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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:14 PM
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5. Two kinds of atheism:
1. Belief in the non-existence of god.
2. Non-belief in the existence of god.

I'm a type-2. I do NOT believe god exists, and I do NOT believe that god does not exist. One thing that makes the question undecidable is that every religion and sect defines god differently. How can you argue for the existence or non-existence of something that is not even unambiguously defined?

(I mean, what if "God" exists, and he thinks he's the creator of the universe, but He's deluded, (or at least mistaken) about that. So if that were the case, given that hypothetical scenario, does "God" exist or not? If by "God" you mean the creator, then no, He does not exist. But if by God you include some disembodied non-human intelligence that mistakenly believes itself to be the creator, then in that hypothetical scenario, yes, that kind of "entity" exists, although Capt. Kirk and Mr. Spock might call it an "alien intelligence" rather than a "god".)

That makes the whole discussion of gods and goddesses not only ridiculous, but meaningless. Which, by the way, makes it equally stupid to say "God exists" as to say "God does not exist." Both are unsupportable claims based only upon faith that the claim is true, and based solely upon how one defines the word "god".

I could, for example, define "god" as "A shared spirit of love and compassion." By that definition what I call "god" certainly does exist. But does "god" the way anybody else defines the word exist? Well, what's your definition? It has to start with an agreed upon definition and there is none. So discussing the existence of "god" without a common definition of "god" is utterly foolish.

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