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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:07 PM
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9/11 relatives sue bank in terror attacks - Riggs
Edited on Tue Sep-14-04 12:08 PM by seemslikeadream
Islander joins action accusing Washington's Riggs National Bank of aiding al-Qaida backers
Tuesday, September 14, 2004
By TERENCE J. KIVLAN

WASHINGTON -- Lawyers for Sept. 11 families suing the Saudis have filed a related class-action legal action accusing a major bank here of aiding financial backers of the al-Qaida terrorist group through negligence.

The bank, Riggs National Bank, was fined $25 million in May for failing to properly monitor millions of dollars in Saudi financial transactions, including withdrawals now being investigated for possible connections to terrorism.

The suit charged that Riggs officials "impeded the battle against terrorism and substantially contributed to the terrorists being permitted to evade detection."

Riggs has been under investigation since regulators reportedly traced the "charitable contributions" to the hijackers two years ago. Since then investigators have discovered tens of millions of dollars in questionable transactions at Riggs by Saudi diplomats.

more
http://www.silive.com/news/advance/index.ssf?/base/news...
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:24 PM
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1. MICHAEL C. RUPPERT CROSSING THE RUBICON
Edited on Tue Sep-14-04 12:30 PM by sattahipdeep
ADDRESS OF MICHAEL C. RUPPERT
FOR THE COMMONWEALTH CLUB SAN FRANCISCO
TUESDAY AUGUST 31, 2004

THE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE THE RESULT OF DELIBERATE PLANNING AND
ORCHESTRATED EFFORTS BY IDENTIFIABLE LEADERS WITHIN THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT, AND THE ENERGY AND FINANCIAL SECTORS, TO SEE A
PEARL HARBOR-LIKE ATTACK WHICH WOULD PROVIDE THE AMERICAN
EMPIRE WITH A PRETEXT FOR WAR, INVASION AND THE SEQUENTIAL
CONFISCATION OF OIL AND NATURAL GAS RESERVES, OR THE KEY
TRANSPORTATION ROUTES THROUGH WHICH THEY PASS. 9-11 WAS A
PREMEDITATED MURDER AND IN MY BOOK, AND HERE TONIGHT, I WILL
NAME SOME OF THE SUSPECTS WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME. IN MY
BOOK I WILL SHOW YOU OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF THEIR GUILT
WHICH I WOULD BE PROUD AND CONFIDENT TO PLACE EITHER BEFORE
A DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR A JURY.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf

http://WWW.FROMTHEWILDERNESS.COM /
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 07:12 PM
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15. Remotely Piloted Vehicle


Controlled Impact Demonstration; CID; Antimisting Kerosene; Boeing 720 Aircraft; FAA; Remotely Piloted Vehicle; test dummies; NASA Langley Research Center; Dryden Flight Research Facility; Dryden Flight Research Center

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/HTML/index.h...



:hi:
sattahipdeep

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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:09 PM
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19. I hear your voice and It keeps me hanging on~Thank you.
:hi:
seemslikeadream



Cause there's a lighthouse In the harbour
Shining faithfully Pouring its light out Across the water
For this sinking soul to see
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:53 PM
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23. Chapter 19 sattahipdeep
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:13 PM
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21. DEFINITELY READ
This speech by Ruppert, and download it for distribution.

Also, go to his site and purchase his book.
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 06:30 PM
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27. Absolute must-read. n/t
:kick:
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:24 PM
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2. Is this the lawsuit where James Baker is defending the Saudis?
If it is, there's a certain poetic symmetry in adding Riggs Bank to the mix, isn't there?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:27 PM
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3. 9-11 Profiteering: A Framework for Building the "Cui Bono?" UnAnswered
Questions by Catherine Austin Fitts
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FIT403A.html
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:35 PM
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4. Baker Botts
Edited on Tue Sep-14-04 12:40 PM by sattahipdeep
Baker Botts http://www.msnbc.com/news/901320.asp?0cv=KB10
representing one of the defendants, Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz,
the Saudi defense minister, in the 9/11 victims lawsuit.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/04/18_baker.ht...

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 01:55 PM
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5. Excellent news. This will directly link the Bush Crime Family to
the Saudis and the funding of terrorism.

Keep watching Mike Ruppert. He's got the names and the documentation.

