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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:29 PM
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Aid Grows Amid Remarks About President's Absence -WP
...Skeptics said the initial aid sums -- as well as Bush's decision at first to remain cloistered on his Texas ranch for the Christmas holiday rather than speak in person about the tragedy -- showed scant appreciation for the magnitude of suffering and for the rescue and rebuilding work facing such nations as Sri Lanka, India, Thailand and Indonesia.
After a day of repeated inquiries from reporters about his public absence, Bush late yesterday afternoon announced plans to hold a National Security Council meeting by teleconference to discuss several issues, including the tsunami, followed by a short public statement.

Bush's deepened public involvement puts him more in line with other world figures. In Germany, Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder cut short his vacation and returned to work in Berlin because of the Indian Ocean crisis, which began with a gigantic underwater earthquake. In Britain, the predominant U.S. voice speaking about the disaster was not Bush but former president Bill Clinton, who in an interview with the BBC said the suffering was like something in a "horror movie," and urged a coordinated international response.

Earlier yesterday, White House spokesman Trent Duffy said the president was confident he could monitor events effectively without returning to Washington or making public statements in Crawford, where he spent part of the day clearing brush and bicycling. Explaining the about-face, a White House official said: "The president wanted to be fully briefed on our efforts. He didn't want to make a symbolic statement about 'We feel your pain.' "
...
Some foreign policy specialists said Bush's actions and words both communicated a lack of urgency to an event that will loom as large in the collective memories of several countries as the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks do in the United States. "When that many human beings die -- at the hands of terrorists or nature -- you've got to show that this matters to you, that you care," said Leslie Gelb, emeritus president of the Council on Foreign Relations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32337-20...

He might get chewed up over this.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:30 PM
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1. They had to dry him out...
must have been some bender, eh?
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:33 PM
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4. Yep...

... something is rotten in Crawford (but we all knew that).
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:33 PM
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5. Dude needs a couple of days
to dry out, don'tcha know...

Strolling...bike riding...

Have a pretzel while you are at it, George...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:59 AM
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111. Speech writers complete with Biblical References to come
The commoners are so impatient these days....another yogurt covered pretzel please.

Rove smiles.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:37 PM
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12. No - they had to convince him to pretend to give a damn
about people who are actually suffering.

I think they had to train him to stop giggling when he thought about poor dark-skinned Asians being swept to sea.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:19 AM
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:24 AM
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64. No. Only the parts of the world with oil.
Jeebers.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:43 AM
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69. That's why God speaks to George Bush
and guides his every decision. The US is God's blessed country, and as such is responsible for the salvation of the rest of the world.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:23 AM
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94. He probably wanted more tax cuts
OR

I can truly see that ass on the phone screaming for India, Sri Lanka and Indonesia to cut their taxes, then he'll slip the Jesus witnessing shit in too...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:36 PM
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121. He doesn't care about their tax cuts
since it doesn't benefit HIM. He gets both money and support from Fat Cats for his regime from his tax cut scheme. It's not like it's something he really believes is going to help the country. Why would he ask some other country to do it? If it isn't in his own personal interest, he isn't going to give a damn one way or the other. As he has been demonstrating with his apathy toward the survivors of the catastrophe.

Like I said elsewhere on this thread, it's HARD WORK to pretend to feel compassion when you're a sociopath.

It must be even harder for an relentlessly greedy, endlessly narcissistic one.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 05:34 AM
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156. He had to practice pronouncing "tsunami"
because "tidal wave" wouldn't sound presidential.

HARD WORK, y'know.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:19 AM
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33. Yup
pickling his liver
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:46 AM
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46. That's the same reason it took him so long to respond after the Columbia..
disaster (which was nearly 5 hours) His days off are really off and he must be "prepped"
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:52 AM
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86. I was thinking about that event also
NASA had to delay their own press conference that day, so that W could finish getting prepped and it wouldn't look so bad that it took him half the day to get his act together.


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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:18 PM
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130. I think that's what "clearing brush" really means
and he seems to do a lot of it in Crawford.
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BlueStatesForever Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 10:29 AM
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159. Joking aside
Joking aside, I'll bet you're right about that. I hadn't even thought of it.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:31 PM
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2. Bush needs the extra time to pronounce "Tsunami" correctly. nt
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:23 AM
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35. Sadly, your comment is probably true. n/t
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:57 PM
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123. OMG! ROFLMBO!! n/t
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:15 PM
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140. that's wrong
but true
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:32 PM
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3. but some people here think $35 million is too much money for aid....
:eyes:
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:34 PM
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7. Really Arcos? That's funny coming from you
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:35 PM
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8. Sounds like downright WELFARE to me
just think of how many cruise missiles that money could buy...

Or inaugural parties...
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:00 AM
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24. Damn straight! They can pull themselves up by their bootstraps!
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 12:00 AM by hatrack
It worked for George W. Bush and by God, it can work for THEM!

On edit: :puke:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:45 AM
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70. We earned it, we get to keep it
If they want money, let them earn it too
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svpadgham Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:12 PM
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150. Actually...
I don't think $35 million would pay for one of *'s inaguration parties.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:36 PM
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11. but $40 million for * argu, we should always lead with compassion in
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 11:37 PM by GetTheRightVote
our hearts so we can stand before all people where ever they live and stand tall. If it were are home that was destoried we would turn to the world for this type of help so we should give it as well. I feel so sorry for those people over there, life cut off short ......... no amount of money can replace the lost of life, just terrible, terrible.

