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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:29 PM
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143. I beg your pardon, was I talking to you?
Edited on Sat May-22-10 02:44 PM by Confusious
I haven't given you all my reasons. I came to the conclusion, after an attempt, that no matter what I said, it would be dismissed as racism.Do you spend your time banging your head against a wall? I don't.

You can also say " Go ahead and list your points", but people don't change their spots that quick. If you're unwilling to listen and dismissed me that easily yesterday, you're just as unwilling today.

Claiming that people are merely accusing you of being "a red-neck DINO racist" - as though you were somehow being treated unfairly and being persecuted - is a disingenuous way to deflect people's attention and make a mess of the discussion. That is a trick perfected by the right wing hate radio jocks - anytime racism gets discussed at all they play all hurt and innocent and offended - "how dare you call me a racist!" - or accuse the other person of "playing the race card" and that effectively shuts down any discussion and gives them complete freedom to spout whatever they like without being challenged on it.

I was pointing out the person said they cared about the reasons for supporting the law, and then in the next breath already knew "racism" was the reason for it, so why even ask the question? I didn't claim or even say that they were playing the race card. I probably should have posted the sarcasm tag along with "red-neck DINO racist", but I was in a hurry.

Point A in that your mind is already made up, no matter what, and you're just looking for things to confirm your view.

I said that whether or not a person "is" a racist, that supporting the bill in Arizona was supporting racism. I can defend and support that statement to the satisfaction of all decent and fair-minded observers.

Of course, I have never said whether or not I agree with the law. I just pointed out people's flaws in their view of the language of the law. You automaticly assume I support it because I corrected people about it.

It would be the same as if I pointed out the flaws in people's view of what the NAZI's believe, and you taking that and claiming I was one. Very logical don't you think?

Point B in that your mind is already made up, no matter what, and you're just looking for things to confirm your view.

You have not, and I believe cannot, come up with a response to that consistent with being a Democrat, liberal or progressive that is not an overt expression of racism, or that is not clearly illogical.

No, not to you satisfaction, which I believe I will never be able to do. I don't believe in open borders, nor do I believe that people here illegally should be allowed to stay or work. Anything less then that is going to be racism in your eyes.

I don't think a lot of people could live up to your standard. I get the feeling if someone said "I hate Humus" you would twist it into something like " They hate the food, therefore they hate middle easterners, and since they are brown, they hate all brown people, therefore a racist." It's not very logical, and it is the exact same thing as thinking that because I don't like illegal immigrants, I don't like ALL immigrants, and therefore a racist.

Point C in that your mind is already made up, no matter what, and you're just looking for things to confirm your view.

As far as calling me illogical, this from someone who called the supply and demand curve an invention of Allen Greenspan. I don't have a lot of faith in your abilities at logic.

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