Reply #4: That's kind of funny

[rpannier]

One speaker said he could trace his ancestors back to the Mayflower and said “they did not arrive holding their hands out for help.”

I recall from history when they were starving they had their hands out pretty open begging for help from the Natives.
Later on many of those Mayflowerites killed those helping Natives.

On a personal note: I can trace a small branch of my family tree back to those very natives that helped the Mayflowerites.
I retrospect...I do wish they let them starve and die