to her case as credible background.

It is blowing people's minds. I always mention that I am doing this because the media will not report on it, and put the url of the site where I found the info so that people with computers can verify the information if they wish.

Here is a link to "Common Sense", which operates on a similar principle.

http://www.opednews.com/commonsense111.htm

The newsletter that we at Opednews.com are initiating and inviting you to take part in borrows both its name and purpose from Paine’s seminal work, “Common Sense”. It is conceived of as the next step in alternative media, the step that will take us across the ideological chasm which this administration has deliberately gutted in our nation’s media landscape, where all the major news organizations have been beaten down, intimidated by fear of loss of access.

Like the Phoenix that rises from the ashes, our new COMMON SENSE will rise to educate the 70 percent of the population who still believe that there’s some proof that Saddam or Iraq were connected to 9-11.

The ideals of this newsletter are the same as those espoused in Paine’s work, namely that “The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion”. But no less important here is his technique of pamphleteering, in order to put hard, accessible knowledge in the hands of the citizenry, who alone have the power to seize back the government for themselves.

In this vein, Common Sense is offered on the web, via website and email, in a printable, columned newsletter format, meant to be freely photocopied and distributed widely, sowing the seeds of dissent where the Republican elite have attempted to salt the land.

http://www.opednews.com/commonsense111.htm#Tom%20Paine's%20COMMON%20SENSE;%20Copy%20This%20Pamphlet%20to%20Wake%20Up%20America
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. Wow. Zorra. This is wonderful. The Grass Roots is on the
move!

Please feel free to take our posts, and place yours here.

H20's entire thought was to accomplish just what you speak of --
the awakening of the American people through the ordinary citizen -
networks of grassroots activists....meaning every American passing
the word.

This is really overwhelming in a good good sense.

Thank you.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #21
176. De nada. A good friend of mine said to me one time when I was in a
state of personal crisis and was whining about it:

"Ya gotta do what you gotta do. So if you know what ya gotta do, then do it".

Here are some articles that I am now printing and using to try to change the minds of republican and independent voters. Since these voters are generally misinformed by Pox News, etc., the information that I choose to use is directed at a certain target group in order to make them begin to question the information that they are getting from RW corporate media. IMO, it is important to begin with basic information that targets issues important to this particular type of voter, while at the same time debunking the misinformation distributed by corporate media. I provide internet links to my favorite alternative internet websites where these folks can find credible information that they will not usually hear or see from our corporate media system. I find it more effective to present info in packets in which the info is related (ie Bu$h AWOL, Kerry service record, McCain blasts swiftboat vets) so that the info is connected and supportive of a central idea.

Bush AWOL

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5761856

John Kerry Service Record

http://www.vietnamwar.net/Kerry-2.htm

Link to John Kerry/Bu$h service records

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp

McCain Condemns Anti-Kerry Ad

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=3&u=/ap/20040805/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_mccain

9/11 Commission Dismisses Saddam Al Qaeda Link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

Despite the Whitewash, We Now Know that the Bush Administration was Warned Before the War That Its Iraq Claims were Weak

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0804-11.htm

White House to Project Record Deficit

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4359940,00.html

Sibel Edmonds' letter

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0802-06.htm

Read letter retroactively CLASSIFIED by Ashcroft (re Sibel Edmonds now classified 9/11 testimony)

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=55826






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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:48 PM
Response to Original message
25. H20 Team Think Tank - any
good posts that I haven't transferred from the previous
thread #15, please attach under here with header all in caps.

Thanks guys.

Please also read Seemslikeadream's post....she gave our letter
"WHY aren't you doing your job and WHEN are you going to start"

to Obama and to Durbin of Illinois!

Good guys and I hope they pass it around the Senate.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:55 PM
Response to Original message
27. Come ooooon indictments!
Couldn't be too soon.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. I kinda suspect the terra warning was to push "something" off
the front page....wonder what it was?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:03 PM
Response to Original message
28. MEDIA LIST ready to go
MEDIA LIST all set up for e mailing


list of other media contacts, here's some for you.

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[email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected],
[email protected]



other individual reporters or news outlets can be found at
Drudgereport.com

(sorry, it's the pits but the news contacts are nicely listed for
us. :) )


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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. kick,kick,kick it up above Plame #15 (which is now closed)
Hi guys

:hi:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #28
200. Thanks Pallas180 for these great media links
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 04:01 PM
Response to Original message
33. Kick
:kick:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Sign on California Freeway









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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Complete sign












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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. Creative Californians
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Roy Robertson Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 04:35 PM
Response to Original message
36. The Sting?
Joe Klein's Time article mentioned rather casually that Valerie Plame was "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of Weapons of Mass Destruction components". Is that our only source for this information? A lot of our discussion here depends on it, and it would be nice to have some kind of independent confirmation.

If this has already been asked/answered, could someone kindly give me a link to the discussion? I've been following these threads from the start, but sometimes "thread fatigue" sets in, and I might have missed it.

PS If thread 15 has been closed, could someone please provide a link to it? I've been saving them on my computer, but that one escaped.

Thanks to all...
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Roy, here's the LINK TO THREAD #15 and
on a previous thread we linked to the places that had this
quote from Kissinger...

but if you google "Kissinger quotations" I would bet you'll
find it and a lot more

Same goes for "ValeriePlame WMD Sting"

We'd love to have another contributor to the threads

and are durn glad to hear you're reading them all.

And Welcome to DU.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. And another fun Kissinger quote:


"The illegal we do immediately.
The unconstitutional takes a little longer."

Henry Kissinger, New York Times, Oct. 28, 1973
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. ROY, here's the URL to the Kissinger quote & circumstances of how it was
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Quotations on Globalism:

Noah Webster

" Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that exists among the people, or which they can command; for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive. "








Charley Reese


"If Americans wish to preserve a country they will recognize, then the first step is to recognize the enemy. Public education is the enemy. The entertainment industry is the enemy. The corporate culture is the enemy. The advertising industry is the enemy. And most of the politicians in both parties are the enemy. An enemy is defined as anybody, or any organization, which is attacking the traditional beliefs of Americans."


Franklin Delano Roosevelt

" The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson "


U. S. Privacy Study Commission

" The real danger is the gradual erosion of individual liberties through automation, integration, and interconnection of many small, separate record-keeping systems, each of which alone may seem innocuous, even benevolent, and wholly justifiable. "
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Roy Robertson Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Thanks for the DU welcome, Pallas (Athena?)
I've been visiting here (and recommending the site to friends) for about 3 months now, but I don't post much. There's a lot to read and think about, and I rarely have anything to say that hasn't already been said, better, by others.

If you meant to include a link to Thread #15 in your first reply, I think you might have accidently used the HTML tag that means "toss the URL into the bit-bucket", because there is no link there.

As for the Kissinger quotes, I'm always amazed by the cynicism of the man. It's no wonder that Nixon thought highly of him. Someone here on DU has a sig line with a similar quote from Hermann Goering (though it sounds more like Joseph Goebels to me):

"<...> it is always a simple matter to drag the people along <...> All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Yes Roy. Goddess of Justice right? The sad thing
is that this administration seems to have followed the
playbook of the nazis rise and methods...exactly.

And that is what is finally being recognized in this country,
while Europe has been seeing this govt. turn fascist since
dimson came in.

We'd be glad to hve your comments, agree or disagree, and if
you see something we haven't mentioned over here...please do
bring it over and let us know.
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Roy Robertson Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. and Wisdom too, I think...
The morning of 9/11 my first thoughts were "Oh oh, Reichstag fire..." and there hasn't been a lot since then to change my mind.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. ROY, interesting. What gave you that immediate idea?
It has taken me until recently to realize the truth of
your statement.
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Roy Robertson Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #55
73. When the white-shirted Brown Shirt mob
disrupted the Dade County recount, my morning paper had a photo of them in action, and it chilled me to the bone. That mob didn't just happen, they Made It Happen On Purpose. The more I pondered that, the more I realized that these people were willing to do anything.

On the morning of 9/11, while one part of my mind was in shock, another part was wondering "why?" and "who?" I didn't know about the PNAC "Pearl Harbor" paper yet, but when I thought about who would benefit from the attack, I didn't have to think very far.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #73
122. ROY-we found out later that they were aides to DeLay who he
sent down to Florida to start that riot.

You're right. Brownshirts. They would do anything.

And I think they have.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #36
43. this is the exact quote from Joe Klein's article:
" Furthermore, there is intense anger over the White House's revealing the identity of Plame, who may have been active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components. Plame was outed in a White House attempt to discredit the finding of her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, that there was no evidence that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger. "Only a very high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the payroll" of the CIA, an intelligence source told me. "

As you know , reporters often hint at what they know without explicitly spelling it out...and in this case had Klein spelled it
out, he also would have been subject to charges of treason, I think.

His information obviously comes from a source inside the agency,
else how would he know "there is intense anger"...

The originator of the coment of V. Plame's job is definitely
Klein. You will notice no denial of her assignment has ever
appeared anywhere. Not even from Novak.
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Roy Robertson Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #43
54. As you said:
>His information obviously comes from a source inside the agency,
>else how would he know "there is intense anger"...

That was my take on it too, for the reasons you mention. And it makes sense that the independent confirmation that I'd like to see would be pretty hard to come by, given how secret it all was.

But still, Plame's cover has been blown now, and the operation has presumably been wrecked, whatever it was, so maybe some of the secrecy could be lifted?

Blowing her cover to "get" Joe Wilson never made much sense to me, just as their ongoing campaign to "discredit" him by claiming that she recommended him for the trip to Niger (what a strangely trivial point to insist on!) has never made sense to me. The suggestion that their main goal was to derail her project makes more sense.

So understanding the nature of that project seems to be the key to understanding the whole mess. But all we have to go on is one leak to one journalist from one intensely angry source in the CIA. I wish we had more.

I did Google on Valerie Plame WMD sting, per your suggestion, and got 196 hits (including a couple of references to these threads on DU). So far I've just skimmed through a few of them, but most of them seem to be based on the Klein article, so they don't really add anything. But I'll look more closely tomorrow.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #54
71. The sting Klein was referring to..
was a covert setup done by Plame's team on the "yellowcake" in Niger..Cheney had purportedly sought to purchase the yellowcake and transport it to Iraq, where it would be found and designated proof of Hussein having WMD capability. Cheney got wind of the plan and aborted the Niger mission.

Then the forged documents (from Italy) surfaced to further cover Cheney's tracks.

This scenario was posted way back...and seemed to be articulated by someone in the know. The recollection was summarily dismissed in favor of a much wider covert operation supposedly covered by Plame.

Unfortunately, proof has never been offered here tyeing Plame and any other covert ops to Cheney. The only viable proof we know of has been dismissed out of hand.
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Roy Robertson Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. I like that scenario.
It's simple, and it feels right. If true, it would be consistant with Joe Wilson's statement that at the time of these supposed purchases, Iraq already had already plenty of yellowcake from earlier purchases and wouldn't have needed any more.

That the Iraqis apparently got rid of this earlier supply (for whatever reason: virtue, inspections, sanctions, avoid getting invaded) must have complicated life somewhat for the Bush league, who clearly intended to invade Iraq no matter what, and were just trying to find an excuse to do it. They didn't really give a fig about WMDs and yellowcake.

Much to ponder here, timelines and soforth. I'll try to find that original post. Thanks for the info.


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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #72
74. Yes, it would be good to maintain focus..
on this particular time line and further investigate, if we can, into what the players were doing at this time.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:24 PM
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100. Alert. Diversion. Watch the gridliness. Diversion
bwaaaah.
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141. dupe.
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 08:01 PM by Pallas180

dupe.
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Roy Robertson Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 10:05 PM
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156. Peace, brothers and sisters...
It looks like I've stumbled into an old disagreement. Sorry about that. I would not have knowingly caused it to break out again. But since I've put my foot in it, please allow me a few comments.

The puzzle we are working on is very complex, and a lot of the pieces are blurry or missing. Which makes it a kind of Rohrschach test: different people will interpret the picture in different ways, and will get invested emotionally in their interpretation. This is human nature. Some people will see a bat, while others will see a butterfly. Each side will build its case the best it can, from the incomplete evidence, and will tend to "lock in" to that particular interpretation, and defend it passionately. The bat people will attack the butterfly theory, and the butterfly people will attack the bat theory.

So far, so good. That's how we make progress. But I hate to see the bat people and the butterly people attack each other personally. For one thing, they're both wrong. It's really a chimp, as any fool can plainly see.

Our adversary is the Father of Lies, and he is very subtle, a serpent of diverse malignity. In tracking him down, reasonable people may reasonably differ, on the details. It's good to stay humble in the face of these unknowns, and forgive as best we can the weak understanding of those whose interpretations fall short of our own. I hope we can be cheerful in our disagreements.

And I hope I haven't been too pompous. G'night, all.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 07:30 PM
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45. Kick
:kick:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. John Lehman of the 911 Commission
on C Span just revealed, glowingly, that he worked under Henry
Kissinger at state - and those were wonderful days.

oh yeah. Kissinger had Bremmer and Lehman on there...I wonder who
else.

Now I understand why Sibel Edmonds is yelling whitewash.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 09:05 PM
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48. OK GUYS, what senators and reps have you faxed today?
.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 09:11 PM
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50. FREE FAX TO CONGRESS
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 09:30 PM by Pallas180
Find the senators and reps you want to fax here:


http://congress.org/congressorg/bio/?id=227&submit.x=15&submit.y=10

or to find a zip code (usually required)

http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/citytown_zip.htm


another listing for congress
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

@@@@@@

send them a fax for free here

http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=11323&c=130

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. hee hee hee - If You Use This URL for Congress they print yr letter
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 09:36 PM by Pallas180
for everyone to see.....

http://congress.org/congressorg/mail/gateway/s1091586818/



hee hee hee

Just sent the TREASON LETTER to Hastert.

BWAAAA... they should enjoy that.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Here is the url for Plame #15
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. Hi SCHRABY - joke of the day - ya ready?
y'all know I live in Florida.

Here I am busily "fomenting" over the internet, when the phone
rings.

A male voice introduces himself as Jeb Bush (no I'm not kidding)

I was just about to tell him ....mmm...unkind things, when the
voice continued - a recording telling me he was going to send
me voter registration cards and to be sure and send them back.

Odd. I'm already registered.

Now that's the second time I've gotten calls from republicans.
They must think I'm a registered republican.

Last time they were taking a poll, who would I rather see running
against Jeb.

Should have told them the devil... but I'm too polite....although
I might boo him in person.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #57
63. I haven't been bothered here yet,
only by a recording for the Kerry campaign. By the way, my kids used to say when one of the recorded messages came like that, Hey, Cordy is on the phone.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #48
60. Ready for this one. I sent the Treason letter to Ashcroft.
ahem....

wonder if he'll turn red and start to choke on it...

I hope it makes him very nervous.

https://ssl.capwiz.com/congressorg/mail/confirm/
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #47
182. Slade Gorton is a corporate whore. He was also on the 9/11 Commission
Why was Slade Gorton chosen to be a member of the 9/11 Commission?:

Senator Slade Gorton's political maneuvering to attach a mining rider on the Emergency Funding bill for hurricane victims and to fund the war in Kosovo, has inspired a national uproar. The rider exempts the controversial gold mine that Battle Mountain Gold Co.(BMG) of Houston, Texas, wants to develop on Buckhorn Mountain in the Okanogan Highlands of North Central Washington from the current Federal Mining Law.

Senator Gorton, who is reported to have received over $144 thousand in campaign contributions from mining and oil interests, enters the picture, with the intent to subvert implementation of the millsite limitation of the 1872 Mining Law for BMG through a special dispensation from Congress. With the mining industry, he crafted a political solution, behind closed doors so as not to raise a lot of attention.

http://www.televar.com/~kliegoha/action.htm

Washington Senator Slade Gorton and his mining industry allies in Congress have attached a rider to the Emergency Supplemental appropriations bill for the Kosovo funding bill in conference committee. It eliminated the recent decision that stopped Battle Mountain Gold Co's large open-pit, cyanide-leach gold mine.

There has been a groundswell of outrage at Gorton's back room deal to exempt Battle Mountain Gold from one of the few limitations in the 1872 mining law. Many Representatives in Congress have spoken out about this pollution of the emergency funding bill. Even Washington Governor Gary Locke has made a statement against the rider.

http://www.televar.com/~kliegoha/action.html

Today Gorton and some conservative Republican lawmakers in Olympia are backing Battle Mountain Gold's quest to get Gov. Gary Locke and the Department of Ecology to join it in appealing the pollution board's decision. These elected officials are working to subvert our state's process set up to ensure that such proposals receive adequate review and don't jeopardize public safety. They hope to circumvent, rather than comply with, the board's decision to put Washington's environmental health ahead of corporate profits.

Gorton has chosen to line up on the side of his political contributors to the detriment of our state's environment, public health and long-term economic vitality.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/022600-104.htm
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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 10:11 PM
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56. Printing now
Copying tonight, Speading like wildfire til November\\ I'm in sales and I cover a HUGE territory in WY and CO - People will FIND this information.

Thinking of ways to get them distributed enough in a condensed area - maybe secretly distrubuted in the seats of every minor league baseball game in my terrirty - maybe cause some media attention with an anonomous news tip.