:kick:

* is a disgrace to have not ran home the moment he heard about it.

Sorry son of a b*.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:20 AM
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:34 PM
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6. Who gives a damn. He'll only offer another Bushism anyway.
What book is he reading this time?
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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:35 PM
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9. to paraphrase his momma, "Why should he worry his mind about that?"
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 11:37 PM by puddycat
Here's Babs Bush's quote: "Why should we hear about body bags and deaths," Barbara Bush said on ABC's "Good Morning America" on March 18, 2003. "Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?" (from article by Joyce Marcel titled "Her Beautiful Mind" http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0429-11.htm )

So, no wonder Junior has grown up just like his Momma. One sociopath begets another. To Junior, those thousands of victims of the tidal wave are just a nuisance, to be swatted away like a fly.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:07 AM
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79. The beautiful mind syndrome! you beat me to it lol n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:59 PM
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147. Oh Gawd the Mamma; living testament to abortion rights!
Like to whack her on the can with a skillet!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:35 PM
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10. Considering the outpouring of sympathy we got on 9/11 ...
... Smirk demonstrates the molecule-thin sham of 'compassion' he cloaks himself within. That utter waste of protoplasm is a disgrace to the human race.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:44 PM
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16. Good comparison.
3,000 dead, and we expect an outpouring of sympathy from everyone -- and got it.

55,000 dead and counting, he can't even interrupt his vacation for 5 minutes to say he's sorry to hear it.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:13 AM
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29. Pretending to feel compassion is HARD WORK when you're a sociopath
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 12:15 AM by Nothing Without Hope
He shames us all...again.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:35 AM
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42. He's a detestible sack of narcissistic shit, for sure.
"What's in it for me?" is his sole guide - provoking reaction rather than acting with conscience.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:40 AM
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43. One of the remaining mysteries...
...is how, even with the power of spin, ANYONE could ever have believed he was a "nice guy." His shallowness and meanness of spirit are obvious to the whole world.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:50 AM
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48. They did it
by rarely letting him out without a script. When he accidently gets out unscripted, people are repelled.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:05 AM
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56. It still amazes me
that with his entire life history of bullying, petty meanness, together with that of his extremely unpleasant family, "they" have managed to convince so many people that he is a "nice guy."

The magnitude of distortion that had to be maintained constantly, without revealing moments of truth being allowed to get out, is boggling.

Another mystery is why the wingnut fundies don't suspect that this non-church-attending, go-by-what-I-say-not-by-what-I-do hypocrite is a fraud. Usually their level of paranoia is pretty high.

Well, that's enough thinking about that for tonight. My disgust-o-meter is pegging out here. Time for a hot shower and bed.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:44 AM
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98. His supporters don't like him because he's a "nice guy" ...
... they like him because he's a bully and they KNOW he's a bully.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:44 PM
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122. I don't think anyone who really knows him likes him -- but they USE him
I do think there are a lot of people who have been taken in by the "nice guy" spin and THINK they like him. Of course, they don't really know him at all, only the TV image that has been carefully concocted.

As for his "friends," it's not his being a bully that they most admire IMO, it's that he is USEFUL to their own interests. They tolerate his pettiness because he's a tool for them. His policies are geared to giving them what they want -- pigs at the trough -- and as long as they get it, they will continue to support him.

Early in his first term, there was a New Yorker cartoon that I thought captured this well: Two obvious Fat Cats are having a private chat, and one says to the other, "I really like the way he is mismanaging the economy." The other smiles wolfishly.
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:38 PM
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134. I think you hit it right on the head tavalon.
Nothing puts fear in the hearts of the GOP bigwigs like the thought of * without a script.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:17 AM
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59. That's exact what it is.
During my therapist-intern/social-worker years, I repeatedly came upon a certain type of personality (and discussed it with psychologists who agreed with me), that were essentially spoiled brats. They started out as narcissists, continued on, viewing themselves as the center of the Earth. They tend to become enraged when one of the pawns (that's everyone else) does not do what they want. If they show kindness or empathy, it comes off as phoney, because they literally do not feel the need to put themselves in anyone else's shoes. The only thing that they respect is brutal power. And they respect each other. They seemed to be such narcissists to me, that the line between them and sociopathy seemsed thin. It was just that their conduct didn't appear overtly antisocial, and they weren't poor enough to encounter the prison system cycle over and over again. Bush really seems like this type of person.

One of my close relatives is just like this. She believes that O.J. (a fellow narcissist of this type) is innocent, and Bush is a great leader. They seem to have an affinity for each other. Scott Peterson seems like another to me.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:21 AM
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114. Yes, it's pretty obvious he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder ...
... and (secondarily) Sociopathic Personality Disorder, per DSM-IV. He's the poster boy for NPD as far as I can tell. This has been discussed frequently on DU for over three years, and has been opined in the niche media by mental health professionals, as well.

For nearly all of my life (6 decades), I've thought people who voiced a deep animosity toward a political figure, particularly a president, were strange, fringe zealots. Rabid partisans. This is the first time I've held such a belief myself, and I'm anything but a partisan.

