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Reply #120: Ah, but most Dems in Congress voted FOR HAVA! They considered themselves to be reformers! [View All]

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:46 PM
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120. Ah, but most Dems in Congress voted FOR HAVA! They considered themselves to be reformers!
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 09:00 PM by Bill Bored
And what about Max Cleland's race in 2002? I suppose there may have been some polls involved in that one, and even a poll is better than paperless, hackable, unverifiable DREs -- but not much better.

Computer scientists and activists have been warning against e-vote counting for decades. They didn't need a poll to suggest that we wouldn't know who won or who lost. You guys are Johnnies-come-lately with your polls! The best evidence of uncertain winners of elections has always been the non-transparent voting systems themselves.

There's plenty of paper in most states now, but it's counted by DRE software masquerading as ballot scanner software and no one wants to recount enough of the paper by hand to see who won.

Your application of exit polling to lever elections in NY, which are pretty much unhackable, is misplaced, and it undermines whatever credibility the polls may have had in other states where they have no way to know who won their elections. If the polls were so far off in NY where the vote switching wasn't possible, then why would anyone believe they were right anywhere else?

You would have been better off staying out of the Empire State. We don't count votes with computers here, and hence could not steal a statewide election unless it's practically a tie, and could not pad the popular vote for the same reason.

In short, you're really shooting yourself in the foot to suggest that exit polls are more accurate than lever machines!
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