Lots of work to do!!!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. (((((BigSkyDem))))) we love salesmen...specially travelin with flyers :)
:)

:hi:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 11:10 PM
Response to Original message
61. This guy Darth Vader has such a big ___ it's incredible
Cheney blames high gas prices on democrats blocking his "energy " policy - cough cough cough argh

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040803/ap_on_el_pr/cheney_4&printer=1
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. A kick for the night crew - read the header and PLS send the letter
:hi:

Pallas
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #62
70. Good Morning Du-ers - let's talk about Treason.
U. S. Constitution

Section 3, Article 3.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #70
76. Treason - how about telling Saudis top secret plans before telling Powell?
Good morning. I just finished reading House of Bush House of Saud, so I'm ready to talk about anything related to the Saudis.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #76
84. This should've gone in F9/11: * sat for 7 minutes on ARI FLEISCHER'S order
I just finished reading House of Bush House of Saud. Here's something I didn't know about Bush's seven minutes of mental desertion in a Florida classroom after being told by Andrew Card about the terror attacks on September 11:

"Then the classroom was silent for about thirty seconds. In the back of the room, press secretary Ari Fleischer held up a pad of paper for Bush to see. "Don't Say Anything Yet" was written on it in big block letters. Bush nodded his assent. Finally, he picked up the book to read a story called "The Pet Goat" with the children."

I wish Michael Moore had included this embarrassing detail in Fahrenheit 9/11. The President had to be TOLD by the PRESS SECRETARY how to react to a TERROR ATTACK?!

WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE? WHERE DOES THE BUCK REALLY STOP?!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 12:12 PM
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75. Remember Bush/Cheney ties to Rev. MOON??? Well, guess what....
http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog/2004/08/rev-moons-submarines-sold-to-kim-jong.html

The same guy that broke the Iran-Contra story is now showing proof through FOIA papers that Rev. Moon purchased Russian warships that could launch nukes to hit California....and he kindly sold them to Kim Jong Il....North Korea's lunatic president!!!

This tells me that poppy's Carlyle has been involved in trafficking WMD's to countries that are CURRENTLY aiming nukes our way.

Those bushes are determined to get rid of California!!! And they're determined to start WWIII. PNAC anyone??

:kick::kick:
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. Yikes. All the more reason to spend on Star Wars
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 01:00 PM by Snazzy
That the plan? Or just wipe out the blue coasts like you say....

Edit: Second thought, Star Wars/MD wouldn't do anything about subs. But the idea to arm NK is really the same thing no matter the specifics. The cold warriors want another cold war--at the least they were really pushing for it before the new catch all terror deal. A military spending black hole and fear to maintain the sheep--same works for both, terror or the old day nuke threat.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #78
88. Or sell em, then say "we know they have WMD and must pre-emptively
attack them.

You're right...endless war, endless money for mil/industrial,
and lack of funds for social programs, education, healthcare for
America...dumbig down and weakening America...

easier to lead citizens around by the nose, and lower their wages...
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #75
79. Wow! Great post, loudsue!
Wonder what was blacked out for security reasons? Perhaps the name of the international arms dealer who helped deliver the goods?

And what's up with Moon wanting to create his own Vatican City? Is this megalomaniac the Anti-Christ?

Oh wait, that's Cheney.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #75
82. Rumsfeld/ABB
http://www.abb.com/global/abbzh/abbzh251.nsf?OpenDatabase&db=/global/abbzh/abbzh250.nsf&v=553E&e=us&c=D0E90B053BD5AA65C12569F8002A7CB5

Above link says Rumsfeld resigned as the director of ABB when he became Sec'y of Def. ABB is in the oil and utilities biz

Link below shows ABB selling nuke reactors to N. Korea

http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html

So...in 2000, Rumsfeld is the director of a company selling nuke reactors to N. Korea....in 2002, declares North Korea a terrorist state, part of the axis of evil and a target for regime change

Here's the link where ABB announces sending the equipment and systems to N. Korea

http://www.abb.com/global/abbzh/abbzh251.nsf!OpenDatabase&db=/global/ABBZH/abbzh250.nsf&v=c&e=us&c=316DCEEDCA12D32E4125686C00433604

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. BINGO!! Nice find, RebelYell! Sell 'em arms, then prepare to go to war.
Didn't Plame's WMD sting operation involve selling components to N. Korea? Didn't Sibel Edmonds say that people high up in government were guilty of business deals that were selling WMD material to "axis of evil"/"terrorist" states?

It shows BLATANTLY, and publicly that Cheney and Rumsfeld were in the leadership positions in their companies, selling weapons to the bad guys. Even though ABB sold them "legally" under Clinton's decision to help NK develop nuclear power plants, Rumsfeld then turns around, within months of the sale, and starts slamming NK for using the material for nuclear weapons. Well, Duh?

And their buddy Rev. Moon is selling the warships to DELIVER nuclear weapons!! Nice little criminal ring they have going on in D.C., no?

:kick::kick:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. Here's another source on Rumsfeld pulling a Reagan.
Originally posted in thread 13, it's good to keep fresh in people's minds:

Rumsfeld Filled His Pockets with Pyongyang's Nuclear Loot
By CHRIS FLOYD

It's a well-known fact--oft detailed in this column--that the boys in the Bush Regime swing both ways. We speak, of course, of their proclivity--their apparently uncontrollable craving--for stuffing their trousers with loot from both sides of whatever war or military crisis is going at the moment.

That's why it came as no surprise to read last week that just before he joined the Regime's crusade against evildoers everywhere (especially rogue states that pursue the development of terrorist-ready weapons of mass destruction), Pentagon warlord Donald Rumsfeld was trousering the proceeds from a $200 million deal to send the latest nuclear technology--including plenty of terrorist-ready "dirty bomb" material--to the rogue state of North Korea, Neue Zurcher Zeitung reports.

In 1998, Rumsfeld was citizen chairman of the Congressional Ballistic Missile Threat Commission, charged with reducing nuclear proliferation. Rumsfeld and the Republican-heavy commission came down hard on the deal Bill Clinton had brokered with North Korea to avert a war in 1994: Pyongyang would give up its nuclear weapons program in exchange for normalized relations with the United States, plus the construction of two non-weaponized nuclear plants to generate electricity. The plants were to be built by an international consortium of government-backed business interests called KEDO.

In fact, he's so smart that he's now playing dumb. A Pentagon spokesman says Rumsfeld "can't recall" discussing the Korean deal at ABB board meetings. And his erstwhile ABB corporate colleagues say that it's possible the subject never came up. Of course it didn't; going into the nuclear business with a Communist tyranny that very nearly launched a nuclear war against the West just four years before, in a deal that involved high-level negotiations with the governments of the United States, South Korea, Japan and the European Union--that's certainly the kind of thing that would be handled by a couple of junior executives in a branch office somewhere. Nothing for the bigwigs--especially hard-wired government players like Rumsfeld--to trouble their pretty heads about. A perfectly reasonable explanation.

Whatever happened to Bush's much-trumpeted "era of responsibility?" These guys are not only chiselers, hustlers, hypocrites and war profiteers--they're a bunch of gutless wonders as well. So you'll pardon us if we are just the tiniest bit cynical about the "moral arguments for war" and other such buckets of warm spit this gang is now forcing down the world's throat.

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd03042003.html

I loved how when confronted with this info, Rumsfeld replied he "can't recall" discussing the Korean deal at ABB board meetings.

Reagan couldn't have scripted a better response.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #83
93. Unbelievable
What a perfect racket.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #75
87. SUE That's incredible.- not understandable. WHY - is the
question , why would Moon, good friend of Bush 1 and 2 and Tom Delay
and rethuglicans, act as middle man and why would the whole cabal
want Kim Jong Il to have wardhips that could launch nukes?

motivation. WHY is the question H20 tells us to ask.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. In 2002, I was asking "Why Iraq? Why not North Korea?"
Who's the bigger threat? Who has more WMD? Who has stronger ties to terrorist groups? Who has nukes and is developing more? Who kicked out the UN at the same time another "immediate threat" was letting the UN in?

Doesn't make sense. Unless they're setting up something really BIG for dimson's second term. Perle wants us to set up a "Cuban Missile Crisis-style" blockade of North Korea. Doing that to Castro is one thing, but Kim Jong Il sounds about as stable as Rev. Moon.

What was that Nelson Rockefeller quote? This is the most dangerous time in our nation's history? You better believe it!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. RP - not Nelson, he's dead, Senator Jay Rockefeller on Intel
Committee said " this is the most dangerous time in our nation's
history"

I gather he wasn't speaking of Al Queda but of the attempted coup
and dictatorship of the current cabal.

Jay Rockefeller is the one who has been demanding investigations .

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #90
97. HAHA! What a faux pas! I might as well have said John D.
But it's good to know Jay knows who the real enemy is.

Here's the article on that horrifying Richard Perle book:

Published on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 by the Telegraph/UK
Hawks Tell Bush How to Win War on Terror
by David Rennie in Washington

President George W Bush was sent a public manifesto yesterday by Washington's hawks, demanding regime change in Syria and Iran and a Cuba-style military blockade of North Korea backed by planning for a pre-emptive strike on its nuclear sites.

The manifesto, presented as a "manual for victory" in the war on terror, also calls for Saudi Arabia and France to be treated not as allies but as rivals and possibly enemies.

The manifesto is contained in a new book by Richard Perle, a Pentagon adviser and "intellectual guru" of the hardline neo-conservative movement, and David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter. They give warning of a faltering of the "will to win" in Washington.

In the battle for the president's ear, the manifesto represents an attempt by hawks to break out of the post-Iraq doldrums and strike back at what they see as a campaign of hostile leaking by their foes in such centers of caution as the State Department or in the military top brass.

Their publication, An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror, coincided with the latest broadside from the hawks' enemy number one, Colin Powell, the secretary of state.

Though on leave recovering from a prostate cancer operation, Mr Powell summoned reporters to his bedside to hail "encouraging" signs of a "new attitude" in Iran and call for the United States to keep open the prospect of dialogue with the Teheran authorities.

Such talk is anathema to hawks like Mr Perle and Mr Frum who urge Washington to shun the mullahs and work for their overthrow in concert with Iranian dissidents.

It may be assumed that their instincts at least are shared by hawks inside the government, whose twin power bases are the Pentagon's civilian leadership and the office of the vice-president, Dick Cheney.

Such officials prevailed over invading Afghanistan and Iraq, but have been seen as on the back foot since the autumn as their post-war visions of building a secular, free-market Iraq were scaled back in favor of compromise and a swift handover of power next June.

The book demands that any talks with North Korea require the complete and immediate abandonment of its nuclear program.

As North Korea will probably refuse such terms, the book urges a Cuba-style military blockade and overt preparations for war, including the rapid pullback of US forces from the inter-Korean border so that they move out of range of North Korean artillery.

Such steps, with luck, will prompt China to oust its nominal ally, Kim Jong-il, and install a saner regime in North Korea, the authors write.

The authoritarian rule of Syria's leader, Bashar Assad, should also be ended, encouraged by shutting oil supplies from Iraq, seizing arms he buys from Iran, and raids into Syria to hunt terrorists.

The authors urge Mr Bush to "tell the truth about Saudi Arabia". Wealthy Saudis, some of them royal princes, fund al-Qa'eda, they write.

The Saudi government backs "terror-tainted Islamic organizations" as part of a larger campaign to "spread its extremist version of Islam throughout the Muslim world and into Europe and North America".

The book calls for tough action against France and its dreams of offsetting US power. "We should force European governments to choose between Paris and Washington," it states. Britain's independence from Europe should be preserved, perhaps with open access for British arms to American defense markets.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1231-01.htm

Reminds me of a slogan someone else came up with on DU:

Vote Kerry/Edwards as if your life depends on it. Because it does!

:scared:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #97
107. Robt. Kennedy Jr. on CNN now-" The WH has put the polluters
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 05:38 PM by Pallas180

and lobbyists for polluters in charge of all the agencies charged with looking after the public interest."

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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #107
146. Read his new book "Crimes against Nature"
and we can start another ongoing thread! He names names and spells out the rape dimson is committing on the environment and our health. These people have NO shame. It's not going to be easy to turn back the tide even if Kerry is elected.

Our work will need to focus on some of these issues, but, first things first...we need a regime change and we need it now.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #87
178. bush cabal needs a nuclear-armed boogeyman to justify a new arms race.
North Korea was a lot further along than Saddam (who didn't have anything). Useful idiot Kim Jong Il doesn't realize he's playing the straight man. We'll build this guy up to be the greatest threat to Western civilization that the world has ever seen, jack up our military budget, and eventually destroy him.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
77. This TT Toon should be in one of these threads


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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. Brilliant! I love it!
Plame & Wilson as Batman & Robin!

Uh-oh. Does Tom Tomorrow think Fitzgerald is Mr. Penguin? Say it ain't so!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. That toon is SOOOOO Rich!
I Love it!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:46 PM
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148. Hey, Tell
please be constructive and add to the thread, or just read it if you've a mind to....please.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #148
160. Hey, ya'll behave in the toon subthread, y'hear


This guy (where I got the image) has a nice blog page on Plame.

He even links Thread #12.

http://www.missouri.edu/~quinnl/news/wilson.html

Must be a DU'r.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #80
162. it ain't so
That's 2003, pre-Asscroft recusal.




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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #162
189. Oh, I get it. Asscraft is Penguin. Makes sense!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
86. Halliburton fined $7.5 million by SEC
There's just no end to their mischief, is there?

Halliburton to pay SEC fine
By Greg Farrell, USA TODAY
Halliburton (HAL) filed "materially misleading" financial statements that raised its profits in 1998 and 1999 while Vice President Cheney was its chief executive, but it did not violate accounting rules, the Securities and Exchange Commission said Tuesday.
The SEC did not hold Cheney responsible for the actions. It brought charges against the company's former chief financial officer and former controller. Halliburton agreed to a $7.5 million fine to settle SEC charges that it did not cooperate fully when the SEC's investigation began in mid-2002.

The SEC action ends one controversy for the government's lead contractor in the rebuilding of Iraq. In an unusual disclosure that reflected the investigation's political sensitivity during a tight presidential election campaign, the SEC said Cheney "cooperated willingly and fully" with the investigation.

Joan Claybrook, president of Public Citizen, said the penalty was "too small" compared with the $120 million by which Halliburton's accounting boosted profits in 1998 and 1999.

The SEC investigation focused on a 1998 change in Halliburton's accounting for cost overruns on construction contracts. Before 1998, whenever a project's costs exceeded budget, Halliburton booked an immediate loss. If the company later recouped the cost overrun, it recognized revenue then. In 1998, Halliburton began estimating how much it would recover and booking the revenue before the client approved payment.

Both practices are allowed under generally accepted accounting practices, the SEC said, but the revised method added millions of dollars to Halliburton's quarterly income. The SEC said investors should have been told of the change at the outset, but Halliburton did not do that until March 2000.

Former Halliburton controller Robert Muchmore agreed to a $50,000 fine. Halliburton and Muchmore neither admitted nor denied wrongdoing in their settlements with the SEC. The SEC filed civil charges against former chief financial officer Gary Morris in federal court.

Cheney's lawyer, Terrence O'Donnell, said Cheney's conduct as CEO was proper. "He was not involved in the change in the accounting practice or its disclosure, and there is no allegation whatsoever that he acted in any way other than in the best interests of the company and its shareholders."

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2004-08-03-halliburton-settlement_x.htm

Sure, Cheney had no say over the matter. He was out of the loop.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #86
91. Martha goes to jail for $60,000 profit, but Halliburton nee Cheney gets
a fine....and no publicity, no penalty.

GET THOSE GD LETTERS OUT GUYS
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #86
96. Hi RP, nice to see you back
:hi:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #96
101. Hi Pallas. This is from last year, but did you read it?
In relation to the latest scandal, which could in time be one of the main reasons for impeachment among many, the following news item:
MSNBC'S Buchanan & Press scored a major scoop on Wednesday, all but unmasking the high government official who "outed" a CIA operative via a July 14 column by Robert Novak. Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst who worked with Valerie Plame, the reported agent, all but identified "Scooter" Libby as the government official who outed her – and at least one other in the Vice President's office.

Who is "Scooter" Libby?

He's the nexus of the neocon network in Washington, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, and assistant to the President, whose office is the operational nerve center of the War Party. It is Libby and Cheney who made repeated trips to the CIA, pressuring them to accept tall tales of Al Qaeda connections and assorted "weapons of mass destruction" supposedly lurking in Baghdad – including the Niger-uranium yellowcake "evidence" that Iraq had acquired fissionable material for a nuclear weapon.

The documents purportly proving the Niger-Iraq uranium connection turned out to be a crude forgery.

Pressed by Pat Buchanan to name the leaker, Johnson refused to deny it was Libby; he furthermore stated that the perpetrator was no stranger to "scandal."

As Marc Rich's longtime lawyer, and a key figure in procuring the fugitive billionaire a presidential pardon, Lewis ""Scooter" Libby surely fits the bill.

Johnson also rebutted widespread stories that Plame wasn't an undercover intelligence officer. Clifford May, of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, has said her status was an open secret, and that she was an analyst whose life would not be placed in danger if her CIA connection was revealed. Asked by Buchanan if Plame's work would have taken her overseas, where compromising her CIA affiliation would put her in physical danger, Johnson's answer was an emphatic yes. Furthermore, he emphasized, her outing would put all her various overseas contacts in jeopardy.

