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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:35 AM
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Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
Lesley Stahl of CBS reported Friday that the FBI is about to "roll up" a spy working for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. "the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran. " The FBI investigation, headed up by Dave Szady, has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News was told document the passing of classified information from the mole, to the men at American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington, and on to the Israelis. CBS sources say that last year the suspected spy, described as a trusted analyst at the Pentagon, turned over a presidential directive on U.S. policy toward Iran while it was, "in the draft phase when U.S. policy-makers were still debating the policy."
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:40 AM
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1. I must admit that at least CBS is the one network where
at least they try to do investigative journalism

It does not surprise me that Viacom owns them and Comedy Central where the Daily Show is broadcast
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:42 AM
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Part 1 of an Interview with FBI Assistant Director Dave Szady


Let's start with the basics. What's counterintelligence?

It's much broader than just espionage--the traditional spy game. It also includes the protection of our critical national assets. And by that, I don't mean the bridges, the railroad stations, the nuclear plants. I mean things like our country's advanced technologies, its weapons systems, its military capacities--classified information and systems that are strategically important to our nation's well-being. Counterintelligence, or CI, also involves protecting trade secrets and guarding against operations or disinformation campaigns that would disadvantage the U.S.

What's the FBI's role in counterintelligence?

We're the lead agency for exposing, preventing, and investigating intelligence activities on U.S. soil. We run our own investigations and coordinate investigations of other agencies. Simply put, we're on point to protect the U.S. from intelligence threats within our country. We've also got the lead on cases overseas involving potential espionage.

Why is counterintelligence the FBI's #2 priority?

Because the threat is incredibly serious. It strikes at the heart of our national security--our political, military, and economic strengths; our position in the world; our future as a country. That's why only terrorism, with its threat of direct attacks and bombings and mass casualties, ranks above it.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:46 AM
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5. Exodus of senior agents creates FBI 'brain drain'
WASHINGTON -- Three months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, FBI Director Robert Mueller appointed four top deputies as part of a major restructuring aimed at snaring terrorists.

Two years later, all four of those executive assistant directors have left.

What's more, the division assigned to crack down on al-Qaida and other terrorist groups -- counterterrorism/counterintelligence -- has gone through three assistant directors in 14 months.

Since the al-Qaida attacks on New York and Washington, more than three dozen senior-level agents, assistant directors and section chiefs have left the bureau in what some agents are labeling "brain drain."

More are likely to follow over the next year because the current 197 senior agents have an average service time of 19 years and four months. That is just eight months shy of the 20 years of service required for agents to retire with full pension benefits
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NoMoreMrNiceGuy Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:44 AM
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3. No matter what ya thought about Perot he was right about...
foreign lobbyist.....they shouldn't be allowed. They certainly don't have our country's best interest at heart,of course,I think very few lobbyist even domestic ones have our country's best interest at heart but to allow foreign lobbyist is just idiotic.
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chromotone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:52 AM
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23. You got that right!
Seeing Michael Moore's "F9/11" was a real eye-opener.

I never realized how much the Bush Family kowtows to the Saudis until I saw that movie.

I left the theater wondering how many decisions made by both Bush I and Bush II were for the benefit of the Saudi Family at the expense of Americans...
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:44 PM
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41. "Hey Dude! Where's my Country?"
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:05 AM
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is foreign?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:56 PM
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92. Israeli PAC n/t
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:46 AM
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4. That organizational chart is scary.
Look at the vacancies on the right side. Just how long have they been vacant?...
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:48 AM
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6. "Shady" Dave investigates!!!!!!!
Couldn't get any better:

"The FBI inquiry is believed to involve two people who work at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israeli lobby in the US capital.

The investigation is headed by Dave Szady and has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News said documented the passing of classified information from the mole to the two AIPAC employees and onto the Israelis.",,3-1236157_2,00 ....

NB Szady is Polish-origin word...

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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:53 AM
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7. What's blackwater Whos Bremer What's Kissinger
Heres a thought....Krongard.

George Tenet knowing who had the "real power"?

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:55 AM
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8. We need to make this the BIG STORY OF THE WEEK
Lets do every thing we can to make sure this is the major headline for the week of the RNC

Check this thread here....
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:57 AM
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9. Spies in New Zealand back in July
New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark has suspended all high-level contacts with Israel after two Israelis suspected of being spies for the Mossad were jailed for trying to obtain a passport illegally.

The government said on Thursday that there were "very strong reasons" to suspect the two men were acting on behalf of Israel's intelligence services and froze all high-level official contact with Israel.

Clark said she would stop a planned visit by Israeli President Moshe Katsav in August. She also said Israeli officials would need visas to enter New Zealand and foreign ministry contacts would be suspended.

In an angry statement issued after an Auckland High Court on Thursday jailed the two men, Clark said that their actions had amounted to a breach of New Zealand's sovereignty."The New Zealand government views the act carried out by the Israeli intelligence agents as not only utterly unacceptable but also a breach of New Zealand sovereignty and international law," she said."Israeli agents caught in an unsuccessful assassination attempt in Jordan in 1997 were found to be carrying fraudulent Canadian passports," she said.

Clark pointed out that it was not the first time Israel had sought fraudulently to obtain passports from another country. The two men were arrested in March after police secretly followed them as they were arranging to pick up the passport.

A third man, identified as Zev William Barkan, was said by the defence to have masterminded the operation, but he left New Zealand before he could be arrested

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 09:59 AM
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10. David J Trachtenberg: "Charting a Path for US MIssile Defense"
Technical Policy Issues
Author Daniel Goure June 2000
"who attended working group meetings at which various issued related to NMD..."

David Trachtenberg son of US businessman and Robert Maxwell crook Larry Trachtenberg who is going bankrupt AGAIN with Kevin Maxwell, this time for 1billion (as opposed to 400 million when Robert Maxwell's Mirror Group of Newspapers collapsed in 1990/91):

Kevin Maxwell Faces Financial Waterloo As Deadlines Loom
Independent on Sunday, The 08/01/2004
Kevin Maxwell, the son of the disgraced newspaper tycoon, Robert, faces a financial meltdown this week. The High Court will hear an application on Wednesday to wind up Meynard Freres, the finance operation run by Mr Maxwell (pictured right), Malcolm Grumbridge, a long-time associate of the Maxwell family, and Larry Trachtenberg, an American-born financier who ran businesses for Robert Maxwell before his death in 1991. Both Mr Trachtenberg and Mr Maxwell were acquitted of fraud and theft offences relating to the disappearance of more than pounds 400m from the pension funds of companies in the Maxwell empire, which collapsed in late 1991.

Both Mr Trachtenberg and Mr Maxwell were acquitted of fraud and theft offences relating to the disappearance of more than pounds 400m from the pension funds of companies in the Maxwell empire, which collapsed in late 1991. Mr Maxwell was declared bankrupt when he was deemed responsible for the losses, but discharged his bankruptcy three years later. Mr Maxwell then set up a telecoms company, Telemonde, which was listed on the Nasdaq market in the US. However, this company, where Mr Trachtenberg was also a director, collapsed two years ago.
Since then, Mr Maxwell has been operating via Meynard Freres, a business he set up in the mid-1990s. It has been active doing financial and property deals. It was involved a few months ago in the purchase of the business and assets of Astec Engineering Services, a Midlands business that had run into difficulty and was restructuring under a company voluntary arrangement (CVA). The CVA was supervised by a north London insolvency practitioner, David Rubin. Mr Rubin presented a winding-up petition against Meynard Freres at the High Court on 24 June because of moneys still owning under the Astec deal. A hearing is due on Wednesday and if Meynard does not pay up it is likely to be closed down. No one at Meynard returned calls when contacted about the potential winding- up. Mr Maxwell faces being declared bankrupt before this happens. Judge Michael Payne at Oxford Crown Court gave him 45 days in the middle of June to pay a debt of pounds 1bn owing to a company called Global Investment. The grace was given to Mr Maxwell to allow him to sell assets to pay the money.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:05 AM
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11. ("I seek you")
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 10:28 AM by seemslikeadream
Among such entrepreneurs is David Gilo, an immigrant from Israel with dual American-Israeli citizenship, heads Vyyo Inc., a Silicon Valley telecommunications firm that sells "equipment that provides wireless, high-speed data connections to homes and businesses ... Gilo made headlines recently for his $100 million investment in Israeli start-ups, promoting Tel Aviv as the next Silicon Valley." David Shimmon's fortune is over $100 million, thanks to his investments in Kinetics Group, "a firm that makes equipment used in semiconductor manufacturing." Bernard Schwartz heads Loral Space and Communications (a prominent weapons firm that is branching out into telecommunications).

ICQ ("I seek you") was a firm founded in Tel Aviv, Israel, "the brainchild of four Israeli computer programmers ... it claimed the title of world's largest online communication network." Another Israeli computer company, StarBand, "is America's first consumer two-way, always-on, high-speed satellite Internet service provider."

< > Starband is part of the Israeli company Gilat Satellite Networks, Ltd.

MCI Internet already has its own lineup of Web programming and services, including e-mail. Beginning in January, it will offer all the MSN content for free to its customers, said David Trachtenberg, MCI director of brand marketing.

David Trachtenberg Weapons of Mass Destruction and Terrorism November 2002

David Trachtenberg, G'88, WG'88, was last year appointed executive director of brand marketing for MCI WorldCom, based in Washington, D.C.

David Trachtenberg of NationsBank received the award.

See also David Trachtenberg, 'Proliferation Requires Active U.S. Ballistic Missile Defense,' Defense News, vol. 8, No. 33, 23-29, 1993, pp. 23, 35.

He's with our boy Armitage here

counter-proliferation -- spokesman Navtej Sarna told reporters. The Indian delegation was led by S.K. Sharma, joint secretary for disarmament in the external affairs ministry. David Trachtenberg, principal deputy assistant secretary of defence in the U.S. State Department, led the U.S. side The first round of missile defence talks came in May 2001, when U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage visited India. A second round occurred a year later in Washington. The United States initiated talks with leading world players in 2001 after announcing it would pull out of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) treaty and set up its own missile defence system. In June, the United States formally withdrew from the treaty to develop an anti-missile defence system, prohibited under the treatment, which has been considered a cornerstone of post-Cold War defenceLast week, India test-fired a ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, drawing immediate condemnation from rival Pakistan and criticism from the international community
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:20 AM
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16. David Trachtenberg, CEO, Glowpoint (internet coms co)

What Is Star Band? David Trachtenberg Testimoney to Michigan House of Representatives...:

David Trachtenberg receiving an award for studying the Halachot of Hatzolah from Rabbi Chaim Yehuda Cohen
Hatzolah Israel, formerly known as Hatzolah Jerusalem, is a volunteer, non-profit Emergency Medical Service (EMS) that assists the victims of terrorism and other medical emergencies throughout Israel. Our service starts from the Golan in the North, and continues to Arad in the South of Israel - and most places in between. The primary role of Hatzolah volunteers - who are certified and trained by Magen David Adom (MDA) - is to provide a life saving bridge of medical care. Additionally, we are the fastest and only medical response team in Israel that works in coordination with Magen David Adom.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:08 AM
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12. This whole thing opens up a major can of worms
I bet there's a whole bunch of neocons, shreading their records, wiping their hard drive and closing bank accounts this weekend.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:19 AM
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14. good point and...
makes me wonder if this "top analyst" is on a plane right now.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:17 AM
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60. That's what worries me. Why was this info released now?
Doesn't reporting this article stop the investigation in its tracks?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:17 AM
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13. Did you catch this article seems?.....
This is just too much fun watching the pentagon sqwirm! LOL....They are toast!

