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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:22 PM
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17. marriage fell out of fashion for a while there
and came back with a Big Business vengeance with the White Wedding in the Reagan Greed-Is-Good Era.

"...the pious conservatives who tout its supposed "sanctity" have no understanding of marriage's roots in simple economic expedience in an era even more egregiously male-dominated than our own."

The connection I drew is that this era is still "egregiously male-dominated" and the male/female marriage structure supports that. So if gay rights advocates can sidestep that reality and push through with a "it's so simple" approach, more power to 'em. The OP asks how gay/lesbian rights effect women's rights and vice versa.

"Having said that, the reality of the current situation is that marriage ensures legal protections and rights completely unavailable to the gay and lesbian community. So their demand for those equal rights and protections is completely reasonable, and shouldn't be a topic of debate in a nominally civilized society. How we reach a point where our society is really advanced enough to accept this, I don't know."

It may be necessary in this "nominally civilized society" to fight for gender rights for gays, lesbians and women all together. Or in different steps.

"I don't know about putting issues on a sliding scale. I know I have issues that I personally think are paramount right now, but I doubt if some of those would be as urgent for other people as they are for me. The issues that are ultimately important on a party - read, communal - level should be reached by consensus among us all, and should not be dictated from the top down by the likes of Bob Shrum and MaryBeth Cahill."

My list was "no particular order" and IMHO. It would seem we have an automatic communal level where it concerns fundamental structures of our government like the Constitution, the Congress, elections and media. All else flows from there.

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