Reply #32: Ummm ... no.

[JoePhilly]

1) What you can not have is a mandate with no subsidies. If you want pre-existing conditions covered, then you need everyone, including the currently healthy participating. If there were no subsidies, I'd agree with you. But the subsidies, and other exclusions, mitigate that aspect.

2) Your claim that premiums are driven by actual health care costs is also wrong. The premiums were driven by what was unlimited profit margins. Prior to HCR, insurers found that they could save money by losing customers while also raising rates well above actual costs. Once you throw out the old and the sick ... all that is left is healthy people, who you gouge.

3) Prior to the bill there were about 40 million without insurance. So that's at least 15 million who will now get it ... yet you call that a NET LOSS.

Sorry ... while I agree that we want more ... this is a good start. And once again ... far better than anything the GOP would do.