Reply #124: And you also go out of your way to ignore any accomplishment

[Chulanowa]

Or surreptitiously declare that it "doesn't count" for whatever reason. You claim that he "talks the talk" and ignore the walking that he does. or you say he needs to do more talking. There's simply no winning. You've decided to cast yourself in with the PUMAs and baggers, declare that no matter what, THAT ONE will never appeal to you, and are set to basically spent the next two decades punching yourself in the groin with a big fucking stupid smile on your face. All that ever exist for you are the flaws.

This is revealing. People such as yourself do not want an actual progressive in office. You want an idealized ur-Progressive, some flawless incarnation of every ideal you have, that can execute those ideals flawlessly. The hatred - and that is exactly what it is - that you and others display towards Obama would be displayed to any human being who managed to become president. Because there is no possible way for what you want to come to bear so long as heavily flawed wads of meat and connective tissue keep running the show.

For instance. You bring up the "Corporatist revolution." Look in the mirror, buddy. Maybe you are not personally responsible, but those who shared your mindset were. You see, folks like you figured Carter - ironically now some sort of progressive saint - was not "pure enough." You got out your little strips of litmus, and decided the blue wasn't deep enough. So you hauled ass to vote for Reagan. You did it again four years later, because frankly, you're all rather dumb and fall easy prey to Right-wing memes and propaganda.

Dislike the war in Afghanistan? Thanks again. Thanks to folks like yourself - very probably you yourself - deciding that Gore and Bush were "the same" many "liberals" sat home that November, or went to vote for Nader, who would elicit "real change" (Presumably by not being elected?) So thanks for that, guys. Once again, your little litmus strips decided that fucking over the entire country over your ideas of purity would be the best thing to do. You did the same thing to Kerry in 2004, when you went "Well, he's just not progressive enough!" You wring your hands about civil rights, but frankly if it had been in the hands of Progressives, we would have had Nixon in 1960 and again in 1964.

So, you tell me. When you sit at home, or vote Republican to "teach the dems a lesson" do you think they'll fix any of the problems you listed? Do you care? probably not. Because despite your claims, "not giving a fuck" is pretty much the prime indicator of a modern "progressive"

If we hand Afghanistan back to the Taliban, how many Afghans will die? Progressives don't care - in fact there was a whole thread full of you guys, declaring just how much of a fuck you did not give about that question. All that was important was scoring political points and being able to pat your own backs and claim to have been "right." Which is the same reason you supported the war all the way up to 12:00 PM EST on January 20, 2009. Because Bush was mishandling it and you wanted to snatch some political points.

How many people are without health insurance? Progressives don't give a fuck. They'll oppose any plan with all the savagery and ignorance of a pack of teabaggers, unless it's exactly what they want. Again, the egoism shows. it's not about what's best for people; It's about what makes you feel important and special.

I'm not someone who pretends things are perfect. But more importantly, I'm not someone who demands everything be perfect or I'll throw the country to the Republicans in a fit of pique. YOU ARE.

There's something to be said about being sensible. But there's no merit to being senseless.