I eschew political partisanship - almost obsessively focused on issues, principles, and character compatible with what I strongly believe are egalitarian and just. I've probably supported as many Republicans as Democrats in my life - until the Clinton Inquisitions. (While I have some major disagreements with Clinton/Gore policies, the Inquisition was insane and corrupt.)

Bush* Pere et Fils have been the most detestable figures in American politics since McCarthy, and maybe even surpassing ol' Joe. Bush* Fils is 10 times worse than Pere, and Pere was an unmitigated disaster as both a person and a president. I never imagined I'd see this in the US.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:42 AM
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44. I'll bet they don't even apologize for the delay.
And it's 68,000 dead the last I heard.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:56 AM
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53. I think it's going to be well over 100,000
There should be a national day of mourning, with flags at half-mast
Most of the money for the inaugural should be shifted to disaster relief
And much more

But instead we have the self-satisfied little sociopath in Crawford, who cannot even be bothered to speak on the tragedy with his own imperial mouth.

It used to be thought around the world that the national character of the US included a "good heart." Well, he's taken care of what was left of that.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:34 AM
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96. Oh no, he must not be denied his orgy. Now watch this drive.
Ladies and gentlemen, Nero lives. Nero meets Marie Antoinette.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:32 AM
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66. American dead don't equal foreign dead
much less people from 3rd world countries.

In the meantime, over at Free Republic they are trying to figure out how missionary work may be more succesful in the wake of the tradgedy. Just like Jesus would have wanted.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:15 AM
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75. Are you serious? Missionaries?
I hope not. Those people need clean drinking water, not bibles. What an insult that would be to them.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:04 PM
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127. Eh, you're talking about Freeptards here. It makes complete sense to
those imbeciles!!!
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:50 AM
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73. and that 3000 number
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 01:53 AM by pacifictiger
(for 9/11) included people from other countries as well. I think there were about 2800 americans.

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:19 AM
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76. You're right. And I think
it was under 2,800 Americans. The count kept going down.

Either way, it's unacceptable to ignore a major catastrophe like the earthquakes that have just occurred. Last I read, Bush is "biking, clearing brush, and strolling". He's not the sort of man who has to dial his own telephone. They could have handed him a telephone so that he could make a statement saying he was sorry this had happened. He could have done that in one minute. Too much trouble. Wouldn't want to interfere with his vacation.

Bush, the professional vacationer.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:25 PM
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133. I think the actual number may have been under
2800; the media consistently rounds the numbers upwards for 9/11, downwards for things like American and Iraqi casualties in Iraq, marchers at protests, taxpayer $$ used to fund the invasion and Halliburtan, exit poll #s for Kerry, etc.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:19 AM
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32. The world was wonderful to us.
I will NEVER forget those pictures of memorials and candle lightings all over the world.

They won't forget that we turned out to be cold-hearted bastards when they were suffering. Nor should they.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:18 AM
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60. Yeah, but 9/11 is different.
We had nothing to do with that. It was caused by people who "hate Freedom" and Christ, too.

The tsunami was God's judgement. Those people must have....

OK, I'll stop. :eyes:
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:36 AM
Original message
Didn't the Ayatollahs Fallwellmeini and Robertsonmeini also say that 9/11
was also a "judgement of God??????????????????" :eyes:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:49 AM
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72. You are right.
I guess they have trouble staying on-message somedays! :)
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:03 AM
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87. Fortunately, Americans (aside from Bushes) do want to help
The average American, whether Red or Blue state, has a compassionate heart and I'm guessing we're already contributing mightily to the various aid organizations.

It would be nice if we also had a president who could spontaneously and genuinely speak on our behalf, instead of Mr. Let Them Eat Cake, the drunken chimp. He makes us all look cheap and uncaring.

Hekate
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:11 AM
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106. People were asking "where's the president" then, too.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:37 PM
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13. 'We feel your pain?"
Anyone else feel as mortified as I do right now even though you
didn't vote for him either???????? What an *^*$@%#!!!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:47 PM
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17. mortified beyond belief
that incompetent bastard is a disgrace to America
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:47 AM
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47. You've got that right.
Bush is an embarrassment to the human race. He doesn't have a clue about real life. If this is the way a Christian behaves...then I sure don't want to be one. Our jackass president was born into money..he doesn't have a clue. Between this lousy response to this horrible tragedy and the monstrous things he has caused in Iraq, by the time he leaves office, the whole world will hate us. Obviously the man is completely incapable of sensitivity, compassion, kindness. He has been a selfish jerk all his life. Why should he change now? America could have led the world in helping those who have suffered so in this last tragedy. Bush disgusts me more every day! And with his "mandate" and "political capital" it is going to get a lot worse. The next four years will be hell. I still keep hoping this is just a nightmare, that 51% of the population are not complete idiots, and the chimp won't be around for the next four years.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:09 PM
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129. marew, that Chimp is no Christian. We true Christians call him a "false
prophet". Chimpy McFlightsuit wouldn't know Christ from a rock on the ground. It's just a ploy to gain Reich Wing fundie votes. We Christians see right through this fake Christian Chimp, please don't think that Chimp represents Christians because he doesn't. :hi:
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #129
148. I agree with you
with all my heart. I am of the Christian Left and see nothing
of what I believe in the behavior of the neocon-supporting
evangelical hordes.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:39 PM
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14. Lets take a little kick at Clinton..He didn't want to make a symbolic
statement about "We feel your pain".. Worried more about Clinton upstaging them than the damn tragic event. Jeeze Damn these people and those that support them to Hell...
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Yeah, and heaven FORBID
that a pol ever actually FEEL the pain of others. As if it were a GIVEN, the toad dismisses the concept as "symbolic".

