Reply #147: In response

[Kelvin Mace]

I Googled and saw the blog-bombing that was done here against Bev Harris. I read it all, including the thread about the Bev Harris story for newbies etc. etc. etc.

"Blog bombing"? So you are buying into the Bev talking point that this is a "deliberate" campaign against her? Hmmmm...

You asked why I decided Bev Harris was more credible than this. It's because I was so damn bored one day that I compared the body of work at each site and also the body of work at the blackboxvoting.com site with the blackboxvoting.org site. Based on the body of work published in each location I chose the one that is most credible. Also, based on the body of work published by you Kelvin Mace and the body of work published by Bev Harris, she wins hands down.

Hmmm.... Considering that her body of work is mostly stuff she took from other people, I guess you're right. You can't have spent much time on my site, because if you did you wouldn't keep referring to me as Kelvin Mace. This would reenforce another Bev talking pointabout people "hiding behind" pseudonyms and attacking her.

So, I just donated $100 to BlackBoxVoting.org in honor of Kelvin Mace. Each time I see you post I am going to donate again.

Be my guest.

Kelvin Mace, you posted about an experience in North Carolina helping at the polls. Outside of that I sure can't find much that you've ever written except to slap your little group of friends on the back and attack Bev Harris.

Really? Well, then let me compliment you on having research skills as thorough as your hero, Bev Harris. If you had done any real research using my real name, you wouldn't make such statements. And no, I won't do it for you. I am damned tired of having to prove my bona fides to folks like you.

What I see going on here is a classic military propaganda tactic. The victimizer plays the victim.

Bev? Is that you? It sounds like her. She is always playing the victim. She also always projects her own actions on others. Seh also loves to make false accusations. Like yesterday when you accused me of "stalking your posts" when I had answered ONE of your posts, quite civilly I might add. Why did you make that false allegation?

I see in this thread that Kelvin Mace (who has followed things very closely) fails to correct information against Bev Harris when he has previously learned it is incorrect. Sometimes he repeats information he knows to be false again.

And what information is that?

Yet you are not correcting anyone when they post information you know to be false, which perpetuates another smear. If you are so afraid of being smeared yourself why do you participate in these activities?

Again, what information is false?

If Kelvin Mace knows things to be false yet he repeats it anyway and at the same time claims he's a victim, from my vantage point there is no question about it, Kelvin Mace is the victimizer, not the victim.

This seems familiar. You know a particular tactic of Bev's was to repeat the same thing over and over again in a post. She seemed to believe that repetition made things true.

Do you ever admit your mistakes, and if so, if the upcoming article you are so convinced is going to name you or your other friend in North Carolina names someone completely different, are you going to admit you erred?

I never said I was convinced of anything. This is REALLY beginning to sound like Bev. She is famous for deliberately distorting something that was said, then heaping abuse upon the twisted interpretation.

The point of my post was that Bev was going to smear someone in NC. It is certainly not outside the realm of possibility that it could be myself or Joyce McCloy. It could also be some other poor sod who Bev has now fixated on.

What is interesting is that Diebold no longer sells voting machines to the state and has fired their only lobbyist. The concept that anyone is working to discredit Bev is a paranoid fantasy or a money-making ploy. Bev discredits herself every time she opens her mouth. And every time we call her on it over here, we can be sure that suddenly some person who just joined DU a week or two ago will rise to her defense with the same discredited arguments.

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com