Reply #15: Yeah well that's nice but those aircraft are still obsolete and China and Iran and most of the G20

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have the financial ability to buy advanced aircraft from Russia which can outclass our 35 and 40 year old aircraft designs.

The Iranians found this out the hard way in the 1980's when their 1950's design vintage F4's got shot down by 1970's design vintage F15's and the Syrians learned this same lesson when their 1950's and 1960's design vintage Mig's got shot down by F15's.

Now it's the F15 that is old and out of date.

Doug D.