I wish I could find the rest of the speech. Pundit clowns and repubs would mock the Sermon on The Mount if it could be spun to their advantage.

But Clinton is upstaging him anyway- this is the first I've read of his statements in Europe, but you can bet he's getting press there and making us look better than Bushbo could.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. No Clinton is not making us like good..Europe is thinking they
impeached this guy for a blow job.. and they love this monkey so much..God what a fucked up country.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #23
77. Actually Europe thought Americans were strange idiots for giving a damn
about a man and a woman having consensual sex. They're not as uptight over there about sex.

Clinton has always been popular abroad. He still is.

bush, of course, is massively detested abroad, including by his poodle's people, the Brits.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #77
99. That is exactly what I am saying. They think were screwed up for
impeaching Clinton and loving the monkey(that would mean Bush) so much.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #99
104. Ahhh, gotcha now
Sorry. :)
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #104
109. No, apology needed. I could have made the post more clear.
I was just so pissed off - I was just spewing through the keyboard last night. I am always pissed off at Bush and his supporters- but I was extra, extra, pissed off at him last night.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #109
110. Me too...
I was too extra pissed off with bush to read your post correctly.

He really is a sociopathic ignorant stupid fool of a total idiotic MFer, isn't he.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #110
116. Yes and then some.
n/t
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #18
68. Since Clinton upstaged him in NY after the "incidents" of Sept 11 2001 ,
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 01:42 AM by Valerie5555
what would it matter????????????????????????


On edit He was in AUSTRALIA and BEAT the "POLLO MIERDA" OR "CHICKEN SHIT" back to NY, remember????????????????????
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:00 AM
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55. That has to be one of the most heartless, immature quotes I have ever read
I cannot even fathom what kind of person uses a tragedy like this to take a hyper-defensive dig at fucking Bill Clinton in the face of such staggering loss of life. How thoroughly cynical and morally bankrupt must a person be to even think like that? I hope * can get it together and show proper respect for the victims of this disaster. As much as I can't stand the guy, I really do hope that somehow he will manage not to fail here. That's pure hope. I have no confidence it will go that way.

I imagine this official who made the "I feel your pain" sarcastic quip reads the New York Times and saw the same pictures that I did today. And he/she says that in response? That comment is seriously upsetting me. It literally makes me sick in the pit of my stomach that these are the kind of heartless cynical people in charge of our government.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:58 AM
Response to Reply #14
93. I'm so disgusted
They just HAD to get in a dig at him, what a bunch of scumbags!!! :grr: :grr:
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
125. Yeah, that made me mad
As if I need another reason to despise them.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:44 PM
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15. once again slow to react
eom
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SuffragetteSal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #15
30. and this is the way a true leader behaves?
I think not! To your room George and no video games for you tonight!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:48 PM
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19. * has to shamed into responding like a real president.
The fact that he can not do this on his own initiative confirms the crass character that is *. He can not even be bothered to read a statement espousing America's concern and a rendering of assistance.

My personal symapthy and empathy to each and every individual that suffered the loss of a home, loved one and way of life. May blessings be bestowed upon them and us. We will need them.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:48 PM
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20. Sociopaths are incapable of feeling ANYBODY'S pain.
Remember how Bush mocked the woman on death row when he was Governor of Texas: "Oh, please, don't kill me" he simpered in a falsetto voice. Truly inhuman, without a scintilla of human kindness in his being.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #20
154. They might not feel the pain
but they sre usually better at pretending they do then bush is.

And I have never forgotten how he mocked Carla Fay Tucker. (He was probably surprised that Tucker Carlson reported it...along with the profanities he used in the interview. He felt comfortable in front of a sympathizer. The campaign later said Carlson invented it!)

Bush is not a very good sociopath, not as clever, cunning or charming as they can be. So how are people being duped by someone who is not even good at it. (Whether it was 48% or 51% of voters who picked him...how could there be that many. OK I know that is another subject, it just boggles my mind)
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:49 PM
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21. When did Trent Duffy
become the WH spokesman?

I do hope photos from his short public statement make it to the net. It appears his make-up person is going to have a hell of a job.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:56 PM
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22. bush is PURE EVIL
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:22 AM
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:16 AM
Response to Reply #63
80. You gotta be shittin' me
some lurking asshole commented on this?

Get a life, freeptard...
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:01 AM
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25. "clearing brush and bicycling" my a$$
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 12:23 AM by bpilgrim
while on VACATION?!

i thought the lazy bum was tired form all the 'hard work' :argh:

peace
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. looks like the rest of our gov followed his lead - OFFICIALS in VIP louge
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 12:35 AM by bpilgrim
American diver underwater during catastrophe

Faye Wachs said she was impressed by the efforts of the Thai government and the International Committee for the Red Cross, but "she was appalled at the treatment they got" from the U.S. government, her mother said.

