You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login

Reply #19: There is no hidden agenda against IRV [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU
VerifiedVoter Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. There is no hidden agenda against IRV
But if you study the claims made for IRV, you will see that few if any ever come true.

In two of the three IRV contests you had a winner declared with:

1) only two candidates left standing AND

2) all the other ballots were exhausted AND

3) the threshold had not yet been crossed.

Know how they did it? Instead of holding a traditional runoff election because they had no clear winner, it appears as though they took a look at the subsequent rankings for the ballots belonging to the second place finisher at that point, and saw if there were any votes for the first place finisher - then added just enough votes to cross the threshold.

If you take votes from the second-highest vote getter finisher and give them to the top vote getter, you need to be able to see if there were any votes cast for the second-highest vote getter in subsequent rounds on the top-vote getter's original ballots - and allocate them in the same round.

That did not happen in Aspen. All candidates need to be treated the same in a round - otherwise you are merely manufacturing a preferential majority using ENRON vote counting techniques!

There does seem to be some sort of hidden agenda with the IRV folks - they are pushing for Proportional Representation as the end and IRV is the means to that end. Richie and Hill even put that down in print!

Chris Telesca
Wake County Verified Voting
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC