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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-10 07:10 PM
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56. NJ's audit is the only one with a large chance of finding and correcting serious miscounts in all
Edited on Mon Aug-23-10 07:23 PM by Bill Bored
Federal and State elections in a state, including all elections for members of the State Legislature -- not just statewide elections.

It is instructive to point out that the reason there was an audit bill in NJ was because of a lawsuit that resulted in a court decision to require VVPATs or VVPBs and audits. The legislature and governor enacted the audit law, but then they allowed the paper requirement to become hopelessly delayed by changing the deadline for compliance in the VV-paper law.

An appeal will likely be filed, but the lawsuit has been in the courts for YEARS with some of the best experts in the country from Princeton testifying in favor of the verification requirements (and demonstrating how to hack the machines too).

So even though NJ has a serious audit law, not only is it unenforceable, but without litigation, it would not have existed and is not likely to become enforceable in the future.

What this means for election integrity advocates is:

1. We probably won't get anywhere without a lawsuit (including lawyers willing to bring it on behalf of voters).
2. Even if we win in the courts, there are tactics that can be used to delay the changes for years.
3. Despite the help of dedicated lawyers and academics working for free, as well as organized lobbying at the state level, and some legislators who are willing to do the right thing, the chances of the NJ audit law, or anything close to it, being implemented or repeated elsewhere are slim to none.

When we talk about groups like Verified Voting, etc. we have a situation where some folks are trying to fight the good fight against what appear to be overwhelming odds. It's no wonder they may sometimes try to paint a rosier picture than what actually exists. The question is what to do about it. Being apologists for the status quo doesn't seem like much of an answer to me -- UNLESS the status quo is a non-computerized voting system!
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