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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:01 AM
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4. I think you need to read more about this.
Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 01:04 AM by Bill Bored
Sorry but I just don't think you've spent enough time educating yourself, or else you're being deliberately obtuse.

The only "recounts" in NY other than the 3% spot checks are recounts of absentee ballots. The courts have denied requests for hand counts of precinct-counted paper ballots, even in the closest and most crucial elections. These ballots account for about 95% of the vote. If the courts say a candidate should just take office, that's the end of the game.

Members of the public may NOT recount ballots. They may witness a "recanvass" but this is NOT a recount.

If the Brennan Center couldn't get hold of the ballots, I doubt anyone else could. They got lawyers. Most of us do not. Those of us who do, such as candidates, can't even get their ballots recounted. What makes you think anyone else can?

If we aren't going to recount enough paper ballots by hand to see who won our elections, we would be much better off without computerized voting systems. They are too easy to maliciously exploit and they make unpredictable errors that cannot be detected without hand counts.

Some may think it's OK to recount using an "independent" computer system. I'm not going to split that hair in this thread because the requirements of such a system are too complex to discuss here.

You should at least read the Brennan Center report to see what their complaint is. Voters should not HAVE to decide whether to cast an overvoted ballot by pressing a green button or a red one. The ballot should be returned to the voter first and the warning message should tell the voter that their vote(s) will NOT be counted for the overvoted contest(s) if they cast the ballot. As you've said, NY's scanners do NOT automatically return the ballot to the voter. The overvote error message generated by NY's scanners is a violation of HAVA if it's used in a federal election.

So we have a voting system that does not even comply with federal law, much less the constitutional rights of voters.
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