At the airport in Bangkok, other governments had set up booths to greet nationals who had been affected and to help repatriate them, she said.

That was not the case with the U.S. government, Wachs told her mother. It took the couple three hours, she said, to find the officials from the American consulate, who were in the VIP lounge.

Because they had lost all their possessions, including their documentation, they had to have new passports issued.

But the U.S. officials demanded payment to take the passport pictures, Helen Wachs said.

more...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/28/tsunami.diver /


there is nothing healthy bout being well adjusted to a SICK society -

peace
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #27
36. The CNN story is disgusting. In the VIP Lounge???????
Europe took care of its people and WE CHARGED FOR PASSPORT PICTURES?????

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:32 AM
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39. they didn't want make a "SYMBOLIC STATEMENT" - "We feel your pain"
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 12:32 AM by bpilgrim
"The president wanted to be fully briefed on our efforts. He didn't want to make a symbolic statement about 'We feel your pain.'

Many Bush aides believe Clinton was too quick to head for the cameras to hold forth on tragedies with his trademark empathy. "Actions speak louder than words," a top Bush aide said, describing the president's view of his appropriate role.

source...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6763683


these are some SICK puppies :puke:

peace
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Mr_Scarecrow Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #39
135. Trademark Empathy!
And the Repugs wonder why they can't break the Clintonistas! It's that "trademark empathy," oh so calculated and endearing. It's almost like he "cares" or something. What a foreign concept to them.

My theory why Bush hasn't responded: Not a bender, like many have said. It's the orchestra. Just like the orchestration after 9/11, Rove, et al are composing a grand symphony, of which the primary beneficiaries will be the Republican party and their business interests. It takes time to compose the master plan, to come up with the exact notes that must be played to demonize the left and glorify the right. In this case, they are adjusting their already existing fugue to incorporate the "tsunami overture".

The freepers are not crazy to know that missionaries will be a huge part of our relief efforts. Look at our Bush-directed aid efforts elsewhere and the shape of tsunami relief should be clear.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 07:36 AM
Response to Reply #39
157. I remember being impressed by the amount of compassion and empathy
Edited on Sat Jan-01-05 07:38 AM by socialdemocrat1981
that Clinton showed when one of these major natural disasters occurred on his watch -I think it was either a massive earthquake in India or in Turkey (I forget which). And that tragedy only claimed a tiny proportion of lives compared to this one.

I am truly sickened by the fact that we have such selfish and self-absorbed officials in the White House consistently playing the fiddle while the world burns all around them
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #36
58. This is typical U$ Gov
behavior. I have traveled a lot and coming back into the U$, even though a citizen, is always a pain. Never, ever, when abroad feel like U$ embassies and counsulates are there to help you the citizen. There are there to make deals, spy, etc. in the country they are located in.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #58
71. Am sure the Canadian ones may be slightly better in coming to the defence
of Canadians but things may be problematic for you if you're a "dual national" i.e. like Maher Arrar or Zahra Kazemi.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #71
119. Untrue! Arar being sent to Syria was the actions of the US...
not Canada. There is an official inquiry going on regarding this but none going on in the US for deporting a Canadian citizen to Syria to be tortured.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #71
144. Let's say that
other countries are less anal and controlling and Canada is looking into said cases.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:53 AM
Response to Reply #36
82. Yes. I saw the interview on CNN earlier today
I was disgusted
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #36
141. Yeah, apparently between martinis...
I'm surprised those officials in the VIP Lounge didn't request the Americans to "pick up the check..."
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #27
115. Kerry made a statement about the disaster
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #115
138. gotta link?
tia :toast:

peace
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:03 AM
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26. How I long for the days when we had a *real* President...


..like Bill Clinton, instead of this criminal hanging about on his Texas ranch sweeping brush, while an international crisis unfolds.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:10 AM
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28. A strategic consideration I can't believe no one's mentioned
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 01:07 AM by hatrack
Natural disasters like this (and there hasn't been anything on this scale since perhaps the Bangladesh cyclone of 1970 - something like 300,000 killed - a conservative estimate) can destabilize entire countries. I find it unbelievable that no one at the White House has even apparently thought about this.

Look at the last time Indonesia's geology went ape-shit. When Krakatoa blew, the effects were so devastating, and the response so ineffective in the face of absolute devastation, that it produced a slow-burning Muslim religious insurrection across a big chunk of the (then) Dutch East Indies, especially in western Java and Eastern Sumatra. It went on for years in a long and hopeless war against the Dutch, and thousands died.

Krakatoa killed about 35,000, most in Indonesia. This time around, I'd be willing to bet that we'll be talking about at least 100,000 dead before it's all done, and I think that's probably a lowball estimate.

So let's look at the countries involved:

Sri Lanka - in the middle of a slow-motion civil war in which 10s of thousands have already died.

Thailand & Malaysia - both facing Islamic radicals

India - Staggering poverty, staggering corruption and a calcified bureaucracy which is probably not going to come out of this smelling too sweet, especially considering their response to the Orissa cyclone a few years back.

Burma - a corrupt military dictatorship trying to hold the lid on a whole lot of pissed-off people.