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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:13 PM
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6. You mean the bank that Bush's uncle Jonathan was CEO on 9-11?
That one? Gee, isn't that special? Must be some more forged documents.

http://www.riggsbank.com/Discover_Riggs/may31_00.html
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:39 PM
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7. I had no idea...
Why am I not surprised?

Thanks for the link!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:46 PM
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8. Why was Bob Dole withdrawning $8000 in cash every week from Riggs?
Riggs Affair Sparks 'Suspicious Activity' Alert on Dole

Thursday September 2, 11:49 PM EDT

WASHINGTON -- The Riggs National Bank scandal has led to unexpected fallout, including "suspicious activity reports" on former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole and former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci, Friday's Wall Street Journal reported.

As often as once a week, Mr. Dole's assistant walks around the corner from his Pennsylvania Avenue office in Washington to a branch of Riggs Bank, where she withdraws as much as $8,000 in cash. For walking-around money, Mr. Dole keeps a wad of $100 bills in the breast pocket of his shirt. "I probably use a credit card four or five times a year," Mr. Dole confesses. "I don't even have a wallet."

Mr. Dole's affinity for cash was of no concern to anyone until recently, when federal regulators pawing through the books of scandal-tarred Riggs spotted the large withdrawals and called them to the attention of management. In short order, the bank filed "suspicious activity reports" on Mr. Dole and another prominent Washington figure, Mr. Carlucci, questioning whether the two men might have violated federal laws against money laundering.

The two aren't actually suspected by Riggs of wrongdoing, people familiar with the filings say. But the bank, a unit of Riggs National Corp. (RIGS), felt it had no choice but to file these reports because of the strict wording of the Bank Secrecy Act.

The reports are the latest strange fallout from the Riggs affair, which has reverberated through Washington in unexpected ways since the bank got into trouble with regulators this year for overlooking signs of suspicious activity by Saudi diplomats and foreign despots. The scandal has provoked a minor diplomatic crisis for the State and Treasury departments as Riggs, which has long had a lock on the diplomatic market in Washington, starts to shed all of its embassy accounts to get out from under a regulatory cloud and sell itself to PNC Financial Services Group Inc. (PNC).

more
http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?section=new...

:hi:
ElementaryPenguin
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 02:54 PM
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9. $416,000 cash per year for Doles walking-around money? Thats nice
Edited on Tue Sep-14-04 02:54 PM by NNN0LHI
This old fuck got a serious drug problem, or what?

Don

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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:01 PM
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10. Carlucci? You mean we've got a Carlyle Group angle on this as well?
Holy shit!
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 07:47 PM
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16. Speaking of Carlyle...
Edited on Tue Sep-14-04 07:49 PM by Carla in Ca


WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than:
Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)

I have a list of owners of major news outlets. Proof positive of RW slant. Dan Rather must have his bosses mad as hell.

on edit: here is great Riggs Bank Article.

<http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=2974 >
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 09:22 PM
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18. Yes speaking of Carlyle Carla in Ca
Thanks I hadn't seen that Carla in Ca

Take a look at this from the same site, more Carlyle

Nuclear Weapons Stealth Takeover


In 1995 dollars, according to the Department of Energy (DOE) the US spent approximately 300 billion dollars on nuclear weapons research, production, and testing. Today in the nuclear weapons complex there are 10,500 contaminated sites, 2.3 million acres under DOE ownership, and 120 million square feet of buildings. The 1995 high base cost, estimated by the DOE Environmental Management program, to clean up the environmental legacy is $350 billion. That excludes the Nevada Test Site, Hanford, the Savannah and Clinch rivers, and the Columbia river which are considered to be "national sacrifice zones" because the technology does not exist to clean them up.

.........

Admiral Brooks also informed the Board of Regents that "were back in the bomb business" because Los Alamos had just produced the first plutonium "pit" since Rocky Flats closed down. He indicated that they would be making "mini-nukes" only, and nuclear weapons testing would start at the Nevada Test Site in 2005. An hour later, and 45 miles away, he announced to Livermore employees that "were back in the bomb business" and they would be making big ones, little ones, and more. By this time it seemed to me that Admiral Brooks was a slippery character and I began to wonder why an Admiral was involved.

.......