Developing ...

Justin Raimondo is Editorial Director of Antiwar.com

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000951-5.html

Does Libby do anything without Cheney's OK? Surely the buck won't stop with him when the indictments are issued.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #101
104. Thanks RP - I'm surprised at Clifford May but that tells us where he's at
so let's look up "Fondation for the Defense of Democracies" and see
who else is in that group.

Another mom and applie pie name for exactly what it isn't maybe?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. & Thanks again,RP - I didnt know Libby rep'd Rich - cool - was
that on purpose knowing they would get Big Dawg into lots and lots
of trouble?

gawd...they are devious.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. Devious to a Satanic degree.
Funny how the last thing Libby did before joining dimson's misadministration was help put egg on Clinton's face.

I'm looking up stuff on Clifford May and I'll get back to you.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. Yech! Foundation for Defense of Democracy is reactionary trash!
Here's some sample stories on the home page:

YOU CAN IRAN BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE: A rogue regime is in power in Iran. It supports terrorists - it has supported Hezbollah for a generation, and the 9/11 Commission has provided alarming detail on the extent to which Iran's mullahs are conspiring with al Qaeda. Last week we learned that Iran has broken the seals that had been placed on its nuclear equipment by the International Atomic Energy Agency. It also has resumed production of enriched uranium. In other words, soon this rogue regime that conspires with terrorists will have nuclear weapons.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

THE CONNECTION: It is remarkable how many people - informed people such as radio interviewers - will say to me with great confidence that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden had no relationship. Former CIA director George Tenet would not agree. Here's what he told the Senate Intelligence Committee in a closed session on Sept. 17, 2002:

"There is evidence that Iraq provided al Qaeda with various kinds of training - combat, bomb-making and CNRN . Although Saddam did not endorse al Qaeda's overall agenda and was suspicious of Islamist movements in general, he was apparently not averse, under certain circumstances, to enhancing bin Laden's operational capabilities."

What's more, the recent Senate report says that, "From 1996 to 2003, the IIS focused its terrorist activities on Western interests, particularly the US and Israel." For more on this, read "The Missing Link," by The Weekly Standard's Stephen F. Hayes. Steve, who spoke at FDD's recent symposium on "The Future of Iraq and the War on Terrorism," literally wrote the book on "The Connection," between Saddam and al Qaeda.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/

Clifford May proudly slaps his name all over this crapsite.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #110
111. Double Yech! Check out the board!
Board of Directors


Steve Forbes
Board Member
CEO Forbes Magazine
Dr. Jeane J. Kirkpatrick
Board Member
Fmr. Ambassador to the UN


Jack Kemp
Chairman
Fmr. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development


Distinguished Advisors


Newt Gingrich
Fmr. Speaker of the House
R. James Woolsey
Fmr. Director of the CIA


Board of Advisors


Gary Bauer
President
American Values
Charles Krauthammer
Syndicated Columnist


Donna Brazile
Campaign Manager
Gore 2000
Bill Kristol
Editor
Weekly Standard


Rep. Eric Cantor
Chairman (R-VA)
Task Force on Terrorism
Hon. Richard D. Lamm
Fmr. Governor
Colorado


Rep. Eliot Engel
(D-NY)
U.S. House of Representatives
Sen. Frank Lautenberg
(D-NJ)
U.S. Senate


Rep. Mark Foley
(R-FL)
U.S. House of Representatives
Rep. Jim Marshall
(D-GA)
U.S. House of Representatives


Frank Gaffney
President
Center for Security Policy
Sen. Zell Miller
(D-GA)
U.S. Senate


Amb. Marc Ginsberg
Fmr. Ambassador
Morroco
Richard Perle
Former Chair of the Defense Policy Board and FDD Advisor


Rep. J.D. Hayworth
(R-AZ)
U.S. House of Representatives
Sen. Charles E. Schumer
(D-NY)
U.S. Senate


Charles Jacobs
President
American Anti-Slavery Group


Senior Fellows


Dr. Jonathan Adelman
Professor
University of Denver
Dr. Walid Phares
Professor
Florida Atlantic University


Dr. Mohammed Akacem
Professor
Metropolitan State College of Denver
Jess Sadick
Analyst and Middle East Specialist


Richard Z. Chesnoff
Journalist
Dr. Frederic Smoler
Professor
Sarah Lawrence College


Paul Crespo
Former Marine Corps Officer and Military Attaché
Jan Ting
Law Professor
Temple University


Ithaar Derweesh
Doctor
Victoria Toensing
Fmr. Chief Counsel to Sen. Intelligence Committee


Agota Kuperman
U.S. Foreign Service (ret.)


Staff


Andrew Apostolou
Vice-President, Research
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies
Clifford D. May
President
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies


Amb. Richard W. Carlson
Vice Chairman
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies
Bill McCarthy
Director of Communications
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies


Mark Dubowitz
Vice-President, Strategic Development & Operations
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies
Cara Rosenthal
Manager, Operations
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies


Eleana Gordon
Vice-President, Communications & Democracy Programs
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies
Claudia Rosett
Journalist-in-Residence
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies


Gina Grandinetti
Manager, Campus Education Programs
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies
David Silverstein
Vice-President, Campus Education & Grassroots Programs
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies


Cherie Jolly
Operations Assistant
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies
Jonathan L. Snow
Manager, Research & Messaging
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies


Sara H. Levy
Manager, Special Projects
The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies.htm

How unfortunate Lautenberg would have his name associated with such slime. I thought he was on our side!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #111
114. Newt, Victoria Toensing, Gary Bauer, Krauthammer but surpirse
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 06:07 PM by Pallas180
Donna Brasille....lots of talk about her - she was campaign manager
for Gore.....maybe helped him lose?

Yeah, you're right, what a group...a lot of them the far right talking
heads.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #114
117. Doesn't the Trilateral Commission also have a few token Democrats?
Well-meaning people who don't realize they're being used? Or super devious poseurs just waiting to pull a Zell?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #117
119. That's a good question. How do we tell the good guys from the
bad?

Like Corzine. I really wonder about him. Why was it so important
for him to spend $60 million to become a Senator?

Former brokerage house.

Now we have to look at bankers, brokers, big money guys cross eyed.

Same with Blumberg. He bought the mayorship.

WHY?

Why is it so important for these big money people to hold political office....now.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #119
190. Good call on Corzine, Pallas. He's Goldman Sachs.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #111
125. These people are downright incestuous in the relationships
on boards and whatnot, aren't they?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #110
112. Yeah, but does he mention Rummy and Cheney selling nuclear
components to Iran and Cheney's rant at having to sell them
illegaly?

Looking up Stephen F. Hayes.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #112
115. Check out this story on Clifford May knowing about Valerie Plame.
About That Leak...

By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted October 10, 2003.


Is anyone asking Clifford May who his sources are? The neo-conservative prez of the FDD boasted that Valerie Plame's identity 'wasn't news to me.'

If the Justice Department or anyone else wants to find out who blew the cover of CIA operative Valerie Plame, the spouse of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson who has been causing so much trouble for the Bush administration, they might ask Clifford May, president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), a neo-conservative outfit closely linked to pro-Likud hawks in the administration.

Aside from Wilson himself, May is the only person who has publicly claimed knowledge of Plame's employment at the CIA even before Robert Novak, the columnist who broke the story. Novak apparently acted at the behest of two "senior White House officials" who, according to a highly placed but unnamed source at the Washington Post, informed six reporters around the capital that Plame worked for the agency.

Writing in the National Review Online Sept. 29 -- the same day that the Post confirmed the CIA had asked for a criminal investigation of Novak's source -- May declared, somewhat enviously perhaps:

"That wasn't news to me. I had been told that -- but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhand manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of."

May went further when he was interviewed by Fox News' John Gibson on the same day. "I knew this, and a lot of other people knew it," he said, implying that it wasn't only the one source who had informed him.

"Somebody else told it to me with a different spin," May told Gibson. "He said, 'Cliff, you've been too tough on Joe Wilson, accusing him of being a Bush basher and a leftwinger, because, you know, his wife works for the CIA. I mean, he's really not quite that bad.'

"So I think it may be something of an open secret," May told Gibson.

May's assertions raise some troubling questions. Exactly who were the "insiders" for whom this was "something of an open secret?" Why and how did they pass on this information so readily to May? And is the FBI asking May who his sources were?

A 10-year veteran of the New York Times and the Rocky Mountain News, May became director of communications at the Republican National Committee in 1997, a post that he retained until 2001 when he joined BSMG Worldwide, one of the world's largest and most politically connected public and media relations firms. Two days after 9/11, he and his associates founded the FDD, whose board of directors include Steve Forbes, former HHS Secretary Jack Kemp, and former UN Amb. Jeane Kirkpatrick, who, since resigning in 1985, has made the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) her principal home.

The FDD also has two boards of advisers; the first consists of "distinguished advisers" of which there are two -- former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former CIA director James Woolsey -- both of whom are members of Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld's Defense Policy Board (DPB). The second, presumably less distinguished board of advisers constitutes a bipartisan who's who of pro-Israel hawks leading with the former chairman of the DPB, Richard Perle.

Other members include the ultra-hawkish president of the Center for Security Policy and former Perle aide, Frank Gaffney, pro-Likud columnist Charles Krauthammer, and Weekly Standard editor and chairman of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), Bill Kristol.

In other words, May is surrounded by the same neoconservatives who played the starring roles outside the administration in getting the U.S. to go to war in Iraq.

FDD increased its public profile sharply in Washington during the spring of 2002 just as Bush sent Secretary of State Colin Powell to the Middle East to try to negotiate a ceasefire as a prelude to renewed peace negotiations between Palestinians and the Israelis. At the time, Bush himself had called on Israel to withdraw troops that had moved to re-occupy towns in the West Bank.

FDD began airing 30-second television spots in and around the capital, whose principal message was that there is no difference between Palestinian suicide bombings and the 9/11 hijackings.

The spot opened "The Suicide Strategy," in bold letters. The narrator begins, "It was used by terrorists against America on September 11. It's being used by terrorists against against Israel day after day," as the image flashes to a hellish scene immediately after a suicide bombing. "If we let the suicide strategy succeed anywhere in the world, it will succeed everywhere," the narrator continued as the video showed Palestinian children dressed up as suicide bombers at a Hamas demosntration. The video depicts the burning of a U.S. flag and then fades to an imperative again written in bold type: Never Appease Terrorism."

The producer of the video, which aired repeatedly over a period of several weeks into May 2002, was Nir Boms, a former public affairs officer of the Israeli Embassy, who also serves as FDD's vice president.

Considering FDD's activities and perspectives, it seems likely that the sources who provided May with Plame's identity and association with the CIA are the same people who vigorously promoted the war. They have also worked closely with key neo-cons within the administration who have long advocated the closest possible ties and cooperation between the U.S. government and Israel. But prominent members of May's own boards could very well have been informed by these administration figures themselves.

In his National Review article, May said his first source had once worked for the government; a description that certainly applies to Richard Perle, Woolsey, Gaffney, Kirkpatrick and others.

It's not clear whether May, if asked to identify his source, could dodge the question. While he once was a bona fide journalist, he is now primarily a lobbyist and thus not necessarily entitled to the exemptions granted columnist Novak. While May writes a weekly column for publication by some newspapers and is a contributor to the National Review, that may not be enough to exempt him. In any case, journalists and the FBI may find May's lead the most productive one available.

http://www.alternet.org/story/16936

Why was Plame's work with the CIA such an "open secret" among neo-cons? How long was the plan to blow her cover in the works?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #115
118. Wasn't Woolsey head of CIA? same people everywhere - one small
group of neocons who got themselves into the most important offices
in the world.

The "journalist" Hayes is a writer for The Weekly Standard owned by
neo con Bill Kristol, right?

Cheney Speaks
... Cheney Speaks A Weekly Standard exclusive: Vice President Cheney on the
Iraq-al Qaeda connection. by Stephen F. Hayes 06/24/2004 1:05:00 PM.


That's where the whole "connection" came abut Al Queda and Saddam -
they have hold of the media...and everyghtin one person says gets
magnified 1000 times like it's accepted.

Goebbels...The bigger the lie and the more times repeated, the more
it will be believed.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #118
123. Here is an interesting line in the
Alternet article. It's a fairly new organization.
"Two days after 9/11, he and his associates founded the FDD."
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #123
128. The post-9/11 PNAC enablers.
Listen to how innocuous they make their organization sound:

The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies is a non-profit organization based in Washington, D.C. that conducts research and education on the war on terrorism.
We produce independent analyses of global terrorist threats, exploring the historical, cultural, philosophical and ideological factors that drive terrorism and threaten the individual freedoms guaranteed within democratic societies. FDD is a non-partisan organization.


Non-partisan??? Who do they think they're kidding?!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #128
134. I'll be back tomorrow, but I leave you with this bit by Molly Ivins on FDD
IVINS: Axis of Avarice

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted December 18, 2003.


Unlike the Germans, the French and the Russians, Halliburton was not punished by the Bush administration for dealing with the dictator.



LOS ANGELES -- Well! I am certainly glad to see that we are telling off the French, Germans and Russians. I couldn't agree more with the Bush administration that those treacherous, undependable countries should be punished for their past cooperation with Saddam by being shut out of the $18.6 billion in Iraqi reconstruction contracts. No contracts for quislings! Someone's got to uphold standards of morality and purity, and who better than us? As the president so often reminds us, this is a fight between good and evil.

I was particularly pleased when Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz took that sharp little dig at all three countries when he said a prime consideration for who gets the contracts was "protection of the essential security interests of the United States." And was there ever anything more inimical to our security than all those tons and tons of weapons of mass destruction we have found in Iraq? That'll teach those vodka-swilling Rooskies to think our security is not their affair. Way to go, Wolfie.

Of course, it was a little awkward that Wolfowitz gave the three Saddam-dealing nations that body slam just as former Secretary of State James Baker was setting out to ask them for money. That did sort of bring up Casey Stengel's plaintive question, "Doesn't anybody here know how to play this game?" But the beauty of our position is its moral clarity. Surely the French, Germans and Russians won't mind being cut out and dissed just when we're asking them for money -- it would be so petty of them.

I was especially entranced to read about the moral case for stiffing these nations on the op-ed page of The New York Times in an article by Claudia Rosett, senior fellow with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. It says on its website that the foundation is against terrorism, thus distinguishing it from all the foundations in favor of terrorism.

Rosett calls the three delinquent countries "the Axis of Avarice." Isn't that cute? In all fairness, the senior fellow reminds us: "Remember, plenty of money flowed through Saddam Hussein's Iraq ... many countries took part in that frenzy of lending, including Japan as the No. 1 sovereign lender. Then came Russia, France and Germany and, yes, the United States as No. 5." But surely you see the immense moral difference between being No. 5, as opposed to being 2, 3 or 4? All the difference in the world.

Rosett continues: "But in the 1990s, as the Iraqi dictator's depravities became increasingly evident to the rest of the world, that list narrowed." (Actually, his depravities had been evident to many of us as far back as the days when the Reagan administration was sending Saddam arms.)

The senior fellow continues: "Under the U.N.'s oil-for-food program, the despot got to tap his preferred business partners. ... What began as a relief program for Iraqis suffering under sanctions turned into a multibillion dollar contracting business flowing through the shrouded books of the United Nations. By the end, the Russians were selling the Baathist elite luxury cars, the French were providing broadcasting equipment for the Information Ministry, and the Germans and Chinese worked on the phone system. ... Old Europe's indignation over the (U.S.) list is a marvel of hypocrisy."

Speaking of marvels of hypocrisy, the U.N.'s books on who dealt with Iraq are not all that shrouded. For example, one of the disgusting companies actually making profits from dealing with the despicable dictator in the 1990s -- long after his depravities had become evident to even the less attentive sectors of the world -- was, well, golly, look at this, Halliburton. Between 1997 and 2000, while Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, the company sold $73 million worth of oilfield equipment and services to Saddam Hussein.

At least Halliburton was not selling luxury cars to the Baathist elite. Halliburton, the oilfield equipment company, merely kept Saddam Hussein's oil fields pumping, the only thing that allowed the s.o.b. to stay in power. Halliburton cleverly ran its business with Saddam through two of its subsidiaries, Dresser Rand and Ingersoll-Dresser, in order to avoid the sanctions.

Unlike the Germans, the French and the Russians, Halliburton was not punished by the Bush administration for dealing with the dictator. Instead, it got the largest reconstruction contract given by this administration, with an estimated value between $5 billion and $15 billion. And the company got the contract without competitive bidding.

Halliburton has amply repaid the administration's faith. The Pentagon is now investigating the company for at least $120 million in overcharges, including $60 million for importing gasoline into Iraq and $67 million on a food services contract. Among the allegations are that Halliburton had blood in its food service refrigerators and is serving our soldiers rotten meat.