FBI probing suspected Israeli spy in Pentagon
Top analyst may have passed secret papers on Iran

The notion of a trusted ally such as Israel betraying U.S. secrets would be a major embarrassment for the Bush administration, especially coming just before the start of the Republican convention next week.

The sources said the Pentagon aide being scrutinized also has ties to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who, with Feith, was a key architect of U.S. Iraq strategy. But the sources said there was no immediate evidence of information having been compromised.

The Pentagon sought to play down the importance of the information that might have been wrongfully passed to Israel.

"The investigation involves a single individual at DOD at the desk officer level, who was not in a position to have significant influence over U. S. policy," the Pentagon said late Friday, referring to the Department of Defense. "Nor could a foreign power be in a position to influence U.S. policy through this individual.''

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:24 AM
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17. Thanks leftchick
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 10:25 AM by seemslikeadream
this is starting to be down right enjoyable. There's no bigger story that ESPIONAGE!


not even swift boats
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:39 AM
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18. They should have known
You don't let friends, spy on friends.

It just wouldn't be prudent.

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:38 AM
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34. HA!
>>."The investigation involves a single individual at DOD at the desk officer level, who was not in a position to have significant influence over U. S. policy," the Pentagon said late Friday...

Except for the fact that the individual works at DOD, I'd say "Gee, that sounds like *".
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:20 AM
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15. The other interesting thing about this story
Is that AIPAC are getting chucked into the general public spotlight, which is unusual, if not totally undeserved.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this story upsets too many vested interests for it not to get 'spiked' in a sort of political way. But here's hoping I'm wrong, I usually am. ;-)

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:40 AM
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19. Remember the Israeli Art Students
How much you want to bet they were sponsored by AIPAC?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:44 AM
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Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 10:45 AM by seemslikeadream
Adding insult to injury, neither the CIA nor FBI were happy that Israeli spies operating under the cover of Israeli "art students' and moving van operators, and who were picked up by federal agents and local "first responder" law enforcement officers before and after 911, were quickly deported by immigration officers before they could be fully interrogated. The penetration of FBI and other federal law enforcement data networks and databases by Israeli software and telecommunications companies working under U.S. government contracts has also left a bitter taste in the mouths of federal law enforcement and intelligence personnel.

So now, it is payback time. The recent arrest warrants issued by the Iraqi government for Ahmed and Salem Chalabi (Ahmed's for counterfeiting Iraqi dinars and Salem's for murdering an Iraqi Finance Ministry official) indicates that Shaw's instincts about the fraud engaged in by them and their neo-con friends in the Pentagon were right on the money. Let us ponder that news again: the lead prosecutor against Saddam Hussein murders an official of the Iraqi Finance Ministry - an individual that just may have known something about what happened to $1 billion in missing Iraqi revenues. The accused is a partner of an Israeli-U.S. lawyer who is a close colleague of leading neo-cons in the Pentagon (some of whom are also dual U.S.-Israeli citizens) and the nephew of a man who was supported bureaucratically by a former CIA Director (James Woolsey), financially by hundreds of millions of dollars from the budget of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and politically by a think tank (AEI) that includes the wife of the Vice President of the United States. Uncle Ahmed was also a personal guest of George W. and Laura Bush in the VIP box at the 2004 State of the Union address. The President and First Lady welcomed a person who now is now an accused criminal to America's State of the Union address, a person whose nephew is now an accused murderer! John Le Carre could not have come up with a better international thriller scenario.

The recent decision by the chief judge in the Plame leak to order NBC's Tim Russert to testify about just who it was at the White House that contacted him about Plame's identity, while troubling for First Amendment freedom of the press protections, is an indication that time is growing short for the leakers. Three months before a U.S. presidential election, that could be a crucial windfall for John Kerry and the Democratic Party.

more ...

DoD Statement on Jack Shaw and the Iraq Telecommunications Contract
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:50 AM
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22. This will lead to who was really behind 9-11
and it wasn't Osama bin Forgotten.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:26 AM
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31. More from that article
Winds of Change:Troubled Waters Ahead For the Neo Cons

Wayne Madsen

The neo-con attack on Shaw was predictable considering their previous attacks on Ambassador Joe Wilson, his wife Valerie Plame, former U.S. Central Command chief General Anthony Zinni, former counter-terrorism coordinator Richard Clarke, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, CIA counter-terrorism agent Michael Scheuer (the "anonymous" author of Imperial Hubris who has recently been gagged by the Bush administration), fired FBI translator Sibel Edmonds (who likely discovered a penetration by Israeli and other intelligence assets using the false flag of the Turkish American Council and who also has been gagged by the Bush administration), and all those who took on the global domination cabal. But Shaw showed incredible moxie. When he decided to investigate Pentagon Inspector General Reports that firms tied to Perle and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz were benefiting from windfall profit contracts in Iraq, Shaw decided to go to Iraq himself to find out what was going on. When Shaw was denied entry into Iraq by U.S. military officers (yes, a top level official of the Defense Department was denied access to Iraq by U.S. military personnel!), he decided to sneak into the country disguised as a Halliburton contractor. Using the cover of Cheney's old company to get the goods on Cheney's friends' illegal activities was yet another masterful stroke of genius by Shaw. But it also earned him the wrath of the neo-cons. They soon leaked a story to the Los Angeles Times claiming that Shaw actually snuck into Iraq to ensure that Qualcomm (on whose board sat a friend of Shaw's) was awarded a lucrative cell network contract.

But nothing could be further from the truth. Shaw, who worked for Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, represented the Old Guard Republican entity that in August 2003 set up shop in the Pentagon right under the noses of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith to investigate the neo-con cabal and their illegal contract deals. The entity, known as the International Armament and Technology Trade Directorate, was soon shut down as a result of neo-con pressure. Not to be deterred, Shaw continued his investigation of the neo-cons. Although the neo-cons told the Los Angeles Times that the FBI was investigating Shaw, the reverse was the case: the FBI was investigating the neo-cons, particularly Perle and Wolfowitz, for fraudulent activities involving Iraqi contracts. And in worse news for the neo-cons: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was giving the Inspector General's and Shaw's investigations a "wink and a nod" of approval.

The financial stakes for the Pentagon are high - the Iraqi CPA's Inspector General recently revealed that over $1 billion of Iraqi money was missing from the audit books on Iraqi contracts. For Shaw and the FBI, it was a matter of what they suspected for many years - that Perle, Wolfowitz, and their comrades were running entities that ensured favorable treatment for Israeli activities - whether they were business opportunities in a U.S.-occupied Arab country or protecting Israeli spies operating within the U.S. defense and intelligence establishments.

Shaw certainly must have recalled how, during the Reagan administration, an Israeli spy named Jonathan Pollard was able to steal massive amounts of sensitive U.S. intelligence over a long period of time and hand it over to his Israeli control officer, a dangerous and deadly agent provocateur named Rafael "Rafi" Eitan. That had disastrous effects on U.S. intelligence operations throughout the world because some of the documents were handed by the Israelis to the Soviets in return for letting more Soviet Jews emigrate to Israel.

more ...

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:32 AM
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32. and then there's this
The neo-cons hoped the focus of the election campaign would be Saddam Hussein's trial. Instead, it may be the trials of the Chalabis and potentially other members of the Iraqi National Congress, the entity that was nurtured by Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, and Woolsey. However, the Chalabis escaped from Iraq before they could be arrested. If they turn up in the United States or in a member country of the laughable "coalition of the willing," the Bush administration and the neo-cons will be caught between a virtual rock and a hard place. If they refuse to hand over the Chalabis, their true motives will be on display for the entire world to see. If they help to turn over the Chalabis, they will be in a position to rat out their neo-con friends on the fraud already discovered by Shaw, the IGs of the Pentagon and CPA, the FBI, and the CIA. The neo-cons should never have underestimated by the CIA. When the agency came under attack, its allies were able to marshal all their impressive resources, including Bush 41 confidants C. Boyden Gray, Brent Scowcroft, James Baker III and even George H. W. Bush himself. The conflict between father and son now rivals that found in any Shakespearean tragedy.

And the penetration of the Pentagon over the past three years by those with close connections to Likud interests cannot sit well with either former Reagan Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger or former National Security Agency (NSA) Director and CIA Deputy Director Bobby Ray Inman, who ordered a severing of U.S. intelligence sharing with Israel after the Pollard affair and other Israeli penetrations of NSA signals intelligence programs through joint Israeli-NSA/CIA communications and satellite intelligence projects known as DINDI and PYREX, respectively. Those contracts were eventually canceled after Israeli engineers used friendly and sympathetic U.S. contract engineers working for RCA and Bendix Field Engineering to obtain Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) intelligence on NSA and CIA operations in the Middle East and around the world, including technical details of how the NSA intercepted microwave communications and information on a classified satellite intelligence system called MAROON SHIELD. The fact that Ahmed Chalabi, an ally of Pollard's old friends in the Pentagon, was recently caught passing on NSA cryptologic intelligence to Iran on the agency's ability to crack Iranian diplomatic and military codes must have served as a painful reminder to Weinberger, Inman, and other U.S. intelligence veterans who remember the duplicity of the Israelis going as far back as the purposeful 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, an NSA surveillance ship. It also ensured that the Republican Old Guard would continue to coalesce into a united front to ensure the ultimate routing of the neo-cons from their party.

There may yet be a silver lining in the mess brought about by the neo-cons. In addition to possible indictments of Libby, Wolfowitz, and others for everything ranging from contract fraud, to disseminating - via an Italian con man named Rocco Martino (a close confidant of Iran-contra Manucher Ghorbanifar with whom Ledeen rekindled a relationship in the lead-up to the Iraq fiasco) - Niger government documents known to be false, and leaking the name of a covert CIA agent and her proprietary firm, there may be a settling of accounts with Israel over the involvement of it and its agents of influence in the various scams that prodded the U.S. into a war in Iraq. ...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:46 PM
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43. Promis software.........
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 01:47 PM by Joanne98
FTW, October 26, 2001 - 1300 PDT (UPDATED Nov. 16, 2001) - An October 16 FOX News report by correspondent Carl Cameron indicating that convicted spy, former FBI Agent Robert Hanssen, had provided a highly secret computer software program called Promis to Russian organized crime figures - who in turn reportedly sold it to Osama bin Laden - may signal a potential intelligence disaster for the United States. Admissions by the FBI and Justice in the FOX story that they have discontinued use of the software are most certainly a legal disaster for a government that has been engaged in a 16-year battle with the software's creator, William Hamilton, CEO of the Inslaw Corporation. Over those 16 years, in response to lawsuits filed by Hamilton charging that the government had stolen the software from Inslaw, the FBI, the CIA and the Department of Justice have denied, in court and under oath, ever using the software.

Bin Laden's reported possession of Promis software was clearly reported in a June 15, 2001 story by Washington Times reporter Jerry Seper. That story went unnoticed by the major media. In it Seper wrote, "The software delivered to the Russian handlers and later sent to bin Laden, according to sources, is believed to be an upgraded version of a program known as Promis - developed in the 1980s by a Washington firm, Inslaw, Inc., to give attorneys the ability to keep tabs on their caseloads. It would give bin Laden the ability to monitor U.S. efforts to track him down, federal law-enforcement officials say. It also gives him access to databases on specific targets of his choosing and the ability to monitor electronic-banking transactions, easing money-laundering operations for himself or others, according to sources."

