Reply #7: That's an interesting example

[mogster]

I wonder sometimes if the whole torture-doc publishing has Cheney's prints on it

In one corner, Valerie Plame Wilson & co and in the other Porter Goss.
At the same time as the torture scandal broke (or actually right before it broke), the Wilsons and many more CIA-related people were trying to lambast Rove-Cheney because of the NIE, which proved that Iran's nuclear ambitions was a sham. Plame Wilson had just revealed she worked on the Iran issue. And it meant something, they were willing to go to prison to get the NIE published.

Any official personell operating undercover studies the Plame case with most interest, I think, as it really represents a be or not to be for anybody who takes their job seriously and still has not turned into crooks. If your carefully built network of people can be taken down by a mere political whim, without warning to at least give people in dangerous positions a chance to escape, it will make it difficult to recruit new people for dangerous positions.

I find it hard to believe that these two events is not related; one that portrays the CIA and their work in a positive way--but harms Bush/Cheney/Rove---and then the torture scandal, which reminds us about the real CIA, NWO version.

In fact we're seeing another ambiguity here; the two sides of the CIA. Or the whole intelligence community.

It is interesting to note the role of Valerie Plame Wilson as an agent; she worked through a store front, Brewster and Jennings, on the Iran program, collecting information. She is a beautiful woman with a handsome husband, they're the perfect agent couple. This is the old George Smiley version of secret agents, if you've read any Le Carré. On the other hand, we have the torture-secret prison CIA represented by the revealed tapes. The black ops, which operates outside any law, any human dignity. The back alley brutes. This is the modern CIA today, or at least where it's going under Bush, there's no way of knowing. But at least we can say that the CIA the Bush govt. wants to show to the world is the ugly version, no limitations.