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Reply #23: This is about content; it's nothing to do with information. [View All]

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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:44 PM
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23. This is about content; it's nothing to do with information.

I think you have this entirely backwards.

1. It leaves us without information unless it is filtered through the "OK Corral Police Incorporated"

I have no idea where you got this from, it's nothing to do with the real COICA. COICA deals with redistributing a piece of content (not information) without the owner's consent. So it won't prevent anyone from distributing any information - at worst it will require them to rewrite it in their own words.

2. Just like the DMCA it gives self proclaimed holders of copyright information the right to censor and control the message.

Copyright holders are not self-proclaimed; they're proclaimed by the law. You keep using the word "information", but it's nothing to do with the issue - information does not get copyrighted (I think data occasionally does, but only in a few highly specialised scientific circumstances that have nothing to do with websites). What gets copyrighted is content. If you publish a news story then there is absolutely nothing in either existing law or COICA that prevents me telling other people what you said, provided I make the effort to rephrase it in my own words, or I can just link to your website. So this has nothing whatseover to do with controlling access to news.

3. Have we forgotten about RIGHTHAVEN suing Democratic Underground and being defended by the EFF? That is exactly what this bill will aggravate.

This bill would have no effect whatsoever on this court case, because publishing copyrighted material is not central to DU's function.

4. When EFF talks - I listen. When Senators vote I listen with a grain of salt and a big dose of cynicism and look for self serving agendas.
5. VEHEMENTLY as well as noted founding members of the internet community oppose this bill on the basis that it is not in the people's interest.

I note that several of the senators voting for this - Franken and Feingold leap to mind - have fairly unambiguously progressive and ethical records. I know nothing about EFF, but I don't think argument by appeal to authority is a good way of making a case.

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