As Admiral George P. Nanos, Director of the Los Alamos lab (appointed Jan. 2003), and Admiral S. Robert Foley Jr., UC vice president for laboratory management (appointed Nov. 2003), sat down at the table where the Regents waited, I began to wonder how many more Admirals were involved and why. It did not take long to find out. Admiral Foley informed the Regents about the missing CREM, computer storage devices with classified data, and acknowledged that the security lapse damaged the universitys chances of retaining its Los Alamos contract. "This erodes your position, without any question at all. Its about as bad as it could be when youre trying to prepare for a re-competition". He announced that Jack Killeen had been appointed to the UC Presidents Office as special assistant for Los Alamos security: "Jacks our guy, he was with Wackenhut and hes our guy". Among lab employees Wackenhut was better known for wacking lab whistleblowers like Karen Silkwood, attempting to run people like Dr. Rosalie Bertell off the road, and has a well-deserved reputation for being a nasty outfit. President Bush and his brother, Governor Jeb Bush, are known to spend time together hanging out with cronies at the Wackenhut "country club" in Florida. Admiral Nanos continued and complained that employees would not follow the security and safety rules. When Foley chimed in that there were going to be more security incidents and lapses at the lab in the future before they got it straightened out, it began to look like a setup. Regents Blum, Parsky, Connerly and a few more leaned forward and demanded to know how it was possible, and stated it was unacceptable, that there would be more security lapses. Foley should have been fired on the spot for falling down on the job. It was obvious that Nanos and Foley were there to blame the employees, justify the management change, and discourage the Regents from competing for the contract. And justification for "cleaning house" and removing the "old guard" who would stand in the way of a takeover and for what is planned for ramping up the program.

......

Right after the Regents meeting I contacted a group of students and a Texas State Representative Lon Burnam, opposed to the Univ. of Texas bid for the nuclear weapons management contract. A student told me about FIAT PAX, a website put together by UC Santa Cruz students listing the top 50 University recipients of defense funding for research (see below), and their ties to corporations (see below). The UC Regents with ties to the defense industry were listed with detailed bios. Parsky, the Chair, was the top fundraiser for Bush (after Ken Lay) in both Presidential election bids, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Vice Chair Blum was tied to the Carlyle Group, invested in URS Corporation (leading contractor with DOD), Korea First Bank , and sits on the Board of Northwest Airlines. Regent Lansing was a trustee of the RAND Graduate School, a branch of the RAND Corporation which had been involved in war-gaming nuclear wars between the US and the USSR, and acts as a bridge between US universities and the military. I also learned that the Carlyle Group managed large amounts of endowment funds for the University of Texas, and that CALPers, the State of California workers pension fund which is the largest in the nation owns 5.2% of Carlyle. FIAT PAX sums it up:

.......

His comments made the link for me between the nuclear weapons program, the Navy, NASA, and other types of directed energy weapons developed in nuclear weapons labs intended for space. Marion Fulk, a former Manhattan Project scientist and retired Livermore nuclear physical chemist told me that nuclear weapons cannot be used in space without contaminating the atmosphere, and laser weapons will not work because there is too much space trash already up there which will impede the effectiveness of the lasers. Wars in space will create more space trash until it is impossible to leave the earth, which already according to Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, is very dangerous now since a paint chip nearly took out the windshield of the space shuttle. The US plans to weaponize space are a violation of the United Nations 1967 Outer Space Treaty: Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies. The intent was "to promote international co-operation in the peaceful exploration and use of outer space" and specifically prohibited the weaponization of space with ANY weapons, including nuclear weapons.

........

under his leadership. SAIC is one of the largest private employee-owned corporations, and like the Carlyle Group, escapes scrutiny (because it is privately owned) despite annual revenues of more than $5.9 billion. In 1990 it was indicted and pled guilty to ten felony counts of fraud on a Superfund site, called "one of the largest of environmental fraud" in Los Angeles history. DOE contracted SAIC to manage and operate the Yucca Mountain Program, which I worked on as a scientist at the Livermore Lab. I became a whistleblower at Livermore in 1991 because of my knowledge of the extent of science fraud on the most important public works project in US history. SAICs control over internet domain names, gained when they purchased Network Solutions Inc., caused a furor and identified the ties in SAIC to "the shadow ruling-class within the Pentagon". Basically SAIC is a private spook corporation, involved in voting machines (SEQUOIA etc.), controlling the internet (Network Solutions), training foreign militaries, and the contractor that set up global communications for the US military. The internet is being changed from a public resource to a lucrative operation influenced by spooks and former Pentagon officials. The internet was a Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) project to begin with.

more
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=3323

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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:12 PM
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20. WOW. I think a good house cleaning is in order.
Too few own too much, don't you think?
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 08:34 PM
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17. HFS!
I missed this news, because of the hurricane here, I guess. Had no internet.

