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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 08:47 PM
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69. Now that's a convincing post. I didn't see all these angles, especially
the global warming deniers and the government default cheerleading, until you pointed them out.

I've been thinking mostly about the jobs problem, probably because it's affected so many engineers I know, myself included. My personal crusade for the last decade has been reforming corporate governance and compensation to bring it in line with the rest of the non-insane world. But the other points you raise are certainly areas in which progressives have lost the initiative.

Still, I can't help but wonder how easy it is to change peoples' minds. I've been posting in the 9/11 forum for five years and haven't changed a single mind. Maybe it's because my arguments suck, but I'm also inclined to believe that people stubbornly hang onto their beliefs out of a need to protect their narrative.

I further have to wonder how successful progressive voices can be, regardless of the medium. I say this because there is a vast difference in not only the content, but the style in which progressives deliver their message. The RW gods tell people things that they want to hear, like their country is fucked up because of taxes and brown-skinned people. That's a guilt-free message, because it's always someone else's fault. Progressives, on the other hand, tend to scold their audiences because in reality, sacrifice *is* needed. We do need to use less energy, drive more efficient cars, and help those less fortunate than ourselves, and make the rich pay their taxes. Now smart people aren't fooled by the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh, but let's not forget that 50% of the population is below average intelligence.

Anyway, good points and thanks for a well-crafted response.

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