I think the French will particularly enjoy being lectured on their hypocrisy, preferably by Cheney himself. It's the kind of thing sophisticated people especially appreciate.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/17421/
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #134
139. Molly Ivins would love our theory on Darth Vader & WMD -
From Robert Paulsen's post of Molly Ivins:

"Speaking of marvels of hypocrisy, the U.N.'s books on who dealt with Iraq are not all that shrouded. For example, one of the disgusting companies actually making profits from dealing with the despicable dictator in the 1990s -- long after his depravities had become evident to even the less attentive sectors of the world -- was, well, golly, look at this, Halliburton. Between 1997 and 2000, while Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, the company sold $73 million worth of oilfield equipment and services to Saddam Hussein.

At least Halliburton was not selling luxury cars to the Baathist elite. Halliburton, the oilfield equipment company, merely kept Saddam Hussein's oil fields pumping, the only thing that allowed the s.o.b. to stay in power. Halliburton cleverly ran its business with Saddam through two of its subsidiaries, Dresser Rand and Ingersoll-Dresser, in order to avoid the sanctions."
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #128
140. Propaganda organ for the neo-cons. Woolsey is also on Cheney's AEI
Institute.

Like I said...a handful with the ear of the media...

cvhanging the course of this country.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #118
124. Goebbels. Exactly what I was thinking!
It's like the neo-cons created a media-military-industrial complex with the FAUX-Weekly Standard-MSRNC axis at the same time they continue to crow about liberal media bias.

Have they no shame?!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #115
127. An intersting line here
"In other words, May is surrounded by the same neoconservatives who played the starring roles outside the administration in getting the U.S. to go to war in Iraq."

What. A. Shock. Can you say "brazen"? Knew you could.....
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:01 PM
Response to Original message
92. TREASON as defined by the U. S. Constitution:
Article lll

"Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in
levying war against them, or in adhereing to their enemies, giving them aid and cofort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on
the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession
in open court.

The Congres shall have power to declare the punishment of treason , but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #92
94. Okay, reading the Constitution on Treason, I guess
that Pappy being 80 , and his papers being sealed, Americans will
not be able to obtain the evidence of his giving China the W88,
or other countries, including Pakistan...

Therefore if he dies, before discovery or charges of his "works",
no "forfeiture" of his ill begotten riches through Carlyle could
be confiscated.

any way that's the way I read it.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #94
95. BUT, who could be charged ? Cheney? Rmsfeld? what
about dimson "aid and comfort" to the Saudis?"

to Pakistan?

Chalabi?

What about Cheney's crew, any of them?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #95
129. How about PNAC members?
They're in it just as deep- deeper, actually, than Dimson.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #129
135. Well, the ones who got us into war through lies,,,maybe - Feith,
Libby, Bolton, Chalabi, Cheney for sure, but because of illegal WMD trading...who else? KGF? and why?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #135
152. That's the $64,000,000 question, isn't it?
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 09:09 PM by kgfnally
Who was buying and who was selling. I'm betting that it's Iran or Pakistan; both have some serious ambitions. Also there's a very logical reasoning in the PNAC mindset for selling these weapons to those nations:

1. Justification of continued and additional funding for US military projects,

2. Direct knowledge of where the WMDs are and who's buying them,

3. Direct knowledge of the situation in general, which helps them stay in power.

There are two "whos" here; the one that specifically sold or was going to sell the weapons Plame was investigation (if any) and the "who" that got the whole operation rolling. The third "who"- the recipient- could be nothing more than a simple dupe. As frightening as that game is on the international stage, it appears to be the one the PNACers are playing, with horrifying ramifications.

edit: As for why... I think maybe they know exactly what the oil situation is and are positioning themselves to be the ones on top and in control once the black gold really starts to run dry, but you could as easily simply state power and control as their overall objectives.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #152
235. I'll also add
Other parties than the ones you named, Pallas, would be those who were on the other side of the business deals, and more specifically the people who funded them. I'd wager that there's an incredible amount of money laundering going on which, simply put, is off-limits to investigation. As for why it's off limits, it's an issue of national security. :)

We're being generally scammed here, out of an enormous pile of cash we could use for our schools, our health care system, and our personal well-being; instead we are being forced to spend far, far more on killing than we do on living. If we're not contributing, we're expendable, as they only value those who can contribute to them. If you volunteer to contribute your life... well, they need people to wage their manufactured wars. Iraq is a perfect example; the excuse was al Qaeda. A phony war in a beachhead country riding the wave of a valid excuse? You bet they would have motive to say yes to that. It would be the easiest sell in the world, and oh so conveniently fishtails with their own goals.

Does that make sense? It's very, very hard to discover who's involved with what aspect when there's such a multitude of business deals and perhaps only one single documented meeting that proves a tenuous connection at best. They've managed to pull a fast one: information overload. They can hide the deals in plain sight, as it were, simply due to that one piece of information being a single leaf in a vast forest of trees (if I may mix my metaphors).

We have criminal conspiracy statutes on the books for a very good reason: we know criminal conspiracies can and do exist. I don't know if I would go so far as to call this a conspiracy. This is a large group of people who all have the same worldview- they're the elite because they're just better. We used to call them snobs when I was growing up. Can that be called a conspiracy, when so many who believe thusly are in the seats of power?

Let's put the question to a jury and find out.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #94
103. Could President Kerry unseal them next year?
How long is this seal supposed to last? Who determines it?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #103
106. RP good question.-I think a Congress Senator might know the
answer to that.

He not only sealed pappy's papers but Bill Clinton's - I guess hurting
Bill's library which he is so proud of....

and did he seal Reqagan's also?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #106
109. I think Poppa sealed Reagan's records, but it could be dimson
Clinton probably has dirt on Poppa, that's why his papers are under wraps too.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #109
113. Where has H20 gone?
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 06:08 PM by shraby
He's usually here off and on. By the way, what has been dug up today is making me ill...and I don't get ill very often.

Has anyone made Maher aware of this thread?

edited to add.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #113
116. Scraby, he's on vacation for a week - miss him don't we ?
he always comes out with the right thing at the right time.

Words of wisdom.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #113
120. SCHRABY, No, great idea though. I once emailed him about
Coulter and asked why he had her on, that she was both nuts
and looked like a refugee from a bulemia camp....

lol and he emailed me back...

The threads would be too much time for him, but "the letter "
could really get his attention, do you think?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #120
121. SCHRABY - which part of the thread makes you
sick?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #121
126. Actually most of it...
people in our own government selling nuke shit all over the world, the ABB and Rummy, Moon selling subs to N. Korea. Don't these idiots know they aren't immune to nuke fallout or "bombs bursting in air"? What will be left won't be anything to govern or brag about. They may have the very best in bunkers to hide in, but they gotta come out sometime and face the music and I'll bet there will be unfriendly music to face.

All of them need to be rounded up and charged with crimes against the nation and spend the rest of their ill begotten lives in a regular federal penitentiary. The dirty bastards.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #126
131. About Bill Maher, he could read
just this thread and if interested, he might read the others but this one has enough to let him see what's going on. He has connections that would be helpful.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #131
133. Go for it, Schraby...esxpecially Cheney selling nukes to forbidden
countries, he now wants to make war on.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #133
167. Rampart Division Redux.
And on the world stage, no less.

:kick: for the mornin crowd.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #126
132. All we can do is try to make everyone aware of their treason.
Sometimes I get angry again, and say same thing - bastids.

Now you know why dimson wants exploration of Mars...thinking he'll have a place to go...

and there's also that space station where people have been up there
for years.

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't something like that readied
for the plicks so they can avoid radiation.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #132
136. I just notified the Gary Hart blogger
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 07:10 PM by shraby
to read thread #16. I'll try to find out how to contact Bill Maher.

Maher is notified.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #136
144. You're a go getter Schraby. Anyway to get hold of Molly Ivins -
she just wrote a great piece on Halliburton - but doesn't seem
to know about the sales all over the middle east of not just
oil equipment but dual use components that trigger nukes.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #144
147. Molly Ivins has been notified
about thread 16.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #147
149. Schraby - you're too much..and I'm happy that you are!!!
:bounce:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #132
169. Found this on Alternet
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 10:27 AM by kgfnally
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/17230

"The leak of a secret memorandum written by a senior Pentagon official reveals less about the connection between Saddam and al Qaeda than the growing desperation of neo-conservative hawks in the Bush administration.

A Weekly Standard article, titled "Case Closed," published Monday summarized a lengthy memorandum sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Oct. 27 by Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, Douglas Feith. He was responding to a request to provide evidence supporting his assertion during a closed hearing last July that U.S. intelligence agencies had established a long-standing operational links between al Qaeda and Baghdad.

The memorandum consists mainly of 50 excerpts culled from raw intelligence reports by four U.S. intelligence agencies about alleged al Qaeda-Iraqi contacts from 1990 to 2003."

-quick snip to another paragraph, further down-

"Both he and Goodman point to striking similarities between this latest case and the leaking of the undercover identity of Valerie Plame, the wife of retired Ambassador Joseph Wilson."

I got this by Googling "feith +plame" (no quotes). The temptation to do this came from absolutely nowhere, if you want to know. :)

Leaking classified information appears to be part of their MO, doesn't it?
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #169
231. Check this out, Reuters today -- US blows sting
U.S. "jeopardised" al Qaeda sting
Fri 6 August, 2004 19:02



ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - U.S. officials revealed the name of captured al Qaeda suspect Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan while he was still cooperating with Pakistani authorities, a Pakistani intelligence source has told Reuters.

Khan e-mailed comrades on Sunday and Monday as part of a Pakistani sting operation against Osama bin Laden's network, the source said on Friday.

But his name appeared in the New York Times on Monday following anonymous briefings by U.S. officials, raising suggestions their disclosure could have jeopardised the sting.

"He was cooperating with interrogators on Sunday and Monday and sent e-mails on both days," the intelligence source told Reuters. Khan was moved to a new location on Monday evening, he said.

U.S. officials revealed Khan's name in anonymous briefings with journalists after New York and Washington were put on high alert for a possible al Qaeda attack.

....

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=560824§ion=news

Same deal. Blows an active operation to justify code orange which, as we know, was to get Kerry's face off the tube.

People may die because of shit like this; that suits them fine--they think it will help.

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:00 PM
Response to Original message
150. I Cannot Print The Doc
It is printing in white for some strange reason. I just checked my printer by printer another document and it comes out just fine. I have also manually colored the text in black, and still nothing. I have printed a text version, rtf version and a Microsucks Doc version. NADA!!!

Great read though.:mad:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #150
151. Stepnwolf, which doc cant you print...maybe we need to fix it.
?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #151
153. Sorry Pallas... I fixed the issue
Pretty strange though. All set, thank you for all your hard work! I'm already printing it and ready to spread the word!!!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #153
154. Great STEPNWOLF-let us know where you get the best results :)
:hi:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #154
155. You Got It
Just sent it to a Repug friend. I doubt it will do anything, but then again, only a fool assumes anything these days.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 10:43 PM
Response to Original message
157. NEWBIES -Take a look at the "flyer" in the header, copy and paste
and maintain your anonymity by printing 10 of them each week, or more
if you're inclined, and leave them in post office, on buses, trains,
beauty parlors,coffee houses would be a good one, diners where people are always looking for something to read while eating... It spreads
the word of what the cabal is really doing, makes people think, and
perhaps will get them calling and writing newspapers, tv stations,
and their conggress reps.

Thanks a lot for all who can help get out the word.

Warmest regards

Pallas
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:05 PM
Response to Original message
158. Pallas, H2O Man, and all: Check this out! Is the Intel community biting
Edited on Wed Aug-04-04 11:09 PM by iconoclastic cat
back?

On Drudge right now:

(snip)
Ala. Senator Shelby Leaked Classified Info To FOX NEWS, Feds Say... MORE... Shelby 'divulged classified intercepted messages to the media when he was on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence'... WASH POST reporting Thursday: 'Fox News chief political correspondent Carl Cameron confirmed to FBI investigators that Shelby verbally divulged the information to him during a June 19, 2002, interview, minutes after Shelby's committee had been given the information in a classified briefing'... Developing...
(snip)
****

And then, shraby posted this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2158091#2158117

shraby (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-04-04 10:59 PM
Original message
This might be the Shelby leak



Agencies 'not cooperating fully,' Shelby says
May 18, 2002 Posted: 6:57 PM EDT (2257 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee had harsh words for U.S. intelligence agencies Saturday, accusing them of "not cooperating fully" with a congressional inquiry into intelligence failures leading up to the September 11 attacks.

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Alabama, has been pushing for a full investigation, but said federal agencies in the executive branch that are part of the investigation, including the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency, are not following through on Vice President Dick Cheney's pledge that the administration would cooperate.

"They're not cooperating fully," Shelby said. "We are hoping that they're going to change their mind on some issues.

"We've got a meeting next week with the attorney general, and we're going to carry it all the way to the White House if we have to, because this inquiry has to be done," Shelby said on CNN's "Novak, Hunt and Shields." "It has to be done right, thorough and credible, to prevent attacks like that in the future."

(more)

<http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/18/sept.11 />
****

What do you think? A bit FTW-ish, but still compelling, isn't it?
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #158
159. tip of the iceberg
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #159
161. I'm not sure I'm understanding this whole picture re: Shelby....
Was he leaking info to FAUX news, when it came out in a private/classified brief, that the intelligence agencies had gotten wind of the 9/11 attack the DAY AFTER THE ATTACK, due to late interpretation, and now he's going after the intelligence agencies (thru shrub & asscrotch) because they didn't de-code the communication fast enough?

Izzat correct??

:kick:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #161
163. All I found was the old article,
the new posts about it have nothing as to what it was he leaked.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #161
164. "tomorrow is zero hour"

Shelby was vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee when the inquiry began in the summer of 2002. The trigger was a CNN report that government eavesdroppers had intercepted Arabic communications shortly before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks saying "tomorrow is zero hour" and that "the match" was about to begin. The intercepts were not translated until Sept. 12.

The CNN story was apparently based on secret testimony to the House and Senate intelligence committees. It prompted a rebuke from the White House and a hasty request from lawmakers for an FBI investigation to find out who was behind the leak.

more
http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/news/1090919801168000.xml
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #164
165. I remember, at the time, that bush was mad that there was a leak....
and that the FBI was sent into congress to investigate who the leaker was....and they were trying to make it look like it was a Dem that "must" have done it. We never heard another word about it, did we? Until now!

So.....NOW, Shelby, the "leaker", is going after the intelligence agencies for not catching the intercepted communications BEFORE 9/11; but evidently he pissed off Intelligence by throwing mud on them, so they're bringing out the story that HE was the one who leaked??!!

Shelby's not too smart, is he.

The real problem is, intelligence DID know about 9/11, but was keeping it all under wraps to benefit the hawks Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, etc....and shrub's daddy's pals... all who stood to profit from multiple wars.

What a nasty web they weave, ey?

:kick:

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #165
173. So I guess we should all send Shelby "THE LETTER" as long
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 01:10 PM by Pallas180
as he's mad as a hornet...he might be willing to go all the way!\


:bounce:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #164
172. Inotherwords, Shelby was pointing the finger at what the WH didn't
want anyone to know about. I guess.

So now they'll try to prosecute Shelby for leaking classified.

Could you believe this crap..confusion on top of confusion so
no one will ever be able to untangle.

Point at the leaker, instead of a tthe failure of the government in
protecting the populace.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #161
184. Some info on Shelby, including 2002 Intelligence Report:
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 02:32 PM by Zorra
In light of recent events concerning Senator Shelby, and also the findings if the 9/11 Commission and their recommendations for a more centralized intelligence community I found this report interesting.

It's a long read and it is PDF:

http://www.senate.gov/~intelligence/shelby.pdf

U.S. intelligence agencies find themselves defending their abilities in the aftermath of the deadliest terrorist assault in the country's history. Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, said the incident demonstrates the need for a broader array of recruits familiar with other cultures and languages.

"If we had a warning and missed it, that is a failure of intelligence, big time," Shelby said after being briefed by Attorney General John D. Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III. "If we didn't have any inkling of this event, as well-planned and well-executed as it became, that's a failure, too."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A21046-2001Sep12¬Found=true

Shelby's office could not be reached for comment, but he has previously -- and vigorously -- denied involvement in any leaks.
In June 2002, CNN and other news organizations reported on messages intercepted by U.S. intelligence on September 10, 2001, that consisted of Arabic-language telephone conversations between people in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

One of the intercepts said, "The match begins tomorrow." The other said, "Tomorrow is zero hour." The intercepts, however, were not translated and analyzed until September 12, the day after the attacks. Sources said the intercepts would have been studied within 48 hours, regardless of the attacks.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=59012&Disp=2&Trace=on

A joint House-Senate committee was holding closed-door hearings on the Sept. 11 attacks when CNN reported "congressional sources" as saying that intercepts were made on Sept. 10 that hinted at the impending terrorist attacks. However, the intercepts were not translated until Sept. 12.

Shelby, speaking to a small group at the Grove Hill Town Hall, noted that there were over 100 people in the room where the hearings were conducted.

What is important about the controversy, Shelby said, is that the National Security Agency did not translate the messages in a timely manner. Knowing what was said the day after the attacks was of little use, he explained.

http://www.clarkecountydemocrat.com/News/2004/0205/Front_Page/012.html

The Shelby-Tenet feud
Senator says CIA boss should 'look in the mirror' for 9-11 blame
snip------
Tenet became the director of Central Intelligence in 1997, while former President Clinton was in office. Bush kept him in the position, a move Shelby said was a mistake.

