Reply #12: I would take it one step further. It's not enough that anyone who

[Wisconsin Larry]

votes for torture be removed from office. But anyone who does not stand up in front of this train and shout it down should be shamed. I've posted elsewhere that the absence of Democratic opposition to this bill is abhorrent. Where's the strong statements of opposition, the filibuster? Why the silence as the faux Republican opposition carried on only to collapse? And if it's political that's idiotic too as Glenn Greenwald points out in salon.com war room.

"Beltway Democrats and many of their supporters seem incapable of understanding that their central flaw has not been that they are "too liberal" on national security, but that they are perceived as standing for nothing. They appear weak and unprincipled not when it comes to standing up to the terrorists, but when it comes to standing up to the president for what they actually believe. Support for the torture bill is unconscionable; that ought to go without saying. But it is also politically self-destructive, because it depresses their base (who wants to vote for a party that supports the president's torture bill?) and inflames the perception that they are unwilling to fight for their convictions unless doing so is politically expedient." -- Glenn Greenwald http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html scroll down for it