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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 09:19 PM
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9. I am ambivalent about the Holt Bill, but feel that the levers should be allowed
Now back in 2003 and 2004 I would not have said that, but the more we learn about the
currently available voting systems, I believe that New York is far better off
with what they have.

True, with levers, there is no permanent paper ballot record of the vote.

But with levers, there is a sharply limited risk to ballots -
each machine counts 999 votes period, so problems or fraud is limited to the number of votes
that can be affected.

Today's machines, even optical scan - still are using software to do the count,
and with optical scan, the paper isn't counted that often.
Some paper may be counted in audits, and some or all paper ballots - could - be counted
IF the state has good recount laws.

But the fact is, we really need to work hard to get accurate counts on election day,
because often the problems aren't detected, the fraud isn't caught, the recount isn't requested,
and the outcome is announced on election night.

Its incredibly hard to overturn an improper election results, ESPECIALLY if it is fraudulent,
as in the case of a coup.

*Also it is important to acknowledge that New York has a very low undervote rate for president,
which is a positive sign and also something that DREs cannot boast.
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