Ironically, Clinton's nomination of Tenet as DCI was largely due to Shelby's actions. Shelby's chairmanship of the intelligence committee permitted him to block a Senate vote to confirm Clinton's first choice, Anthony Lake. Ultimately Lake withdrew his name and Clinton nominated Tenet, then the CIA's acting director.

After the Senate confirmed Tenet, Shelby called the new DCI a "man of integrity and professionalism," possessing "a distinguished record of service in the intelligence community."

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040425/fe...

Sen. Shelby the subject of probe on 9/11 intelligence leak
Investigation linked to 2001 al-Qaida communications, sources say
EXCLUSIVE
By Pete Williams and Robert Windrem
NBC News

WASHINGTON - Information about a criminal investigation of possible intelligence leaks by Sen. Richard Shelby was referred to the Senate Ethics Committee on Thursday, senior law enforcement and intelligence officials have told NBC News.

The investigation centers on the leak of highly classified intelligence related to al-Qaida communications in June 2002, primarily to CNN.

CNN reported on June 20 that in one communication intercepted by the National Security Agency on Sept. 10, 2001, an individual was overheard saying, "The match begins tomorrow" while in another that same day, a second person said, "Tomorrow is zero hour." In both, the speakers were in Afghanistan and were speaking to individuals in Saudi Arabia. The intercept was not found until Sept. 12, 2001.

The intercept was from a communications channel the United States had identified as a key communications link for al-Qaida operatives.

The White House and CIA were incensed by the leak and demanded an investigation. Vice President Dick Cheney was so angered by the leak that he personally called the chairs of both the House and Senate Intelligence committees, believing the leak came from inside the committees.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5504846 /
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #184
203. ZORRA, heh heh, nice when they cannibalize each other :)
isn't it.

The most telling is that Shelby was a member of the team when
he blocked Clinton's appointee, Anthony Lake, and Clinton wins
once again when what you have posted becomes know.

Shelby commended Tenet highly at the time.

Well, again, as long as Shelby is fighting with Cheney and the
White House I think we should send him what we have on Cheney -
The Plame Letter above.

Let him take it all the way.

heh heh
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #203
221. To be honest
I don't know what to make of Shelby. He ran a horrible smear campaign against Tony Lake, forcing him to drop out of consideration for CIA Director. His committee approved Tenet in a heartbeat, and then he spoke very highly of him, only to turn around and enter into an apparent vicious feud with him.

The feud could be a smokescreen. The smearing of Lake and the rapid confirmation of Tenet has made me suspicious. Was Tenet in the PNAC pocket all the time, or was he screwed? Was Shelby part of a plan to put a plant in as CIA Director, or did he actually recognize that the Bu$h administration had stacked the deck in our Intelligence agencies for the PNAC? Or did he feud with Tenet because Tenet was simply not doing his job?

Shelby has friends in the Intelligence community. Let's hope and pray that he is a patriot, and will do what he can to out the traitors in Intelligence and the Bu$h administration.

And why did he (allegedly) leak the info about that intercept? Was it to bust Tenet, or does it go deeper?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #158
171. Hmmm. Is this pointed at Cheney or the Intel Agencies is my
first thought, and my second thought is, is this payback through
Fox propaganda faux news at Shelby for rocking the boat?
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 07:45 AM
Response to Original message
166. Color version of letter in PDF form here (one page)
http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/letter.pdf

(Thanks to my fellow DUers for finding a Web home for this! :hi: )
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #166
168. Should we have a version with a link to our DU Thread?
It might be easier to get wider distribution with some kind of attribution. Since this has been a joint effort maybe the thread should be mentioned.

I have been asked for that by a few people who would feel more comfortable distributing the flyer at tables at fairs, etc. The total anonymity makes it a bit less credible in their eyes.

Is there any consensus on this?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #168
170. I Agree
It does lend credibility when there are names and people willing to say I said that. Also, linking it to DU means that anyone who wants to do a follow-up or learn more can.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #170
180. Would you have to ask the permission of Democratic Underground
to put their name on a paper like that?

And also it is part of a "whispering campaing" - anonymity.

Some people don't wear clothes with "designer's names and logos"
cause they don't want to advertise for them, if you see what I mean.

Actually it's meant to be passed out to people who are not internet connected...that's 240 million people in the U.S.

:)

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #180
181. You Make Excellent Points
As good as the PDF itself
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #181
186. I'll use the Waterman Paper along with it and reference
it as a DU editorial. I think that will work for this event in particular. It's a local Peace group that is setting up an information booth at a Town fair. They're hesitant to hand out something without some kind of attribution.

And the color versionj looks great. Thanks!!!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #166
174. DIST22DEM - YOU ARE A PRINCE!! EVRYBODY LOOKEE AT PRO PAGE
BY DIST 22 DEM

GREAT FOR ANONYMOUS DISTRIBUTION!!!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #174
175. Did We Know That the Records for Air Force 1 Were Supoened?


Air Force One Phone Records Subpoenaed
By Tom Brune for Newsday.


The federal grand jury probing the leak of a covert CIA officer's identity has subpoenaed records of Air Force One telephone calls in the week before the officer's name was published in a column in July, according to documents obtained by Newsday.

Also sought in the wide-ranging document requests contained in three grand jury subpoenas to the Executive Office of President George W. Bush are records created in July by the White House Iraq Group, a little-known internal task force established in August 2002 to create a strategy to publicize the threat posed by Saddam Hussein.
And the subpoenas asked for a transcript of a White House spokesman's press briefing in Nigeria, a list of those attending a birthday reception for a former president, and, casting a much wider net than previously reported, records of White House contacts with more than two dozen journalists and news media outlets.
The three subpoenas were issued to the White House on Jan. 22, three weeks after Patrick Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney in Chicago, was appointed special counsel in the probe and during the first wave of appearances by White House staffers before the grand jury.
The investigation seeks to determine if anyone violated federal law that prohibits officials with security clearances from intentionally or knowingly disclosing the identity of an undercover agent...
White House implicated
The subpoenas underscore indications that the initial stages of the investigation have focused largely on the White House staff members most involved in shaping the administration's message on Iraq, and appear to be based in part on specific information already gathered by investigators, attorneys said Thursday.


http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/002085.php
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #175
187. I think that was also referenced in the interview with Dimson
But I'm not sure. Something more was mentioned around the time of his 70 minute "interview."

Anybody have anything on it? I'll try google.
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #174
183. Thank you!
So glad I could contribute something. (P.S. I'm a princess)

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #166
177. DIST22DEM, I made a separate thread for your flyer on Gen
Discussion.

It's so beautifully done, it deserves a separate thread, and I'm sure
it'll get the attention of lots of people who don't read Plame -

Thanks again so much. It's really impressive!


:bounce:
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:39 PM
Response to Original message
185. Heard this great interview on NPR, Re: pakistan
It's regarding Pakistan's current push for arrests but also shows the degree of complicity shrubbie has with Pak. I posted a thread in GD that went nowhere, but it is a good listen. Here's from my thread:



Last night on "The World" on NPR I heard an amazing interview with Husain Huqqani, former special assistant to three former Pakistani prime ministers. He essentially confirmed the "July Surprise" story from the New Rebublic. Not only that, he essentially the situation is quid pro quo and that bunnypants administration has offered monetary, military and political incentives.

Here's the archive page, it's an interesting listen (3rd one down, Pakistan interview):

http://www.theworld.org/latesteditions/20040804.shtml

For some background, here's a snippet from Will's recent piece, "Fabricating Terror."

Do you doubt it? Recall, if you will, the report in July by John Judis, Spencer Ackerman, and Massoud Ansari of the New Republic titled 'July Surprise'. The report read, "This spring, the administration significantly increased its pressure on Pakistan to kill or capture Osama bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman Al Zawahiri, or the Taliban's Mullah Mohammed Omar, all of whom are believed to be hiding in the lawless tribal areas of Pakistan. A succession of high-level American officials--from outgoing CIA Director George Tenet to Secretary of State Colin Powell to Assistant Secretary of State Christina Rocca to State Department counterterrorism chief Cofer Black to a top CIA South Asia official--have visited Pakistan in recent months to urge General Pervez Musharraf's government to do more in the war on terrorism."

The kicker appears in the next paragraph: "A third source, an official who works under ISI's director, Lieutenant General Ehsan ul-Haq, informed TNR that the Pakistanis 'have been told at every level that apprehension or killing of HVTs (High Value Targets) before election is absolute must.' What's more, this source claims that Bush administration officials have told their Pakistani counterparts they have a date in mind for announcing this achievement: 'The last ten days of July deadline has been given repeatedly by visitors to Islamabad and during meetings in Washington.'... But according to this ISI official, a White House aide told ul-Haq last spring that 'it would be best if the arrest or killing of HVT were announced on twenty-six, twenty-seven, or twenty-eight July'--the first three days of the Democratic National Convention in Boston."

On the Thursday of the Democratic convention in Boston, the day John Kerry was to accept the nomination and deliver the central speech of the week, Pakistan announced the capture of Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, a Tanzanian Al Qaeda operative wanted in connection with the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Pakistan, it seems, got the message from Tenet, Powell, Rocca, Black and the Bush administration itself.

They delivered the terrorist exactly on cue.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/080404A.shtml

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2162364&mesg_id=2162364
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #185
195. Thanks Steviet, Shows war is being run by political wing of WH
I wonder if that shouldn't be considered a "foreign contribution"

Whatever it is , it's immoral.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #195
199. Actually, it's more of a robbery of the treasury, for political gain
Using the influence of the US, in money, arms and political influence in order to persuade a foreign nation to provide "Happy News" on cue is the lowest of the low!

Obviously, I would prefer Al Qaida be stopped but it is SO transparent as to the reasons bush wants it stopped now. Ridge's terra alerts were nothing more than a campaign commercial, bought and paid for by all of us.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #199
202. Reminds me of the F9/11 clip where * says bin Laden not important.
I wish I had a transcript of it. It should be shown in TV ads. Talk about flip-flopping for political gain!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #199
204. And now they're announcing a lot of arrests-which in 2 years
after those people are held in some secret detention camp will
probably turn out to have nothing to do with terra.

But it makes great copy putting attention on how much dimson is
doing (he thinks) and (he thinks) taking the spotlight off Kerry.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 04:10 PM
Response to Original message
188. Good afternoon! I'm searching the Scomi-Cognis-Baroid axis of evil.
Just to refresh everyone:

Scomi is the company B.S.A. Tahir, a man dimson describes as A.Q.Khan's "chief financial officer and money launderer", used to make nuclear centrifuge parts for Libya.

Scomi is connected with Cognis

Cognis is in collaboration with Baroid.

Baroid is a subsidiary of Halliburton.

A rather serpentine trail for laundering money through the Nuclear Walmart, with Cheney on the receiving end. Now, going with H20 Man's eternal question, I have to wonder:

Why would Cognis be trusted as an intermediary?

So I went to the source to find out who's on the board.

Antonio Trius, Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Dr. Antonio Trius (born 1955) has been CEO of Cognis since January 2002. When Cognis was founded in August 1999, he was the Management Board member in charge of the Care Chemicals area, with regional responsibility for North America. Trius studied chemistry in Barcelona, and on obtaining his doctorate, he joined Henkel Iberica, where he worked in product development/applications technology for organic chemicals. In 1986, he became technical manager of the Spanish chemicals subsidiary Pulcra, and was promoted to general manager in 1992. In 1995 he was appointed to the board of Henkel Iberica, where he was responsible for the chemical business. In 1997, he was appointed head of the Care Chemicals division at Henkel KgaA, becoming a member of the Management Board in 1998.

Arnold Kiel, Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Arnold Kiel (born 1961) took up the position of CFO of Cognis on 1 March 2004. Kiel studied economics and business administration in Detroit (USA) and Erlangen (Germany), and in 1988 he started his career at Salmon Brothers investment bank. From 1990 to 1996 he worked at McKinsey & Company as a strategic consultant, before joining Bertelsmann's Corporate Development department in 1996. In 1999 he was appointed CFO/COO of Springer Verlag and Bertelsmann media group, with responsibility for Central Services and the B to B division. In 2001 he became CFO of the international publishing group Random House, Inc., and was subsequently CEO and Chairman of Random House Germany.

Helmut Heymann, Chief Administration Officer (CAO)

Dr. Helmut Heymann (born 1952) has been CAO of Cognis since January 2002. He is responsible for Human Resources, Corporate Development, Corporate Communication and Legal Affairs. As a member of the Executive Committee since Cognis's founding in 1999, he was responsible for Human Resources. After obtaining his doctorate in economics, Heymann joined Henkel in 1980, where, since 1986, he was responsible for personnel recruitment and administration, subsequently becoming head of the Human Resources management sector. In 1992, he became head of the executive staff management department for the Detergents/Household Cleaners, Cosmetics and Surface Technologies sectors. From 1997, he was General Manager of the Henkel (China) Investment Company in Beijing.

http://www.cognis.com/framescout.html?/company/company.html

Don't really know those guys beyond their innocuous bios. But the investors in Cognis are Schroder Ventures Life Sciences Permira Funds and GS Capital Partners.

That's GS as in Goldman Sachs.

Would Cheney trust Goldman Sachs?

Goldman Sachs is listed side by side with Enron as one of the biggest contributors to the 2000 Bush/Cheney campaign.

http://www.mediamouse.org/static/pdf/dick_cheney.pdf

Evidently, Richard Perle thinks Goldman Sachs is on his side:

Also, Perle participated in a Goldman Sachs conference call advising investors how to reap war profits. The session was titled “Implications of an Imminent War: Iraq Now, North Korea Next?”

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0403-03.htm


Anyone else have any dirt on Goldman Sachs, or any of the other investors or board members of Cognis?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #188
191. Please keep Riggs Bank in mind
as you research this.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #191
193. Thanks for the tip, seemslikeadream!
I think starroute had some good dirt on them a few threads back. Not sure if they're on the periphery or directly involved in the Nuclear Walmart, but I'm sure they profit somehow.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #193
194. Here's what we have on Riggs
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 05:55 PM by seemslikeadream
WaPo: Allbritton Loses Riggs Bank (front page, day 3)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=691609

SEC probes Marathon Oil payments in Equitorial Guinea (and HQ burns down)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=728495

Bank Investigated for Pinochet's Fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=712043


British businessman accused of leading role in failed coup
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=557727

Web Site Cites Bush-Riggs Link
CNN: Bank fined $25 million in terrorism probe
A Washington Bank, A Global Mess (Riggs Bank, the GOP and Terrorism)


There's more I'll get back with
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #188
192. I forgot-Goldman Sachs: Trilats & Bilderberg & ABB!
Here's the dirt:

Some of the Western world's leading financiers and foreign policy strategists attend Bilderberg. Rumsfeld is an active Bilderberger. So is General Peter Sutherland from Ireland, a former European Union commissioner and chairman of Goldman Sachs and of BP. Rumsfeld and Sutherland served together in 2000 on the board of the Swedish/Swiss energy company ABB.

http://www.fact-index.com/b/bi/bilderberg_group.html

Good Lord! Now we've got a Goldman Sachs connection not only with A.Q. Khan's Nuclear Walmart, but also with Rumsfeld's North Korean shenanigans!



More on Peter Sutherland:

Trilats Hold War Rally

The Trilateral Commission has just completed its annual meeting in Washing ton, offering, as usual, clues to the program of its brother group, Bilderberg.



Exclusive to American Free Press

By James P. Tucker Jr.



Behind heavily-guarded doors at the Ritz Carl ton Hotel in Washington, the Trilateral Com mission exploited the “war on terrorism” to advance its common agenda with Bilderberg:

• Getting reluctant Europeans and Asians to support America’s planned war on Iraq;

• Persuade Israel to call off its invasion of Palestinian territories, partly in fear that Arab states will retaliate by cutting off oil to Western nations;

• More fully integrate the “global economy” to advance the goal of establishing the United Nations as a world government;

• Increasing “aid” to “less developed nations” (translation: more U.S. tax dollars to poor countries); and

• Further exploiting Red China’s huge market and cheap labor supply.

The common agenda with Bilderberg was demonstrated, as usual, by the presence of leaders of both groups, including David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger and Peter Sutherland, chairman of Goldman Sachs International and European chairman of the Trilateral Commission.

Bilderberg will meet May 30-June 2 at the Westfields Marriott luxury hotel in Chantilly, Va., near Washing ton’s Dulles Airport.

Vice President Dick Cheney gave the concluding Tri lateral speech on April 8. Cheney attended Tri lateral meetings as secretary of defense under President Bush the Elder, who was himself a Trilateralist.

Other luminaries included Madeleine Albright, secretary of state under Bill Clinton, who was himself a Trilateralist and Bilderberger. Richard Holbrooke, former UN ambassador, Strobe Talbott, former deputy secretary of state who predicts the end of sovereign nations, former House Speaker Tom Foley and Paul Volcker, former chair man of the Federal Reserve Board, also attended.

The war rally led off the serious business of the April 5-8 session after the opening evening was given over to a reception at the State Department.

Secretary of State Colin Powell and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld both addressed the subject of “Tri lateral Cooperation After Sept. 11.”

Both stressed the need for removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq by “whatever means necessary” and that “all options are on the table.” The morning war rally lasted three hours, until a noon lunch break.