In a series of excellent stories by The Times, and as confirmed by parts of the FOX broadcast, it appears that Hanssen, who was arrested in February, in order to escape the death penalty this summer, agreed to provide the FBI and other intelligence agencies with a full accounting of his sale of Promis overseas. Reports state that almost until the moment of his capture, Hanssen was charged with "repairing" and upgrading versions of the software used by Britain and Germany.

On October 17, two different spokespersons at the FBI's Office of Public Affairs told FTW, "The FBI has discontinued use of the Promis software." The spokespersons declined to give their names.

On October 24, Department of Justice spokesperson Loren Pfeifle declined to answer
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:44 AM
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20. Re: Counter intelligence: maybe this is misinformation story for
"Pentagon mole caught spying for Iran" - or Iranians like Ex-Shah's son Reza Pahlavi, a wannabe SHah in exile living in DC who would LOVE to be backed in a coup d'etat and return home...
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:56 AM
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24. Why is Josh Marshall, TPM, not writing on this?
Apparently he was working on this story with Rozen, whose blog of the topic has a link a naming the suspected spy as a fellow named Franklin.

But TPM is dominated by the Barnes tape...

I wonder if this was _the_ story he talked about before going on vacation that was supposed to turn D.C. on its head, why no comment from Josh?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:20 AM
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26. I have been wondering the same thing!
He's the one that started all the talk
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:24 AM
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28. Larry Franklin is also named by the Hebrew press
In Israel.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:17 AM
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62. Who is Larry Franklin?
The FBI is investigating whether a mid-level Pentagon official in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, Larry Franklin, passed classified material regarding internal policy deliberations on Iran to two staffers at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), who in turn provided the information to Israel.

Franklin, a colonel in the US Air Force Reserve, served in the past as an attache at the US embassy in Israel, one source told The Jerusalem Post.

A US Embassy spokesman in Tel Aviv said, "the Embassy has no comment on this issue."

Sources in Jerusalem said it is quite possible that Larry Franklin, the alleged Pentagon informant, met with AIPAC officials as part of routine conversations lobbyists always have with officials, but that it is inconceivable this is something that could be construed as espionage.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:46 PM
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38. Finally from Marshall - Iran
(August 28, 2004 -- 12:53 PM EDT // link // print)
I haven't yet been able to comment on the breaking news last night that the FBI is investigating whether an employee at the OSD, Larry Franklin, passed classified US government information to Israel. That is because my colleagues and I have a piece coming out on the subject which will, hopefully, be appearing later today in The Washington Monthly.

A few thoughts though about this story.

I'm told the evidence the FBI has on Franklin -- at least on the narrow facts of case -- is quite strong and involves wire tap information, though why a career DIA analyst like Franklin would allow himself to get tripped up on a phone call mystifies me.

The main focus thus far has been on the highly sensitive and troubling allegation that an ally, Israel, was spying on the United States or the recipient of classified information from a US government official.

However, I strongly suspect that as this story develops the bigger deal will be less the alleged recipient of the information, Israel, than the country that is the subject of the information, Iran.

I don't mean to imply that it's an either/or. It can very much be both. But the reportage thus far has understated the degree to which this is an Iran story -- it grows out of the simmering and unresolved administration battle over policy toward Iran.

-- Josh Marshall
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:05 PM
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39. Laura Rozen says
The FBI Investigation.

Key Update: Here's my latest thought on this: As I understand, Franklin wasn't motivated to pass the information to Aipac to give it to the Israelis. He wanted our own government to act. He wanted to get it to the NSC and the White House.

I'm not joking. From what I understand from my sources, Franklin was desperately trying to get the US government to act on this intelligence. Aipac was just a tool for getting influence in Washington and the White House.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:11 PM
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45. Now it's sounding like a ploy for Admin to rush to war in Iran........
which is really bad news and just the way the Repugs operate. If they want to do something they take the reason not to do it and turn it back to their own advantage. Set up Franklin in a "sting" operation, but make it sound like he has such frightening information about what Iran is planning to do, that he had to bypass our government and alert the Israeli Intilligence by informing Aipac. People get upset about this the media pushes it as a reason that we must bomb Iran and then move int to "mop up" and the OSP of Doug Feith and PNAC'ers get everything they want. Bush get's his Election Surprise and country votes to keep him because we are in a major war in the Middle East.

Josh Marshall's info up on his blog and Linda Rozen's article are giving me hives that this is what's going on.

Instead of this blowing open PNAC it's going to give them just what they want. So, it's bad for us, unless some "powers that be can stop them."

:-(.... :scared:

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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:24 AM
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63. Sounds very likely
Maybe the "investigation" is related to this:

In the wake of Iran's nearly 20 years of secret development of nuclear weapons and ongoing efforts to undermine the work of U.N. arms inspectors, Congress has passed legislation aimed at halting Tehran's nuclear program. The Senate unanimously passed a resolution condemning Iran's failure to adhere to International Atomic Energy Agency agreements and continuing efforts to develop a nuclear capability. This resolution (S. Con. Res. 81), introduced by Sens. Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Richard Lugar (R-IN), and Joseph Biden (D-DE), urges the U.N. Security Council "to address the threat to international peace and security posed by Iran's nuclear weapons program and take such action as may be necessary." Earlier this year, the House passed similar legislation calling upon signatories of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, including the United States, to use all appropriate means to deter, dissuade, and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Thank your Senators and House members for supporting these resolutions.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 02:25 AM
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64. I think Iran's nuclear issues are part of the U.S.'s concerns, but
Edited on Sun Aug-29-04 02:29 AM by Dover
let's not forget the enormous stakes that they are playing for too....oil and other resources, pipeline routes, as well as a foothold in a quickly developing Eurasia. Iran is a big competitor:

...Even before September 11, the US was using economic, political, and military assistance to gain toeholds in the eight former Soviet republics along Russias southern rim: Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan. Washingtons goals were, and remain, to tap the regions sizeable oil and gas resources and to prevent Russia from re-dominating its former territories.

Then along came September 11 and the war on terrorism (WOT). These provided Washington the perfect excuse to accelerate its penetration of the region.

Using the WOT as a cover, the US positioned troops or bases in Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, the Persian Gulf, and Iraq, with more on the way.

Incidentally, were the WOT really about terrorism, the US State Department would be lavishing praise on Armenia, which is the onlyyes, the onlycountry within a wide radius whose territory, citizens, and government have had no links whatsoever to Al Qaeda.


September 11 was also a windfall for the Bush administrations so-called neo-conservatives, a group of hard-line Jewish Americans that includes the Pentagons Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and Abram Shulsky. Their unspoken planwhich is at odds with American interests and valuesis for the US to defeat Israels enemies.

Neo-conservatives were behind President Bushs decision to invade Iraq, and have now pushed Iran and Syria into the White Houses gun sights. But whether for the WOT, oil and gas, the containment of Russia, or Israel, the fact is that the US is driving harder than ever into the Middle East, Caucasus, and Central Asia..
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 02:41 AM
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65. Al Qaeda
Israel has kept al Qaeda out also, much to their frustration. You seem to have forgotten that.

The world order is much In the US planning, but how much it has to gain in these areas is debatable.

If the UN were more a world government instead of a Muslim Bloc power puppet, it would help for strategic interests globally for all the nations.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 05:26 AM
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69. How has Israel helped us with Al Qaeda?
Iraq had no ties to it. Syria helped quite a bit but aipac pushed for sanctions on them anyway.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 08:46 AM
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71. Someone else is talking about Dov Zakheim
Also, Lou Dobbs, good ol' Lou -- first blowhard to make sure *Islamic* is in front of it when the word *terrorist* is uttered-- did a very curious piece last week, the title was something like "Do think tanks have too much influence?"

I almost fell off the couch but truly felt as if I were in bizarro world when he said the words "The Project for the New American Century"

Four years too late, Lou gets a clue.

In regard to PNAC, Rabbi Dov Zakheim, later appointed Pentagon Comptroller by Georgie-poo (May 2001, I think), was one of the authors of that remarkably prescient document "Rebuilding America's Defenses" that predicted that it would take a Pearl Harbor scaled attack to rally A-mur-cans 'round the PNAC agenda one year before the 9/11 attacks --que coincidence!

Here's even more of a coincidence- just before he took over so effectively (NOT) the finances of the Pentagon, Rabbi Dov was CEO of the intl. div. of a company called System Planning Corp.

It specializes in homeland security and includes systems that at the point Zakheim was there could remotely control planes, specifically in case of a hijacking.

Don't believe me, check it out for yourselves.

Posted by: Too early for this... at August 28, 2004 11:11 AM
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:14 AM
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80. Dov O'Peace touched Junior?
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ant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 06:01 PM
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52. the forged uranium documents
Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but the Marshall story that's supposed to appear in Washington Monthly is all about where those forged Niger documents came from.

Back on June 17th, I wrote that I and several colleagues were working on a story that might cause quite a stir in Washington when it was published. That story was (and is) about the origins of the forged Niger uranium documents. Since January my colleague Laura Rozen and I have been reporting on this story for an article that will appear in The Washington Monthly. Weve also been working in collaboration on this story with an American TV network.

I have been on the edge of my seat for a month now waiting for this goddamn story, and now I REALLY can't wait. LET US SEE IT ALREADY!!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:00 AM
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25. Which ones are the analysts?
Richard Lawless sounds appropriate :-)
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:24 AM
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27. who leaked this story and why would they do it now? This gives the
suspects time to leave the country...and/or...get rid of evidence.
I heard on Nightline that this guy worked in an office of 24 people..who worked for Doug Feith (sp) his identity is known among insiders...seems like the story is more to blow the investigation than to find him guilty of espionage.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:25 AM
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30. Yeah, the leak seems to give the spy time
I hope the investigators have plenty of
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:55 AM
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35. Mr Mann will learn his sentence on 10 September. hmmmmmmm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:01 PM
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36. When the rats start talkin'
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 12:10 PM by seemslikeadream
Thatcher in his jamies

oh and if only TeodoroObiang would have got on a plane like Aristide this all could have been avoided, maybe?
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:39 PM
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48. One Can Only Hope
Thatcher in chains

Mercenaries serving both Britain and Israel?

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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:25 AM
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29. The official is LARRY FRANKLIN
According to the Washington Post and the Hebrew press (Yediot Aharonot, Ma'ariv) in Israel.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:36 AM
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33. Anyone have a bio on him yet? n/t
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:07 PM
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37. Actually this really big, Supports Col. Karen Kwiatkowski's Story of O.S.P
Some key mistakes include the old AEI charge that I have something to do with LaRouche, that I didnt know where the OSP offices were located, that I left the Pentagon because I felt others had gotten promotions and I didnt, that I said Larry Franklin used his wheelchair-bound wife as a cover for gallivanting around the world on secret missions, and that I have a fringe ideology, among others. For the record, no on LaRouche, yes on the location of the OSP spaces, no on the promotion question (I never even stayed long enough to meet my first O-6 board), no on Larry Franklin and his wife and secret missions, and Im not sure on the "fringe ideology." Rubin never really explains what fringe ideology hes talking about.

I can only say with a high confidence that it isnt the same fringe ideology embraced by the National Review and the American Enterprise Institute these days.

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:37 PM
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40. Juan Cole has good analysis of AIPAC
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 02:33 PM by realFedUp
Saturday, Aug. 28
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 08:52 AM
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79. New spy scandal comes as major blow to Israel, AIPAC
WASHINGTON: Washington was rocked late last week by allegations that a Pentagon policy analyst on Iran, Laurence A. Franklin, had passed classified information to Israel through the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the leading pro-Israel lobby group in the US. He is also said to have had extensive meetings with Naor Gilon, head of the political department at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, and a specialist on Iran's nuclear weapons program.