This explains why Dole has been acting so partisan and crazy! He looks really, really old, too. If * doesn't get re-elected, his activities might be up for scrutiny.

Withdrawals just under 10 grand, huh. :wow:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:25 PM
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42. I keep hoping to hear more about Dole and Carlucci and why they
needed so much "walking around" money...but aside from a blurb, it hasn't exactly been all over the media.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:08 PM
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11. Here's a good catch up thread on Riggs Bank
WaPo: Allbritton Loses Riggs Bank (front page, day 3)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Then there's this
Threads on Equatorial Guinea
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 03:28 PM
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12. Both Riggs and the Saudis had no comment
Monday September 13, 1:05 AM EDT

The boldest filing was the suit, which seeks class-action status, against
Riggs National Corp. (RIGS) and its banking unit. "Riggs' constant failure
to comply with banking oversight laws resulted in funds being forwarded
from high risk Saudi Embassy accounts at Riggs Bank to at least two
September 11 hijackers," the suit, drafted by the torts firm Motley Rice
of Mount Pleasant, S.C., alleges.

http://finance.myway.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=dji...
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 05:21 PM
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13. "Essentially meaningless"
Edited on Tue Sep-14-04 05:28 PM by sattahipdeep
Review at C.I.A. and Justice Brings No 9/11 Punishment
By DOUGLAS JEHL and ERIC LICHTBLAU

Published: September 14, 2004

Both reports have been eagerly awaited by members of the House and
Senate Intelligence Committees and by relatives of those killed on
Sept. 11, 2001. The families in particular have complained that government officials
have not been held accountable for mistakes that contributed to the attacks.

"Three thousand people were killed on 9/11, and no one has been held accountable,"
Kristen Breitweiser, whose husband died at the World Trade Center, said in an interview Monday.
Ms. Breitweiser said the intelligence overhaul now under discussion in Washington would be
essentially meaningless "unless you get rid of the people who were shown to be incompetent on 9/11."

But counterterrorism officials say that the problems were systemic and that it
would be foolhardy for survivors or lawmakers to hold individuals responsible
for broader organizational shortcomings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/politics/14intel.html




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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 05:34 PM
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14. Sibel Edmonds
2nd August 2004, 4:04 pm

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/archive/scoop/stories/eb/f...

Today, almost three years after 9/11, and more than two years
since this information has been confirmed and made available to
our government, the administrators in charge of language departments
of the FBI remain in their positions and in charge of the information
front lines of the FBIs Counter terrorism and Counterintelligence
efforts. Your report has omitted any reference to this most serious
issue, has foregone any accountability what so ever, and your recommendations
have refrained from addressing this issue, which when left un-addressed
will have even more serious consequences. This issue is systemic and
departmental. Why did your report choose to exclude this information
and this serious issue despite the evidence and briefings you received?
How can budget increases address and resolve this misconduct by mid-level
bureaucratic management? How can the addition of a new bureaucratic layer,
Intelligence Czar, in its cocoon removed from the action lines, address
and resolve this problem?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 11:49 PM
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22. kick for Uncle John
:kick:
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illiteratepresident Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 03:47 PM
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24. 9.11.04 the day the lie died
9/11 In Plane Sight

"Shocking - Thought provoking - Raises serious questions about the government's honesty in conducting the 9-11 investigation"
"Absolutely awesome. This is the one September 11 video that everyone should see."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6847.ht...
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illiteratepresident Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 03:48 PM
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25. more on this thread
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 03:54 PM
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26. Thanks illiteratepresident
but why don't I see that thread in LBN? Was it moved?
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illiteratepresident Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #26
40. this info has been deleted several times now

GWBush - "I saw the first plane crash on TV"
http://storage.testpad.net/freedomfiles.org/bush_saw_fi...