“It could not be more clear that the United States is going to war with Iraq,” one Trilateralist told a colleague while reinforcing himself in the hotel’s bar and lounge. His colleague nodded, saying, “yes, it’s very clear.”

The Europeans appeared unenthusiastic but accepting of the U.S. determination to go to war. One suggested that the war must be concluded swiftly or risk losing support of the American people.

“But at the same time, they’re stressing that their war on terrorism will take years,” another said.

Former Secretary of State and accused war criminal Henry Kissinger addressed the subject “After 9-11: the International Order and Global Response.”

NATO, effectively the UN’s standing army, must also be strengthened and be prepared for “rapid deployment” to any trouble spot on Earth, Kissinger said.

Kissinger also echoed the internationalist doctrine that “eliminating poverty” is an essential weapon in the “war on terrorism” which was a lead-in for the dinner address by Ernesto Zedillo, former president of Mexico, on “the Challenge of Reducing Poverty and Financing Development in Less Developed Countries.”

WORLDWIDE HANDOUTS

Zedillo praised recent suggestions by President Bush that there should be more outright grants to poor nations instead of low interest loans, many of which are never repaid.

Ignoring the dangers of oversimplifying the complex reasons which produce terrorism, Zedillo said the world community must do more or poverty will be a breeding ground for terrorists.

However, terrorists typically act out of desperation under brutal conditions, not economic status. It is terribly naïve to believe the world community can simply pay off Palestinian suicide bombers to get them to stop.

This same reasoning—that poverty is the father of terrorism—was continued by Alan Greenspan, chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, in a session on “The State of the U.S. and World Economy.”

He said economic chaos in Japan and Argentina threatens to spill over and generate a global recession unless more help is forthcoming from the World Bank and International Monetary Fund—two of the major conduits for shipping U.S. tax dollars overseas

Greenspan called for strengthening and expanding the World Trade Organization and for Congress to grant Bush the power to negotiate the Free Trade Area of the Americas as the antidote.

Kim Kihwan, international adviser to Goldman Sachs, reported on “China in the International System” and forecast a larger role for the communist country in the years ahead, with more foreign investors exploiting cheap labor and poor working conditions there.

Goldman Sachs is always represented at Bilderberg meetings.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/Bilderberg/Trilats_Hold_War_Rally/trilats_hold_war_rally.html
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #192
197. "Help the poor" ? Why does that sound familiar- like Dimson. Say one thing
and do the exact opposite.

Did they learn from him, or he learned from them?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #197
201. HAHA! Like "Clear Skies"? Slavery is Freedom.
Perhaps the most Orwellian aspect of the Scomi-Cognis-Baroid axis is that it's all being done in the name of protecting our environment.

Here's the article you cited in thread 13. Doesn't it sound so conscientious and idealistic?

Scomi offers environ-friendly drilling fluids
6 June, 2003


Service specialist, Scomi Group Bhd, is offering multinational oil and gas companies a special fluid to make offshore drilling friendlier to the sea and its inhabitants. Scomi, together with German chemicals specialist, Cognis Gmbh, offers ester-based drilling fluid derived from palm kernel oil.


Scomi and Cognis claim that the latter’s biodegradable OMC 586 drilling ester is harmless to the marine ecosystem. “Unlike the non-biodegradable oil-based drilling fluids, the drilling ester can safely be discharged into the ocean without harming the marine ecosystem,” said Scomi director, Datuk Hamzah Bakar.


“Ester complies with all applicable environmental regulations without affecting drilling performances,” he said after signing the distribution agreement of the OMC 586 with Cognis in Kuala Lumpur. The agreement is between Scomi’s wholly-owned Kota Minerals & Chemicals Sdn Bhd (KMC) and Cognis’ 50%-owned unit, Cognis Oleochemicals (M) Sdn Bhd.


KMC provides products and services to the oil and gas industry. It is primarily involved in the provision of drilling fluids and related engineering services to the upstream sector. KMC has been involved in drilling activities for over 500 offshore wells locally, servicing major production sharing contractors such as Petronas Carigali, ExxonMobil Exploration & Production Malaysia Inc and Sarawak Shell Bhd/Sabah Shell Petroleum Co Ltd.


Hamzah, who is Chairman of KMC, said oil-based fluids with high aromatic content are detrimental to the environment unless special treatment is done on the waste produced. This will result in an increase in cost to the production sharing contractors like Petronas, Esso and Shell.


Cognis Executive Vice-President of Oleochemicals Division, Pierre Renaud, said it was the first company to do research and develop ester from renewable natural resources to complement synthetic drilling fluids. Cognis and Baroid (part of the Halliburton Group) now hold worldwide patents for ester-based drilling fluids.


“It is proven in various studies that vegetable-based esters exhibit an environmental performance superior to that of all other synthetic-based fluids.” Today, more than 600 wells have been drilled worldwide using ester-based systems since the early 1990s, Renaud added.


As Malaysia is the world’s leading producer of oil palm, it is truly amazing that the humble palm fruit has such a significant impact and role in the preservation of the environment.


“Cognis Oleochemicals Malaysia is a major production site for OMC esters, which are shipped to worldwide drilling locations,” Renaud said.


Cognis is a major producer of specialty chemicals with a turnover of 3 billion euros (1 euro = RM4.47) in 2002. Besides oleochemicals, it also produces care chemicals, nutrition and health, functional products and process chemicals.


http://www.mida.gov.my/beta/news/view_news.php?id=398
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #197
205. From a post by Ilsa almost a year ago
"is Bush the Antichrist? "



I ask myself that question almost daily, when I hear about some absurd revisionist explanation of why everything they do has to work backwards like Seinfeld in Bizarro World:

We have to cut down the forests to save them.
We have to bomb the Iraqis to protect them.
We have to restrict American freedom so we can protect liberty.
We have to protect the overseas outsourcing of jobs to create new jobs.
We have to save money on the war by privatizing and providing a profit.
I can't even lucidly convey the concept of how there were no Al Queda terrorists in Iraq until well after the US occupation of Iraq.

My head is spinning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=244761#244837
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #188
196. Ahem, am I wrong, or is Senator Corzine ex Honcho of Goldman
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 06:08 PM by Pallas180
Sachs? Cozine also of Bildergerg...and I forget, is Corzine also
Trilateral? (who spent an unheard of 60 million dollars in advertising (at that time) to get that Senate seat

We have to list the Americans involved in both organizations someplace
for easy reference.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #196
198. Yeah, what a DINO!
Corzine, I think, is not a useful idiot but as corrupt as they come.

Wasn't there a list on thread 14 that you made of Trilateral? I'll check.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #198
206. I'd say the administration started a fight with the wrong CIA
From Capitol Hill Blue


"Suspect in New Terror Alerts Fed U.S. False Info in 2002
An imprisoned terror suspect that the Bush administration says provided "vital" information that led to increased alerts in Washington, New York and New Jersey is the same suspect who provided false information that led to false alerts in 2002, angry intelligence officials say.

FU"BAR Aug 5, 2004, 06:15
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #198
207. I'd say the administration started a fight with the wrong CIA
From Capitol Hill Blue


"Suspect in New Terror Alerts Fed U.S. False Info in 2002
An imprisoned terror suspect that the Bush administration says provided "vital" information that led to increased alerts in Washington, New York and New Jersey is the same suspect who provided false information that led to false alerts in 2002, angry intelligence officials say.

FU"BAR Aug 5, 2004, 06:15
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:28 PM
Original message
I'd say the administration started a fight with the wrong CIA
From Capitol Hill Blue


"Suspect in New Terror Alerts Fed U.S. False Info in 2002
An imprisoned terror suspect that the Bush administration says provided "vital" information that led to increased alerts in Washington, New York and New Jersey is the same suspect who provided false information that led to false alerts in 2002, angry intelligence officials say.

FU"BAR Aug 5, 2004, 06:15
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:28 PM
Original message
oops
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 08:32 PM by Pallas180
my bad
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #198
208. dupe - scuse my
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 08:31 PM by Pallas180
stutter stutter stutter
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #198
209. dupe
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 08:30 PM by Pallas180
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #209
211. I tried googling Kissinger but
he is almost impossible..he has his fingers in everything.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #211
212. Yeah SHRABY - that's what we found- he's in every org & every biz
Edited on Fri Aug-06-04 12:08 AM by Pallas180
somewhere...and he's had 60 years in govt in one way or another , on commissions and advisors to presidents,,,pushing his own agenda, we now know,

and the business he does represent he keeps secret
which is why he refused to reveal them to be on the 911 commission

But Bechtel is one, Yugo and Milosevic were another...and for sure
CHINA is a big one.

I'm disgusted that every label you buy in a store is from China,
Vietnam, Pakistan, India, all the mnaufcturing of America has gone
there.

I'm getting an idea to make a movement.

STOP BUYING. (do any of us really need more clothes, more shoes, more
applicances?)

If we'd stop buying, we'd stop making the corpoations filthy rich on
profits while they pay 50 cents a day in third world countries...and
supposedly take our tax dollars to "build up" those countries.

I suspect the only thing being built with the tax dollars is their
factories.

I think that's what we need to do. STOP BUYING.

If America stops buying anything but necessities and refuses to buy
things made from China and the other countries, it throws the economy
into the pits.....but maybe they'll get the idea where the power is.

We have the power and the pocketbooks!

What do you think of that idea?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #212
215. It won't work cause there are too many
people who need to buy things out of necessity. Wants are one thing, but needs are another.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #215
219. People need food , shelter, heat - do we need 30 pairs of
Edited on Fri Aug-06-04 12:48 AM by Pallas180
jeans? or 180 dollar NIke sneakers that cost $3 to make.

The only way to stop them is financially.

They're making products with slave labor and selling it for 40 and
more times than it cost them - to the only stupids who would buy it -
us.

Would China, or Vietnam ( I saw a Viet Nam label today) buy $180
pair of sneakers?

or $45 dollars for a badly made blouse?

I wonder what Kissinger has to do with Walmart? hmmmmm
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #198
213. RP - if no one minds I'd like to wait to start a new thread with your
outline of the Plame Cheney Halliburton Khan connections..

Even if we do the outline in two or threee sections as the start of
each thread....so I'm looking forward to your PM of the first part.

:bounce:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #213
214. And BTW - anyone have some more on Sibel?
:hi:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #214
216. A thought on Kissinger,
Edited on Fri Aug-06-04 12:34 AM by shraby
he's old now, who is his successor?

Nothing new on Sibel as far as I know. Since she named some names I'm sure something will pop up soon.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #216
217. Shraby, I think he's trained and sent others out all over govt. like
Bremmer was one of his, so is Lehman....who knows who else.

I'd love to get a list of associates of Carlyle..and their bios

We'd have the tie in then

I haven't figured out yet if Carlyle and Kissinger are in competition
of two branches of the same criminal One World Pnac take over all governments -plan.

Maybe it's friendly competition. On the way to taking over the world,
they don;t mind making billions.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #217
218. Did you know Colin Powell and Kissinger worked together under Nelson
Trilateral Rockefeller?

They're all tied up with each other financially and ideologically.

Wonder which side Jay Rockefeller is on.

It's confusing, cause they play the enemy of my enemy is my friend...
for a while - and then go back to their main cause.

What a den of vipers.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #218
220. Anyway, niters guys. tomorrow's another day. Hope
H20 is coming back soon. :)

:hi:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:33 AM
Response to Original message
222. Happy Friday Guys,Did yousee this: "Cheney Resume"
on Front page of DU - it'll tickle you - make ya happy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/08/06_resume.html


Resume of Vice President Dick Cheney to be Posted on Monster.Com

August 6, 2004
By Evelyn J. Pringle

Dick Cheney is too modest to list his past accomplishments as CEO of Halliburton on the White House Website, so I decided to give him a few pointers on writing a resume to submit to future employers when he leaves the White House in January 2005.

I would definitely keep the focus on three areas of expertise: (1) Setting up fraudulent tax havens to avoid paying US taxes; (2) Doing business with terrorist countries; and (3) Stonewalling criminal investigations without going to prison.

(1) How To Set Up Fraudulent Corporate Tax Havens

As CEO of Halliburton, Cheney did rack up a number of accomplishments. He increased Halliburton's offshore tax haven subsidiaries nearly 5-fold. The company currently has 143 subsidiaries, but only 36 are incorporated in the US. The other 107 are located in other countries. According to CitizenWorks.org, Halliburton is 8th on the Fortune 500 list of companies with the most offshore tax havens.

For tax purposes, a subsidiary is defined as a controlled foreign corporation if US shareholders own more than 50% of its voting stock, or more than 50% of the value of all its outstanding stock (directly, indirectly, or constructively) on any day of the year.

Here's how they work. Under the US tax code, American corporations must pay taxes on income earned in foreign countries. But if a company incorporates a subsidiary under the laws of a foreign nation, the subsidiary is not considered a US resident, it is considered a foreign citizen. This allows the US parent company to avoid paying US taxes on the subsidiary's income as long as the income is retained and reinvested outside the US.

So by filing a few incorporation papers and paying a small fee to a foreign government Halliburton can turn a subsidiary into a foreign corporation that can avoid paying any US income tax. Its that easy.

Overall, the tax saving generated by Halliburton's tax havens, and the correlative tax loss to American taxpayers, is enormous. For example, in 2002, Halliburton only paid $15 million of its $80 million tax bill (or 19%) to the US government. The remaining 81% went to foreign governments.

Bob McIntyre, the director of Citizens for Tax Justice, talks about tax havens engaging in complex deals to shelter their profits, "The more these companies can bounce things around offshore, the more profit that can be kept offshore and tax free," McIntyre says. "They shouldn't get away with it, but it is really hard to police."

This may be true, but I think Bob would agree that with Cheney in the VP office, Halliburton gets away with a lot more than other corporations do.

(2) How To Do Business With Terrorists

Cheney and Halliburton were a match made in heaven. Together they found ways to make money off of just about every known terrorist country on God's green earth, regardless of the strict US laws against it.

While Cheney was CEO, American companies were barred from doing business with Iran. So the company set up an address in the Cayman Islands. The TV news program 60 Minutes did an investigation of a subsidiary called Halliburton Products and Services, and discovered that the company had no office or employees. The only sign of the phantom company was a forwarding address to Houston, Texas.

The 60 Minutes reporter traveled to the Cayman Islands, went to the address listed for Halliburton Products, and found a building owned by a local bank and a bank employee who told him that when mail arrived for Halliburton Products, it was forwarded directly to Houston, Texas.

The company's luck might be running out because this particular subsidiary has recently come under new scrutiny. A grand jury is said to be examining whether it is truly independent and whether Halliburton violated federal sanctions by operating in Iran.

The LA Times explains that US companies are allowed to operate in Iran, but under strict guidelines requiring that their subsidiaries have a foreign registry, and no US employees, and that they act independently of the parent company. So in a nutshell, it boils down to whether Halliburton Products met those criteria.

The Treasury Department website details US sanctions that bar almost all trade with Iran, and says that, "No US person may approve or facilitate the entry into or performance of transactions or contracts with Iran by a foreign subsidiary of a US firm that the US person is precluded from performing directly. Similarly, no US person may facilitate such transactions by unaffiliated foreign persons," it says.

According to media reports, investigators are examining Halliburton documents dating back to 1997 - 1998 that relate to a Dubai based subsidiary that received several tender offers from Kala Ltd, which is a subsidiary of the National Iranian Oil Company. Investigators want to know whether the deals were completed and whether they were in violation of US sanctions against Iran.

So, is Halliburton worried? Apparently not. It has known since 2001, that the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) was conducting an investigation to determine whether the company violated the ban, and it still went right on doing business with Iran. In fact in 2003, Halliburton's subsidiary was used to sell $63 million worth of oil products to Iran.

Something must have turned up because the OFAC recently referred the matter over to the Justice Department for investigation, which in turn prompted the Justice Department to issue a subpoena that calls on Halliburton to provide documents relating to its business relationships with Iran. It will be interesting to see what information Halliburton turns over (if anything).

But this trading with the enemy is nothing new. While Cheney was CEO, Halliburton even used subsidiaries to make tens of millions of dollars off Iraq. According to UN records and industry executives quoted in the Washington Post, Halliburton held stakes in 2 firms that sold over $73 million in oil production equipment and spare parts to Iraq.

And yet, listen to what that pathological liar said when he running for VP and was interviewed on ABC's "This Week" on July 30 2000. "I had a firm policy that we wouldn't do anything in Iraq, even arrangements that were supposedly legal. We've not done any business in Iraq since U.N. sanction were imposed...," Cheney claimed. He really needs to get some help for that compulsive lying disorder. Its obviously out of control.

Halliburton has been doing business with known terrorists for years. Back in 1995, it was fined $3.8 million for doing business with Libya. The company sold tools to Libya that critics said could be used to trigger nuclear bombs. So be sure to keep in mind whenever Bush starts bragging about dismantling Libya's WMD program, that it was Halliburton that helped create it in the first place.

(3) How To Stonewall Investigations and Stay Out Of Prison

Halliburton is the all-time pro at fraudulent scams and war profiteering. And its top level executives are pros at stonewalling investigations and finding ways to stay out of prison.