Journalist Steven Green, a long-time observer of Israeli espionage efforts in the United States, told the Daily Star that he had spoken extensively with individuals involved in the investigation, and that "I know from personal experience that its scope is much wider in terms of the targets than we have been told so far." He said that more senior officials than Franklin "should be extremely nervous about this." Green speculated that the scandal might involve exchanges of information between "sophisticates in the intelligence communities of Israel and Iran at the expense of the United States. ... There is a possible quid-pro-quo involved in Iran receiving US intelligence codes through the neocon favorite Ahmed Chalabi and the Israelis getting our latest thinking on Iran's nuclear program. ...You can see how that would benefit both parties, but not the US."

USA Today reported Monday that law enforcement officials said "there may be some crossover" between the Franklin and Chalabi investigations.


The investigation of Franklin appears to have been sparked by unauthorized meetings he helped set up between US officials and Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iranian arms-dealer who played a central role in the Iran-Contra affair in the 1980s in which the US supplied Iran with missiles through Israel. Franklin and his superiors are understood to have helped arrange for the unauthorized meetings with Ghorbanifar, according to some analysts in order to sabotage an agreement between the White House and Iran to exchange Mujahideen-e Khalq prisoners captured by the US in Iraq for Al-Qaeda suspects in Iranian custody. Ghorbanifar allegedly provided highly suspect allegations that Iraq had transferred nuclear materiel to Iran.
Vest, whose work has covered some of Franklin's activities in the past, said "Franklin is not an unfamiliar figure to those of us who have been covering these issues, yet he is still somewhat enigmatic. He is known to be a career intelligence analyst who apparently specializes in Iran, but it is very difficult to find anyone in intelligence and policy circles who can describe the highlights of his career. The only thing for which he is well-known is that he was instrumental in setting up these bizarre meetings with Ghorbanifar."

James Bamford, a leading observer of the US intelligence community and author of the recent book "Pretext for War," said, "These allegations don't surprise me at all, since Franklin works for Feith, who is essentially a pro-Israel extremist. It certainly should encourage another look at the influence of Israel in the motivations for the Iraq war. Sharon was pushing the US very hard to go to war in August, 2002." Bamford added: "The neoconservatives surround themselves with people who are fanatically pro-Israel, and maybe they were too over confident, or felt that no one would notice or no one would care, or that they were running things so it wouldn't matter, but luckily the FBI is independent of the Pentagon." Bamford said it is significant that while the FBI had informed Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, it had not told Feith about the investigation.
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:22 AM
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83. Jaun has great background on this one (n/t)
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 07:32 PM
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56. I wonder if Karen will be interviewed more by press
this time around. She should watch her back...

find her writings on
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dqueue Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:44 PM
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42. digging...
is this our man? if so, it may make for interesting reading.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 03:37 PM
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50. Welcome dq
now there's some talk that this guy is
being thrown out there as bait...
I don't know if he wrote that book.
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dqueue Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:35 PM
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59. hmm
According to this thread, which cites the most recent WP article, it's Lawrence A. Franklin sitting at the center of the public investigation.

This is all interesting to see. I'm curious to see it play out.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:57 PM
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44. FBI probes DOD office:UPI
The FBI has intensified its investigation of senior members of what was formerly known as the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans on suspicion that one of them passed highly classified U.S. military information to the government of Israel, according to federal law enforcement officials.In some cases, colleagues, former associates and members of other government agencies have been interviewed as many as four times by teams of FBI agents, FBI officials told United Press International.

Two of the people interviewed are Bill Luti, former chief of OSP, and Harold Rhode of the Near East/South Asia office, according to participants in the investigation. The OSP, an intelligence unit, was set up by the No. 3 man in the Pentagon, Douglas Feith, undersecretary of defense for policy, according to retired Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who was a staffer in the office from June 2002 through March 2003.

Luti, a former Navy captain, switched to the Pentagon from Vice President Richard Cheney's staff, according to a congressional investigative memo.According to other congressional memos, Luti was made deputy undersecretary and reported directly to Feith.
Luti also presided over the NESA office that worked closely with OSP "with sometimes an interchangeable staff," according to one congressional memo described the OSP "as a loose group of acolytes and hired hands" for Cheney, and (Cheney's chief of staff) I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Feith -- all "performing a mixture of intelligence, planning and other unspecified operational duties in support of preordained policy."

According to Kwiatkowski, Luti was a "name-dropper, who often referred to deadlines and assignments coming from 'Scooter.'"Pentagon spokesman, Lt. Col Chris Conway, told UPI that neither Luti nor Rhode had been interviewed or polygraphed by the FBI nor had their bosses alerted them that they were the subjects of an investigation.
A federal law enforcement official was not surprised. He said, "Any target of an investigation is the last person we would talk to. The fact that subjects haven't been approached is part of normal investigative procedure."

Rhode, another prominent official of the NESA office, also works for the Office of Net Assessment, Pentagon officials said.
According to one federal law enforcement official, Rhode and Luti and other OSP officials have been frequently mentioned in FBI interviews, "chiefly the nature and extent of his contacts with Israel," according to federal law enforcement officials.A Pentagon spokesman said Rhode has been working for Net Assessment "for the last 10 years."
A former very senior CIA official told United Press International that Rhode recently had his security clearances lifted. In an e-mail to UPI, Rhode denied this. "I have never had my security clearances revoked or canceled."At least three former CIA officials told UPI that in 1998 Rhode had his clearances suspended, based on allegations he had given classified information to Israel.

In the same e-mail, Rhode denied this as well, adding: "Nor have I been informed that I am under any type of investigation."Two former senior U.S. intelligence officials also stated that Rhode is on administrative leave.However, Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Chris Conway said answering the question about whether or not Rhode is on administrative leave would violate the privacy act and therefore had no comment.The NESA/OSP office was located on the fourth floor of the Pentagon, D ring, 7th corridor, according to Kwiatkowski, the former staffer.

According to one former senior U.S. intelligence official who maintained excellent contacts with serving U.S. intelligence officials in the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad, "Rhode practically lived out of (Ahmad) Chalabi's office." This same source quoted the intelligence official with the CPA as saying, "Rhode was observed by CIA operatives as being constantly on his cell phone to Israel," and that the information that the intelligence officials overheard him passing to Israel was "mind-boggling," this source said.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:15 PM
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46. Can't get your link to UPI story to work? Have a better one? (n/t)
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:31 PM
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47. Try this one
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 03:49 PM
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51. Harold Rhode
seems to be their interest....
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:51 AM
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72. Harold Rhode is a BFEE version of Indiana Jones
The guy ties Ledeen and Ghorbanifar and Feith and Perle and all the traitors of Iran-Contra together to George Herbert Walker Bush, Poppy of the BFEE.

The Chalabi Affair... new names ... earlier cited by Kiatowski


The Crimes of Iran-ContraHave Never Ended

Washington's Chalabi nightmare (FBI grills Neocons; TREASON committed?)

Pricetag for US operations in Iraq to rise steeply: Wolfowitz
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 09:59 AM
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73. The Octafish, putting it all together
Edited on Sun Aug-29-04 10:00 AM by seemslikeadream
:toast: :headbang: :toast: :headbang: :toast: :headbang: :toast: :headbang: :toast: :headbang: :toast: :headbang: :toast:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 02:41 PM
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77. kick
for the kos.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 07:06 PM
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53. Did you see that Fieth had been fired for leaking to the Israelis?
...its near the bottom of the UPI article.

How did he manage to get a security clearance with that on his record?

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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 02:58 AM
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66. Mind boggling. WTF. Moony Times!
Former Counter terrorism Chief Vince Cannistraro confirmed that Feith was fired from the NSC for leaking classified data to Israel.

In 1982, Feith went to work for Pentagon official Richard Perle, according to Green and confirmed by U.S. intelligence sources.

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who an administration official described as having played a "large role in getting Feith" his current job, was working for the Arms Control and Disarmament agency in 1978 and was the subject of an investigation that alleged he had provided "a classified document on the proposed sale of U.S. weapons to an Arab government to an Israeli government official" via "an AIPAC intermediary," according to Green. The probe was eventually dropped. (Too bad for that)

In 1981, Wolfowitz, who was working as head of the State Department Policy Planning Staff, hired Ledeen as a Special Advisor, Green said.


Fuck Fuck, Greg Unger (House of Bush House of Saud) detailed how Israel was often used as an intermediary to do arms deals with Arab nations.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 03:16 PM
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49. Holy Crapola! Just saw a news segment on....
News World International. It was great and really got to the heart of Feith and his involvment in this. I think it is him with the direct line to Sharon and his buddies. I would love to see him in prison....
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 07:20 PM
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54. Wonder if this has anything to do with him resigning
Pentagon finance manager resigns
Thursday 11 March 2004

The Pentagon's chief financial officer has offered his resignation after overseeing a spiralling defence budget look set to hit $450 billion in 2005.Rabbi Dov Zakheim's refused to tell journalists the exact reason for his departure on Wednesday.However, he hinted that the task of controlling hundreds of billions of dollars in the Bush administration was exhausting."I'm leaving because I've served three very arduous years in this job." A former adjunct economics professor at New York's Yeshiva University, Rabbi Zakheim has spent more than 30 years working in various jobs at the Pentagon.

But he has also worked in private industry, specifically as a consultant to McDonnell Douglas and Boeing. "I'm leaving because I've served three very arduous years in this job"

Pentagon comptroller and chief financial officer
A conservative Republican who graduated from Jew's College in London in 1973, Zakheim first joined the Department of Defence in 1981 under former president Ronald Reagan. He was responsible for such tasks as preparing defence planning guidance for nuclear war.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 07:27 PM
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55. I've been thinking about Dov also cal04
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 07:30 PM by seemslikeadream
DoD Statement on Jack Shaw and the Iraq Telecommunications Contract


and then there's this

FBI espionage probe goes beyond Israeli allegations, sources say

By Warren P. Strobel
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - An FBI probe into the handling of highly classified material by Pentagon civilians is broader than previously reported, and goes well beyond allegations that a single mid-level analyst gave a top-secret Iran policy document to Israel, three sources familiar with the investigation said Saturday.

The probe, which has been going on for more than two years, also has focused on other civilians in the Secretary of Defense's office, said the sources, who spoke on condition they not be identified, but who have first-hand knowledge of the subject.

In addition, one said, FBI investigators in recent weeks have conducted interviews to determine whether Pentagon officials gave highly classified U.S. intelligence to a leading Iraqi exile group, the Iraqi National Congress, which may in turn have passed it on to Iran. INC leader Ahmed Chalabi has denied his group was involved in any wrongdoing.

The linkage, if any, between the two leak investigations, remains unclear.

But they both center on the office of Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, the Pentagon's No. 3 official.

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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 07:51 PM
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58. Seems just a little convenient that he left with no explanation
Rabbi Dov Zakheim's refused to tell journalists the exact reason for his departure on Wednesday.

As recently as the December 18, 2003 audit by GAO (General Accounting Office), the Pentagon's 'War on Iraq Scam' and other Information Technology (IT) Fraud yielded $1.6 billion in "losses," money "missing" and otherwise unaccounted for.

Zakheim, Orthodox, was one of President George W. Bush's close foreign policy advisers during the 2000 campaign, a group that many referred to at the time as the "Vulcans." He has held various government jobs in the past and came to his current job, as Pentagon chief financial officer, from a defense technology company, System Planning Corp.