Indonesia - the worst-hit region is Aceh, where there's already an insurrection against both the central government and foreign oil companies underway.

So, what we're looking at is a whole lot of stress on social and government systems striking governments that are not too well equipped to handle that stress. This is a serious geopolitical regional kick in the pants, and all the Crawford Chimpanzee can do is hurl sticks and fruit while emitting sporadic sympathetic hoots. Not good enough, Chimpass.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #28
34. which why I worry about all the military
we are sending there "to help". How is the military going to help? I can understand the hospital ships, and perhaps the use of their heavy equipment, but I don't trust Rummy's intentions.
After Abu Ghraib, I doubt the US military will ever be welcome anywhere, even after a disaster such as this.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:31 AM
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38. But a really huge and efficient western response
Might quell many rising movements of resentment against the west. I know who was kind when I was grief-stricken. I'll never turn against those people.

So, basically, it's shell out now or spend it on war later. And if we show our compassionate side now (and I know we have a great one) we don't get to watch our children die later.

And maybe, the next time we're in trouble, they'll help us.

This is why social darwinism is a total bust. Social altruism is what leads to another generation.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #38
52. Aquart, that is beautiful and true
"Social altruism is what leads to another generation"
Well said, my friend
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #28
65. Well said. There is a critical sociopolitical perspective.
bush of course is blind to anything except that which stares him in the face. Your post is much too nuanced and complex for him to consider. Could you please restate that for the mentality of a 5-year-old? Perhaps a fraggot (freeper maggot) may be able to relay the info to Rove, then on to Little Boots.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:29 AM
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90. The Crawford Chimp hurls sticks and fruit while hooting?! ROFLMAO
"... and all the Crawford Chimpanzee can do is hurl sticks and fruit while emitting sporadic sympathetic hoots. Not good enough, Chimpass."

Oh my. (wipes tears from eyes) Oh my. Very well put. Excellent extension of the metaphor.

Thank you for the enduring image. :evilgrin:

Hekate

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:25 AM
Response to Reply #28
95. Perhaps it was a fortuitous happenstance for the * family empire.
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 07:26 AM by Cerridwen

"There were also governments in the developing sector whose obedience to the Anglo-Saxon supermen was in doubt. The 250,000,000 Arabs, who were in turn the vanguard of a billion Moslems, would always be intractable. The out-of-area deployments doctrine of the Atlantic Alliance would now be the framework for the ritual immolation of the leading Arab state, which happened to be Iraq. Later, there would be time to crush and dismember India, Malaysia, Brazil, Indonesia and some others." emphasis mine

snipped from George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin http://www.tarpley.net/bush24.htm

I'm not saying conspiracy theory; I'm saying if the * family has it's sights set on destroying these nations; this makes it easier for them to carry out their agenda.

But then, maybe the author of that site is full of crap.

:shrug:

edited to add emphasis and my part in it



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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:15 AM
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31. Was he really clearing brush........again?
Clearing brush seems to be very important to him for some reason. It's hard to picture our president doing this while something of such major magnitude has been going on.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:44 AM
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45. Hard To Picture?
"It's hard to picture our president doing this while something of such major magnitude has been going on"

IT IS?
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #45
54. Our, meaning THE president of this country, whomever that might be
I believe that Clinton or Carter would have responded immediately.
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #31
83. Self absorbed with a
bush - how telling.
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Tangledog Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:27 AM
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37. Yeah, absence
Explaining the about-face, a White House official said: "The president wanted to be fully briefed on our efforts. He didn't want to make a symbolic statement about 'We feel your pain.' "

That's exactly what any president has to do. For starters. Symbolic statements have symbolic importance. That's why we call them "symbolic."

Aww, what the blow, he'll find a way to blame Trent Duffy and carry on as before.

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. this is GROSS incompetence
it'll be us against the world before this is over :argh:

peace
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #40
50. Already is, my friend.
This is just icing on the shit cake we've been handing out since 2001.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:35 AM
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41. Kerry should have issued a statement. Did he? That would have
really put the stink on Dubya.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:53 AM
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49. "Upstage Dubya that would not be polite..I might get a stain on my pink
tutu."-J.Kerry
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #41
51. Who knows?
Because the MSM doesn't cover anyone as passe as Kerry. He's so yesterday. (sarcasm)
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ObamaFan2500 Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:07 AM
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57. He Should Speak Out
It might help save more lives for the poor people
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:36 AM
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67. "You've got to show that this matters to you....
that you care." The chimp took several days to haul his ass to NYC for an embarrassing photo op at Ground Zero. He has yet to attend a single funeral for an American service man or woman killed fighting his insane, illegal war of choice in Iraq. He's been in Iraq exactly once -- inside a hanger where he was photographed holding a plastic turkey before he bid a hasty retreat back to Crawford.

Expecting real concern or genuine commitment from this lightweight asshole is expecting way too much. A real President would instinctively know what to do. Chimp is lost without his handlers, who are apparently on vacation.
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #67
74. nah, his handlers are too busy planning
shrubs glitsy coronation extravaganza to be bothered with anything so mundane as a natural mega-disaster.
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:32 AM
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78. they are framing the incident for their base
As soon as the precise Jesus-like persona can be calculated, Bush will appear and deliver a statement intended to further endear him to his loyal followers. BushCo does not care about the opinions of anyone, be they foreign leaders or American citizens, other than his own loyal base.