Under Cheney's watch, the company was caught over-billing the government time and time again. In 1997, the GAO caught Halliburton charging $85.98 for a sheet of plywood that only cost $14.06. A 2000 follow-up investigation caught it charging tax payers for cleaning the exact same office space 4 times a day. So what happened to Halliburton as a result of these lengthily and expensive investigations? Nothing until 2002. Then it was fined $2 million for defrauding the government and that's it.

And nobody better think for one minute that the company has turned over a new leaf just because it was forced to pay a few million in fines. That is never going to happen. By now, I'm convinced that Halliburton estimates the cost of potential fines and lists them under "war profiteering expenses" when it submits the bid. Of course, that's if its even required to submit bid.

For example, as recently as January 2004, Halliburton employees were caught accepting $6.3 million in kickbacks from a Kuwaiti subcontractor. The company paid back the $6.3 million, said it fired the employees, and went right on as if nothing had ever happened.

In fact, the administration not only ignored the kickbacks, it gave Halliburton another $1.2 billion contract. Republican Congressman Tom Davis, Chairman of the House Committee on Government Reform, even said, "It's incomprehensible that the Administration could give Halliburton another billion-dollar contract without fully investigating such serious criminal wrongdoing." Well incomprehensible or not, it did.

Here's another good example of Halliburton officials stonewalling and avoiding prison. In May of 2003, Halliburton was forced to admit to the SEC that it had paid $2.4 million in bribes to officials of Nigeria's Federal Inland Revenue Service in 2001 and 2002 "to obtain favorable tax treatment."

Halliburton put all the blame on a couple of lowly employees and claimed that none of its senior officers were involved in the bribe. But as the Houston Chronicle pointed out, "left unanswered is how a 'low-level employee' could channel that much money from the company to the pockets of a corrupt official."

So what are they asking us to believe? That 2 employees took a brown paper bag to an ATM machine and made withdrawals of $2.4 million? Oh Please!

We are talking here about ripping off hundreds of millions of dollars from the US government (aka the taxpayers), and yet no matter how bad it gets, there are never any arrests.

In fact, the SEC might even end up letting the $2.4 million bribery case slide, because it has far bigger fish to fry. As of July 2004, the French, British, Nigerian and US governments are all investigating allegations that Halliburton and three other companies paid $180 million in bribes to Nigerian officials in exchange for a $6 billion contract to build a natural gas plant in Nigeria, while Cheney was CEO.

French police started the initial investigation into the matter way back in October, 2002. In June 2003, the chief prosecutor on the case believed that there was enough evidence to appoint anti-corruption judge, Renaud van Ruymbeke, to expand the investigation.

This second case is far more complicated because it involves an international consortium between Halliburton and three other companies from France, Italy, and Japan. Together, they formed the joint venture TSKJ, a company registered in Medeira, Portugal.

TSKJ was then awarded the $6 billion contract. But here's where it gets tricky for Halliburton because the alleged bribery payments were made through TSKJ, and Halliburton owns 25% of the company.

According to the Washington Post, "at the heart of the investigation is the question of whether those payments amounted to illegal commissions, or bribes, to Nigerian public officials." The payments were made during Cheney's tenure, and according to the Boson Globe, "If such payments were made and Cheney approved them, he could be guilty of violating the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act."

Ex-Halliburton consultant, Attorney Jeffrey Tesler, says that Cheney knew all about the bribes. Tesler testified under oath in May, 2004 that he made payments to Jack Stanley, while Stanley was president of Halliburton subsidiary KBR, and Tesler specifically said that Cheney approved the payments.

His testimony is backed up by banking records that show that at least $5 million in payments were wired to Stanley through a secret bank account in Zurich. Tesler also testified that he paid $350,000 to another Halliburton executive, William Chaudran, through a secret bank account on the isle of Jersey.

On June 18, 2004, Halliburton announced that it was cutting its ties with Jack Stanley. But there's good news for Stanley in France. Judge Ruymbeke is said to be offering him a deal if he implicates Cheney, and sources within the French legal system say that there is more than enough evidence to indict Cheney on charges of bribery, money laundering and misuse of corporate assets.

Its Definitely Time To Lawyer Up

Halliburton knows it's in big trouble with this case. Cheney might have pull in the US but not France. In February 2004, Halliburton hired Attorney James Doty, from (where else but) the Baker-Botts law firm.

Doty just happens to be the same attorney that Bush hired when he bought the Texas Rangers, and he was also general counsel to the SEC when it investigated Bush for insider trading while he was a director on the board of Harken Energy. What a tight-knit little group. I guess birds of a feather definitely do flock together.

Something I heard recently suddenly makes sense. Halliburton apparently purchased some kind of insurance policy to cover legal expenses that Cheney might incur as a direct result of problems arising from his employment with Halliburton. Now it becomes clear.

Well lets hope that's true and that they get Cheney a good attorney too, because the way things stand right now, he may very well be looking at criminal indictments for the some of the illegal activities he engaged in while CEO of Halliburton. With such a long history of corrupt business deals hanging over his head, its no wonder that he has heart trouble.

I bet Cheney longs for the good old days of Campaign 2000, when his only legal problems consisted of trying to hide drunk driving arrests, and worrying about whether, if elected Vice President, he could get into Canada since he was a two-time convicted criminal.











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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 12:18 PM
Response to Original message
223. Another FBI whistleblower (GLASS) silenced: Pakistani/Al Qaeda weapons
Check this out:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/randyglass.html

"June 12, 2001: Operation Diamondback, a sting operation called uncovering an attempt to buy weapons illegally for the Taliban, bin Laden and others, ends with a number of arrests. An Egyptian named Diaa Mohsen and a Pakistani named Mohammed Malik are arrested, and accused of attempting to buy Stinger missiles, nuclear weapon components and other sophisticated military weaponry for the Pakistani ISI. Malik appears to have had links to important Pakistani officials and Kashmiri terrorists, and Mohsen claims a connection to a man "who is very connected to the Taliban" and funded by bin Laden. Some other ISI agents came to Florida on several occasions to negotiate, but they escaped being arrested. They wanted to partially pay in heroin. One mentioned that the WTC would be destroyed (see July 14, 1999 and Early August 2001). These ISI agents said some of their purchases would go to the Taliban in Afghanistan and/or terrorists associated with bin Laden. Both Malik and Mohsen lived in Jersey City, New Jersey. A number of the people held by the US after 9/11, including possible al-Qaeda members Syed Gul Mohammad Shah and Mohammed Azmath (see September 11, 2001 (K)) are from the same Jersey City neighborhood. Mohsen pleads guilty after 9/11, "But remarkably, even though apparently willing to supply America's enemies with sophisticated weapons, even nuclear weapons technology, Mohsen was sentenced to just 30 months in prison." Malik's case appears to have been dropped, and reporters find him working in a store in Florida less than a year after the trial ended. Malik's court files remain completely sealed, and in Mohsen's court case prosecutors "removed references to Pakistan from public filings because of diplomatic concerns."

I don't know if you guys have started a new thread or not, but I found the PLAME thead on page 4.....we need to kick this baby, or start #17!!! (Holy moly! Can you believe we have gone through 16 threads....and more info still coming in!!??? Great work, DUers!!)

Anyway, this link is CHOCK FULL of the same types of shady deals and government cover ups we've been uncovering for the PLAME investigation. She (Plame) HAD TO KNOW all of this was going on!!

:kick::kick::kick:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #223
224. LOUDSUE - thanks - pretty incredible - US govt aiding and abetting
its enemies in the purchase of WMD to destroy America.

Bush mis-spoke today by telling the truth, very Freudian slip of the tongue " there is nothing we wont do to try destroy America....."

Sounds like your link is something RobertPaulsen could tie into his
Pakistani criminal investigations.

What is amazing is that we find this, the US government certainly has
found it -----and ???
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #224
225. If you haven't seen the Manchurian Candidate -
go see it.. We have been Manchurian Candidated, G-8'd and
One World Governmented.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #225
226. SUE - I'm kinda waiting to see if we can start thread #17 with
RobertPaulsen's outline of all that has gone before...

so when I hear from him....we'll know.

:hi:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #224
236. If you haven't read my reply to you upthread,
that's what I'm talking about, right there in your post.

"US govt aiding and abetting its enemies in the purchase of WMD to destroy America."

As H2O counseled us all to consider, why would such a thing be done? Who benefits from these actions?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 02:26 PM
Response to Original message
227. Dimson's Freudian Slips Yesterday & Today:
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we," Beezelbub of the Century 8/5/2004


"We’ve actually misnamed the 'War on Terror.' It ought to be 'The Struggle Against Ideological Extremists Who Do Not Believe In Free Societies Who Happen to Use Terror as a Weapon… To Try to Shake The Conscience of the Free World.'

Another quote from the Moron of the Century 8/6/2004
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #227
228. WOW - have you seen this part of Sibel Edmonds statements?
Repost of scottxyz RE: Sibel Edmonds



" Translation units are the frontline in gathering, translating, and disseminating intelligence. A warning in advance of the next terrorist attack may, and probably will, come in the form of a message or document in foreign language that will have to be translated. That message may be given to the translation unit headed and supervised by someone like Mike Feghali, who slows down, even stops, translations for the purpose of receiving budget increases for his department, who has participated in certain criminal activities and security breaches, and who has been engaged in covering up failures and criminal conducts within the department, so it may never be translated in time if ever. That message may go to Kevin Taskesen, or another unqualified translator; so it may never be translated correctly and be acted upon. That message may go to a sympathizer within the language department; so it may never be translated fully, if at all. That message may come to the attention of an agent of a foreign organization who works as a translator in the FBI translation department, who may choose to block it; so it may never get translated. If then an attack occurs, which could have been prevented by acting on information in that message, who will tell family members of the new terrorist attack victims that nothing more could have been done? There will be no excuse that we did not know, because we do know."

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0408/S00012.htm



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #228
230. Time Warner CNN chairman Dick Parsons. U have something to say to him?
"Time Warner Inc. chairman Dick Parsons Friday described Fox News Channel as "crazy people exchanging views," telling a group of minority journalists in Washington he felt that the channel and his own Cable News Network are two different services.

When asked by Univision Anchor Jorge Ramos why CNN was losing the ratings battle with Fox, he was not ready to concede that. He said that Fox was more like talk radio on TV, which meant that its viewers stayed longer because people tended to "come and sit down for an hour or two and listen to crazy people exchange views." CNN actually draws more viewers, he said, but said they were grazers who didn't stay long.

Parsons said he did not feel CNN was liberal, but instead has a bias for the truth. He conceded that journalists are often perceived as liberal because they tend to challenge the establishment. He did not make an overt comparison with Fox, but he did say that his news operation "does not give a corporate slant to its journalism. We don't tell them how to report."

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 03:58 PM
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229. Calling ROBERTPAULSEN - check yr mail RP - we're
looking for you. :)
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #229
232. a kick for indictments of criminals in the US govt.
:kick:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-04 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #232
233. The attacks on Kerrry are being financed by
Richard Mellon Scaiffe according to Boston Globe reporter Gina
Easton and Msnbc Keith Olbermann.

The same way Scaiffe financed the American Spectator to print
every libelous rumor and paid off State Troopers to lie about Clinton and was behind the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, Scaiffe, a proponent
of eugenics, by the way,has financed the Vets against Kerry book. It is being published by his company Regerney Publishing.

a google of him will be interesting.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #233
234. Riggs mess results in Oil Companies being Investigated
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41049-2004Aug4.html

Riggs Investigation Prompts Inquiry Into 3 Oil Firms

Federal regulators are probing at least three of the nation's largest oil companies -- Marathon Oil Corp., Amerada Hess Corp. and ChevronTexaco Corp. -- for possible violations of securities law prohibiting bribes to foreign government officials.

The Securities and Exchange Commission notified the companies of the probe by letter within the past two weeks, following the release of a Senate report that described transactions handled by Riggs Bank involving the oil companies and the dictator of Equatorial Guinea and his family, spokesmen for the companies confirmed yesterday.

A grand jury in the District is also investigating Riggs's handling of the Equatorial Guinea accounts.

The Senate inquiry, which included the report and a subsequent hearing, is part of a series of ongoing investigations by Congress, bank regulators and the Justice Department into Riggs Bank and its once-prestigious embassy banking division for long-standing violations of laws designed to prevent money laundering.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #234
237. US Govt. Aiding & Abetting Its Enemies
in the purchase of WMD around the world.


WHY?

What motivation?

Who benefits?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #234
242. See post #194
Riggs Bank
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #232
238. Neo Con Fukuyama knocks Bush, Rumseld,Rice
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #238
240. One more name in the mix
As an FYI, I ran across this article from 3/8/04 regarding the FBI's investigation of the Plame leak:

"...Justice Department officials had subpoenaed the phone records of Air Force One for several days in July before the Novak column ran. In addition, according to Newsday, officials subpoenaed records from the same time period of the White House Iraq Group, an internal task force created to strengthen the case for war made to Congress and the American public. In addition to Rove, prominent members of the task force included National Security Council deputy Stephen J. Hadley; I. Lewis Libby, chief of staff to Vice-President Dick Cheney; and former Assistant to the President for Legislative Affairs Nicholas E. Calio."

http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2004/03/waas-m-03-08.html

I googled Nicholas Calio, and he's now Senior Vice President of Global Goverment Affairs for Citigroup.

http://www.washingtonspeakers.com/speakers/speaker.cfm?SpeakerId=4375

I googled Citigroup and Carlyle - both companies were involved in an acquisition of a S. Korean bank.

http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/geo/news-2743.html

I don't think Calio's name was previously uncovered, it appears the FBI considers him a suspect in the leak because he was part of the WH Iraq group.


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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #240
241. Another cover blown -
Pakistan: U.S. Blew Undercover Operation
MSNBC

Friday 06 August 2004

Islamabad, Pakistan - The al-Qaida suspect named by U.S. officials as the source of information that led to this week's terrorist alerts was working undercover, Pakistani intelligence sources said Friday, putting an end to the sting operation and forcing Pakistan to hide the man in a secret location.

More here:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/080804Z.shtml
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #240
243. REB nice addition - it would appear that Fitzgerald is serious
if he's even subpoenaing AF 1 - wonder about cell phones? car phones?

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #240
244. REB nice addition - it would appear that Fitzgerald is serious
if he's even subpoenaing AF 1 - wonder about cell phones? car phones?

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 09:25 AM
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239. kick
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 12:48 PM
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245. This is beyond the "Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"-Peter
Sellers, if he were alive, couldn't match this with the Pink Panther

Bush & Ridge out a Pakistani undercover helping America....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5626850 /

"ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - The al-Qaida suspect named by U.S. officials as the source of information that led to this week’s terrorist alerts was working undercover, Pakistani intelligence sources said Friday, putting an end to the sting operation and forcing Pakistan to hide the man in a secret location.

Under pressure to justify the alerts in three Northeastern cities, U.S. officials confirmed a report by The New York Times that the man, Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan, was the source of the intelligence that led to the decision.

A Pakistani intelligence source told Reuters on Friday that Khan, who was arrested in Lahore secretly last month, had been actively cooperating with intelligence agents to help catch al-Qaida operatives when his name appeared in U.S. newspapers.

Monday evening, after Khan’s name appeared, Pakistani officials moved him to a secret location. “After his capture , he admitted being an al-Qaida member and agreed to send e-mails to his contacts,” a Pakistani intelligence source told Reuters. “He sent encoded e-mails and received encoded replies. He’s a great hacker, and even the U.S. agents said he was a computer whiz.”

The Times published a story Monday saying U.S. officials had disclosed that a man arrested in Pakistan was the source of the bulk of information leading to the security alerts. The Times identified him as Khan, although it did not say how it had learned his name. U.S. officials subsequently confirmed the name to other news organizations Monday morning. None of the reports mentioned that Khan was working under cover at the time, helping to catch al-Qaida suspects."


Uhhhm-- Should we be asking WHY ?

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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #245
246. It was intentional
Cheney is probably the head of al Qaida :)
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #246
248. REB -it's beginning to look like anything is possible !
(:
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #248
256. Same sentiments here n/t
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #245
247. The Waterman Paper has been published.....
This is the first mention on other sites, that I've run across:

NEW H2O Man: The Waterman Paper, Democratic Underground, July 24, 2004.
"This time line indicates that while the exposing of Plame's identity was a result of Wilson's op-ed, it was also part of a larger strategy that had been planned in VP Cheney's office since March 8....Exposing Plame put an immediate end to any activities that Plame was participating in at the time...'Furthermore, there is intense anger over the White House's revealing the identity of Plame, who may have been active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components'.... 'Only a very high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the payroll' of the CIA, an intelligence source told me'." (7/26)

http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/cheney.htm
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #247
249. Wow Reb - let's hope the faux media picks up the scent. n/t
.
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #247
250. What happened to H2O man by the way?
No posts on this thread. Is he on vacation?
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #250
252. Yes, that is my understanding.n/t
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #250
254. Hi DAVE, yep on vacation, should be back today,tomorrow.
:Hi:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #247
251. That Is So Encouraging!
Nice catch RebelYell. So encouraging to see the word spreading.

As for the Khan thing I think it's part and parcel of their strategy to keep people afraid. An they will do that, as well as cover their *sses, no matter the price or cost to our safety.

