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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:29 PM
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Ray gun makes targets feel as if they are on fire
MOODY AIR FORCE BASE, Georgia (AP) -- The military's new weapon is a ray gun that shoots a beam that makes people feel as if they will catch fire.

The technology is supposed to be harmless -- a non-lethal way to get enemies to drop their weapons. Military officials say it could save the lives of civilians and service members in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The weapon is not expected to go into production until at least 2010, but all branches of the military have expressed interest in it, officials said.

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The crew fired beams from more than 500 yards (455 meters) away, nearly 17 times the range of existing non-lethal weapons, such as rubber bullets. While the sudden, 130-degree Fahrenheit (54.44 Celsius) heat was not painful, it was intense enough to make participants think their clothes were about to ignite.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/01/24/ray.gun.ap/index.html
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:32 PM
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1. Taser guns are/were only the begining. These weapons will get....
worse and worse. Hell, at this rate, the taser will become a "party gag" joke. :puke:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:36 PM
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2. That's what Nancy said:
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 09:36 PM by Cooley Hurd

Sorry, couldn't resist.:evilgrin:
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:36 PM
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3. Ahem. That's ten years late.
And where in the hell is my flying car, eh?

I blame Windows 95 for the crushing of my 21st Century fantasies.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:22 PM
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11. Why Windows 95?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:37 PM
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4. hmmmmm,,,,War protester crowd control?
Sure would make roundin'em up a lot more efficient... :sarcasm:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 10:08 PM
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8. If you're in a war zone or staging an occupation,
you can't use tear gas to disperse crowds. You can in the US in peacetime, of course. But they're chemical agents, banned in warfare.

What does that leave? Bullets rubber or real; batons and bayonets. These can kill and maim--and bullets and bayonets are a bit too close-range. There are always water cannons, but they're difficult to move around and deploy.

Given lots of bad choices, what's another bad choice?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:15 AM
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17. Don't occupy foreign countries
Then you don't have to "pacify" them, or American war protesters.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:19 PM
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32. In a perfect world, sure.
But if the options in an imperfect world are the deaths of the occupied or the deaths of the occupiers, I'd look for a third.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:23 AM
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33. Unfortunately ...
... this would reduce the incentive to find non-aggressive solutions
to problems (e.g., get the occupiers out of the invaded country).

FWIW, I'm not sure how much the invaders are really going to bother
with "non-lethal weapons" when the defenders are returning conventional
fire ...

:shrug:

(That's why I think the intended purpose of these weapons is domestic
crowd/protest control not "foreign" locations at all ...)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:47 PM
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5. Supposely harmless. The tests assume you'll be out of the beam in 3-5 secs,
and longer exposures will produce blisters or 2nd degree burns. I'm guessing it'll be ugly if eyes get any extended exposure.
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:47 AM
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20. A possibly bad assumption.
You trip and fall, or the guy targeting you holds the weapon on you. The possibilities are too plausible and endless.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:49 PM
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6. Another weapon that will be misused against American citizens
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 10:04 PM
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7. What is with all of these f***ed up weapons coming out?
Guns that shoot soundwaves. Guns that cause seizures. Guns that make you nauseous. Guns that make you feel like you're on fire. What the f*** is going on?
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:14 PM
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9. Stay home, shut up, be safe.
That is what it is about.

These are new water cannons to use on a new bunch of American protestors. And after that, the Halliburton detention camps.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:57 PM
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15. The idea is for them to be less lethal than firearms but still effective
The purpose of using a weapon on someone, lawfully, is to control their behavior. The theory behind the newer weapons is that you can accomplish that goal with less chance of causing death or traumatic injury.

Until they come up with one as reliable as my M1911-A1 pistol, I'll stick with that.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:44 AM
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19. Most of this stuff has been in development for several years now...
...the Discovery Channel (or TLC, I can't remember which one it was now) had a hour long show on all these "Non-lethal" weapons back in about 2003 or 2004. It was called something like "Future-Tech" or something like that.

I personally like the "Stingball Grenades and the computer controlled LED stealth uniform fabric, which makes the person wearing it almost invisible.

