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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 10:20 PM
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15. Forgive my ignorance of Swedish politics. I am under the impression
that the Social Democratic Party has often been very influential in Sweden, that the party has some Marxian orientation, that the Association of Christian Social Democrats is organized as a wing of the Social Democratic Party, and that the Association of Christian Social Democrats is affiliated with the Socialist International, through the International League of Religious Socialists, which seems to be part of the Christian left

So it is not immediately clear to me exactly why one should identify this as a "right wing Christian political organization"

The Association of Christian Social Democrats has reported taken some anti-Israel stands, which have led to some charges of anti-semitism. Discourse about Israel is complicated by the fact that there are a certain number of anti-semites who disguise their anti-semitism as opposition to Israel; it is further complicated by the fact that a substantial number of idiots cannot distinguish coherently between (1) people whose religious or cultural background is Judaic, (2) people who are political or religious Zionists, and (3) people who are Israelis, of various political complexions; and it is complicated further by the fact that a few people will insist on portraying any opposition to Israeli policy as evidence of anti-semitism. There are, of course, plenty of actual anti-semitic bigots about, across the political spectrum

As far as I can tell, from what has been clearly reported, Ardin is a member of the Association of Christian Social Democrats, and some people have accused the Association of Christian Social Democrats of anti-semitism. If Ardin actually turned out to be an anti-semite, then perhaps one must just sadly recognize that there are some anti-semitic nitwits on our side of the political spectrum, and recognize further that we need to deal with them appropriately. But I don't actually know anything about Ardin or her personal politics: in particular, I do not know whether or not I would regard her as an anti-semite, based on her theories about the problems in the Middle East

I am concerned that the OP may be self-indulgently wandering into a land of fantasies, supported by cherry-picked facts: I like Assange; Ardin accuses Assange; therefore I do not like Ardin; Ardin appears to be a Christian; Ardin is associated with a group that someone has called anti-semitic; therefore I conclude "Ardin belongs to a right wing Christian political organization"

It is very sloppy. We can and must do better than that
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