He will make a statement that is a rewording of Clinton's, equate it with our own suffering in the war on terror, and then speak as though aid has already been delivered. The lion's share of aid will be less than promised, slow in coming, and finally, out of the eyes of American television, reveal to be loans with strict economic development or war participation requirements attached.

The only thing Bush seems to enjoy more than the senseless death and suffering of people in the lower economic classes is profiting off of the senseless death and suffering of people in the lower economic classes. I hope the moderate republicans who voted for this monster pay close attention to his reaction to this horrible tragedy.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:10 AM
Response to Reply #78
84. Are you psychic?
Or just very aware... I have a feeling that's exactly what'll happen.
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:39 AM
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102. brilliant post and probably so true
n/t
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:18 PM
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120. Damn. Right on.
Of course, the MSM will only praise him for whatever mediocre actions he takes.

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:29 AM
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81. I really doubt this jerk feels anyone's pain ...
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:21 AM
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85. once again, one-upped by Clinton in 2004.
woohoo for Clinton. and my heart goes out to millions of people who have suffered unthinkable losses.
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:07 AM
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88. "We feel you pain"
What a horrible remark. And what a puke to have made it. They make me sick! :puke:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:13 AM
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89. ''symbolic statement about 'We feel your pain.' " ''
a compassionate conservative in action.
god wants bush to enjoy his vacation.

it's back to ''worst president ever''.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:49 AM
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91. "... showed scant appreciation for the magnitude of suffering ..."
Well, of course. The chimp doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone but himself.


"Prosperity is just around the corner." -- Herbert Hoover
"The economy has turned a corner." -- GW Bush

Herbert Hoover = GW Bush
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:28 AM
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101. Hoover of course
DID care. Look at his work to feed Europe after both world wars.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:47 AM
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108. It's too bad Hoover didn't show the same compassion to starving veterans--
or to average Americans, for that matter.
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:56 AM
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92. Does any of this surprise us?
Bush is an evil fool and his masters are inhuman.
They care about nothing except carrying out their bloody and insane agenda.

And not one of them will be 'chewed up' by their bought and paid for MSM propaganda mill, not in any real sense.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:42 AM
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97. Say what?
"Bush's decision at first to remain cloistered on his Texas ranch for the Christmas holiday rather than speak in person about the tragedy"


"Bush's deepened public involvement"


Oh, the double talk. :eyes:
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:28 AM
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100. To quote *'s favorite philosopher:
"The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks." Luke 6:45 (NIV) I miss Bill Clinton.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:39 AM
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103. They just HAD to get a dig in at Clinton
:eyes:
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 10:21 AM
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158. Tomorrow, Limbaugh will blame clinton for the tsunami
he'll start in on how this was caused by something from the 90's that somehow traces back to clinton....

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DFWJock Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:46 AM
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105. Bush to world:
Sorry about that tsunami thing, but I got brush to cut in Crawford.
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:43 AM
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107. Just saw shrub on TV talking about this...
He just can't get that smirk off his face. Mentioned waiting for "assessment" of the tragedy. Maybe he doesn't watch TV and see what the rest of us have. We know he doesn't read anything. And then, probably he just doesn't give a damn. I don't think he could have a compassionate thought if his life depended on it. Probably pissed because he catching flack for his extremely slow response. Do you think he ever really read his bible? If I remember correctly, doesn't the Christian bible talk about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc. I would bet, with all his family's millions, he hasn't contributed a personal penny. Guess he thinks he can take it with him to buy an air conditioner in hell.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:00 PM
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117. He is such an embarrassment.......I had to leave the room
I just can't stand the way he talks or his horrible facial expressions!
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:03 PM
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126. This is the same attitude that gave us 9/11

Bush can't process the concept that the President has to get involved to energize the bureaucracy and get it off the 'business as usual' attitude that prevails, sometimes even in the presence of extraordinary circumstances. Bureaucrats see no percentage in taking risks and being seen to over-react to things and then getting criticized for it.

Of course, in this case there's probably no PDB on it for him to ignore.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:00 PM
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139. similar to what Colin Powell said on Today Show
Powell was going on about "as soon as they submit the proper requests" to us. I imagined someone without paper or pencil or phone trying to put together the tools with which to become bureaucratic.

They are so used to sandbagging and holding requests at bay.

It must hurt to see money going out of the country that they can't figure a way to steal from. Oh well, give them a day or two and I'm sure they'll have that angle down.


Cher

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dzoner Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:14 AM
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112. Billion or Million
Just listened to replay of part of speech on MSNBC. Commentator first said US with initial gift of 35 million. Bush seemed to say 35 "Billion" not million???????
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:18 AM
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113. I caught that too....
...and here I was accusing Bushco for not running his comments live so they could edit out the hard questions! Yes, he said billion. Whoa! That's quite a faux pas.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:11 PM
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118. This is the point in the transcript that he blew...
snip>
First of all, we provide immediate cash relief to the tune of about $35 million. And then there will be an assessment of the damage so that the next tranche of relief will be spent wisely. That's what's happening now.
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He said billion there, not million, although the amt is mentioned correctly at other points in the speech.