There was ONE known video http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1535000/video/_1538186_wt... made of the first plane hitting the WTC, and it was by a group of European documentarians working on a flick about NYC firemen.

It was not on live TV for the prez out in the hallway.

Either he is a Dumbass or he is a LIAR.

You decide.

April 8, 2004 - Condoleeza Rice before the 9/11 commission:
KEAN: I've got a question now I'd like to ask you. It was given to me by a number of members of the families.

Did you ever see or hear from the FBI, from the CIA, from any other intelligence agency, any memos or discussions or anything else between the time you got into office and 9/11 that talked about using planes as bombs?

RICE: Let me address this question because it has been on the table.

I think that concern about what I might have known or we might have known was provoked by some statements that I made in a press conference. I was in a press conference to try and describe the August 6th memo, which I've talked about here in my opening remarks and which I talked about with you in the private session.

And I said, at one point, that this was a historical memo, that it was -- it was not based on new threat information. And I said, "No one could have imagined them taking a plane, slamming it into the Pentagon' about the use of airplanes as weapons actually was never briefed to us.

I cannot tell you that there might not have been a report here or a report there that reached somebody in our midst.
http://www.bushcountry.org/news/apr_news_pages/n_040904... ce.htm
_______________________

Washington, D.C., Nov. 3, 2000 The fire and smoke from the downed passenger aircraft billows from the Pentagon courtyard. Defense Protective Services Police seal the crash sight. Army medics, nurses and doctors scramble to organize aid. An Arlington Fire Department chief dispatches his equipment to the affected areas.

Don Abbott, of Command Emergency Response Training, walks over to the Pentagon and extinguishes the flames. The Pentagon was a model and the "plane crash" was a simulated one.
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html


"An incredible coincidence..."

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day.
http://www.nlsi.net/hs-alc-info.htm
Founded in 1997, the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute is a training and technology center serving public safety and private security professionals, citizens, and various segments of government, business and industry.

"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-08-22-sept-11-...
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/2002-08-22/usw_plane...

Likewise, the major newsmedia virtually never mentioned this info. Yet, here it is, on UNIMPEACHABLE sites.

Are we to think war games taking place on 9/11 are somehow irrelevant to such an extent that that the 9/11 commission never even mentioned them? National Reconnaissance Office - mentioned on pages 103, 420, 425, 426, NONE haveing to do with planned plane crash by the CIA on 9/11.

Sorry, but that is a government cover-up, plain and simple. There is no other explanation. If you have one, I'd LOVE to hear it.


http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040914-042952...

the White House is classifying 50 percent more documents since 2001, making it more difficult to track what the government is doing


What made them fall?


"We have numerous people covered in dust from the secondary explosion..."

http://www.nbvfd3.org/audio/wtc03.mp3





Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.

A handful of Jersey City firemen, with a civilian dispatcher, managed to survive, grouping near the still-standing north tower.

Official: Deputy one from Battalion 3, that's affirmative. I have all JCFD personnel on location.
Dispatcher: Received.
Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
Dispatcher: Dispatch. Battalion 3.
Official: Battalion 3. I am, I am Greg. North tower has collapsed.
Dispatcher: Battalion 3, all members accounted for?

All, but for Joseph Lovero, his body was found near that of his chief.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html



http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/newsnight/attac...


http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.ht...

Dozens of hot spots were mapped. The hottest spots at the surface of the rubble, where abundant oxygen was available, showed a temperature of 1377 F (747 C). This is, however, less than half as hot at the molten steel in the basement.

Construction steel has an extremely high melting point of about 2,800 Fahrenheit (1535 Celsius). Kerosene-based jet fuel, paper, or the other combustibles normally found in the towers, cannot generate this much heat, especially in an oxygen-poor environment like a deep basement.

It should be noted that one of the few things capable of producing such extreme temperatures in these conditions is thermite, a chemical compound used in demolition explosives.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Damage in the lobby, 78 floors below where the plane just struck: http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/underground/lobby....

Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the south tower:

The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway


Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby:

We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped.


Ling Young was in her 78th floor office:

Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes...

