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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:06 AM
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SICKO - breakfast with republics
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Saturday afternoon we watched SICKO. At first my partner rolled her eyes and sighed "not another political movie..." Within 10 minutes she was glued to it. By the time the movie ended, she said she's going to start researching immigration/jobs/housing etc in Canada.

She called her cousin in CA - told her to go out and rent SICKO. She went on line and ordered a copy of SICKO to send to her brother (brother has been through the ringer with a medical problem for the past 4 years). We gave it to our neighbor to watch.

yesterday, the local volunteer fire department had their monthly fund-raising breakfast. We met up with our neighbor and went there for breakfast. Over breakfast we talked about SICKO.

A guy sitting at the other end of the table started with the standard republic kook-aid rhetoric. "Can't pick your own doctor....bureacrats managing your health...socialized medicine...doctors would get out of medicine...yadda yadda yadda"

I started asking him a few questions - his answers are in bold

Who pays for your health insurance now? "employer, with an employee co-pay"

If for what ever reason you no longer have a job, would the employer continue to provide health insurance? "no"

What would you do, could you afford health insurance for yourself and family? "uhh..uhhh..."

Any medical problems that would be considered pre-existing? High blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes? "Yeah, but.."

Assuming you could afford an individual plan - you would be denied coverage because of those pre-existing conditions. In a Universal healthcare type coverage - you would still have health coverage. Now about picking your own doctor - let's say you want Dr. Jones, but Dr. Jones is not within your current healthplan's network - can you still go to Dr. Jones without paying 'out of network' fees or needing a referral or pre-approval? "no"

then you really can't pick your own doctor can you? With Universal healthcare, all doctors are included. Now, let's say you have a particular medical problem, your doctor wants to send you to a specialist or for a special test - either you or your doctor has to contact the insurance company for pre-approval and it could be denied because either they won't cover the cost of the test or because the particular specialist is not 'in-network'. So you still can't PICK YOUR OWN DOCTOR.

he snorts the quality of healthcare will go down - me: the united states is ranked 37th in the world, just above Slovania in terms of healthcare services for it's citizens.

there won't be any doctors, they'll stop practicing because they can't make any money - me: well, let me ask you this do you want to be treated by a doctor whose motivation for being a doctor is to make money, or to provide the best he/she can in keeping you healthy? right now, they get bonuses from insurance companies by NOT recommending certain treatments/drugs/procedures - or on the flipside get bonuses from drug companies by prescribing stuff you don't need. Don't know about you, but when I see a doctor I would want to see one that is concerned about the health of his/her patients, not one that is concerned about the health of his/her bank account.

I don't want some bureaucrat making my medical decisions me: who makes them now? some bureaucrat at the insurance company - they decide which doctors you can or cannot see, which procedures you can or cannot have, which medications you can or cannot have, which medical conditions they will cover or not cover. these bureaucrats at the insurance companies get bonuses and promotions by DENYING YOU SERVICES or COVERAGE, and they come out and tell you their first responsibility and obligation is to the STOCKHOLDERS. Our healthcare system is based on concern for profits, not people.


I may not have changed his mind, but I did see alot of people around us nodding their heads. I did tell the guy to go rent/buy SICKO, watch it, do some research on his own and then make up his own mind.

As we were leaving, one woman came up to us, asked for the name of the movie again, said she wanted to watch it, then told us how her husband lost his job a could of years back and they had no health insurance until he found another job, she was scared out of her wits that during the interim time that she, her husband or kids would need medical attention and how would they pay for it.

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