(Actually, Stingball Grenades really suck).
<http://www.sara.com/DE/access_DD/SC_stingball_grenade.html>

I figure this is just another aspect of the RW Media conspiracy to NOT report the real news (which, if reported, makes the WH and most Republicans look bad), so they are reporting these "gee-wiz!" distraction non-news stories to entertain the cable "news" lemmings until they find another "missing pretty white girl" story.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:19 PM
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10. Have they given up on stink gun technology, then?
That was a big player, oh, around ought-three, ought-four, as I recall. Get off my lawn!
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:25 PM
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12. Finally! I have an actual use for my tinfoil hat!
However, now it looks like I'm going to need the construction of a tinfoil bodysuit. :tinfoilhat:
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:41 PM
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13. Planning on cooking yourself
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 11:41 PM by sanskritwarrior
Tinfoil and microwaves..........mmmmmmm popcorn...... :D
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:43 PM
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14. I thought he was still dead
Oh. You mean a real ray gun.

I have a hard time believing that something that feels bad is harmless. What are the long-term effects of getting zapped with something like that?
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grayokc Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:23 AM
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18. You ever met the ex?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:13 AM
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16. Not painful - as if
"While the sudden, 130-degree Fahrenheit (54.44 Celsius) heat was not painful, it was intense enough to make participants think their clothes were about to ignite."

Sounds like a torture weapon.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:31 AM
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28. probably what they first said about the taser
:eyes:
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modrepub Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:30 AM
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21. US military unveils heat-ray gun
US military unveils heat-ray gun

The US military has given the first public display of what it says is a revolutionary heat-ray weapon to repel enemies or disperse hostile crowds.

<snip>

It can penetrate clothes, suddenly heating up the skin of anyone in its path to 50C.

But it penetrates the skin only to a tiny depth - enough to cause discomfort but no lasting harm, according to the military.

A Reuters journalist who volunteered to be shot with the beam described the sensation as similar to a blast from a very hot oven - too painful to bear without diving for cover.

<link>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6297149.stm
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:30 AM
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22. Soon To Be The Latest Illegal and Immoral WMD
and the sooner it's banned, the better.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:30 AM
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23. it penetrates only a tiny depth at what DISTANCE? What if you are closer?
What if a person caught in its path has a weak heart? Tasers are called "safe and nonlethal" yet we keep hearing about suspects killed by tasers. What if the crowd is huge and a person cannot "dive for cover"? Does sustained exposure cause damage? What about the effects on children or the elderly?
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:30 AM
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24. Coming soon to an anti-war protest near you.
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MikeDuffy Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:30 AM
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25. "according to the military"
Why would they lie? Have they ever lied before? Didn't Rumsfeld once vouch for their verbal integrity to reporters (oh, sorry, I just may have that backwards...)
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:30 AM
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26. at the very time that a large march is planned for the DC Mall.
Coincidence?

Hmmmm.
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:09 AM
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27. be sure and bring a mirror to your next protest
nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:34 PM
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30. Don't bring a mirror. Bring a retroflector. See prior threads for counter-measures discussion
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:35 PM by IanDB1
"A retroreflector beams the energy back to its source, regardless. of orientation, unlike a simple mirror. The simplest retroreflector is just three sides of a cube. Many safety reflectors have an array of indentations of this shape molded into them."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroreflector

There's a certain satisfaction in beaming their own weapon right back at them that simply hiding behind a mirror or Faraday cage doesn't give you.


See this thread for a discussion of counter-measures:

Air Force tests new ADS Weapon on humans and dogs
Tue Dec-05-06 12:38 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2861626

Active Denial System, meet "The Retroflector."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x30115#30227
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:30 PM
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29. See prior thread: Military Shows Off New Ray Gun (AP)
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:35 PM
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31. at what point do american corporations develop a conscience?
someone works on this shit all day long & then goes home, kisses the wife, & hugs their kids. they probably feel they're 'saving lives' and keeping stock value up.

corporate personhood must be ended.
the miltary budget must be cut by 2/3.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:27 AM
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34. Only when under attack from flying pigs.
> Someone works on this shit all day long & then goes home,
> kisses the wife, & hugs their kids. they probably feel
> they're 'saving lives' and keeping stock value up.

Well they're obviously doing the right thing as such devices
would never be used on innocent civilians would they?

Everyone who becomes a victim of these devices was self-evidently
a troublemaker who deserved it "and at least it wasn't a bullet".

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