As for me I don't think their will be another attack in this country before the election. I think *ushco is playing into AQ's hands by producing fear and they (AQ) don't have to do anything to keep us on tether hooks. I can't help wondering if they've (AQ) haven't planted red herrings that intel falls for and then we get psychologically manipulated instead of being physically terrorized. The fear factor can be the same.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 02:55 PM
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253. Have you guys seen this from LBN?
Interesting article about how the "diplomacy" of the current admin is making no headway in Iran & NK aquiring nukes.


Diplomacy Fails to Slow Advance of Nuclear Arms
By DAVID E. SANGER

Published: August 8, 2004

KENNEBUNKPORT, Me., Aug. 7 - American intelligence officials and outside nuclear experts have concluded that the Bush administration's diplomatic efforts with European and Asian allies have barely slowed the nuclear weapons programs in Iran and North Korea over the past year, and that both have made significant progress.

In a tacit acknowledgment that the diplomatic initiatives with European and Asian allies have failed to slow the programs, several senior administration and intelligence officials say they are seeking ways to step up unspecified covert actions intended, in the words of one official, "to disrupt or delay as long as we can" Iran's efforts to develop a nuclear weapon.

But other experts, including former Clinton administration officials, caution that while covert efforts have been tried in the past, both the Iranian and North Korean programs are increasingly self-sufficient, largely thanks to the aid they received from the network built by Abdul Qadeer Khan, the former leader of the Pakistani bomb program. "It's a much harder thing to accomplish today," said one senior American intelligence official, "than it would have been in the 90's."

Mr. Khan has also worked against the Bush administration in North Korea. A new assessment of North Korea has come in one of three classified reports commissioned by the Bush administration earlier this year from the American intelligence community. Circulated last month, the report concluded that nearly 20 months of toughened sanctions, including terminating a major energy program, and several rounds of negotiations involving four of North Korea's most powerful neighbors have not slowed the North's efforts to develop plutonium weapons, and that a separate, parallel program to make weapons from highly enriched uranium was also moving forward, though more slowly.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/08/politics/08nuke.html?hp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x734999
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #253
255. Sounds like OSP propaganda to prepare Americans for war against
Edited on Sat Aug-07-04 04:14 PM by Pallas180
Iran. Of course no mention of how or who sold nuclear components
to Khan or Iran or Syrria who then sold them all over the middle east, right?

My take is that if these nutjobs think they're going to take on North
Korea, they'll be taking on big brother China right behind North Korea as they did in Vietnam.

Notice, that press release came from Kennebunkport, Maine. Why, has
the White House moved to pappy's digs?

I'd like to see the generals march into the Pentagon and the WH and
put Rumsfeld dimson and Cheney under arrest. They certainly have enough reason to do it.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #255
257. CHB Has More on the Khan Matter

U.S. Screwed Pooch By Outing Its Own al Qaeda Mole

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #257
258. It's hard to believe, even with what we know, but WHY would
American officials want to tip off Al Queda they had been
infiltrated? ? ?

Heyzeus.

"The whole thing smacks of either incompetence or worse," said Tim Ripley, a security expert who writes for Jane's Defense publications. "You have to ask: what are they doing compromising a deep mole within al Qaeda, when it's so difficult to get these guys in there in the first place?"
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #258
259. Bumper sticker
Edited on Sat Aug-07-04 06:26 PM by Pallas180
oops - sorry, I liked the first one, didn't know they came as a group.




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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 06:59 PM
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260. This site and the Plame Indictments thread enhance each other:


also has Sibel Edmonds, Ashcroft gag order and more


http://www.septembereleventh.org/index.php


the word is spreading.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:03 PM
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261. NBC News tonight says Russert testified before grand jury.
Edited on Sat Aug-07-04 07:25 PM by TacticalPeak
From lancdem's post in LBN:

lancdem (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-07-04 06:02 PM
Original message
Just heard on NBC News that Russert testified before the Plame grand jury

Edited on Sat Aug-07-04 06:03 PM by lancdem

Anyone else see that? That means the judge ruled against the two news organizations that were resisting the subpoenas - one was NBC. I didn't catch all the details, but the anchor said he told the grand jury he didn't know who Plame was until Novak told him.

I think this means the investigation is very close to the end, because the journalists were the last holdouts.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x735419


:evilgrin:



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #261
262. Thanks Tactical. Russert is actually a pretty straight guy & a dem too,
if they called him, and the judge said the news organization had
to reveal, I would bet he did.

Novak not a target? He was asked by the CIA not to reveal her name.
How could he not be a target unless he cut a deal, or claimed the 5th?

Be that as it may I'm not so sure the investigation is at an end just because the reporters are called. Didn't we hear Fitzgerald was
recalling a lot of witnesses he had spoken to before?

I also can't imagine that Faux news and Isikoff weren't called.

Weren't there six reporters the WH called?

And finally, how is Madsen finding this stuff out?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #261
263. Yow!
Maybe things are finally beginning to heat up. Russert! Who knew? Bet he's glad now he wasn't the one who squealed And from everything that has been posted today it does seem as if "Scooter" is one of the ones in the cross hairs. I do also wish that there was a price, aside from karmicly, that Nofact has to pay for all the lives he may have harmed and all the good work he destroyed.

It does seem the admin has a habits of betraying agents. First Plame, then Khan. Who next?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #263
264. Concerning Fitzgerald:
Both Comey(asst. to Asscroft) and Fitzgerald are political appointees
of dimson. Louis Freeh recommended Fitzgerald for Chicago Justice Post.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/12/31/ashcroft_steps_aside_in_probe_into_cia_leak/


"Fitzgerald made his name with the prosecution of 12 men for a conspiracy that included the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. He also prosecuted four members of Al Qaeda charged in the 1998 bombings of two US embassies in Africa. All were convicted and got life in prison.

In September 2001, he became US attorney in Chicago on the recommendation of Senator Peter Fitzgerald, Republican of Illinois, who is no relation. The senator said he had asked then-FBI director Louis Freeh for the name of someone from outside Chicago who would be fully independent.

Patrick Fitzgerald immediately set a tough, aggressive tone. He told reporters he would never hesitate to file charges if he believed they were warranted, even if there was no assurance of a conviction.

"As long as we know that we're right," he said. In his new assignment, Fitzgerald will have broad authority but his powers will not extend as far as that of the now-expired post of independent counsel established after Watergate. While such counsels were much freer to expand the scope of their investigations -- which is how Starr was assigned to probe President Clinton's Whitewater land deal but ended up looking into the Monica Lewinsky affair -- Fitzgerald must limit himself to his defined jurisdiction.

In addition, while independent counsels would report only to a panel of judges, Fitzgerald will continue to answer to Justice Department officials. Comey emphasized that he has delegated all his decision making oversight to Fitzgerald, though he acknowledged he could revoke that authority if he wanted to do so"
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #264
265. Newsday reporter was called too, who is it?
"The Washington Post and the New York newspaper Newsday said this week that their reporters were asked to sit for questions in connection with the investigation but that they had not been formally subpoenaed..."
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #265
266. Nothing on nbc news website about Russert
:shrug:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #266
268. Reporters Questioned
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #268
270. thanks ME. n/t
.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 09:38 PM
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267. MUST READ - Minstrel Boy's list of 9/11 coincidences here:
Minstrel Boy's "Coincidence Theorist's Guide" be archived


It makes too good an email.


The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11

Since most of the arguments made here around the events of 9/11 are of the LIHOP/MIHOP variety, I thought I'd walk a mile in the coincidentalists' shoes, and lay out the argument for coincidence.
Happy coincidenting!

That intelligence agencies, politicians and terrorists have conducted criminal business together is well established, but BCCI and Iran/Contra were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash all that.

That Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a record setting $25 million is embarrassing, surely, but to draw sinister conclusions is foolish.

That Marvin Bush sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and Osama’s brother-in-law and al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just a one-in-a-million fluke.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is. That al Qaeda was active in Kosovo on the same side as NATO merely demonstrates that nothing is black and white.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members to receive training in the United States, are merely sour grapes because he was fired for making such wild accusations.

That so many in the Bush White House had expressed the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled means nothing more than being in the right place at the right time.

That in May of 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be a “can do” sort of guy.

That the standing order for shooting down hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, since the order was reversed shortly after 9/11.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear odd, but I’m sure there must have been a good reason for it.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s need for attention.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.

The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the world’s principal heroin producer is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistan’s ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn’t read anything about it in the official report.

George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 in the Oval Office, it’s true, but they were just old colleagues catching up.

That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill is a lucky twist of fate.

Newsweek’s report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it’s a small world, after all.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just one of those things.

That Hilliard’s plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal’s attorney before Seal’s murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions.

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so any profit-taking was merely coincidental.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, his driver's license and a video "how to fly planes" in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.

The very mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, is the vilest kind of anti-Semitism and should not be dignified with a response. That the stories were also reported in the Israeli media is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Jewish Left.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a life-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a tragic coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a newly-qualified substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.

That the black boxes were either never found or were unrecoverable was a first for these particular boxes, but there's a first time for everything.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ detailing the events of the day, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is just one of those things.

That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American safer to know their federal agents are on the ball.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.
Le Figaro’s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that two CIA agents met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama masterminded 9/11.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.

That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act only shows that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.

Sibel Edmonds is an attention-seeking nutcase. And since John Ashcroft has gagged her and classified her public testimony, we should speak no more of her.

But most of all, remember: there are no secrets, governments would never accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible.



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:07 PM
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269. Have a little Bilderberg anyone?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:24 PM
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271. Good evening!
You folks have been busy, eh? I even notice a few "deleted" messages. Well.

One correction: I've haven't actually been on "vacation" ....I was on a little errand .... but I'm back home now, on my day-to-day vacation! (grin)
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:39 PM
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272. Why H20 - How nice to "see" you ! How was your vacation?
:hi:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:46 PM
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273. H20 - pls look at "Cover Up of Treason " thread. One of the
Edited on Sat Aug-07-04 10:46 PM by Pallas180
wonderful people here, DIST22DEM, took your letter and made a professional printing of it - in color -. DU'ers are pretty thrilled
with it, it can be printed out, and many are "Dropaganding" it wherever they happen to visit.

Grassroots activity wasn't it what you sought? smile.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:55 PM
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275. Things are well here.....
Just looking through some of the posts on this thread. I found what remains of the deleted messages kind of interesting. I do not remember anyone putting a serious post about the possibility that Plame was involved in a "sting" regarding VP Cheney trying to move yellow cake to Iraq.....that sounds curious, to say the least.

I think that I have said that when Plame was exposed, a significant group of people who had dealings with her were likewise "exposed." I think that I have compared global politics to chess, where knocking off one player leads to larger gains two or three moves down the line. It's amazing that people can see exposing Plame as a vehicle to damaging Wilson, but not as a vehicle for damaging someone in, oh, perhaps Saudi Arabia, who had connections to Pakistan in the late 1980s and early '90s.

The idea of Cheney trying to set-up Saddam with Niger uranium seems a stretch ....
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 11:00 PM
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276. H20 - yes,regulars know - but Roy did not, and the correction of the mis-
Edited on Sat Aug-07-04 11:01 PM by Pallas180
direction is what caused numerous deletes of my answers and the Grid's
hostilities. And I do mean hostilities..

I've had enough of the Grid for one week. It was practically psycho. It was screaming shrill meme which could be heard through the thread.So, let's forget it and move on - yes?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 11:25 PM
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277. oh, yes......
I agree. I'm not sure why a couple people follow this thread, and on occassion try to stir the pot. There are plenty of other Plame threads, and if anyone is convinced that the group on here is way off course, they might do better to invest their time elsewhere. But it is too bad that it comes down to the hostile comments. But enough of that dull and dreary subject.

It looks like the administration realizes that they are in a bad position politically at this time. Kerry and Edwards are doing a wonderful job, as are so many of the top democrats across the country.

But more important is what you and others have noted on here: the grass-roots are active to a degree that I do not think our country has witnessed since WW2. Every 20 years, there are serious threats to democracy. Every generation, the Constitution is tested. And obviously, this country has some warts in its history. It has some now. But its a great Nation, and every generation, people have done what is necessary to protect constitutional democracy as our way of life. Every generation has stood up for the values expressed in the Bill of Rights, among many wonderful documents, and said to the enemies of our way of life, "No, not on our watch. We refuse to allow any force, foreign or domestic, to destroy our nation."

And that's what those beautiful young people who made up the Dean campaign were doing. God bless them. That was a fine example of the beauty of grass-roots democracy. That was the pulse of the constitution.

Do you remember the story about the sleeping giant? His house was on fire, and the towns people were in a panic. He was too big to fit through a window, and too heavy to carry through a door. The people thought he'd burn. But then a teen-ager said, "Just wake the giant up. He'll save himself." Which he did ...... and that's what those Dean people did. They woke up the sleeping giant. And that's the concept that we're trying to build on.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:30 AM
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281. Man, I'm getting a callus from my mouse wheel with these threads
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 05:50 AM by Snazzy
Maybe a similar calcium build-up in the gray matter from playing the connect the dots Bushco. scandal game.

Might take a couple of years of Kerry to flush the system.

Wanted to chime in with two other scandals (not really the right word, acts of treason for at least one, depth of corruption for the other), not necessarily related aside from their roots.

For one, and the most important today: the outing of the so-called Pakistani mole by this admin. You all are familiar with this by now, so I won't rehash.

But the story came out on Friday, skipped the vast majority of news, and in my judgment, all the powers that be are working hard at having a coherent strategy to explain it away on Monday, if indeed it grows any feet at all.

>> I urge you to use your efforts here to make sure the story is on the table, in the in-box today. Tie them together. They did it again.

It is the same tactic as Plame. That is "we don't care who we expose so long as it suits our politics," or something close to that. What happened? At the least, a source that could have been further exploited to give info on the embassy bombings, the Cole, 9/11, maybe Daniel Pearl, maybe some other things, and certainly future attacks, was shut down prematurely to justify getting Kerry off of the boob tube.

Who will die?

(But I also say "so-called", because the whole thing could be bs. Media attention to terrorism 24/7 is their goal. Helpful, but not necessary to see that there is, probably, a story beyond the two obvious ones. What they wanted the public to swallow, what we think we see when the story crumbled (if it crumbles), and the real deal, or add couple more levels of that sort of mind fuck and stir. They always have a fall back position, and if that means a little blood to make you a believer, all the better. Doesn't matter, don't get hung up on the real story, and especially don't get hung up on trying to explain it to most people. It fails. Fight them on the fake level--if that makes any sense. Hope so!)

That disclaimer said, academically: what happened here? Another operation has been blatantly undermined apparently. Maybe they said we got 51% or more take than we hoped for and decided to fuck everybody else. Send a message. (You guys were late with DNC timed product, July surprise, and someone leaked it). The general public won't care or notice, and they will spin away the political trouble, so they think.

2nd scandal is the money. It's not Wilson/Plame, directly anyway, and it's not really your focus here. But it is all around this and everything these assholes do. These threads started with a Watergate analogy to my recollection. If you really want the kind of decisive downfall that these guys deserve, if you really want to put them out of business no matter who is in office, I sure am convinced it's "follow the money."

I don't know that's germane to Plame. Maybe there are threads that get pulled (mattress tags removed--it's late!) in the Plame investigation and fallout if/when Fitzpatrick acts.

There's also an attention span problem that didn't exist circa Watergate. It may well be impossible--sure seems like it--to follow the money. But maybe that is exactly what we should make people remember and do, no matter how hard.

The money is all there is for these dipshits. And, thanks to massive irony, the Patriot Act just bust open a bank which links into so many major, ongoing for years and years, corrupt directions BFEE has foisted upon our democracy. The Riggs bank scandal links into Cheney and his energy meetings. It links into Enron. It links into Saudi funding of 9/11. It links into Jeb Bush transforming Florida into a fiefdom (and money laundering center). It's Pinochet. It is raping Africa. It's a black op bank, that's what it is, and not on the side of so-called angels either.

It's a wholly owned subsidiary of BFEE, soon to be disappeared, because they broke it. Then the opportunity is gone.

Nobody, even our guys, are digging this in the press.

I'm up to about 6 Pioneers, add John Snow, Tom Kean and more on fallout here. Just getting interesting because the oil co.'s are getting dragged in. And I think there is a sitting Grand Jury, you just don't hear a thing.

My message is attack from every direction, and yes, follow the money. It worked once just fine.

It's almost like they tried to time all the scandals to explode just after this November, but the clock moved just a little quicker than they expected.

G'night/morning/whatever!

----

EDIT: fix some stuff, sorry, didn't have time to write short post. Also this wasn't nec. directed at h20 or this subthread, but not a bad place to direct it I suppose. Cheers!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:50 PM
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274. We had a visitor from The GRID, which was slightly unpleasant
thus the MOD was kept busy.

Course if you had been here, you could have caught the slings and
arrows....(cackle, cackle) but instead I did my best to ignore them
which seemed to ignite further hostility.

Ah well...wouldn't it be nice if we were all sweetness and light.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 11:51 PM
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278. Saying Gnite Du'ers- H20 if you have something special for the next thread
to start with, please let me know.

I guess we'll start after 300.

Gnite all. Tomorrow's another day of Sunday morning talk shows :)
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:02 AM
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279. Kick for the 30th anniversary of Nixon's resignation!
Let's get thread #17 going! Let's blow America's mind!

:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:00 AM
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282. sounds good to me.....
and a happy anniversary it is.
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