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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:24 AM
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13. The Second Biggest Lie
Some people -- cough, journalists -- have a difficult time connecting the dots or anything else, for that matter.


by Michael Morrissey

The biggest lie of our time, after the Warren Report, is the notion that Johnson
merely continued or expanded Kennedy's policy in Vietnam after the

1. JFK's policy

In late 1962, Kennedy was still fully committed to supporting the Diem regime,
though he had some doubts even then. When Senator Mike Mansfield advised
withdrawal at that early date:
    The President was too disturbed by the Senator's unexpected argument to reply to
    it. He said to me later when we talked about the discussion, "I got angry with
    Mike for disagreeing with our policy so completely, and I got angry with myself
    because I found myself agreeing with him (Kenneth O'Donnell and Dave Powers,
    Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye, Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1970, p. 15).
By the spring of 1963, Kennedy had reversed course completely and agreed with
    "The President told Mansfield that he had been having serious second thoughts
    about Mansfield's argument and that he now agreed with the Senator's thinking on
    the need for a complete military withdrawal from Vietnam.

    'But I can't do it until 1965--after I'm reelected,' Kennedy told Mansfield....

    After Mansfield left the office, the President said to me, 'In 1965 I'll become
    one of the most unpopular Presidents in history. I'll be damned everywhere as a
    Communist appeaser. But I don't care. If I tried to pull out completely now from
    Vietnam, we would have another Joe McCarthy red scare on our hands, but I can do
    it after I'm reelected. So we had better make damned sure that I am reelected'
    (O'Donnell, p. 16)."
Sometime after that Kennedy told O'Donnell again that
    "...he had made up his mind that after his reelection he would take the risk of
    unpopularity and make a complete withdrawal of American military forces from
    Vietnam. He had decided that our military involvement in Vietnam's civil war
    would only grow steadily bigger and more costly without making a dent in the
    larger political problem of Communist expansion in Southeast Asia" (p. 13).
Just before he was killed he repeated this commitment:

    "'They keep telling me to send combat units over there,' the President said to
    us one day in October (1963). 'That means sending draftees, along with volunteer
    regular Army advisers, into Vietnam. I'll never send draftees over there to
    fight'." (O'Donnell, p. 383).


You have no problem connecting the dots, or jumping through hoops, to get to the truth, OnyxCollie. Thank you!
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