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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:58 AM
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15. for what it's worth...
You seem to be arguing that the exit polls, which are sponsored by major media, are accurate, but other polls -- some sponsored by major media, some not -- are rigged. That argument seems hard to win, and I don't think it is true.

Whether you believe that 51% of voters in 2004 voted for W., or only 48% as the 'raw' exit polls indicate, either way that's a lot of people. It doesn't seem to me as if one way, Americans are "SO STUPID," and the other way, they aren't. Any way you slice it, Democrats and Republicans are pretty evenly matched. And the swing voters tend to be the people who pay the least attention to politics. I wouldn't call that "stupid"; I think we all sometimes wish that we could stop paying attention to politics.

This post by EarlG, explaining why TruthIsAll was banned, might shed some light on some possible sources of antagonism. But I think it's more interesting to consider what has happened in the almost six years since then. TIA has come back several times and been banned again; he has gotten some other DUers to post his writing; but it is really unusual for anyone to defend TIA's specific arguments in their own words. Consider: if I understand correctly, you are saying (more or less) that you think TIA's conclusions make sense because they dovetail with your beliefs about the American people, but you don't feel knowledgeable enough to explain his arguments plausibly to media people. That's how it generally goes with TIA. Very few people who agree with his conclusions feel knowledgeable enough to explain his arguments -- and by "very few," I really mean that I can't think of any in years. That is not a good sign. Lots of people (not on DU, of course!) will try to talk you into Young Earth Creationism. Granted, TIA doesn't have a major religious sect behind him, but still, where are the people who are willing to try to explain why he is right?

I'm happy to explain at any length why I think he is wrong, as I have in the past. But it's hard to rebut arguments that no one is actually interested in, which is how it seems to go.

If someone comes up with some new and persuasive evidence that voting machines have been rigged, that would be a great news story. In the meantime, there are lots of voting machine stories that deserve more attention than they have gotten.
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