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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:15 AM
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122. I have to piss in your wheaties, and I'm not sorry.
Every time I see one of these posts on DU I think it's just as bad of us to generalize and demonize in the name of venting as it is for assholes on the other side to rub it in our faces.

Success comes in degrees, and yes, for 99.9 percent of people who view themselves as "successful", whether they are comfortable, millionaires or billionaires, ask and they will tell you, and believe, that they've earned it or otherwise have a right to it.

The world is not a community. Money is not the same thing as leveling access to resources, such as food, shelter and healthcare.

There are complete entitled assholes who have money, no denying it, but to paint everyone who looks at themselves as successful (and by implication, other people as less successful, or as you put it "losers") is dishonest. We always assume that everyone would end up in the same place with money given the same opportunities, but that is just flat out a bad assumption.

There are ugly poor people who make just as ugly rich people, which just informs me that ugliness has more to do with personal character than with the abundance or lack of money. If we're worrying about babies starving in Africa, much less our inner cities and demonizing people who accumulate wealth as bad world citizens, you forget that just redistributing wealth and even just opportunity still won't solve any of the causes of people starving in Africa, or in the inner cities.

I do agree with you that people who engage the political system to preserve their wealth at the expense of preserving America are horrible people. But when you punish THOSE people, you cast a very wide net based only on some idea of income, and not who you voted for or why. Yes, wealthy don't pay taxes proportionate to their net worth, but net effective tax means that they almost always do pay scale for their "simple income", and pay less for investments and holdings. If you had to clear 40% of your invested income every year, you'd have to sell a bunch of your holdings to do so, and those companies faced with giant sell-offs every year would be forced to do giant layoffs. So the government typically taxes less for capital gains than for regular income and if you add the two together you end up with what appears to be an unfair net effective tax.

I do believe in paying fair taxes. I do not believe in paying punitive taxes because people believe the world is inherently unfair and want to take it out on a particular group of people.
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