Two decades ago, he angered Israeli and Jewish-American leaders when he led the opposition to the production of Israel's Lavi fighter plane. In 1996, he authored Flight of the Lavi: Inside a US-Israeli Crisis.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 08:34 AM
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78. Likewise! Sounds like Dove of Peace has been implicated
in a very clever counter-intelligence sting that has led to the heart of a Pentagon spying ring.

When Junior was selected at the end of 2000 the UK press made much of two things: ONE that the first thing he did was to throw out 50 Russian spies from DC which the UK press said were a cold-war throwback linked to unfinished biz viz Aldrich Ames and Bob Hanssen. TWO that his Iraq objecives were to complete Poppy's unfinished business but that his cabinet were split into "Doves" and "Hawks". Colon Bowel cited as biggest "Dove".....

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 07:40 PM
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57. If your working in OSP Pentagon Stateor CIA your wiretapped
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 07:41 PM by lovuian
Here is where the paranoia hits in all evil regimes

They all start not trusting each other and rightfully so because the only Law of Greed is get it fast Get as much as you can

Pentagon budget is like a Big cookie jar and everybody is stealing from it

But each entity wants more and more and now the Jar is running out of cookies

So the FBI is like Hitlers Gestapo making sure the underlings don't have their own agendas

Which they DO are we really surprised Greed breeds Greed
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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 03:15 AM
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67. Is Karl Rove
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 04:05 AM
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68. Spy probe could involve several Pentagon employees
Edited on Sun Aug-29-04 04:13 AM by seemslikeadream
WASHINGTON - An FBI investigation into the handling of highly classified material by Pentagon civilians is broader than previously reported and goes well beyond allegations that a mid-level analyst gave a top-secret Iran policy document to Israel, three sources familiar with the investigation said Saturday.

The investigation, which has been going on for more than two years, also has focused on other civilians in the secretary of defense's office, said the sources, who spoke on condition they not be identified, but who have firsthand knowledge of the subject.

But other sources said the FBI investigation is more wide-ranging than initial news reports suggested.

They said it has involved interviews of current and former officials at the White House, Pentagon and State Department.

A former Feith employee, Karen Kwiatkowski, has described how senior Israeli military officers were sometimes escorted to his Pentagon office without signing in as security regulations required.


FBI espionage probe extends past Israeli link, officials say
Ongoing case: Investigators have been focusing on civilians in the Department of Defense for more than two years
By Warren Strobel
Knight Ridder News Service
Douglas Feith

WASHINGTON - An FBI probe into the handling of highly classified material by Pentagon civilians is broader than previously reported, and goes well beyond allegations that a single midlevel analyst gave a top-secret Iran policy document to Israel, three sources familiar with the investigation said Saturday
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 08:00 AM
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70. When one hears about an investigation like this-it's very DEEP
Edited on Sun Aug-29-04 08:04 AM by bobthedrummer
coming after the sacrifice of the CIA/George Tenet as fall guy for all the OSP lies and treachery.

It's Feith himself, and a few of his inner circle pals that are into Dual Citizenship, BUT NOT OUR US CONSTITUTION :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :argh: :nuke:

On edit:the ME Peace plan was The Tenet Plan, folks.
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 10:22 AM
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74. Newsweek article /

And officials familiar with the case suggest that the political damage to Bush and the Pentagon may prove to be more serious than the damage to national security
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 10:49 AM
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:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:16 AM
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76. yes!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:54 AM
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81. The Bu$h administration, and everything connected to it, must be purged
from our government. We can't let these people get away with this.

I fully believe that if everyone politically connected to the Bu$h administration were given a fair trial, 3/4 of them would be convicted and sent to prison on one charge or another.

This administration is filthy.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:17 AM
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82. Spy Probe Scans Neocon-Israel Ties
The burgeoning scandal over claims that a Pentagon official passed highly classified secrets to a Zionist lobby group appears to be part of a much broader set of FBI and Pentagon investigations of close collaboration between prominent U.S. neoconservatives and Israel dating back some 30 years.

According to knowledgeable sources, who asked to not be identified, the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) has been intensively reviewing a series of past counter-intelligence probes that were started against several high-profile neocons but never followed up with prosecutions, to the great frustration of counterintelligence officers, in some cases.

Some of these past investigations involve top current officials, including Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz; Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith, whose office appears to be the focus of the most recently disclosed inquiry; and Richard Perle, who resigned as Defense Policy Board (DPB) chairman last year.

All three were the subject of a lengthy investigative story by Stephen Green published by in February. Green is the author of two books on U.S.-Israeli relations, including Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations with a Militant Israel, which relies heavily on interviews with former Pentagon and counterintelligence officials.

At the same time, another Pentagon office concerned with the transfer of sensitive military and dual-use technologies has been examining the acquisition, modification and sales of key hi-tech military equipment by Israel obtained from the United States, in some cases with the help of prominent neoconservatives who were then serving in the government.

Some of that equipment has been sold by Israel which in the last 20 years has become a top exporter of the world's most sophisticated hi-tech information and weapons technology or by Israeli middlemen, to Russia, China and other potential U.S. strategic rivals. Some of it has also found its way onto the black market, where terrorist groups possibly including al-Qaeda obtained bootlegged copies, according to these sources.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 05:14 PM
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84. Neocons revive Committee on the Present Danger
posted July 23, 2004, updated 12:00 p.m.

Neocons revive Committee on the Present Danger

Group aims at Islamic terrorism, but next move may be against foreign policy realists.

by Tom Regan |

It was first founded in 1950 to combat the "red menace" of communism. It came back in the mid-70s for another crack at the Soviet Union. Now a group of lawmakers, academics, and business people has relaunched the Committee on the Present Danger, specifically to fight "Islamic terrorism." Honorary chairmen, Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) and Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), along with former CIA director James Woolsey, announced the reorganization of the group at a press conference this week.
James Woolsey, a former CIA director, is chairman of the group, which he says in its third incarnation aims to combat what he calls "a totalitarian movement masquerading as a religion." "We understand very well that this time, the danger that we must address is a danger to the United States but also a danger to democracy and civil society throughout the world, and it is very much our hope to be of support and assistance to those who seek to bring democracy and civil society to the part of the world, the Middle East extended, to which this Islamist terror is now resonant in and generated from," he said.
In an article in The Washington Post jointly authored by Senators Lieberman and Kyl, entitled 'The Present Danger,' the two men say that Islamic terrorism had become the greatest danger to American freedom.

The Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks awoke all Americans to the capabilities and brutality of our new enemy, but today too many people are insufficiently aware of our enemy's evil worldwide designs, which include waging jihad against all Americans and re-establishing a totalitarian religious empire in the Middle East. The past struggle against communism differed in some ways from the current war against Islamist terrorism. But America's freedom and security, which each has aimed to undermine, are exactly the same.
Mr. Woolsey (who championed the idea in 2002 that the US was in World War IV with Islamic terrorism) and Lieberman, as well as many of the other members of the group, have been identified with the neoconservative movement that seeks to expand American power and influence primarily through military action. (Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz is the most prominent neoconservative currently serving in the Bush administration.) Kyl has strong ties to groups on the Christian right that support neoconservatives' foreign policies goals.

In a piece earlier this year Max Boot, who describes himself as one of those "dreaded neocons," argues that there is no such thing as a neoconservative "cabal" that controls US foreign policy. But Jim Lobe, a longtime critic of neoconservatism, writes in Foreign Policy in Focus that the majority of the group's members "have strongly helped lead the drive to war in Iraq and have long supported broadening President George W. Bush's 'war on terrorism' to include Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, as well."

The present danger: from cold war to war on terror
By Paul Rogers
Aug 26, 2004, 23:08

Now it has been revived, with the Soviet menace easily and smoothly replaced by Islamic terrorism. Once again it is a bipartisan group, comprising forty-one members drawn from Democrat and Republican ranks but with a strong presence of neo-conservative hawks. At its head is James Woolsey, the former CIA director who famously characterised the post-cold war predicament of the United States as a superpower that had slain the dragon but was now living in a jungle full of poisonous snakes <(see an earlier column in this series, The American army rethinks, July 2004)>. Its membership reads like a check-list of Washington conservative stalwarts: among them, Kenneth Adelman, Frank Gaffney, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Dov Zakheim and William Van Cleave.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:33 PM
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85. Spy Scandal's Roots are Deep
by Juan Cole
published by Informed Comment
Spy Scandal's Roots are Deep

Earlier, rumors swirled of an FBI investigation of how the Pentagon Office of Special Plans, set up by Doug Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, skewed intelligence on Iraq and may have illegally engaged in intelligence-gathering. In fact, that investigation was being conducted by the Senate Intelligence and House Judiciary Committee staffs, not by the FBI. They are also looking at the possibility that Pentagon employees pursued unauthorized contacts aimed at preparing the way for overthrowing the governments of Iran and Syria. This according to the Boston Globe:

' Senate Intelligence and House Judiciary Committee staff members say inquiries into the Near East and South Asia Affairs division have found preliminary evidence that some officials gathered questionable information on weapons of mass destruction from Iraqi exiles such as Ahmed Chalabi without proper authorization, which helped build President Bush's case for an invasion last year.

The investigators are also looking into a more serious concern: whether the office engaged in illegal activity by holding unauthorized meetings with foreign nationals to destablize Syria and Iran without the presidential approval required for covert operations, said one senior congressional investigator who has longtime experience in intelligence oversight. ' A pattern of illegal payments for such information is also at issue. Laura Rozen says she
has evidence that Pentagon officials asked that Manuchehr Ghorbanifar be paid for documents he provided.

By the way, I personally do not expect any dramatic developments from all these investigations. AIPAC has powerful protectors on Capitol Hill, and past charges that it was involved in espionage for Israel have always been buried. As for the Neocon cult in the Pentagon, even if they did something illegal, they will not suffer much because of it. Look at where the Iran-Contra criminals are, who subverted the US Constitution and stole arms from the Pentagon to sell illegally to Khomeini. One Iran-Contra figure, who lied to Congress, now serves in the National Security Council as the person in charge of the Israeli-Palestine issue. That is Elliot Abrams, who was pardoned by Bush the elder and now sets White House policy on among the more important issues affecting US relations with the Muslim world. Bush may as well have just appointed Ariel Sharon to advise him on how to deal with Ariel Sharon (though to be fair, Sharon is probably more pragmatic than and to the left of Abrams).

Moreover, if Sharon and AIPAC decide that they need the US government to take military action against Iran, it is likely that the US government will do so. They can mobilize the US evangelicals in favor of this step, putting enormous pressure on Congress and the executive. Many Iranian expatriates are extremely wealthy and well connected, and they want such military action. And, firms like Halliburton, which find work-arounds allowing them to make money in Iran (and did so when Dick Cheney was CEO), would love to get rid of the mullas so they could make the big bucks, and more straightforwardly. So it isn't that AIPAC can snap its fingers and make something happen in Washington. But it can put together powerful coalitions and leverage its influence through policy allies, which does tend to make things happen.


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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:08 PM
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86. after the convention, does this get coverage?
I know the Kobe Bryant trial died, the Smearboat is boomeranging, and the flag-waving convention is wearing thin. So, what are the whores going to cover next week? This? That this administration is so illegitimate they should be behind bars instead of running for another term? That the 2000 election was a coup? That everything you know is a lie?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 12:59 PM
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87. "Neo - CONNED!" By Ron Paul



July 10, 2003


The modern-day limited-government movement has been co-opted. The conservatives have failed in their effort to shrink the size of government. There has not been, nor will there soon be, a conservative revolution in Washington. Party control of the federal government has changed, but the inexorable growth in the size and scope of government has continued unabated. The liberal arguments for limited government in personal affairs and foreign military adventurism were never seriously considered as part of this revolution.

Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, whos really in charge? If the particular party in power makes little difference, whose policy is it that permits expanded government programs, increased spending, huge deficits, nation building and the pervasive invasion of our privacy, with fewer Fourth Amendment protections than ever before?

Someone is responsible, and its important that those of us who love liberty, and resent big-brother government, identify the philosophic supporters who have the most to say about the direction our country is going. If theyre wrongand I believe they arewe need to show it, alert the American people, and offer a more positive approach to government. However, this depends on whether the American people desire to live in a free society and reject the dangerous notion that we need a strong central government to take care of us from the cradle to the grave. Do the American people really believe its the governments responsibility to make us morally better and economically equal? Do we have a responsibility to police the world, while imposing our vision of good government on everyone else in the world with some form of utopian nation building? If not, and the contemporary enemies of liberty are exposed and rejected, then it behooves us to present an alternative philosophy that is morally superior and economically sound and provides a guide to world affairs to enhance peace and commerce.

One thing is certain: conservatives who worked and voted for less government in the Reagan years and welcomed the takeover of the U.S. Congress and the presidency in the 1990s and early 2000s were deceived. Soon they will realize that the goal of limited government has been dashed and that their views no longer matter.

The so-called conservative revolution of the past two decades has given us massive growth in government size, spending and regulations. Deficits are exploding and the national debt is now rising at greater than a half-trillion dollars per year. Taxes do not go downeven if we vote to lower them. They cant, as long as spending is increased, since all spending must be paid for one way or another. Both Presidents Reagan and the elder George Bush raised taxes directly. With this administration, so far, direct taxes have been reducedand they certainly should have beenbut it means little if spending increases and deficits rise.

When taxes are not raised to accommodate higher spending, the bills must be paid by either borrowing or printing new money. This is one reason why we conveniently have a generous Federal Reserve chairman who is willing to accommodate the Congress. With borrowing and inflating, the tax is delayed and distributed in a way that makes it difficult for those paying the tax to identify it. Like future generations and those on fixed incomes who suffer from rising prices, and those who lose jobs they certainly feel the consequences of economic dislocation that this process causes. Government spending is always a tax burden on the American people and is never equally or fairly distributed. The poor and low-middle income workers always suffer the most from the deceitful tax of inflation and borrowing.

Many present-day conservatives, who generally argue for less government and supported the Reagan/Gingrich/Bush takeover of the federal government, are now justifiably disillusioned. Although not a monolithic group, they wanted to shrink the size of government.

Early in our history, the advocates of limited, constitutional government recognized two important principles: the rule of law was crucial, and a constitutional government must derive just powers from the consent of the governed. It was understood that an explicit transfer of power to government could only occur with power rightfully and naturally endowed to each individual as a God-given right. Therefore, the powers that could be transferred would be limited to the purpose of protecting liberty. Unfortunately, in the last 100 years, the defense of liberty has been fragmented and shared by various groups, with some protecting civil liberties, others economic freedom, and a small diverse group arguing for a foreign policy of nonintervention.

The philosophy of freedom has had a tough go of it, and it was hoped that the renewed interest in limited government of the past two decades would revive an interest in reconstituting the freedom philosophy into something more consistent. Those who worked for the goal of limited government power believed the rhetoric of politicians who promised smaller government. Sometimes it was just plain sloppy thinking on their part, but at other times, they fell victim to a deliberate distortion of a concise limited-government philosophy by politicians who misled many into believing that we would see a rollback on government intrusiveness.

Yes, there was always a remnant who longed for truly limited government and maintained a belief in the rule of law, combined with a deep conviction that free people and a government bound by a Constitution were the most advantageous form of government. They recognized it as the only practical way for prosperity to be spread to the maximum number of people while promoting peace and security.

That remnantimperfect as it may have beenwas heard from in the elections of 1980 and 1994 and then achieved major victories in 2000 and 2002 when professed limited-government proponents took over the White House, the Senate and the House. However, the true believers in limited government are now shunned and laughed at. At the very least, they are ignoredexcept when they are used by the new leaders of the right, the new conservatives now in charge of the U.S. government.

The remnants instincts were correct, and the politicians placated them with talk of free markets, limited government, and a humble, non-nation-building foreign policy. However, little concern for civil liberties was expressed in this recent quest for less government. Yet, for an ultimate victory of achieving freedom, this must change. Interest in personal privacy and choices has generally remained outside the concern of many conservativesespecially with the great harm done by their support of the drug war. Even though some confusion has emerged over our foreign policy since the breakdown of the Soviet empire, its been a net benefit in getting some conservatives back on track with a less militaristic, interventionist foreign policy. Unfortunately, after 9-ll, the cause of liberty suffered a setback. As a result, millions of Americans voted for the less-than-perfect conservative revolution because they believed in the promises of the politicians.

Now theres mounting evidence to indicate exactly what happened to the revolution. Government is bigger than ever, and future commitments are overwhelming. Millions will soon become disenchanted with the new status quo delivered to the American people by the advocates of limited government and will find it to be just more of the old status quo. Victories for limited government have turned out to be hollow indeed.

Since the national debt is increasing at a rate greater than a half-trillion dollars per year, the debt limit was recently increased by an astounding $984 billion dollars. Total U.S. government obligations are $43 trillion, while the total net worth of U.S. households is about $40.6 trillion. The country is broke, but no one in Washington seems to notice or care. The philosophic and political commitment for both guns and butterand especially the expanding American empiremust be challenged. This is crucial for our survival.

In spite of the floundering economy, Congress and the Administration continue to take on new commitments in foreign aid, education, farming, medicine, multiple efforts at nation building, and preemptive wars around the world. Already were entrenched in Iraq and Afghanistan, with plans to soon add new trophies to our conquest. War talk abounds as to when Syria, Iran and North Korea will be attacked.

How did all this transpire? Why did the government do it? Why havent the people objected? How long will it go on before something is done? Does anyone care?

Will the euphoria of grand military victoriesagainst non-enemiesever be mellowed? Someday, we as a legislative body must face the reality of the dire situation in which we have allowed ourselves to become enmeshed. Hopefully, it will be soon!

We got here because ideas do have consequences. Bad ideas have bad consequences, and even the best of intentions have unintended consequences. We need to know exactly what the philosophic ideas were that drove us to this point; then, hopefully, reject them and decide on another set of intellectual parameters.

There is abundant evidence exposing those who drive our foreign policy justifying preemptive war. Those who scheme are proud of the achievements in usurping control over foreign policy. These are the neoconservatives of recent fame. Granted, they are talented and achieved a political victory that all policymakers must admire. But can freedom and the republic survive this takeover? That question should concern us.

Neoconservatives are obviously in positions of influence and are well-placed throughout our government and the media. An apathetic Congress put up little resistance and abdicated its responsibilities over foreign affairs. The electorate was easily influenced to join in the patriotic fervor supporting the military adventurism advocated by the neoconservatives.

The numbers of those who still hope for truly limited government diminished and had their concerns ignored these past 22 months, during the aftermath of 9-11. Members of Congress were easily influenced to publicly support any domestic policy or foreign military adventure that was supposed to help reduce the threat of a terrorist attack. Believers in limited government were harder to find. Political money, as usual, played a role in pressing Congress into supporting almost any proposal suggested by the neocons. This processwhere campaign dollars and lobbying efforts affect policyis hardly the domain of any single political party, and unfortunately, is the way of life in Washington.

There are many reasons why government continues to grow. It would be nave for anyone to expect otherwise. Since 9-11, protection of privacy, whether medical, personal or financial, has vanished. Free speech and the Fourth Amendment have been under constant attack. Higher welfare expenditures are endorsed by the leadership of both parties. Policing the world and nation-building issues are popular campaign targets, yet they are now standard operating procedures. Theres no sign that these programs will be slowed or reversed until either we are stopped by force overseas (which wont be soon) or we go broke and can no longer afford these grandiose plans for a world empire (which will probably come sooner than later.)

None of this happened by accident or coincidence. Precise philosophic ideas prompted certain individuals to gain influence to implement these plans. The neoconservativesa name they gave themselvesdiligently worked their way into positions of power and influence. They documented their goals, strategy and moral justification for all they hoped to accomplish. Above all else, they were not and are not conservatives dedicated to limited, constitutional government.

Neo-conservatism has been around for decades and, strangely, has connections to past generations as far back as Machiavelli. Modern-day neo-conservatism was introduced to us in the 1960s. It entails both a detailed strategy as well as a philosophy of government. The ideas of Teddy Roosevelt, and certainly Woodrow Wilson, were quite similar to many of the views of present-day neocons. Neocon spokesman Max Boot brags that what he advocates is hard Wilsonianism. In many ways, theres nothing neo about their views, and certainly nothing conservative. Yet they have been able to co-opt the conservative movement by advertising themselves as a new or modern form of conservatism.

More recently, the modern-day neocons have come from the far left, a group historically identified as former Trotskyites. Liberal, Christopher Hitchens, has recently officially joined the neocons, and it has been reported that he has already been to the White House as an ad hoc consultant. Many neocons now in positions of influence in Washington can trace their status back to Professor Leo Strauss of the University of Chicago. One of Strauss books was Thoughts on Machiavelli. This book was not a condemnation of Machiavellis philosophy. Paul Wolfowitz actually got his PhD under Strauss. Others closely associated with these views are Richard Perle, Eliot Abrams, Robert Kagan, and William Kristol. All are key players in designing our new strategy of preemptive war. Others include: Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute; former CIA Director James Woolsey; Bill Bennett of Book of Virtues fame; Frank Gaffney; Dick Cheney; and Donald Rumsfeld. There are just too many to mention who are philosophically or politically connected to the neocon philosophy in some varying degree.

The godfather of modern-day neo-conservatism is considered to be Irving Kristol, father of Bill Kristol, who set the stage in 1983 with his publication Reflections of a Neoconservative. In this book, Kristol also defends the traditional liberal position on welfare.

More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.

They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.

They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.

They accept the notion that the ends justify the meansthat hardball politics is a moral necessity.

They express no opposition to the welfare state.

They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.

They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.

They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.

They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.

They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill advised.

They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.

They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.

Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.

9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.

They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)

They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.

They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

Various organizations and publications over the last 30 years have played a significant role in the rise to power of the neoconservatives. It took plenty of money and commitment to produce the intellectual arguments needed to convince the many participants in the movement of its respectability.

It is no secretespecially after the rash of research and articles written about the neocons since our invasion of Iraqhow they gained influence and what organizations were used to promote their cause. Although for decades, they agitated for their beliefs through publications like The National Review, The Weekly Standard, The Public Interest, The Wall Street Journal, Commentary, and the New York Post, their views only gained momentum in the 1990s following the first Persian Gulf Warwhich still has not ended even with removal of Saddam Hussein. They became convinced that a much more militant approach to resolving all the conflicts in the Middle East was an absolute necessity, and they were determined to implement that policy.

In addition to publications, multiple think tanks and projects were created to promote their agenda. A product of the Bradley Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) led the neocon charge, but the real push for war came from the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) another organization helped by the Bradley Foundation. This occurred in 1998 and was chaired by Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol. They urged early on for war against Iraq, but were disappointed with the Clinton administration, which never followed through with its periodic bombings. Obviously, these bombings were motivated more by Clintons personal and political problems than a belief in the neocon agenda.

