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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 03:01 PM
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50. Oh, and BTW, you're wrong about this too:
Edited on Mon Mar-02-09 03:06 PM by Bill Bored
You say that this is ambiguous:

"at least one direct recording electronic voting system or other voting system equipped for individuals with disabilities at each polling place."

...because: "How can one direct recording electronic 'voting system' in each polling place mean the 301(b) sense of 'voting system?' For example, the 301(b) definition includes any component of the voting system used to 'define ballots.' But for a DRE used in a polling place, the ballot has been defined by the election management system."

The answer to your question is very simple: :think:
There is no law that precludes the use of a stand-alone "voting system" with a LOCAL election management system in each polling place, is there? If so, then cite it! You can't because it doesn't exist -- but then maybe you're just not used to reading legislation! ;-)

Also, you very conveniently ignore the rest the sentence which says "...or other voting system equipped for individuals with disabilities at each polling place."

That part means you can have an accessible ballot marker instead of a DRE, or a voting system with a central EMS, or a voting system that uses a VotePAD for accessibility, or a voting system that uses a telephone-based audio system, or a LEVER voting system modified to meet the accessibility requirements!

"I think the bottom line is that the drafters of HAVA screwed up, and we don't know what the heck 'voting system' means in the context of the paper-record requirement in 301(a)(2). It could mean individual devices or the whole shebang of equipment, documentation, and practices."

No, it means the whole voting "system" -- as defined in the statute! But nothing in the statute says an entire voting system can't be contained in a polling place if someone builds it that way. In fact, some in NY even claim that we will have "stand-alone" voting machines or systems. Unfortunately, this is ]BUNK because there will be EMSs used to define ballots and elections for multiple devices (hundreds or thousands at a time!) and that, by definition, means the voting devices are NOT "stand alone."

And that, my friend, is why e-vote counting is so frickin' dangerous -- and many in NY are still clueless about that, esp. some of the election lawyers and legislators who are trying to regulate the use of a technology they know absolutely nothing about! Get it?

But as to your HAVA interpretation, you are stretching this even further than the discredited EAC has. I'd be interested in knowing WHY. What's your agenda? Who do you work for? What's your SOLUTION to the Election Verification PROBLEM? (You do realize it's a PROBLEM, don't you?)
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