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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-06-13 02:53 AM
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Edited on Fri Sep-06-13 03:01 AM by No Elephants
In a Pew Research poll released Tuesday, just 29 percent of Americans favored airstrikes in response to reports that the Syrian government used chemical weapons, with a near-majority 48 percent opposed.

Wide majorities predicted negative consequences of a U.S. military intervention. Sixty-one percent said airstrikes were likely to lead to a long-term U.S. military commitment in Syria, and 74 percent said airstrikes would likely create a backlash against the U.S. and its allies in the region. Just 33 percent thought airstrikes would be an effective deterrent against the use of chemical weapons.


Only 32 percent said Obama had explained clearly why the U.S. should launch strikes. Back in March 2003, as the Iraq War started, 49 percent said that President George W. Bush had compellingly made his case for what was then at stake.

In a Washington Post/ABC poll, also released Tuesday, respondents were told more definitively that the United States says it has determined that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons in the civil war there. That survey found fewer Americans undecided: 36 percent supported airstrikes and 59 percent opposed them.


While no political group favored airstrikes against Syria, the GOP was somewhat more supportive. Thirty-five percent of Republicans backed airstrikes, compared to just 29 percent of Democrats.

The numbers shifted, however, when Obamas name was invoked. More than half of Democrats, but just 19 percent of Republicans, said the president has clearly explained why the U.S. should launch airstrikes against Syria.
Democrats were also more likely to say there is clear evidence that the Syrian government used chemical weapons against civilians, and that airstrikes would be effective in discouraging the use of such weapons. They were somewhat less likely than Republicans to fear that strikes would create backlash against the U.S. in the region, or lead to a longterm military commitment.

The above paragraph may as well be describing Pavlov's dogs hearing their dinner bell ring and illustrates why I have such contempt for bots of any stripe. The issues are bombing people, mission creep, human lives, ours and theirs, and the availablity of the US Treasury for domestic programs. Still, idolatry wins.

And notice what happened: The mere mention of Obama's name flipped Democrats from traditionally Democratic views to traditionally Republican views, giving the traditionally Republican view a majority.

I don't think anything I've posted in the last few years about Clinton, Obama, New Democrats, etc., illustrates what I think of New Democrats, including the Clintons and Obama, any better than that. They have not only taken the party to the right, they've assured that the nation goes right as well.

Of course, the above also illustrates how simply a pollster can control the outcome of a supposedly neutral poll, and in a way that no one would suspect, something else that I've been posting about for years. I should bookmark this post.

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