The election of 2000 changed all that. The Defense Policy Board, chaired by Richard Perle, played no small role in coordinating the various projects and think tanks, all determined to take us into war against Iraq. It wasnt too long before the dream of empire was brought closer to reality by the election of 2000 with Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld playing key roles in this accomplishment. The plan to promote an American greatness imperialistic foreign policy was now a distinct possibility. Iraq offered a great opportunity to prove their long-held theories. This opportunity was a consequence of the 9-11 disaster.

The money and views of Rupert Murdoch also played a key role in promoting the neocon views, as well as rallying support by the general population, through his News Corporation, which owns Fox News Network, the New York Post, and Weekly Standard. This powerful and influential media empire did more to galvanize public support for the Iraqi invasion than one might imagine. This facilitated the Rumsfeld/Cheney policy as their plans to attack Iraq came to fruition. It would have been difficult for the neocons to usurp foreign policy from the restraints of Colin Powells State Department without the successful agitation of the Rupert Murdoch empire. Max Boot was satisfied, as he explained: Neoconservatives believe in using American might to promote American ideals abroad. This attitude is a far cry from the advice of the Founders, who advocated no entangling alliances and neutrality as the proper goal of American foreign policy.

Let there be no doubt, those in the neocon camp had been anxious to go to war against Iraq for a decade. They justified the use of force to accomplish their goals, even if it required preemptive war. If anyone doubts this assertion, they need only to read of their strategy in A Clean Break: a New Strategy for Securing the Realm. Although they felt morally justified in changing the government in Iraq, they knew that public support was important, and justification had to be given to pursue the war. Of course, a threat to us had to exist before the people and the Congress would go along with war. The majority of Americans became convinced of this threat, which, in actuality, never really existed. Now we have the ongoing debate over the location of weapons of mass destruction. Where was the danger? Was all this killing and spending necessary? How long will this nation building and dying go on? When will we become more concerned about the needs of our own citizens than the problems we sought in Iraq and Afghanistan? Who knows where well go nextIran, Syria or North Korea?

At the end of the Cold War, the neoconservatives realized a rearrangement of the world was occurring and that our superior economic and military power offered them a perfect opportunity to control the process of remaking the Middle East.

It was recognized that a new era was upon us, and the neocons welcomed Frances Fukuyamas end of history declaration. To them, the debate was over. The West won; the Soviets lost. Old-fashioned communism was dead. Long live the new era of neoconservatism. The struggle may not be over, but the West won the intellectual fight, they reasoned. The only problem is that the neocons decided to define the philosophy of the victors. They have been amazingly successful in their efforts to control the debate over what Western values are and by what methods they will be spread throughout the world.

Communism surely lost a lot with the breakup of the Soviet Empire, but this can hardly be declared a victory for American liberty, as the Founders understood it. Neoconservatism is not the philosophy of free markets and a wise foreign policy. Instead, it represents big-government welfare at home and a program of using our military might to spread their version of American values throughout the world. Since neoconservatives dominate the way the U.S. government now operates, it behooves us all to understand their beliefs and goals. The breakup of the Soviet system may well have been an epic event but to say that the views of the neocons are the unchallenged victors and that all we need do is wait for their implementation is a capitulation to controlling the forces of history that many Americans are not yet ready to concede. There is surely no need to do so.

There is now a recognized philosophic connection between modern-day neoconservatives and Irving Kristol, Leo Strauss, and Machiavelli. This is important in understanding that todays policies and the subsequent problems will be with us for years to come if these policies are not reversed.

Not only did Leo Strauss write favorably of Machiavelli, Michael Ledeen, a current leader of the neoconservative movement, did the same in 1999 in his book with the title, Machiavelli on Modern Leadership, and subtitled: Why Machiavellis iron rules are as timely and important today as five centuries ago. Ledeen is indeed an influential neocon theorist whose views get lots of attention today in Washington. His book on Machiavelli, interestingly enough, was passed out to Members of Congress attending a political strategy meeting shortly after its publication and at just about the time A Clean Break was issued.

In Ledeens most recent publication, The War Against the Terror Masters, he reiterates his beliefs outlined in this 1999 Machaivelli book. He specifically praises: Creative destructionboth within our own society and abroad(foreigners) seeing America undo traditional societies may fear us, for they do not wish to be undone. Amazingly, Ledeen concludes: They must attack us in order to survive, just as we must destroy them to advance our historic mission.

If those words dont scare you, nothing will. If they are not a clear warning, I dont know what could be. It sounds like both sides of each disagreement in the world will be following the principle of preemptive war. The world is certainly a less safe place for it.

In Machiavelli on Modern Leadership, Ledeen praises a business leader for correctly understanding Machiavelli: There are no absolute solutions. It all depends. What is right and what is wrong depends on what needs to be done and how. This is a clear endorsement of situational ethics and is not coming from the traditional left. It reminds me of: It depends on what the definition of the word is is.

Ledeen quotes Machiavelli approvingly on what makes a great leader. A prince must have no other objectives or other thoughts or take anything for his craft, except war. To Ledeen, this meant: the virtue of the warrior are those of great leaders of any successful organization. Yet its obvious that war is not coincidental to neocon philosophy, but an integral part. The intellectuals justify it, and the politicians carry it out. Theres a precise reason to argue for war over peace according to Ledeen, for peace increases our peril by making discipline less urgent, encouraging some of our worst instincts, in depriving us of some of our best leaders. Peace, he claims, is a dream and not even a pleasant one, for it would cause indolence and would undermine the power of the state. Although I concede the history of the world is a history of frequent war, to capitulate and give up even striving for peacebelieving peace is not a benefit to mankindis a frightening thought that condemns the world to perpetual war and justifies it as a benefit and necessity. These are dangerous ideas, from which no good can come.

The conflict of the ages has been between the state and the individual: central power versus liberty. The more restrained the state and the more emphasis on individual liberty, the greater has been the advancement of civilization and general prosperity. Just as mans condition was not locked in place by the times and wars of old and improved with liberty and free markets, theres no reason to believe a new stage for man might not be achieved by believing and working for conditions of peace. The inevitability and so-called need for preemptive war should never be intellectually justified as being a benefit. Such an attitude guarantees the backsliding of civilization. Neocons, unfortunately, claim that war is in mans nature and that we cant do much about it, so lets use it to our advantage by promoting our goodness around the world through force of arms. That view is anathema to the cause of liberty and the preservation of the Constitution. If it is not loudly refuted, our future will be dire indeed.

Ledeen believes man is basically evil and cannot be left to his own desires. Therefore, he must have proper and strong leadership, just as Machiavelli argued. Only then can man achieve good, as Ledeen explains: In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may have to enter into evil. This is the chilling insight that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired and challengingwe are rotten, argues Ledeen. Its true that we can achieve greatness if, and only if, we are properly led. In other words, man is so depraved that individuals are incapable of moral, ethical and spiritual greatness, and achieving excellence and virtue can only come from a powerful authoritarian leader. What depraved ideas are these to now be influencing our leaders in Washington? The question Ledeen doesnt answer is: Why do the political leaders not suffer from the same shortcomings and where do they obtain their monopoly on wisdom?

Once this trust is placed in the hands of a powerful leader, this neocon argues that certain tools are permissible to use. For instance: Lying is central to the survival of nations and to the success of great enterprises, because if our enemies can count on the reliability of everything you say, your vulnerability is enormously increased. What about the effects of lying on ones own people? Who cares if a leader can fool the enemy? Does calling it strategic deception make lying morally justifiable? Ledeen and Machiavelli argue that it does, as long as the survivability of the state is at stake. Preserving the state is their goal, even if the personal liberty of all individuals has to be suspended or canceled.

Ledeen makes it clear that war is necessary to establish national boundariesbecause thats the way its always been done. Who needs progress of the human race! He explains:

"Look at the map of the world: national boundaries have not been drawn by peaceful men leading lives of spiritual contemplation. National boundaries have been established by war, and national character has been shaped by struggle, most often bloody struggle."

Yes, but who is to lead the charge and decide which borders we are to fight for? What about borders 6,000 miles away unrelated to our own contiguous borders and our own national security? Stating a relative truism regarding the frequency of war throughout history should hardly be the moral justification for expanding the concept of war to settle mans disputes. How can one call this progress?

Machiavelli, Ledeen and the neocons recognized a need to generate a religious zeal for promoting the state. This, he claims, is especially necessary when force is used to promote an agenda. Its been true throughout history and remains true today, each side of major conflicts invokes Gods approval. Our side refers to a crusade; theirs to a holy Jihad. Too often wars boil down to their god against our God. It seems this principle is more a cynical effort to gain approval from the masses, especially those most likely to be killed for the sake of the war promoters on both sides who have power, prestige and wealth at stake.

Ledeen explains why God must always be on the side of advocates of war: Without fear of God, no state can last long, for the dread of eternal damnation keeps men in line, causes them to honor their promises, and inspires them to risk their lives for the common good. It seems dying for the common good has gained a higher moral status than eternal salvation of ones soul. Ledeen adds:

"Without fear of punishment, men will not obey laws that force them to act contrary to their passions. Without fear of arms, the state cannot enforce the lawsto this end, Machiavelli wants leaders to make the state spectacular."

Its of interest to note that some large Christian denominations have joined the neoconservatives in promoting preemptive war, while completely ignoring the Christian doctrine of a Just War. The neocons sought and openly welcomed their support.

Id like someone to glean anything from what the Founders said or placed in the Constitution that agrees with this now-professed doctrine of a spectacular state promoted by those who now have so much influence on our policies here at home and abroad. Ledeen argues that this religious element, this fear of God, is needed for discipline of those who may be hesitant to sacrifice their lives for the good of the spectacular state.

He explains in eerie terms: Dying for ones country doesnt come naturally. Modern armies, raised from the populace, must be inspired, motivated, indoctrinated. Religion is central to the military enterprise, for men are more likely to risk their lives if they believe they will be rewarded forever after for serving their country. This is an admonition that might just as well have been given by Osama bin Laden, in rallying his troops to sacrifice their lives to kill the invading infidels, as by our intellectuals at the AEI, who greatly influence our foreign policy.

Neoconsanxious for the U.S. to use force to realign the boundaries and change regimes in the Middle Eastclearly understand the benefit of a galvanizing and emotional event to rally the people to their cause. Without a special event, they realized the difficulty in selling their policy of preemptive war where our own military personnel would be killed. Whether it was the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, or the Maine, all served their purpose in promoting a war that was sought by our leaders.

Ledeen writes of a fortuitous event (1999):

of course, we can always get lucky. Stunning events from outside can providentially awaken the enterprise from its growing torpor, and demonstrate the need for reversal, as the devastating Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 so effectively aroused the U.S. from its soothing dreams of permanent neutrality.

Amazingly, Ledeen calls Pearl Harbor a lucky event. The Project for a New American Century, as recently as September 2000, likewise, foresaw the need for a Pearl Harbor event that would galvanize the American people to support their ambitious plans to ensure political and economic domination of the world, while strangling any potential rival.

Recognizing a need for a Pearl Harbor event, and referring to Pearl Harbor as being lucky are not identical to support and knowledge of such an event, but this sympathy for a galvanizing event, as 9-11 turned out to be, was used to promote an agenda that strict constitutionalists and devotees of the Founders of this nation find appalling is indeed disturbing. After 9-11, Rumsfeld and others argued for an immediate attack on Iraq, even though it was not implicated in the attacks.