He's so empty. And the Post has NO business cleaning up his mess! Here are links

video- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/politics/12...

corrected transcript- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33367-20...
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:19 PM
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131. no difference to him
he can run through a billion just as fast as he can a million.....

he couldn't tell you the difference, I bet.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:00 PM
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124. bush to increase taxes on middle class to pay 35 Million cost.n/t
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:09 PM
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128. I hope he does
I'm fucking livid about his utter lack of compassion, even though I am not at all surprised by it.

Act for Change has mounted an email campaign to urge BushCo to stop being such fucking assholes for one minute of their miserable lives and send some more money (okay, so they didn't word it that way but that was the gist).

Here's what I wrote (it probably won't do much in the way of convincing but I can't help it, I'm PISSED)...

Act for Change has an email campaign going to urge BushCo to not be such raging assholes for one fucking minute of their sorry lives (they didn't word it that way, but you get my drift).

Here's what I wrote in my email:

Mr. Bush,

You claim to be Christian, you claim to be compassionate, you claim to be inclusive, you claim to care about the less fortunate. It's time to put your money where your mouth is. Offer the relief needed to the victims of this tragedy. It will go a long way towards improving the tensions you've created with your reckless and illegal war and your insolent dismissal of world opinion. It will also help disprove the popular notion that you only "help" countries that have something to offer you or your friends (oil, for example).

Or is it going to be up to us dangerous, non-troop-supporting, America-hating, elitist LIBERALS to ONCE AGAIN shoulder the responsibility of caring for those who have nothing to offer in return? Of course we will help in any way we can, we just don't happen to have oil money or the Walton family's billions.

Please show the world that you have a shred, a molecule even, of decency. Please immediately increase the United States' aid pledge for tsunami relief. Lives depend upon it.

Sincerely,
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:23 PM
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137. excellent email....n/t
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:20 PM
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132. God the greatest "terrorist"?
but Bush has given up that hunt. He is not all that interested in seeking out the irrelevant Lord of the Universe while some of His work has been franchised out to atheists and agnostics.(This is meant as satire but will I earn one of my few deletes here?)

Actually, when it comes to natural disasters, it is the unnatural practice of mankind in not exercising prudence and intelligence to the environment that is a major culprit when one is aware of the workings of the very active crust we live on. And it is that wacky laziness and greed
and the pre-eminence of having fun in the short term that typifies Bush Providence. Fatalism works so long as someone else pays the piper.

It never is about the fear but about working together with all our hearts and minds to make life work day to day. Dramatic events teach us huge lessons about the ordinary. Those lessons are generally ignored in our crippled national structure.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:23 PM
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136. Look In The Mirror, George W. Bush. "They Hate Us" Because of You.
n/t
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:08 PM
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142. I don't know what all the fuss is about.
Nobody wants to hear that goon say anything anyways.
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Uroboros Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:30 PM
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143. With all the brush clearing he seems to do
Maybe it's time we all started refering to * as "President Brush". :)
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manly Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:29 PM
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145. whacking it to bush
You people have to give george a break once in a while. So he was a day or two late in jumping into the public arena. You must realize he was in the midst of finishing "My Pet Goat," apparently a book of some difficulty for one who doesn't read regularly. This takes time, folks. Then there were bush's questions(Who ARE these people? Can they vote? If we help them, what will the return on our investment be?)Nothing is as simple as it seems, except possibly george the stupid.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:52 PM
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146. He was probably in a drunken stuper and had to sober up to
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 02:55 PM by lonestarnot
mmmmmmmmmeet the press. Real Christian of him egh?
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 12:09 AM
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149. I think that Bush is secretly loving this situtaion....
It takes the worlds eyes off of Iraq and at the same time, in his mind, it brings Jesus that much closer to returning to earth. Bush's ultimate goal seems to be Armageddon anyway.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:18 PM
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151. Every attempt to remove the smirk has failed, doctors turn to Botox
to help bush through tsunami speech.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 02:12 AM
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152. Maybe, we can only hope, again. How many other times have we
thought the same? This will be the one......

And what was it they all had to say about Clinton? "Teflon"....

We have an administration literally littered with Iran - Contra indicted and convicted criminals, pardoned by Bush I back running this national disaster.

The Ukranians have shamed Americans. Why were we all not on the streets?

I found some pictures today that shocked me. I haven't decided whether to post a link or not. The US response to this unbelievable disaster, led by our "Commander in Chief", the "man of God", has shamed us in the world beyond my comprehension and "we" have let it happen.

"Democracy is not a spectator sport". Who said it?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 02:28 AM
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153. If Bush truly cared for the world's pain, he'd disassemble the Neocons.
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manly Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 05:05 AM
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155. CBS News and the tsunami
On New Year's Eve, at 11pm, CBS News led off its newscast with a story about the most pressing problem in the world, namely the crowds in Times Square and the fact that there was now less than an hour before the famous ball descended.
After a couple minutes of drivel on that fascinating subject, they moved on to the most terrible natural disaster of the century, at that time counting approximately 118,000 victims.
Clearly, some asshole at CBS has his priorities mixed up. He should be fired.
I wouldn't be surprised if NBC,ABC, and Fux did the same thing, but I don't know. Did anyone out there notice?
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