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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-13 04:27 AM
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12. Thanks femrap.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-13 04:44 AM by No Elephants
As you know, DLCers and New Democrats berate liberals as far too extreme, but describe themselves as "progressives" and their policies as "progressive."

And, Obama's campaign slogan "Forward" is right out of the dictionary definition of "progressive."

I cannot help but wonder how you reconcile things like that with your view that "progressive" is to the left of "liberal."

I also wonder if you have any external basis for that view or whether it is a kind of gut reaction?

I am not challenging. I am genuinely interested in trying to figure out how and why Democrats came to think that progressive means "well left of Obama."

ETA: I don't think being a liberal or being a progressive has anything to do with how much money one has, whether one is a have or a have not. Rather, both refer to one's political philosophy and leanings.

Matt Damon is clearly to Obama's left (as am I). Damon is very rich. (I'm not rich, but I did all right.)

Nelson Rockefeller was a liberal Republican. Dick Cheney is not. Nelson's name was synonymous with wealth annd Cheney has a much lesser, but tidy fortune. ]

Many conservatives are dirt poor; many liberals are rolling in dough. And certainly those who describe themselves today as "progressives" wealthy--Hillary Clinton I assume shares in the Clinton fortune, which was well over $110 million when she ran for office. Rahm is doing okay, too. i am pretty sure that some on message boards who describe themselves as "progressive" don't have a lot.

BTW, what do you make of the fact that the term "progressive" had faded from every day politicial speech for a long time, but resurfaced when the DLC resurrected it? Do you think the DLC resurrected the term and applied it to themselves with the intention that it mean almost the direct opposite of what it mean in TR's day?
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