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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 07:34 PM
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63. Thank you -- Yes, the cruel things that some of our troops do to the inhabitants of other countries
That is a very neglected issue, probably largely because it would put a big damper on the war effort and set up an even bigger clamor to end the war if there was much discussion about it. Here's a post a did on that subject recently:

And here's a blog from "An unknown Iraqi girl" about the U.S. presence in her country:

People are seething with anger Every newspaper you pick up in Baghdad has pictures of some American or British atrocity or another. It's like a nightmare that has come to life. Everyone knew this was happening in Abu Ghraib and other places American and British politicians have the audacity to come on television with words like, "True the people in Abu Ghraib are criminals, but" Everyone here in Iraq knows that there are thousands of innocent people detained In the New Iraq, it's "guilty until proven innocent

There was a time when people here felt sorry for the troops That time has passed We burn with shame and anger and frustration at not being able to do something. Now that the world knows that the torture has been going on since the very beginning, do people finally understand what happened in Fallujah?

And through all this, Bush gives his repulsive speeches. He makes an appearance on Arabic TV channels looking sheepish and attempting to look sincere, babbling on about how this 'incident' wasn't representative of the American people or even the army, regardless of the fact that it's been going on for so long But when the bodies were dragged through the streets of Fallujah, the American troops took it upon themselves to punish the whole city Bush Your credibility was gone the moment you stepped into Iraq and couldn't find the WMD....

So are the atrocities being committed in Abu Ghraib really not characteristic of the American army? What about the atrocities committed by Americans in Guantanamo? And Afghanistan? It seems that torture and humiliation are common techniques used in countries blessed with the American presence

We heard stories since the very beginning of the occupation about prisoners being made to sit for several hours on their knees being deprived of sleep for days at a time by being splashed with cold water or kicked or slapped about the rape, the degradations, the emotional and physical torture and there were moments when I actually wanted to believe that what we heard was exaggerated. I realize now that it was only a small fragment of the truth.

Why is no one condemning this? I don't understand the 'shock' Americans claim to feel at the lurid pictures. You've seen the troops break down doors and terrify women and children curse, scream, push, pull and throw people to the ground with a boot over their head. You've seen troops shoot civilians in cold blood. You've seen them bomb cities and towns. You've seen them burn cars and humans using tanks and helicopters. Is this latest debacle so very shocking or appalling?

The Americans and British are saying that they are 'insurgents' but people from Najaf are claiming that innocent civilians are being killed on a daily basis.

I sometimes get emails asking me to propose solutions or make suggestions. Fine. Today's lesson: don't rape, don't torture, don't kill and get out while you can while it still looks like you have a choice... Chaos? Civil war? Bloodshed? Well take our chances just take your Puppets, your tanks, your smart weapons, your dumb politicians, your lies, your empty promises, your rapists, your sadistic torturers and go.

More Americans need to hear about this kind of stuff.
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