The fact that neo-conservatives ridicule those who firmly believe that U.S. interests and world peace would best be served by a policy of neutrality and avoiding foreign entanglements should not go unchallenged. Not to do so is to condone their grandiose plans for American world hegemony.

The current attention given neocons is usually done in the context of foreign policy. But theres more to whats going on today than just the tremendous influence the neocons have on our new policy of preemptive war with a goal of empire. Our government is now being moved by several ideas that come together in what I call neoconism. The foreign policy is being openly debated, even if its implications are not fully understood by many who support it. Washington is now driven by old views brought together in a new package.

We know those who lead usboth in the administration and in Congressshow no appetite to challenge the tax or monetary systems that do so much damage to our economy. The IRS and the Federal Reserve are off limits for criticism or reform. Theres no resistance to spending, either domestic or foreign. Debt is not seen as a problem. The supply-siders won on this issue, and now many conservatives readily endorse deficit spending.

Theres no serious opposition to the expanding welfare state, with rapid growth of the education, agriculture and medical-care bureaucracy. Support for labor unions and protectionism are not uncommon. Civil liberties are easily sacrificed in the post 9-11 atmosphere prevailing in Washington. Privacy issues are of little concern, except for a few members of Congress. Foreign aid and internationalismin spite of some healthy criticism of the UN and growing concerns for our national sovereigntyare championed on both sides of the aisle. Lip service is given to the free market and free trade, yet the entire economy is run by special-interest legislation favoring big business, big labor and, especially, big money.

Instead of the end of history, we are now experiencing the end of a vocal limited-government movement in our nations capital. While most conservatives no longer defend balanced budgets and reduced spending, most liberals have grown lazy in defending civil liberties and now are approving wars that we initiate. The so-called third way has arrived and, sadly, it has taken the worst of what the conservatives and liberals have to offer. The people are less well off for it, while liberty languishes as a result.

Neocons enthusiastically embrace the Department of Education and national testing. Both parties overwhelmingly support the huge commitment to a new prescription drug program. Their devotion to the new approach called compassionate conservatism has lured many conservatives into supporting programs for expanding the federal role in welfare and in church charities. The faith-based initiative is a neocon project, yet it only repackages and expands the liberal notion of welfare. The intellectuals who promoted these initiatives were neocons, but theres nothing conservative about expanding the federal governments role in welfare.

The supply-siders policy of low-marginal tax rates has been incorporated into neoconism, as well as their support for easy money and generous monetary inflation. Neoconservatives are disinterested in the gold standard and even ignore the supply-siders argument for a phony gold standard.

Is it any wonder that federal government spending is growing at a rate faster than in any time in the past 35 years?

Power, politics and privilege prevail over the rule of law, liberty, justice and peace. But it does not need to be that way. Neoconism has brought together many old ideas about how government should rule the people. It may have modernized its appeal and packaging, but authoritarian rule is authoritarian rule, regardless of the humanitarian overtones. A solution can only come after the current ideology driving our government policies is replaced with a more positive one. In a historical context, liberty is a modern idea and must once again regain the high moral ground for civilization to advance. Restating the old justifications for war, people control and a benevolent state will not suffice. It cannot eliminate the shortcomings that always occur when the state assumes authority over others and when the will of one nation is forced on anotherwhether or not it is done with good intentions.

I realize that all conservatives are not neoconservatives, and all neocons dont necessarily agree on all pointswhich means that in spite of their tremendous influence, most Members of Congress and those in the administration do not necessarily take their marching orders from the AEI or Richard Perle. But to use this as a reason to ignore what neoconservative leaders believe, write about it and agitate forwith amazing success I might point outwould be at our own peril. This country still allows open discoursethough less everydayand we who disagree should push the discussion and expose those who drive our policies. It is getting more difficult to get fair and balanced discussion on the issues, because it has become routine for the hegemons to label those who object to preemptive war and domestic surveillance as traitors, unpatriotic and un-American. The uniformity of support for our current foreign policy by major and cable-news networks should concern every American. We should all be thankful for CSPAN and the internet.

Michael Ledeen and other neoconservatives are already lobbying for war against Iran. Ledeen is pretty nasty to those who call for a calmer, reasoned approach by calling those who are not ready for war cowards and appeasers of tyrants. Because some urge a less militaristic approach to dealing with Iran, he claims they are betraying Americas best traditions. I wonder where he learned early American history! Its obvious that Ledeen doesnt consider the Founders and the Constitution part of our best traditions. We were hardly encouraged by the American revolutionaries to pursue an American empire. We were, however, urged to keep the Republic they so painstakingly designed.

If the neoconservatives retain control of the conservative, limited-government movement in Washington, the ideas, once championed by conservatives, of limiting the size and scope of government will be a long-forgotten dream.

The believers in liberty ought not deceive themselves. Who should be satisfied? Certainly not conservatives, for there is no conservative movement left. How could liberals be satisfied? They are pleased with the centralization of education and medical programs in Washington and support many of the administrations proposals. But none should be pleased with the steady attack on the civil liberties of all American citizens and the now-accepted consensus that preemptive warfor almost any reasonis an acceptable policy for dealing with all the conflicts and problems of the world.

In spite of the deteriorating conditions in Washingtonwith loss of personal liberty, a weak economy, exploding deficits, and perpetual war, followed by nation buildingthere are still quite a number of us who would relish the opportunity to improve things, in one way or another. Certainly, a growing number of frustrated Americans, from both the right and the left, are getting anxious to see this Congress do a better job. But first, Congress must stop doing a bad job.

Were at the point where we need a call to arms, both here in Washington and across the country. Im not talking about firearms. Those of us who care need to raise both arms and face our palms out and begin waving and shouting: Stop! Enough is enough! It should include liberals, conservatives and independents. Were all getting a bum rap from politicians who are pushed by polls and controlled by special-interest money.

One thing is certain, no matter how morally justified the programs and policies seem, the ability to finance all the guns and butter being promised is limited, and those limits are becoming more apparent every day.

Spending, borrowing and printing money cannot be the road to prosperity. It hasnt worked in Japan, and it isnt working here either. As a matter of fact, its never worked anytime throughout history. A point is always reached where government planning, spending and inflation run out of steam. Instead of these old tools reviving an economy, as they do in the early stages of economic interventionism, they eventually become the problem. Both sides of the political spectrum must one day realize that limitless government intrusion in the economy, in our personal lives and in the affairs of other nations cannot serve the best interests of America. This is not a conservative problem, nor is it a liberal problemits a government intrusion problem that comes from both groups, albeit for different reasons. The problems emanate from both camps that champion different programs for different reasons. The solution will come when both groups realize that its not merely a single-party problem, or just a liberal or just a conservative problem.

Once enough of us decide weve had enough of all these so-called good things that the government is always promisingor more likely, when the country is broke and the government is unable to fulfill its promises to the peoplewe can start a serious discussion on the proper role for government in a free society. Unfortunately, it will be some time before Congress gets the message that the people are demanding true reform. This requires that those responsible for todays problems are exposed and their philosophy of pervasive government intrusion is rejected.

Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once its realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. A few have, and others will continue to do so, but too manyboth in and out of governmentclose their eyes to the issue of personal liberty and ignore the fact that endless borrowing to finance endless demands cannot be sustained. True prosperity can only come from a healthy economy and sound money. That can only be achieved in a free society.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:31 PM
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88. Chase, Citigroup and Deutsche

Citigroup, Deutsche Bank Bid For $362 Mln of China Bad Assets

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Copperred Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:38 PM
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.....BUSH SUPPORTS THE SPIES....granted I am sure others do too....but hes on the plate........ MOVE ON get on this......................

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 02:11 PM
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90. the prosecutor is a BUSH FIXER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The prosecutor in the matter of the AIPEC spy matter is Paul McNulty. A Bush family FIXER. The matter will come before the court NEXT WEEK.

From The Washington Post story:

"Also yesterday, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee demanded that a new prosecutor be assigned to investigate the alleged leaks, questioning the "political leanings" of the U.S. attorney in Alexandria who is handling the criminal portion of the case.

In a letter to Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) said the role of U.S. Attorney Paul J. McNulty in the case has "obvious political implications" in an election year, and Conyers cited anonymous allegations in a news report that McNulty had "put the brakes on" the probe.

"While I have no reason to question Mr. McNulty's integrity, he is not a career prosecutor, but instead is a political appointee whose previous employment was principally with Republican politicians," Conyers wrote.

Conyers suggested that either a special counsel or U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald of Chicago, who is overseeing a separate probe into the disclosure of CIA operative Valerie Plame, should take over the Pentagon probe.

Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo declined to comment on the specifics of Conyers's allegations. "We will review the congressman's letter and give it the attention it is due," Corallo said. A spokesman for McNulty also declined comment, referring a reporter to Corallo's statement." ...

Do you know who Paul J. McNulty is?

He's a fixer. A FIXER.

Clinton impeachment. FIXER

Florida recount. FIXER.

Ashcroft's nomination. FIXER

"McNulty is accustomed to high-profile, high-pressure situations. He was chief counsel to the House subcommittee on crime during hearings into the disastrous 1993 federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound outside Waco, Texas.And he served as chief counsel and spokesman for House Judiciary Committee Republicans during impeachment proceedings against President Bill Clinton.During a nighttime jog on Washington's National Mall, McNulty conceived then-House Judiciary Chairman Henry Hyde's opening statement for the Senate trial. McNulty contemplated the oath that the 100 senators would take at the trial's outset, the oath of office that the president took to uphold the Constitution and the oath that Clinton took when he testified.McNulty realized that the concept of the oath unified his thoughts."The oath," Hyde, R-Ill., would say later on the Senate floor. "In many ways the case you will consider in the coming days is about those two words: 'I do.'"McNulty later served as chief counsel to House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas. McNulty returned to the Justice Department, where he served as chief spokesman under President George H.W. Bush. A year ago, McNulty headed the younger Bush's transition team and prepared Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft for his Senate confirmation hearings.Knowing that Ashcroft's hearings would be contentious, McNulty assembled top GOP lawyers to brainstorm questions that the former Missouri senator would face. By the time the hearing began, McNulty had prepared a weighty briefing book with appropriate answers.As Democrats grilled Ashcroft about his support for civil rights, McNulty sat just behind his elbow, straining forward as he balanced the book on his lap."

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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:23 PM
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91. Gingrich said
"When you have no facts and you have no issues, you
collapse into sheer demagoguery.

These are people who are stunningly dishonest and
have nothing to offer," Gingrich said.

doesn't that figure :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 09:44 AM
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93. All threads on this subject
Edited on Mon Sep-06-04 09:45 AM by seemslikeadream
FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
Israeli spy nest in the U.S. - Ashcroft says: Dont arrest them!
Ashcroft Nixes Arrests in Israeli Spy Probe
Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
Spy Case Renews Debate Over Pro-Israel Lobby's Ties to Pentagon Cons
Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
Pro-Israel Lobby Has Strong VoiceAIPAC Is Embroiled in Investigation
of Pe
Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration (WaPo)
White House Learned of Spy Probe in 2001
LAT: Israel Has Long Spied on US,Say Officials(but CIA, Mossad "intimate")
Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
Pentagon leaks connected to battle over Iran policy (this is big!)
Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
AIPAC hires lawyers
IAEA: No proof of secret Iran plan
WP: Spy Probe Expands/Linked to NSC Probe
Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
U.S. Spy Probe Focuses on Two Lobbyists -Guardian
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