NIST Tests Provide Fire Resistance Data on
World Trade Center Floor Systems

The Commerce Departments National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) recently reported that results from a series of four fire resistance tests conducted in August 2004 on composite concrete-steel trussed floor systems typical of those used in the World Trade Center (WTC) towers showed that the test structures were able to withstand standard fire conditions for between 45 minutes and two hours. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/ULTestResul...

Construction worker Phillip Morelli describes being thrown to the ground by two explosions while in the fourth subbasement of the North Tower. The first, which threw him to the ground and seemed to coincide with the plane crash, was followed by a larger blast that again threw him to the ground and this time blew out walls. He then made his way to the South Tower and was in the subbasement there when the second plane hit, again associated with a powerful underground blast. This is one of a series of interviews with WTC survivors done by NY1 News: http://ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html

Bush reaction when hearing about accusations of preknowledge in the 9/11 attacks
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/vide...


"Shocking - Thought provoking - Raises serious questions about the government's honesty in conducting the 9-11 investigation"

"Absolutely awesome. This is the one September 11 video that everyone should see."


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6847.ht...
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 05:11 PM
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28. AP: Lawmakers Seek to Prevent Another Riggs
(missed this yesterday)

Lawmakers Seek to Prevent Another Riggs


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Sep 16, 6:23 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - House and Senate members are proposing legislation to slow the revolving door carrying federal regulators into private banks, following revelations of the role played by a former U.S. examiner in the Riggs Bank affair.

The measures would mandate a one-year "cooling-off" period before a senior federal bank examiner could take a job with a bank or other financial institution he or she was overseeing.

The Justice Department is investigating Riggs' chief risk officer, R. Ashley Lee, a former bank examiner in the U.S. Office of the Comptroller of the Currency who oversaw Riggs during a period of deficient money-laundering controls.

Lee worked in the comptroller's office, a Treasury Department agency that oversees nationally chartered banks, from 1998 until he retired in October 2002 and went to work for Riggs two weeks later.

....

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040916/D85514UG0.html
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 05:49 PM
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29. CNN: Pinochet: U.S. urged to charge bank (by Spain)
Pinochet: U.S. urged to charge bank
By CNN Madrid Bureau Chief Al Goodman
Thursday, September 16, 2004 Posted: 2:01 PM EDT (1801 GMT)

MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- A Spanish judge has asked U.S. authorities to file criminal charges against a U.S. bank and seven senior executives for concealing millions of dollars belonging to former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet.

The 11-page court order by Judge Baltasar Garzon, who has investigated alleged abuses by Pinochet, also asks the United States to effectively freeze nearly $10.3 million at Riggs Bank in Washington, D.C., in the event the institution is held liable for damages.

Garzon's order on Thursday was in a response to a request filed with his court last July by Spanish attorney Juan Garces on behalf of many alleged victims of Pinochet's regime, from 1973 to 1990.

A court official told CNN that Garzon's order informs U.S. officials that if they do not act, a Spanish court will press charges of money laundering and concealing assets against the bank and the executives.

....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/16/spain.riggs /

(apparently we missed some important developments while DU was sluggish)

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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 05:55 PM
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31. Court reinstates Pinochet judge
Court reinstates Pinochet judge
From correspondents in Santiago, Chile
17sep04

AS doctors told General Augusto Pinochet to remain hospitalised for treatment of respiratory problems, a court today reinstated a judge seeking to try the former dictator on human rights charges.

...

Mr Guzman, a member of the same Santiago court, has been preparing to try Pinochet and had scheduled to question him, after the Supreme Court last month stripped the general of the immunity he enjoyed as former president.

Reinstated in the case after eight days, Mr Guzman will now have to wait for Pinochet to be released from the hospital to question him.

Mr Guzman is investigating the so-called "Operation Condor" - a plan by South American military dictatorships to eliminate dissidents.

....

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/...

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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 05:57 PM
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32. Pinochet "feels his end is near" amid hospitalization
Pinochet "feels his end is near" amid hospitalization

www.chinaview.cn 2004-09-18 04:47:07

SANTIAGO, Sept. 17 (Xinhuanet) -- Former Chilean President AugustoPinochet "feels he is living his final days", said Maximiliano Errazuriz, a right-wing legislator of the National Rennovation Party (RN) on Friday.

"According to information I have, he (Pinochet) would be saying farewell to his closest relatives and collaborators. He would be thanking them for all they did for him. The truth is, he feels the end is near," he explained.

Pinochet was hospitalized on Wednesday at noon suffering from arespiratory problem.

This hospitalization came in the middle of investigations against him over the case of the so-called Operation Condor, a scheme by the military regimes ruling some South American countries in the 1970s and 1980s to eliminate left-wing leaders.

Also, there is an investigation to determine the origin of Pinochet's account in Riggs Bank in the United States, as it is suspected this money might come from money laundering and tax evasion.


....

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-09/18/content_19...
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 05:59 PM
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33. Chile's Pinochet Leaves Hospital After Illness
Chile's Pinochet Leaves Hospital After Illness
Fri Sep 17, 2004 02:50 PM ET

SANTIAGO, Chile (Reuters) - Former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet left the hospital on Friday under strict security, two days after being admitted for an acute respiratory infection.

The 88-year-old retired general is the focus of two judicial investigations, one for human rights violations during his 1973-1990 rule and another related to multimillion-dollar offshore bank accounts that recently came to light.

Witnesses outside the military hospital in Santiago said Pinochet left the institution in a police-escorted convoy of vehicles, including one ambulance.

"He left at around 11 a.m. but we barely even saw him," one witness said.

....

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews...
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 06:05 PM
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34. LAT Editors: Throw the Book at Pinochet
September 17, 2004 E-mail story Print


EDITORIAL
Throw the Book at Pinochet

Times Headlines

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Throw the Book at Pinochet


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For more than three decades, Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the former Chilean dictator responsible for the death and disappearance of thousands of people, has successfully avoided being brought to justice. His impunity may finally be unraveling. A recent decision by the Chilean Supreme Court to lift Pinochet's immunity has helped raise reasonable hopes that the tyrant will finally go on trial.

Pinochet stands accused of conspiring with other South American dictators to eliminate political opponents through the infamous Operation Condor a secret plan created by five military regimes, with the tacit support of the U.S. government, to track and kill dissidents worldwide. One of the victims was former Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Letelier, who was assassinated in a 1976 car bombing in Washington.



Pinochet seized power through a military coup in 1973 and ruled Chile until 1990. Eight years later, he was arrested in London on a warrant issued by Spanish Judge Baltazar Garzn, charging him with genocide, terrorism and torture, including of Spanish citizens. Garzn asked for Pinochet's extradition to Spain but Britain returned him to Chile, ruling he was mentally unfit to stand trial. Pinochet was immune to prosecution in Chile, part of a deal that allowed him to become "senator for life" upon his leaving office in 1990. The Chilean Supreme Court might have stripped him of that immunity, but instead it went along with the British judges' decision that he was incompetent.

Ironically, it was the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that indirectly revived efforts to prosecute Pinochet. After 9/11, U.S. investigators began looking for secret bank accounts linked to Al Qaeda. In the process they came across an account at Riggs Bank in Washington that belonged to Pinochet, reportedly containing between $8 million and $10 million. Pinochet was actively managing this account, contradicting the notion that he was mentally incapacitated. Further, in November, the 88-year-old ex-dictator granted a television interview in Miami in which he came across as anything but senile. So the Chilean Supreme Court last month ended his immunity.

.... snip 2 more

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-pinochet17sep...
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 05:52 PM
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30. And don't miss this new WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Board meetings at Riggs were recorded.

Just keeping this stuff together....
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 06:41 PM
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35. Who says MIHOP is a crazy conspiracy theory?
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 01:35 PM
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43. people with brains
and those that looked at the evidence.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 06:43 PM
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36. Hey Kitty Kelly! What's on your cutting room floor? LOL
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:09 AM
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37. kicking
B-)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:02 PM
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38. kick for following the money
:kick:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:24 PM
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41. I was worried when Ron Motley took this case because he's from SC
and when I checked him out his past experience was with the Huge Tobacco Law case which he won. I got the impression he was a Carolina Good Ole Boy...and would probably drag his feet.

Hearing no more about the 9/11 suit which has been going on for over 2 years I believe, I gave up hope that anything would come from it. But, his filing this against Riggs at the deadline gives me hope that he's onto something.

Now if Fitzgerald would come through with some real zinger....well I'm probably dreaming here..
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